#indiewebcamp 2013-10-23

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@brianloveswords
@caseorganic great seeing you and @aaronpk at RealtimeConf! IndieWebCamp NYC 2014 is gonna happen :) Also, geopoetry!
(twitter.com/_/status/392803076052385792)
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bjb.io
moved /2014/Brooklyn to /2014/NYC "Because it's gonna be NYC based, not just Brooklyn based!"
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bjb.io
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acegiak
tantek: have you gotten any webmentions from me today?
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tantek
FYI both benwerd & I are running late to the meetup. Be there in a min.
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tantek
acegiak: Webmention.io let me see my list of mentions, though presumably it's queuing them up.
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acegiak
tantek: I think my script is not picking up the server because the rel is in the new format
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acegiak
does anyone have a good example of sniffing out the webmention server endpoint in php now that the rel can be either webmention or webmention.org or any combination therein?
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aaronpk
if you use a real html parser you can just look for a rel value of webmention or webmention.org
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aaronpk
otherwise you'll have to do it with two regexes
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acegiak
aaronpk: yeah but that's still looking only for webmention.org
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acegiak
the problem lies in the oh awit no I'm reading it wrong
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aaronpk
what? no, look at 93
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acegiak
reading it wrong sorry
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acegiak
aaronpk: how do these look? http://pastebin.com/pCc4pLaD
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acegiak
I'm trying to handle rel="webmention http://webmention.org"
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aaronpk
not sure, write a test suite :)
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acegiak
is that happening everytime that post is updated or commented on?
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aaronpk
must be a wordpress thing
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acegiak
I want "it must be a wordpress thing" on a tshirt
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cweiske
who is technically responsible for the webmention.org redirect to github?
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cweiske
I get a 503 when issuing a HEAD request against that domain
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@_crossdiver
@caseorganic re: #indieweb... what do you do about email? Do you own your email?
(twitter.com/_/status/392895452057575424)
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@caseorganic
@_crossdiver Email is easy to store a backup copy of on your hard drive. Use the interface email provides and PESOs. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/392900071382986753)
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icco
cweiske, I've usually assumed aaronpk, but i don't know for sure
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@new_wp_plugins
New #wordpress plugin: IndieAuth Links- http://wordpress.org/plugins/indieauth-links/ IndieAuth Links enable sign in with your domain name
(twitter.com/_/status/392909035088789504)
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@_crossdiver
@caseorganic that's what I thought. I was toying with rolling my own, but spam/forwarding/webmail all seem too steep for the ROI. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/392915218579218433)
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pfefferle
Jihaisse your WordPress plugin was approved, nice!
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: yep !
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Jihaisse
so happy
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: what your's doing ?
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pfefferle
which of plugins? ;)
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pfefferle
ah that one
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cweiske
pfefferle, I don't understand what your plugin is doing by reading the description
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pfefferle
indieauth?
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Jihaisse
cweiske: me too...
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pfefferle
than it must be really bad… since both of you know indieauth :(
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cweiske
the first paragraph is a description of indieauth
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cweiske
which should be last
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cweiske
and I don't understand the second
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pfefferle
yes, seems a bit too wordpress specific… should write a more prosa version
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: is it fo doing something like mine ?
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Jihaisse
but without the markup ?
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pfefferle
no, it is an indieauth implementation for wordpress
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pfefferle
login to your wordpress blog using a url
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Jihaisse
$so, you can login on your wordpress with http://notizblog.org ?
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Jihaisse
yeah :)
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pfefferle
but every other blog user can use his domain to do so too
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pfefferle
it checks the domain used in the profile page
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pfefferle
so it is multi-user friendly
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pfefferle
thats what i wanted to say with the second paragraph
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pfefferle
it uses the user_url to match the user
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cweiske
"Lets you login to the wordpress backend via indieauth. Uses the profile URL."
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pfefferle
thanks!
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cweiske
or "Matches the user's profile URL."
