#indiewebcamp 2013-10-19

2013-10-19 UTC
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acegiak morning, folks
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@bethelightwrite Only a few hours left! #FREE #Ebook #series! Riverbend: The Collection http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK #RT #Indieauth #BYNR #fridayreads #kindle (twitter.com/_/status/391361421507698688)
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acegiak has pfefferle been on today?
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tantek haven't seen him
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acegiak kk, i need help fixing sempress
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acegiak might email him
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acegiak actually, whats the expected behavipur of webmentioning someone's root domain?
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tantek caseorganic - I've decided to postpone blogging about all the things that went (or started to go) wrong in 2003 until after your talk, and instead I'm going to focus on trying to add to the /timeline and /history pages to hopefully provide you with more background material
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Loqi ABOUT ALL THE THINGS http://loqi.me/86g
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tantek Thanks Loqi.
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Loqi you're welcome
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tantek acegiak - is that the indieweb equivalent of a "poke"?
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acegiak thatd what i was wondering? somewhere between a poke and posting on someone's wall
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tantek actually, in all seriousness, webmentioning someone's root domain is like an @-mention
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tantek or a +mention on G+
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acegiak yeah, cool
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tantek in our glorious indieweb dashboards of the future, we'll see a stream of recent federated person-mentions like that
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tantek just as https://twitter.com/mentions shows you Twitter-silo mentions
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tantek (well most of you that is, they're not really @-mentions for me in practice)
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acegiak tantek,im debating refactoring whisperfollow a little so that others can pull all the non-wordpress stuff out and use it to the same end
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caseorganic tantek: ok!
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acegiak what are people using at the moment?
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tantek caseorganic - as such, please let me know if you have any particular requests/prioritization for timeline research & documentation
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tantek and I'll keep updating /timeline accordingly with whatever I can dig up
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tantek hopefully in time for you to use/incorporate
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caseorganic tantek: hmm, i would like to have more evidence as to why 2003 was pivotal
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tantek googles RSS/Atom wars
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acegiak i dont understand why rss died
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acegiak i love it
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tantek wow I totally missed this: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/apple-joins-the-war-on-rss-20120731-23d8y.html
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tantek more grist for the death of RSS mill
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tantek caseorganic, 2003 was the start of the Atom/RSS wars - which sucked in so many technical "great minds" of blogging and distracted them from more important things, like UX, improving features of blogging etc.
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tantek here's a citation for now - from 2004, but it indicates "last year" … "not a little disagreement and discussion in the community" http://www.cmswire.com/cms/micro-cms/blog-format-wars-rss-vs-atom-let-there-be-rsspeace-000224.php
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tantek so while the technical creative minds of open blogging argued and debated formats, the social network silos slowly iterated user features
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tantek eventually innovating much past blogs
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tantek we mocked the nastiness of Myspace, but they had the integrated post/read idea already in (2003?) and blogs had not even noticed that yet
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tantek Twitter, 2006, was the first *really obvious* sign of things to come. Then FB becoming open to all to sign-up along with the mass flight from MySpace to FB.
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tantek the RSS/Atom wars continued through at least 2007! http://readwrite.com/2007/07/25/syndication_wars_2007_atom_rss20
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tantek oh my goodness, Seth Finkelstein killed it with this blog post - from 2004! http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000558.html
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tantek Oh dear - start your conspiracy theories, Google was pouring fuel on the syndication war fires back in 2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20050308222534/http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5157662.html - the same Google that eventually shutdown its Google Reader - the free product that stopped anyone from bothering to build new readers
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tantek but back to http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000558.html, this quote is golden: "How can you route around big media, revolutionize society, create new forms of participatory democracy, solve deeply complicated social problems ... when "we" CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON A FORMAT FOR WEB SITE CONTENT SYNDICATION?!" [CAPS in original!]
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caseorganic tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 19 karma
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tantek MT shot itself in the foot with licensing issues, thus paving the way for the WordPress monoculture we have now.
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tantek and everyone knows what happens when you have a monoculture - innovation slows to a crawl
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tantek yes, caseorganic, the RSS/Atom wars are quite exceptionally well documented, because of course, people *blogged* about them
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tantek.com edited /feed (+205) "/* 2012 */ Apple quietly removes RSS support from OSX Mountain Lion's Safari and Mail" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /RSS (+89) "subheads, note shutdowns documented on feeds page" (view diff)
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caseorganic tantek: i am in need of a very good screenshot from the rss/atom wars that really shows the battle
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caseorganic tantek: the one i have now is not representative enough
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tantek and image search for RSS/Atom wars is useless. thank you google (not).
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tantek caseorganic - I think best bet would be for you to make your own battle image from the Atom and RSS logos
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tantek http://readwrite.com/files/files/files/images/atomenabled_logo.png
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tantek and here's an old RSS button: http://www.red-lantern-band.com/images/rss.jpg
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tantek.com created /atom (+18) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Atom (+513) "add logo and a bit more summary mentioning hAtom and h-entry" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /FeedBurner (+89) "add logo, incorporate "News" section into top summary since it was just one line" (view diff)
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tantek and that's what happens when I go searching for an old Atom logo and end up finding a bunch of other logos
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@indieboxproject @INEXAdvisorsLLC: "Why Makers Matter In the Internet of Things" http://inexadvisors.com/2013/10/18/five-reasons-why-makers-are-more-than-hobbyists/ #pcloud #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/391404785292681216)
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bret !tell shaners, Interested in meeting up tomorrow for some inidieweb hacking when people are off having fun at Realtime conf?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret dangit Loqi
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Loqi is done
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bret aparently
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bret go home Loqi, your drunk
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@hupili IndieWeb -- The Movement and Related Projects https://speakerdeck.com/hupili/indieweb-the-movement-and-related-projects (twitter.com/_/status/391428601754578944)
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@hupili Just finished the IndieWeb talk on Open Source Hong Kong 2013. https://speakerdeck.com/hupili/indieweb-the-movement-and-related-projects cc @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/391429153544622080)
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bret way cool hupili!
