#indiewebcamp 2013-08-27

2013-08-27 UTC
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aaronpk don't think so: http://crunchbase.com/company/branch
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tantek isn't branch another obvious fork?
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tantek spinoff
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tantek http://branch.com/company
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aaronpk obviously
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tantek "We are backed by Evan Williams, Biz Stone, and Jason Goldman’s Obvious Corp…."
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tantek aaronpk LOL: http://branch.com/b/next-gen-web-services
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tantek and thank you KevinMarks: http://xkcd.com/1254/
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tantek (ht his tweet)
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tantek did you DM me? should've used IndieWeb Messaging.
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tantek ;)
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tantek bret, aaronpk, one thing we can do is to create a page for each buzzwordy term that people use in discussions, define it, provide indieweb perspectives, and then add FAQs related to that term as needd
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tantek s/needd/needed
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Loqi tantek meant to say: bret, aaronpk, one thing we can do is to create a page for each buzzwordy term that people use in discussions, define it, provide indieweb perspectives, and then add FAQs related to that term as needed
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tantek e.g.
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tantek.com edited /federation (+377) "add a couple of posts about federated indieweb things" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /federation (+0) "/* Articles */ better video" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /federation (+45) "/* Articles */ video name" (view diff)
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tantek so when ScottJenson or anyone else says something like "federation is likely doomed as the UX is so bad" you can point them to indiewebcamp.com/federation
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Loqi [@xtof_fr] #mood:72% étude #meter &amp
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Loqi #progress. Ch. ex ds la jungle de jauges pour #notes #indieweb de #quantifiedself ? http://mydatalabs.com/Christophe_Ducamp#mood (http://twtr.io/bwBp1X4sks)
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Loqi [@_Ereputation] RT @xtof_fr: #mood:72% étude #meter &amp
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Loqi #progress. Ch. ex ds la jungle de jauges pour #notes #indieweb de #quantifiedself ? http://t.co/3… (http://twtr.io/bwC1GvSwH4)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek is really enjoying the top level page tools links.
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tantek.com created /federated_social_web (+34) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /federation (-4) "see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Federated_Social_Web (+16) "see also statusnet" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Federated_Social_Web (+17) "see also federation" (view diff)
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mapkyca morning folk :)
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@nicolas2fr @clearleft we plan to visit you next week before #IndieWebCamp hope you will have 5 minutes to drink a coffee cc @agence50A (twitter.com/_/status/372274610441428992)
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Jihaisse hello
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@WhatIsItYouSeek RT @gaelynnwoods: Is bigger always better? With regards to #books, of course... Chime in on THE BIG HEAT: http://gaelynnwoods.blogspot.com/2013/08/does-size-matter-sorry-all-you-sex.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372289024284979200)
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@unhosted @astro1138 oh, that's a pity! we also both coincide with http://nodeconf.eu/ and http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK too much cool stuff going on! :) (twitter.com/_/status/372320272084242432)
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@BestBookReads RT @kennhoss: Summer have you sweltering? Check out some great #books on the Independent Author Network - http://www.independentauthornetwork.com/kenneth-hoss.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372347071732658176)
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@dellasm RT @kennhoss: Summer have you sweltering? Check out some great #books on the Independent Author Network - http://www.independentauthornetwork.com/kenneth-hoss.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372347162371559424)
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aaronpk is reading ozten's notes on fsw2010
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aaronpk http://ozten.com/psto/2010/07/19/federated-social-web-summit-notes/
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aaronpk I particularly like the part on private messaging
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aaronpk "It turned out that these two ideas were Isomorphic. Then the term isomorphic was used about 20 times in the next 5 minutes."
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barnabywalters is isomorphic like orthogonal in this context?
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barnabywalters iso + morphic = same shaped?
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tommorris wants to find everyone who uses the term 'orthogonal' and introduce them forcibly to the much simpler term 'separate from'.
