#indiewebcamp 2013-10-31

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tantek.com created /2014/nyc (+21) "r" (view diff)
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@JavaScriptFest Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395711999566290944)
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@mikeal RT @JavaScriptFest: Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395712031510106112)
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@nodeconf RT @JavaScriptFest: Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395712040557228032)
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@nodemeatspace RT @JavaScriptFest: Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395712071435710464)
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@DHTMLConf RT @JavaScriptFest: Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395712109385744385)
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mikeal i expect some seriously awesome proposals from ya'll for http://dhtmlconf.com/
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mikeal :)
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tantek mikeal LOL!
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@satyrwilder RT @JavaScriptFest: Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395726847071518720)
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bret dhtml, so dope
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bret im glad they used notepad, thats definately the right way
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tantek definitely
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@mimetnet RT @JavaScriptFest: Added DHTMLConf and IndieWebCamp to the list of events! http://jsfest.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/395762604519739392)
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Jihaisse Hello
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tantek hello
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shaners tantek: i added rel-syndication links on : 2013-07-17T14:26:21-07:00
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tantek shaners - nice - example post with rel-syndication link?
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shaners http://iamshane.com/articles/2013/9/7/1/rorschach-and-roomba
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shaners http://iamshane.com/notes/2013/10/23/9
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shaners http://iamshane.com/videos/2013/5/30/1/backyard-squirrel-buddy
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Jihaisse shaners: is that automatic rel-syndication ?
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shaners Jihaisse: do you mean, am I POSSEing?
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tantek shaners - are you POSSEing *automatically*
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shaners tantek: no. i'm still manually POSSEing
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Jihaisse ok
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shaners Jihaisse: the rel-syndication links are automatic. but i manually post the copy to the other site.
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shaners tantek: I have either a.u-uid on syndicated copy or permashorturl as the last bit of text in the syndicated copy. both for original post discovery.
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shaners do you want examples of those too?
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shaners and dates?
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Jihaisse shaners: how do you make it automatic ? is there a discovery ?
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shaners Jihaisse: i have a field in my database for syndicated URLs, per post.
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shaners so the link being displayed is "automatic", but I still manually cross post than updated the original post's record.
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shaners not ideal, but for now, it's the way I'm doing it
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tantek manual POSSE, automatic markup
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tantek shaners, incremental steps are ALL GOOD
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tantek it's how we've gotten as far as we have
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shaners tantek: shit yeah they are
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Jihaisse cool !
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Jihaisse With the Social plugin for wordpress I've got all links where my content is POSSEd, I will just need to modify SemPress to show them.
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Jihaisse I will ask pfefferle
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iamshane.com edited /video (-193) "/* removed URL note on Homesteading assets domain */" (view diff)
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shaners !tell tantek Maybe put an `autofocus` attr on the login page "Your Domain" field?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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shaners aaronpk: or do you have commit to the wiki codebase?
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shaners i'm out. night, all.
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@michielbdejong @t any #indieweb events near SFO in the week of 11 Nov? will talk about @unhosted at #qconsf and would love to meet up! (twitter.com/_/status/395833957943504897)
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@jothut Blog post webmention reply test Two - by barney | Dvlp http://jothut.com/cgi-bin/d16augjunco.pl/blogpost/589/Blog-post-webmention-reply-test-Two via @jothut (twitter.com/_/status/395837975977684992)
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@knitatoms @aral Hi Aral, I mentioned this at IndieWebCamp, now finally launched and functional: http://keybits.net still requires enthusiast :-) (twitter.com/_/status/395842164254445568)
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@yatil Downgraded my https://join.app.net/ account to free: https://alpha.app.net/yatil/post/13949575 #adn #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/395843470503727104)
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Loqi barnabywalters: snarfed left you a message on 10/30 at 1:29pm: re FB links, yeah, it's "magic" UI. it automatically appears when you paste a link into the text box.
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jihais.se edited /User:Jihais.se (+46) "add an image" (view diff)
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pfefferle oh, the comment presentation has changed from h-entry to h-cite http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#How_to_markup
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pfefferle is a comment really a citation?
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jihais.se uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:jihaisse m.jpg]]""
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barnabywalters pfefferle: it’s a reference to (possibly expanded) content elsewhere on the web, as opposed to your original content
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pfefferle ok, but that only counts for webmentions/pingbacks?
