#indiewebcamp 2013-09-18

2013-09-18 UTC
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@veganstraightedge @TrsstProject Could you sponsor @indiewebcamp: Hollywood 2013, please? $250 to help cover food/drinks/bathrooms. (twitter.com/_/status/380121045874651136)
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shaners Loqi, shhhh...
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@veganstraightedge @trsstproject Event URL: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/hollywood (twitter.com/_/status/380121655835508737)
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@veganstraightedge @julien51 Could @superfeedr sponsor @indiewebcamp: Hollywood 2013, please? $250 to help cover food/drinks/bathrooms. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/hollywood (twitter.com/_/status/380121826807910400)
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shaners oh, this is gonna get old. fast
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dpk hehe
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aaronpk yeah, I usually ask people offline
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shaners aaronpk: i've had a lot of luck (for Farmhouse Conf) with asking people on twitter
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dpk shaners: could you sponsor indiewebcamp lollywood 2013? $250. covers food, drinks, and bathrooms
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dpk (lollywood was < lol + hollywood but it actually sounds like a cool place)
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aaronpk shaners: cool, I may have to try that next time then :)
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shaners dpk: will you add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people ?
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dpk oooo
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dpk yeah
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shaners thanks
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dpk didn't know about this page
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aaronpk maybe I should add that to the topic
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shaners Anyone in the channel work at / run a place that can help sponsor the event? Nov 3-4 in Hollywood at The Farmhouse.
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dpk huh, danbri is here
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dpk sometimes, anyway
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dpk he's not often on irc these days
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shaners dpk: who's danbri?
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dpk.io edited /IRC_People (+40) "add me because i'm awesome. also i'm on irc, i think that's relevant" (view diff)
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dpk Dan Brickley, mad scientist/co-inventor of FOAF
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dpk (also someone i've been meaning to chat to lately but haven't been able to, hence the observation that he's never on IRC)
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@zapnap Sovereign looks pretty interesting https://github.com/al3x/sovereign Nice work by @al3x #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/380127817008418816)
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@veganstraightedge Come to #indiewebcamp : Hollywood after Farmhouse Conf on Nov 3-4. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/hollywood (twitter.com/_/status/380129462731300865)
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werd.io edited /2013/Hollywood (+326) "/* Sunday AND Monday RSVP */" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+0) "re-sorted my alphabetical position in the attendees table" (view diff)
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aaronpk shaners: you're not really going to be remote for that event, right?
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shaners oops! wrong table. :D
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shaners although, that'd be a funny experiment. remote hosting an event in your backyard.
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aaronpk hehe
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iamshane.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+0) "now with more preview than ever before" (view diff)
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shaners who do we know that works at the goog still?
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aaronpk will norris
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shaners aaronpk: that's it
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shaners it's so strange how much name similarity we have in such a small group
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shaners all the bens, werds, wards. morris, norris.
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk need more aarons
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tantek shaners - happy birthday!
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shaners what timezone are you in tantek ?
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tantek EDT
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shaners is it past midnight there?
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shaners my bday is 09-18.
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shaners and, also, thanks!
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@xtof_fr Jour du génie. Listening @adactio talking about #web #webmention (13'02) http://huffduffer.com/adactio/127840 (xtof.me w/2013-261) #indieweb #genius (twitter.com/_/status/380212982229131265)
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@xtof_fr @excpu "Où est Aaaron ?" #ping #sms http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/09/15/2/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/380230960102400000)
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@xtof_fr @EXCPU Perte de lunettes... Rêve d'un #ping-sms-geoloc á poser sur une #blogroll d'objets divers #indieweb ? http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-261 (twitter.com/_/status/380235599560470529)
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@GolfitIt RT @xtof_fr: @EXCPU Perte de lunettes... Rêve d'un #ping-sms-geoloc á poser sur une #blogroll d'objets divers #indieweb ? http://t.co/O7f… (twitter.com/_/status/380240024606081024)
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@GolfitIt RT @xtof_fr: @excpu "Où est Aaaron ?" #ping #sms http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/09/15/2/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/380240026455789568)
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tantek.com edited /hangouts (+81) "stub, dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek explicit invitations to people to add themselves to irc-people works better than passively leaving it in the channel topic. people like to be invited by other people rather than read a sign on a wall and wonder if it applies to them.