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barnabywalters tommorris++
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aaronpk it's a mathy term
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Loqi tommorris has 11 karma
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aaronpk yea, same shaped
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tommorris orthogonal is one of those terms that people hear and then think "ooh, that's fancy, I should use it" even though it makes things less clear
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barnabywalters okay, so orthogonal = separate from and isomorphic = similar shaped
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barnabywalters excellent
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aaronpk tommorris: lol
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barnabywalters I remember being confused by similar terminology when I was new to the channel
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barnabywalters let’s not use it :)
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Loqi [mention] http://jschweinsberg.de/2013/08/27/1377615907/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship (webmention)
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barnabywalters ^ is a nice looking site
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barnabywalters very minimal
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aaronpk nice
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@aaronpk @jschweinsberg Wilkommen an die IndieWeb! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/27/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/372375988472016897)
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aaronpk whoops i am not resolving relative URLs
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Jihaisse http://justdelete.me/
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barnabywalters ../../../..
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barnabywalters greetings jschweinsberg — nice indieweb site!
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barnabywalters RE authorship on eschnou’s site, if I don’t find a p-author or rel-author but there is a root h-card on the page with a u-url with the same domain, I use that
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jschweinsberg barnabywalters: Ohh thanks. :D
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aaronpk jschweinsberg: hello! I just sent you a webmention. I had to tweak my discovery code slightly because of your rel value, but it works now!
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jschweinsberg FYI I'm not @jschweinsberg on twitter. So autolinking is on the one hand I cool thing but on the other hand some sort of curse. :)
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aaronpk I wasn't looking for http://webmention.org, was looking explicitly for http://webmention.org/ with the trailing slash
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jschweinsberg Oh, good to know.
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aaronpk fixed :)
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aaronpk oops I shuoldn't have sent that one to twitter
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jschweinsberg :D
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aaronpk has not fully woken up yet
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barnabywalters poll: rel=prev or rel=previous?
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barnabywalters previous++
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Loqi previous has 1 karma
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aaronpk isn't that documented somewhere?
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aaronpk https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/1663744?hl=en
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aaronpk http://yoast.com/rel-next-prev-paginated-archives/
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barnabywalters I think you’re supposed to be able to use either
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barnabywalters just wondering what people prefer
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aaronpk i've used "prev"
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aaronpk cause they're both 4 chars that way
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barnabywalters I used to like that neatness but it seems arbitrary now — I just use the whole word
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk I should go get some coffee, brb
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Loqi definitely
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barnabywalters some D* news which may or may not interest people here:
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barnabywalters https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/1-diaspora-celebrates-one-year-as-a-community-project
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barnabywalters https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2991904
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barnabywalters D* can post to wordpress sites now
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barnabywalters sad to see that they’ve supported OpenGraph before microformats :(
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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barnabywalters thanks Loqi. you’re always here for me
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Loqi you're welcome
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barnabywalters actually, it’s a bit creepy
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XgF barnabywalters: Because OpenGraph is widely supported, while microformats (xfn/hcard aside) are very rare?
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barnabywalters I didn’t say it was bad prioritisation, just that it made me sad
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XgF TBH, I can't stand the mess that Microformats makes of a page. class is for styling, not semantics
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barnabywalters XgF: incorrect
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barnabywalters http://developers.whatwg.org/elements.html#classes
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barnabywalters “ authors are encouraged to use values that describe the nature of the content, rather than values that describe the desired presentation of the content.”
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barnabywalters values that describe the nature of the content = microformats
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XgF But note the reason that advice is given - so that authors name their classes things like "title", "header", "menu" as opposed to "bigtext", "blue", "small"
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barnabywalters XgF: citation?
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tommorris Class is for whatever you want to use it for. It just so happens that CSS uses it.
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tommorris HTML4 defines class rather nicely
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tommorris The class attribute has several roles in HTML:
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tommorris As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign style information to a set of elements). For general purpose processing by user agents.
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XgF Be as it may, I prefer RDFa for properly separating presentation and semantic information
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tommorris I actually think the idea of "semantic markup" is a confusion.