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barnabywalters why would the underlying notification infrastructure matter?
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pfefferle i meant that in opposite to a comment made directly on my site
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pfefferle using a comment form
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barnabywalters ah okay
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pfefferle comments through webmentions or so => h-cite … comments through form => h-entry ???
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barnabywalters not sure about that, probably best ask tantek as he understands the semantics of h-entry vs h-cite better than I do
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barnabywalters add it to an issues section on comment-presentation#how to markup
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pfefferle ok, will do
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notizblog.org edited /comments-presentation (+168) "/* How to markup */" (view diff)
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jihais.se edited /User:Jihais.se (+1160) "my indieweb setup" (view diff)
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notizblog.org edited /comments-presentation (+36) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
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Jihaisse hi barnabywalters and pfefferle
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barnabywalters morning Jihaisse
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pfefferle hey Jihaisse
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Jihaisse pfefferle: I would like to add rel-syndication on sempress
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Jihaisse but I think this is very "plugin specific"
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pfefferle I also thought about that… I think we should do it with a plugin...
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Jihaisse for example, I uses Social (http://wordpress.org/plugins/social/) for POSSE, and I know that the plugin store in the DB, the links to fb and twitter
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Jihaisse pfefferle: you mean, a third plugin that connect sempress to any plugin that do POSSE ?
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pfefferle yes, some kind of a wordpress-syndication plugin that tries to add everything the plugins are not implementing correctly
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Jihaisse why not
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Jihaisse sounds good to me
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Jihaisse so we have to make a list of known plugins that do POSSE
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Jihaisse and integrate them one by one
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pfefferle you can find a list at the wordpress site
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pfefferle i wouldn't integrate more than these
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Jihaisse exactly
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Jihaisse there are 3 or 4 plugins
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pfefferle start with the one you are using
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Jihaisse for sure !
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pfefferle i will add jetpack if it is possible...
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Jihaisse ok, add this on my TODO
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Jihaisse I don't know if there is a way to detect what plugin is installed and used
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pfefferle you don't have to… you can check if the db-field is set or not
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pfefferle bbiab
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Jihaisse ok
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jihais.se edited /User:Jihais.se (+393) "add working on section" (view diff)
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@stefek99 #IndieWebCamp - thank you for inspiration... I am still amazed by the weekend in Brighton. Love! (twitter.com/_/status/395898607200501762)
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Jihaisse pfefferle: How do you manage your working copy for wordpress svn and Github ?
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Jihaisse the same folder for both ?
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pfefferle I use github as version-control system and copy the code to the wordpress-svn if i want to release a new version
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Jihaisse ok
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Jihaisse http://ben.lobaugh.net/blog/90633/creating-a-synchronized-github-fork-of-a-wordpress-org-subversion-plugin-repository
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Jihaisse I found this
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Jihaisse pfefferle: do you have an idea for the name of the wordpress-syndication plugin ?
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Jihaisse wordpress-syndication ?
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pfefferle why not :)
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Jihaisse ok, let's go
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Jihaisse https://github.com/jihaisse/wordpress-syndication
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Jihaisse this will be there
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Jihaisse pfefferle: do we have to modify sempress, or do we call a do_action to push markup somewhere ?
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Jihaisse for example in the entry-footer.php
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pfefferle you can use add_filter( 'the_content', 'your_function_name')
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pfefferle to add the links to the bottom of the post
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Jihaisse oh ok
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Jihaisse I'm very new to wordpress :/
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pfefferle no problem :)
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pfefferle here are some examples http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugin_API/Filter_Reference/the_content
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pfefferle the function has the content as param… you can extend it with your html like: return $content . "<ul><li>…</li></ul>";
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Jihaisse I'm on this page, thanks
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Jihaisse pfefferle: ok, that print out : http://jihais.se/2013/10/31/la-nsa-piraterait-les-datacenter-de-google-et-yahoo/
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Jihaisse the link is hard written
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Jihaisse ;)
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pfefferle nice!
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Jihaisse I've get the markup from aaronpk
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pfefferle if the link is in the me postmeta table you can get it via http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/get_post_meta
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Jihaisse thanks !