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pfefferle
It uses the URL from the profile-page to identify the blog-user.
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pfefferle
i think profile url sounds more like this one http://notizblog.org/author/matthias-pfefferle
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cweiske
s/g-u/g u/
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cweiske
s/-/ /
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Loqi
cweiske meant to say: s/g u/g u/
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cweiske
s/signup/registration/
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cweiske
and I wouldn't repeat the whole indieauth story in the description
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cweiske
you use the FAQ for that already
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cweiske
s/Register/Registration/
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Jihaisse
so our two plugins are complementary
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cweiske
it seems pfefferle's plugin also adds links
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pfefferle
nope it adds no links
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pfefferle
they are complementary
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Jihaisse
perfect
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pfefferle
so updated wordpress.org readme
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pfefferle
thanks cweiske and Jihaisse
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: I will install your plugin
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: how do you manage to have the login form on https ?
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pfefferle
define('FORCE_SSL_LOGIN', true);
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pfefferle
define('FORCE_SSL_ADMIN', true);
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pfefferle
add these lines to your config.php
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: thanks
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Jihaisse
nothing else to do ?
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Jihaisse
in the dns or somewhere else ?
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pfefferle
if ssl is enabled for your domain, that's all
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acegiak
morning, pfefferly'
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acegiak
morning, pfefferle*
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: I'm trying your indieauth plugin
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Jihaisse
it login with the wrong user
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pfefferle
it logins in the user that has the url setup on the profile page
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: I've got my user with my url
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Jihaisse
but it login with the user that don't have a url
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acegiak
pfefferle, I was adding an action to the webmention plugin so that I could call the webmention_send_ping from my plugin, which works
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acegiak
but I noticed that the discover_webmention_server_uri only picks up rel="http://webmention.org/" and not rel="webmention" or rel="webmention http://webmention.org/"
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acegiak
I threw together this modification of the method from the default webmention php library
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pfefferle
i am refactoring the whole plugin
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acegiak
oh ok, lol
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acegiak
I was gonna check in the change but I guess I'll wait
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: every time I try, it login with the second user. I tried to fill the profil url with a fake, but doesn't work...
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acegiak
pfefferle: oh, neat
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pfefferle
Jihaisse can you give me a url where you have installed it?
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pfefferle
acegiak I moved all the mf2 stuff to a seperate plugin
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pfefferle
and tried to implement all 0.2 stuff
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pfefferle
acegiak I am sorry that you had some extra work with the discovery
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pfefferle
Jihaisse oh my god! It logs in every user on your site!
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pfefferle
that is not good!
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Jihaisse
not good at all
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pfefferle
you should deactivate it
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Loqi
definitely
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: that's strange, no ?
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pfefferle
so, fixed!
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pfefferle
Jihaisse you are my hero! this was really critical
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: yeah ! good job !
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Jihaisse
you found the bug ?
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pfefferle
Jihaisse no, but replaced the complete DB-Query code
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: hum, ok
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Jihaisse
tell me if you want me to test it
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pfefferle
yes, you can test it
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pfefferle
try to login to my blog using your url
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cweiske
I don't get logged in :)
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pfefferle
ufff that is a good sign :)
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: same for me !
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Jihaisse
good :)
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pfefferle
now you can try it on your blog if it works with the right url
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: have you upadted the plugin on wordpress ?
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pfefferle
as fast as I could
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: good job
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Jihaisse
it works
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Jihaisse
pfefferle: that was realy fast !
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pfefferle
and also really critical
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pfefferle
thanks for testing Jihaisse and cweiske
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Jihaisse
with pleasure
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Jihaisse
your welcom
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Jihaisse
what are SMS and Persona ?
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cweiske
persona is the mozilla auth service
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cweiske
sms is your phone
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Jihaisse
you can have a rel=me with a phone number ?
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Jihaisse
that's fun
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Jihaisse
+336521236 this format ?