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tantek topic updated accordingly
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Jihaisse hello
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tommorris hey Jihaisse
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barnabywalters morning Jihaisse, tommorris
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neuro` Hello
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jschweinsberg hi neuro`
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@offrayLC @ijpulidos so sorry for you. I was "forced" too. May some day the #IndieWeb recovers communication between people from big players/brothers. (twitter.com/_/status/380308736801505280)
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meyerweb.com edited /IndieAuth (+1022) "/* Issues */ Added “Better Error Handling”" (view diff)
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@_JonM I'm going to have to try this. Loging into sites using your url. IndieAuth - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth?utm_content=bufferf1394&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer (twitter.com/_/status/380315420466896896)
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@dellasm RT @CassieMPorter: Order your copy of the highly anticipated novel #IfLovingYouWasEasy from http://cassandramporter.com #IndieAuthors #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/380315578722164736)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (+132) "/* Contact page support */" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (+35) "/* Better Error Handling */ signed Eric’s issue" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk created /User:Meyerweb.com (+97) "stubbed user page for meyerweb.com" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /User:Meyerweb.com (-26) "simplify to a minimal h-card that auto-parses p-name and u-url" (view diff)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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neuro` Good morning tantek
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+666) ""Parameter 'profile' must be..." is a debugging message, not an error message. Replace this ASAP." (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - we need to replace the "parameter profile" message ASAP - it makes no sense to anyone.
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tantek It might as well say, "something went wrong, check your rel=me links"
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tantek or "something went wrong, try rescanning, and then double-check your rel=me links"
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barnabywalters perhaps force a rescan before even letting the user know there’s been a problem
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aaronpk i would love some help rephrasing the error messages. writing english prose that makes sense to people while also deep in the bowels of auth code flow is not my strong suit
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aaronpk what I can do is create a list of all the errors and take suggestions for better phrasing
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barnabywalters aaronpk: what data is easily available at the error message stage? would probably be a good idea to list all the discovered URLs and their backlinking rel-me URLs if any, and auto-detect common difficulties
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aaronpk depends on the error
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aaronpk ok now it says:
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aaronpk "https://badlink" was not found on the site "http://aaronparecki.com". Try re-scanning after checking your rel=me links on your site.
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aaronpk launched
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aaronpk that should help a bit
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aaronpk still not sure how people are getting into that situation in the first place
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tantek aaronpk let's start with current text
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tantek what the heck does "parameter profile" even refer to?!?
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tantek there is nothing in the UI about either of those words, certainly not in combination
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aaronpk it's from the previous screen
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aaronpk you click on github.com/username, that's the "profile" it's referring to
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tantek no screen said "parameter"
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aaronpk i'm not attached to the wording, you don't need to criticize it
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tantek just curious where it came from - was it a debugging message?
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barnabywalters I thought it was referring to the URL parameter, i.e. ?profile=
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barnabywalters query parameter
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tantek ah
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aaronpk well in theory you can't ever get in that situation if you follow links
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aaronpk because indieauth should never link to a profile it doesn't know about
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tantek ok - that's why I was asking - I was wondering if there was potentially a flow problem in the code
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tantek so that's why it might be the result of a stale scan
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tantek I do like Barnaby's suggestion
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aaronpk i put a lot of safety checks in the code, a lot of them I expect to only be hit if people start changing URL parameters
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tantek of automatically kicking off a rescan if there's such a profile failure
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aaronpk I don't think that is the cause
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tantek safety checks are a good thing
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aaronpk as in, I don't think re-scanning would necessarily solve it
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aaronpk i'd need to see how people get into that situation first before I change anything
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barnabywalters aaronpk: rescanning solve the problem for eric
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aaronpk i mean i want a set of steps i can reproduce to try it out
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Loqi gives aaronpk a set of steps i can reproduce to try it out
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tantek lol Loqi
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (+187) "/* Talks */" (view diff)
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@tentsocial '@Google poised to abandon cookies as privacy laws increase. Is this the end of the cookie? http://gigaom.com/2013/09/17/google-ready-to-chuck-cookies-as-ground-shifts-for-online-ad-rules/ #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/380353318922780672)
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aaronpk anyway hopefully that change helps people
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barnabywalters bnvk: I’m having a look at indiewebify.me now, should I push to the main repo or make a fork?
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bnvk barnabywalters: oh cool, whatever you feel is best- I trust your code :)
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barnabywalters cool
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bnvk barnabywalters: are you back in Iceland now?
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barnabywalters bnvk: yep, back in windy iceland :)
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bnvk hehe, windy and cold?
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barnabywalters yep
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@paulgreg Just configured IndieAuth on http://gpaul.me http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Use_IndieAuth_for_your_OpenID to replace https://www.myopenid.com/ which will close in 2014. (twitter.com/_/status/380396417727991808)
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@judsonlester Man, IndieWebCamp looks cool, but the sign-up process is what you might call a Barrier to Entry: http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain @veganstraightedge (twitter.com/_/status/380409207364673536)
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@ShaneHudson @judsonlester @veganstraightedge That's on purpose! Being part of the indie web means you strive to own all of your own data :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/380409489712627712)
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@veganstraightedge @judsonlester It's easy if you've got an indieweb site. If not, it's a forcing function to get you in the door. :D (twitter.com/_/status/380411563171008512)
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tantek well done shaners and shanehudson
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shaners judson is an LA.rb friend. good dude and into it.