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hupili Hope to kick off indieweb in Asia
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bret curious to hear about the no service for birthday < 1911?
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bret really?
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hupili that one is a joke~
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bret oh heh
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hupili but <13 no service is a real thing
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bret yeah but that is actually understandable.... One of my old hobbies was polluting my silo profiles with bad data
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hupili the speaker deck slides do not have animation
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hupili https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kg0K6ump_El28JqoFoVOXvhEuWQSiCFbjoAFDxPhFc8/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000
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hupili this google slide is better to watch
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bret sites like quora would literally have humans email you if they spotted a fake "real" name
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hupili especially without the talk
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bret ok off to bed
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hupili good night
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Loqi see you in the morning!
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hupili lunch time now. come back later
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@BookYrNextRead RT @bethelightwrite: Only a few hours left! #FREE #Ebook #series! Riverbend: The Collection http://www.amazon.com/Riverbend-The-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FE5BTLK #RT #Indieauth #BYNR #fr… (twitter.com/_/status/391457269046837248)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: livestream: http://2013.realtimeconf.com
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barnabywalters aaronpk: Thanks! How's the Conf going?
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aaronpk good!
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aaronpk pretty crazy
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aaronpk hah "I accidentally re-invented WebDAV"
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bret awww cool aaronpk thanks
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bret do you think there will be video after the conference?
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aaronpk yes I believe so
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caseorganic feels bad because i don't have enough practice for this talk
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barnabywalters They have a hammered dulcimer in the conference band? Awesome
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aaronpk it's a different set of instruments each music break!
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bret food with ex oauth dude
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bret (just tuned back in)
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bret !tell caseorganic You're gonna do great!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret \
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek caseorganic you're going to be awesome! when is your talk?
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tantek !tell caseorganic you're going to be awesome! when is your talk?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi caseorganic: bret left you a message 1 hour, 27 minutes ago: You're gonna do great!
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Loqi caseorganic: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: you're going to be awesome! when is your talk?
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caseorganic bret: thanks! nervous nervous
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bret just having your slides out the other day at pints brought a crowd! you know what your talking 'bout ;)
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tantek yes!
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tantek (even though I wasn't there in person)
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tantek has anyone done a blog post on how to export your data from Dopplr?
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tantek was thinking of doing a quick one
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tantek (since I already figured out the details and posted them to the site-deaths page)
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bret im looking for a flickr alternative
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bret https://trovebox.com/ maybe?
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pdurbin bret: what does it have the flickr doesn't?
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pdurbin that*
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bret a user interface that works on old computers
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bret a paid option, etc
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pdurbin ok
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pdurbin ooo, handy: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Upcoming
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pdurbin huh. myOpenId on the death watch. I think it was one of the bigger ones
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tantek hmm - Flickr has a paid option (I pay for mine too)
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tantek pdurbin - yeah we try to keep track
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tantek and note how to export data too
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pdurbin sure. excellent guides on data liberation
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tantek there's definitely an import problem however
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tantek so few sites actually support importing anything from anywhere else
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tantek one big exception: Wordpress is quite amazing about importing from pretty much any other blogging platform or format
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pdurbin huh. you'd think sites would want to make it easy to move over to them. smart of wordpress
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pdurbin I think squarespace lets you import too
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tantek yes - it is smart of wordpress
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tantek pdurbin - if you know how/what import support squarespace has (even a link), could you add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Squarespace ?
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pdurbin meh. it's a proprietary platform so I have little interest in it. they just advertise on podcasts I listen to. I'm not even sure about their import stuff
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aaronpk bret: what do you want that flickr doesn't have?
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bret i super dislike the new interface
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bret it runs at 5 fps on my laptops
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bret spikes my cpu on my desktop etc
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bret i also dislike I can't pay for it any longer. My pro expired and then they removed it as an option to get it back
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aaronpk ah yea the interface changes have been getting annoying
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aaronpk that's weird they won't let you pay for it anymore though
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bret yeah, you can keep pro if you already had it
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bret but the removed it as an option, leaving $50 no ads option, and $200 for 2Tb :/
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bret its a total shift away from the original attitude of the original site. It seems to fall much more in like with a typical silo it seems. IE crappy TOS + moar ads is of higher value to yahoo than an honest paid service
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aaronpk oh weird
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aaronpk well there's always openphoto
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aaronpk I may have to add an editing interface to my flickr clone soon then
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pdurbin and this: Gallery | Your photos on your website - http://galleryproject.org
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aaronpk caseorganic is up next! http://2013.realtimeconf.com/
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aaronpk bret: ^
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bret whoop! good luck your gonna do great!
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bret I'm not near a computer right now :(. I'll have to catch a recording.