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pfefferle
sms:12382391238123
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pfefferle
barnabywalers uses it on his site http://waterpigs.co.uk
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pfefferle
scroll down
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Jihaisse
there is an example here too : https://indieauth.com/setup
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barnabywalters
that phone # doesn’t actually work any more, but I did use it to log in a few times
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Jihaisse
and for persona, it's an email ?
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pfefferle
yes, but you don't have to link it, because firefox will handle it for you
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barnabywalters
well, you have to link to the email address
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pfefferle
ah ok, to work with indieauth… if you want to implement persona it is not necessary
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tommorris
In the spirit of freeing oneself from big evil companies, I've just started the switch from Gmail to Fastmail.
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Jihaisse
tommorris: what is fastmail ?
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tommorris
Jihaisse: Australian email company.
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Jihaisse
ok, found it
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Jihaisse
tommorris: how is the webmail ?
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tommorris
Jihaisse: it's alright. it's not as advanced as Gmail, but it's cleaner and less overengineered/Ajaxy
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Jihaisse
I'm thinking about moving too
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Jihaisse
my sys admin installed roundcube
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@BarnabyWalters
.@julien51 URLs are worth caring about, data formats shouldn’t make them worthless. #microformats #indieweb (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4SgGNr/)
(twitter.com/_/status/393049895319650305)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: weave is cool
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: thanks! idea credit goes to Aral
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aaronpk
it works in the reply context on the twitter permalink but not for your actual tweet content
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: oh interesting — I knew it didn’t work properly on tweet permalinks, interesting that it works for reply contexts
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barnabywalters
they must use the same stream class as they do on the homepage
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barnabywalters
expanding of permalink page tweets is coming in the next version
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@julien51
@BarnabyWalters Well, I agree, but you're the one who wanted the url! The button removes the need to care about the url!
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barnabywalters
ah yes they use .stream-container and .stream-items
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barnabywalters
anyone know of a good interactive graph (nodes and edges) creation JS library?
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barnabywalters
if styled a little better
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barnabywalters
oh it does use SVG — I’ll go with that one then
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tantek
anyone know when barryfrost implemented receiving webmentions on his site?
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tantek
so that's sending webmentions
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aaronpk
but his site also received mine
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aaronpk
oh wow he has a great "how to comment" page http://barryfrost.com/how-to-comment
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tantek
indeed!
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tantek
based on this post - which looks like a "like" of one of his own posts, that he sent himself via webmention, I'm going with 2013-09-15 for both sending & receiving
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tantek
how many u-like u-repost publishing/sending/receiving implementations do we have now?
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aaronpk
i feel like we should have an indiewebcamp.com/how-to-comment page that I can just link to on my site
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tantek
sandeep, benwerd, barryf ?
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tantek
aaronpk - yeah - a "main" how-to-comment page would be great
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tantek
go for it :)
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aaronpk
will do, later :)
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tantek
maybe even ask barry if we can re-use his text since he did a great job
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
created /User:Bjb.io (+71) "stub with an h-card"
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /webactions (+313) "/* Action tag examples in the wild */ add Barry Frost as of 2013-10-07 (as based on when some of his posts have webactions)"
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brianloveswords
tantek: Atul (toolness) said he's also down to help organize NYC 2014! I'll get him to add his name to the list at some point.
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tantek
great!
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tantek.com
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cweiske
aaronpk, did you read my webmention.org HEAD request problem message?
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aaronpk
cweiske: webmention.org is run by sandeep. webmention.io is mine
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@mikeal
@caseorganic who do i talk to about getting an IndieWeb event at @JavaScriptFest ?