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tommorris There's descriptive markup - <address> rather than <span class="address">
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tommorris but the problem with the term "semantic markup" is that it makes people belive that by using the correct HTML elements they are doing something vaguely like the semantic web
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tantek aaronpk, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk ack
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tantek (somewhat glad it's not just me and my server that goes down occasionally ;) )
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barnabywalters tantek: protip: isup.me/domain.com also works but is less long
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tantek barnabywalters - yeah! just saw that on their page. :)
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aaronpk kernel panic. probably ran out of ram. rebooting and should be back in a few
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tantek wonder what application caused it to run out of ram
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tantek suspects MySQL :D
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michel_v poor MySQL
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michel_v used by most, unloved by all
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tantek and neglected by Oracle
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tantek re prev/previous, I use rel=prev
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tantek and note that rel=prev is the defined value here (the official registry) http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#formats
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tantek whereas rel=previous is marked as a synonym
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tantek so you can use either
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@portenkirchner #IndieWebCamp UK in Brighton 2013-09-07 http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/372414314247766016)
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@eschnou @pfanderson @britain Also worth mentioning @storytlr is a good #indieweb citizen and can federate with others. See http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/372417950655213568)
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@pfanderson RT @eschnou: @pfanderson @britain Also worth mentioning @storytlr is a good #indieweb citizen and can federate with others. See http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/372418545818152960)
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@Johannes_Ernst http://t.co/Z12u2t0Ho2. Useful, I like it. h/t #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/372427174084485120)
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@RichWeatherly43 RT @kennhoss: Summer have you sweltering? Check out some great #books on the Independent Author Network - http://www.independentauthornetwork.com/kenneth-hoss.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372464066167865344)
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@dellasm RT @kennhoss: Summer have you sweltering? Check out some great #books on the Independent Author Network - http://www.independentauthornetwork.com/kenneth-hoss.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372464546914791424)
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@AberrantTrilogy RT @kennhoss: Summer have you sweltering? Check out some great #books on the Independent Author Network - http://www.independentauthornetwork.com/kenneth-hoss.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372467147077083137)
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@WilliamPotter68 RT @kennhoss: Summer have you sweltering? Check out some great #books on the Independent Author Network - http://www.independentauthornetwork.com/kenneth-hoss.html #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/372472171232120832)
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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wardn hey tantek
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barnabywalters afternoon tantek
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barnabywalters just implementing original-post-discovery
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tantek barnabywalters - excellent!
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barnabywalters it is the start of an incremental set of mf-processing endpoints I’m making which will in the end combine into something resembling a feed reader
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tantek barnabywalters - interesting. when I wrote up original-post-discovery its purpose was to provide a building block for more-indieweb-friendly reply behaviors.
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tantek I'm curious how you're using it as part of a reader.
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barnabywalters it’s the first endpoint I’m making as I need it right now
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barnabywalters but it is practise and foundation for others
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barnabywalters e.g. for combining mf, filtering mf, rendering mf into HTML
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barnabywalters getting feed lists from h-card/XFN data which can then be fed into the above
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tantek barnabywalters - what do you think of the rel values for following / follower ? http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#fans_and_followers
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aaronpk "I'd say they're ready for experimentation on websites in the wild." - 3 years ago lol
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aaronpk ready set GO
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aaronpk actually wait which is which
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aaronpk oh, and no it wasn't mysql, I don't run mysql on that machine (re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-08-27/line/1377622235)
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aaronpk i have a separate server that only runs mysql, no web server
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tantek interesting - then I do wonder what ate up all the memory
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aaronpk huh, it was some http thing
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aaronpk looks like it was aaron.pk
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aaronpk probably something it talks to started hanging, leaving a bunch of apache threads open which kills ram fast
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aaronpk the joys of ops
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wardn it's relatively painless to code a wonderfully reliable web server in Go
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aaronpk oh no
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tantek greetings benwerd
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benwerd Greetings!
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benwerd How goes it in here?
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