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Jihaisse I will have a look at how social make the link
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Jihaisse pfefferle: in the DB, I've got a nice string ;)
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Jihaisse something like a:2:{s:7:"twitter";a:1:{i:80243;a:1:{i:395818009568108545;……….
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barnabywalters looks like a serialised PHP array
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Jihaisse yes
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pfefferle in which table?
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Jihaisse wp_postmeta
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Loqi tantek: shaners left you a message 7 hours, 4 minutes ago: Maybe put an `autofocus` attr on the login page "Your Domain" field?
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pfefferle use the function i sent you earlier
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pfefferle it deserializes the string automattic
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pfefferle ups automatic
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Jihaisse great
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Jihaisse I try this
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tantek !tell aaronpk what do you think of shaner's suggestion? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-10-31/line/1383234361
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell shaners any reason to remove the note on the /video page about your implementation using directly links to Amazon AWS S3 storage? Other implementations have similar notes. http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=video&curid=946&diff=5684&oldid=4608&rcid=5749
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek good question about the markup for comments that are only stored with a post (as opposed to syndicated in comments via webmention/pingback)
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tantek probably a good time to review the full lot of http://microformats.org/wiki/comment and the pages it links to - and update it in the context of microformats2 and what we've discovered / learned through IndieWeb uses, h-cite etc.
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@jothut IndieWebCamp principles for building the indie Web - by JR | JotHut http://jothut.com/cgi-bin/junco.pl/blogpost/834/08Oct2013/IndieWebCamp-principles-for-building-the-indie-Web (twitter.com/_/status/395985906265378816)
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barnabywalters anyone want to try breaking http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/ for me?
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barnabywalters should be able to drag modules to the render area, connect up compatible inputs/outputs
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KevinMarks_ how do I make it fetch things?
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barnabywalters KevinMarks_: there’s no backend logic yet, I’m just building the UI
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barnabywalters it’s *almost* at the stage now where I can start making it actually do stuff :)
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KevinMarks_ flashback to j.mp/longpipe
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KevinMarks_ I think all those services are dead now
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barnabywalters ooh, hadn’t heard of longpipe — working link?
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barnabywalters I’m basing the structure and UI from yahoo pipes, which still exists
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barnabywalters but is a bit crippled due to yahoo killing off a lot of it’s ecosystem — alerts, translation, etc.
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KevinMarks_ that was just me wiring together a load of parsing services that took URLs
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barnabywalters oh wow okay
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KevinMarks_ when twitter had hcards, technorati could turn them into vcards, plaxo could make vcards into PoCo, and I ran an JSON to XOXO service
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barnabywalters KevinMarks_: did all those endpoints have HTML forms which you could put the URL into?
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KevinMarks_ I should revive that one
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Loqi I agree
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barnabywalters I have some Ideas…
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KevinMarks_ they did iirc
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barnabywalters so, what I want to do is for you to be able to drag the URL of forms like that into indie pipes/itnertubes/whatever
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barnabywalters and it’ll parse the HTML form and turn it into a module
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barnabywalters effectively making any public form on the web programmable
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barnabywalters the tricky thing is going to be parsing the output format — parsing mf is easy, for simple string or boolean values it’s a little more tricky
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KevinMarks_ I take it back, the middle 2 services are up
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KevinMarks_ http://www.plaxo.com/pdata/vcard?vcardUrl=feeds.technorati.com%2Fcontacts%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks_ so I should fix mine, though probably not at cgi-bin
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barnabywalters huh, so technorati just redirect to h2vx?
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barnabywalters interesting
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi sweet dreams
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KevinMarks_ this is why it's nice to have services that work with GET as well as POST
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tantek FYI: https://twitter.com/t/status/396004147495186433
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@t Reminder: LAST DAY to export @Dopplr data.
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@bretolius @Baxley The folks at http://indiewebcamp.com/why are working hard to brew the necessary tools and ideas to address these problems. Check it out! (twitter.com/_/status/396015908964945920)
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bret aww crap manual posse fail
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@Baxley RT @bretolius: @Baxley The folks at http://indiewebcamp.com/why are working hard to brew the necessary tools and ideas to address these problems… (twitter.com/_/status/396031680555020288)
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