(twitter.com/_/status/393084211176820737)
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@aaronpk
@mikeal @caseorganic Adam just got a hold of us asking the same thing! We aren't available to help... #indiewebcamp http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/10/23/1/indiewebcamp
(twitter.com/_/status/393084970215817216)
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mikeal
hiya! :)
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mikeal
so, JSFest IndieWeb event :)
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aaronpk
hey there
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mikeal
it doesn't have to be that *weekend*
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mikeal
we're actually filling in a week or so of events
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mikeal
if all goes well
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aaronpk
so unfortunately the following monday is one of the two big esri events per year, so amber and I will be totally booked getting ready for that and then will be out starting monday
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mikeal
i see
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aaronpk
but, that doesn't mean there aren't other people who can help organize!
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mikeal
yeah
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aaronpk
could even do a sort of mini camp, half day or something instead of a full two days
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mikeal
i wonder what Tantek is up to :)
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aaronpk
also benwerd is in SF, he might be around!
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mikeal
i'd like to keep it free like the previous ones so i'm trying to talk to Mozilla about using their space
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aaronpk
cool, tantek is also at mozilla :)
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cweiske
github.com doesn't understand HEAD requests.... answers with 404, while the GET gives a 200
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mikeal
does he hang in here ever?
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aaronpk
tantek? yeah, all the time!
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mikeal
cool, i'll just idle until he comes around then :)
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aaronpk
!tell tantek mikeal wants to talk to you about hosting an indiewebcamp at mozilla!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
now you'll be highlighted when we comes back :)
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mikeal
great :)
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@brianloveswords
@aaronpk @mikeal @caseorganic I plan on making it out to JSFest (hopefully speaking!) and I'd be happy to help organize an IndieWeb event.
(twitter.com/_/status/393088382915846144)
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brianloveswords
mikeal: oh I've been here I'VE BEEN HERE ALL ALONG :)
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mikeal
hahaha
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mikeal
:)
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mikeal
so, yes, i was actually hoping to get Mozilla's SF space for it
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mikeal
but my strategy to engage Mozilla is talking to Brendan directly, which has a big lag time :)
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brianloveswords
mikeal: ahh you should talk to tantek about getting the SF space! I can also talk to some people, a few of us from the badges team are in SF and can probably figure it out.
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mikeal
that would be great
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mikeal
i need someone to sort of take point and run with it
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mikeal
because i've got a bunch of other stuff going on
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brianloveswords
mikeal: do you have any specific dates in mind?
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mikeal
I can stick the info up on the site and link to the relevant IndieWebCamp registration stuff
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mikeal
any date around the ones we already announced
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mikeal
so like, any time between March 7th and March 15th
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mikeal
preferrably not on the 9th or 10th
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brianloveswords
mikeal: okay! I can take point on this, but I'm probably not gonna make any headway until next week – I'm flying out to London for MozFest in like four hours :)
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mikeal
that's fine, stuff is getting added and announced for the next month or so
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mikeal
awesome :)
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mikeal
take that off my checklist :)
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Loqi
tantek: aaronpk left you a message 41 minutes ago: mikeal wants to talk to you about hosting an indiewebcamp at mozilla!
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tantek
great! hey mikeal - which moz campus?
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tantek
aaronpk - how do I see a list of received webmentions for tantek.com on webmention.io?
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tantek
(couldn't figure it out from the docs :/ )
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tantek
reads logs
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tantek
ah, @mozsf ok
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mikeal
tantek: SF, brianloveswords is on it too :)
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tantek
happy to help - let's figure out potential days that work well for either adjacency to JSFest or that work with folks' travel schedules
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tantek
mikeal - awesome - that will help
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mikeal
yeah, any date between March 7th and March 15th works, preferrably not the 9th or 10th but if those are the only workable dates then it's fine
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tantek
ah because jsfest is 9-10
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tantek
hmm - maybe I should submit my cassis.js talk ;)
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tantek
This: "JSFest is about the present more than the future" is exactly the point of CASSIS.
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tantek
what if we did it the Friday / Saturday before?
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tantek
welcome jfranusic!
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tantek
i.e. 2014-03-07..08? (IndieWebCampSF adjacent to JSFest which is 03-09..10)
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tantek
aaronpk would you be able to make that?