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bret shaners, are you still in PDX?
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shaners not still. haven't been in like forever.
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shaners BUT i get there tonight for xoxo.
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bret woops
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shaners :D
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tantek shaners, shanehudson - another useful link about why we have a deliberate sign-up barrier: http://indiewebcamp.com/Creator
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shaners yep
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tantek shaners - nice. I'll be there tomorrow night.
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shaners righteous
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tantek can't wait
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shaners me neither. i missed last year's. then didn't make the cut this year until the refund deadline when people cancelled.
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tantek whoa interesting
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@thewalkingpixel IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth #tools (twitter.com/_/status/380426217444610048)
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@judsonlester @veganstraightedge - "You have not specified a valid username" on IndieWebCamp login. (twitter.com/_/status/380429782946574336)
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shaners huh?
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@veganstraightedge @judsonlester What did you trying to login with on the indiewebcamp site? (twitter.com/_/status/380430102103736320)
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@veganstraightedge @judsonlester Ah. I see. LRD isn't your *personal* domain. orthogonal to the *indie* part of #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/380434095949348864)
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@veganstraightedge @judsonlester The shortest path to you indieauth-ing with *your* domain is to add your rel-me links to your footer or something. (twitter.com/_/status/380434289982074880)
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@veganstraightedge @judsonlester You also have an h-card and h-resume waiting to happen. It's kind of the most perfect #indieweb ready site. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/380434476712464384)
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shaners small moves
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shaners aaronpk: can one only login use a domain root, not example.com/about ?
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aaronpk I believe the wiki enforces that
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aaronpk but not indieauth
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shaners interesting
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shaners so, judson raises an interesting use case of /me
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shaners he co-owns a design shop and has a me page there that he links to from twitter, et al
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ShaneHudson Yeah I agree... for example some families share a domain (eg. shane@hudson.com - not real)
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shaners tried to login with that, but wiki wouldn't let him
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shaners ShaneHudson: that's the other example i was gonna give
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shaners tantek: are you caught up on the logs?
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tantek no
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shaners k. i'll wait
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tantek a co-owned thing is not you
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tantek it's a co-owned thing
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tantek like your car or your house or whatver
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ShaneHudson Actually, I really like the idea of family domains. Would solve the 'what happens when I die' thing
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tantek indieweb is about independence - about having an independent presence on the web. independent != shared.
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tantek ShaneHudson - unless you're the last in your family
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ShaneHudson tantek: true. But that would be an issue regardless
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shaners so, shane.becker.com is legit, but becker.com/shane is not?
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tantek shaners - yeah - that's how web permissions (e.g. CORS etc.) work
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tantek on (sub)domains
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tantek not (sub)directories
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shaners aaronpk: would indieauth.com treat becker.com/shane and becker.com/civ as different people?
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aaronpk shaners: yes
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shaners tantek: how does that make you feel?
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tantek how does what?
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shaners [14:14:07] shaners aaronpk: would indieauth.com treat becker.com/shane and becker.com/civ as different people?
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shaners [14:14:42] <@aaronpk> shaners: yes
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tantek sure, like twitter.com/aaronpk and twitter.com/t are different people
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tantek on the same silo
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shaners you confound me, t.
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tantek shaners: https://foursquare.com/v/mit-room-16004t/523a191b11d23b5579a5f708
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shaners #neverforget
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tantek cc: Tommorris - in case that kind of thing is something you can add to OSM
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tantek shaners - exactly
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tantek I contributed all the data on that venue (I created it) and submit it to the public domain for re-use in any fashion.
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vrypan If you are using python and looking for a simple way to send webmentions, I created a simple library and command line tool: https://github.com/vrypan/webmention-tools
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bret :D
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bret way cool vrypan
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vrypan :-)
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bret vrypan you should add that to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Webmention-related_libraries_and_tools
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bret I should add my webmention.io js library to the webmention.io page
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Loqi yea
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vrypan.net edited /webmention (+202) "Added https://github.com/vrypan/webmention-tools" (view diff)
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vrypan Done.
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bret vrypan++
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@pypi webmentiontools 0.1: Tools for http://t.co/EwHCjg1mY3. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/webmentiontools/0.1 (twitter.com/_/status/380477871023607808)
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