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tantek
cc: brianloveswords
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bret
twitter already reset my password :/
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bret
"Twitter believes that your account may have been compromised by a website or service not associated with Twitter. We've reset your password to prevent others from accessing your account.
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bret
" :/
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tantek
what were you doing?
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bret
yikes
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bret
nothin!
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tantek
screenshot that and post it to the wiki
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bret
i literally made the account the other day
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brianloveswords
tantek: I think aaronpk said he was busy with ESRI stuff, but those dates tentatively work for me!
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tantek
and we'll add it to the /why page
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bret
i signed in via my browser, and then the mobile web page on my phone
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brianloveswords
tantek: the only thing I have to make sure is that it doesn't overlap with DML 2014 (which I believe I'm obligated to be at)
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mikeal
tantek: Friday would be perfect actually
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tantek
bret - why did you give in and create a Twitter account?
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tantek
I thought you had figured out how to get along without it!
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tantek
is it to be able to POSSE @-replies to others on Twitter?
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tantek
aside: mikeal - this is an awesome way to collect submissions, well done: https://github.com/mikeal/jsfest2014-cfp/blob/master/README.md
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bret
I should practice what I preach. I dont think I'll be using it much for news/entertainment, but rather as a network for sharing things I do with people who use it
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mikeal
definitely
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Loqi
it is probable
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mikeal
my last few conferences i invited all the speakers/presenters and using a private repo was great for collaborating between people
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Loqi
INVITED ALL THE SPEAKERS http://loqi.me/87u
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mikeal
this being an open submission it just made sense to do it the same way
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bret
tantek: plus i think the more people who POSSE the more attention it will bring to the issues we focus on here
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tantek
bret - yeah - that's basically the motivation for POSSE: "sharing things with people who use it [silos to POSSE to]"
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tantek
bret - that's a good point too - essentially you're spreading the idea of the indieweb into the silos and the people you reply to
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bret
they will see how I do this, and maybe will be interested in doing it themselves
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bret
its kind of hard to describe it to folks, its much better if they just see it
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brianloveswords
mikeal, tantek: ARGH, 2014-03-07..08 overlaps exactly with DML 2014: http://dmlhub.net/save-date-dml2014. I will talk to my team this weekend and see if I can get out of it (I *hopefully* should be, we have enough people going and I get way more out of IndieWeb meetups)
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tantek
brianloveswords - yeah that makes sense
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tantek
bret - exactly, "show don't tell" as caseorganic says ;)
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tantek
also, ironically, March 7-10 (for IWCSF + JSFest) would nearly completely overlap with SXSW Interactive 2014
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bret
tantek: having realized the staleness of rss and atom, it also doesnt seem that much of a leap to publish to twitter as 'just another channel that we have today, despite its issues'
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tantek
(which I'm ok with BTW, just to be clear)
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mikeal
i don't think i know anyone that goes to SXSW anymore that is a developer
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aaronpk
brianloveswords: mikeal: tantek: I will be totally unavailable March 9-13. Before that I may be able to attend, but can't help organize.
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mikeal
and that's a great time to be in SF, we might actually be able to book a bar since 10% of SF is in Austin :)
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brianloveswords
mikeal: good call!
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brianloveswords
Also, yeah, totally fine missing SXSW interactive :)
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mikeal
we should get your band to play one of the parties :)
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tantek
(someone has to work on creating the near future of web interactivity, since SXSW is now about the business of web interactivity)
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tantek
aaronpk - I think between mikeal brianloveswords and myself we can handle the organizing - would be great if you & caseorganic could make it March 7-8 though.
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tantek
mikeal - indeed - it will be a great time to be in SF as SXSW will have honeypotted all the sales/marketing/wantrepreneur types away.
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Loqi
HONEYPOTTED ALL THE SALES http://loqi.me/87v
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@OnTheWebz
RT @t: going to #Indieweb meetup tonight 19:30, Papalote on 24th http://werd.io/event/526705b4bed7dedc23022c02/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink #html5devconf #realtimeconf, join us! (ttk.me t4Sf1)
(twitter.com/_/status/393106185378750465)
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tantek
a bit late there OnTheWebz :P
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tantek
mikeal - yes - bands!
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brianloveswords
mikeal: oh man, the schedule works for the rest of the band that would be rad :)
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tantek
perhaps we can have music+film tracks in the evenings on march 7-10
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tantek
hmm… >:D
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brianloveswords
* IF the schedule works
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tantek
indieweb indiemusic indiefilm, ahem
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tantek
brianloveswords - does your band have its own web site? :D
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aaronpk
cool. I will try to make it then, it depends on how much we're involved with the esri event. Usually amber has more stuff to do there than me, will have to play it by ear
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bret
Another issue for the why page (if it isnt alredy there). Centralized services attract all sorts of scammers and spammers! True for twitter, facebook, world of warcraft/most MMOs, ebay, craigslist ime
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bret
im getting file extension does not match MIME type. errors
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bret
when uploading a png
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bret.io
uploaded /File:twitterhack.png "Signed up for twitter yesterday, and they reset my password already."
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bret
oh derp
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bret
tantek: where do you think that screenshot fits best?
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tantek
haha "twitterhack"?
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tantek
I'd say more like "twitter-involuntary-pw-reset"
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bret
the file wasnt uploading, so I just mashed the first two words that came to mind :D
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tantek
bret - all successful services/sites attract all sorts of scammers and spammers
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brianloveswords
tantek: no real website yet, getting the design soon though and should be up in the next couple of weeks.
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bret
tantek: I was able to hear Eric Rescorla talk about webRTC last weekend :D
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bret
from mozilla
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tantek
bret - awesome, yeah eric is a good guy
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bret
I like how fast he talks when he gets going on a passonate topic
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bret
it was fascinating to hear him talk
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hober
tantek: remember that meeting at moz mv a year or two ago about login/change password/sign up forms?
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hober
tantek: i can't figure out which wiki we took notes on
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tantek
hober that might have been *3* years ago
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hober
yeah, could have been
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tantek
it was after the identity workshop co-organized by Harry Halpin and Mike Hanson
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tantek
ah, just beat me to it :)
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tantek
yes that's it
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tantek
hober, somehow I didn't log that event on the Moz wiki - now added: https://wiki.mozilla.org/2011/Events#June_2011
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tantek
ah, what irony, the screenshots for openid vs email login on this slide: http://tantek.com/presentations/2011/05/idinputs/#slide2 are from Dopplr.
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tantek
seems like it's 500 day
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tantek
just got an "Internal server error." when trying to send a DM on twitter
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aaronpk
at least it's not just me :)
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tantek
and of course when it errors - it loses what you typed
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tantek
so unforgiving
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tantek
auto-save to draft DM? nah, that would be too kind.
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brianloveswords
tantek: I had to miss the very first NodeConf to be at IIW 2011 !
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@aaronpk
@_crossdiver Awesome, good to hear! It shouldn't take long to add some h-entry markup to enable things like... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/10/23/2/indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/393138630325071872)
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aaronpk
tantek: ^ :)
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tantek.com
edited /2014/NYC (+261) "start noting conflicts to avoid, see also"
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tantek.com
edited /2014/NYC (+194) "note possible weekends"
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ryana
I had the same reaction as he did... I need to link to amber's talk in my post
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@t
“we’re embarking on something big right now … we’d better buckle up.” @_crossdiver #indieweb http://ike.io/2013/10/23/the-indieweb.html (ttk.me t4Sg1)
(twitter.com/_/status/393159880330465280)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: “we’re embarking on something big right now … we’d better buckle up.” @_crossdiver #indieweb http://ike.io/2013/10/23/the-indieweb.html (ttk.me t4Sg1)
(twitter.com/_/status/393162529620250624)