#indiewebcamp 2013-11-04

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tantek.com edited /bookmark (+54) "silos" (view diff)
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi see you in the morning!
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aaronpk bret: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/11/03/4/
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aaronpk rknLA: how does HMAC work with giant post bodies?
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rknLA aaronpk: you mean in terms of the size of the resulting signature?
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aaronpk more in terms of performance in creating and validating
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rknLA validating is an equality check,
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rknLA creating depends on the implementation.. not sure what the performance is.
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aaronpk oh cool there's a built in PHP implementation http://php.net/manual/en/function.hash-hmac.php
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rknLA yep, i think it's built into most languages
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aaronpk areyou going to hard-code the signature method?
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rknLA i was going to, but it could be parameterized.
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rknLA i think most implementations support SHA-1
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aaronpk more room for things to go wrong if parameterized, probably safe to do sha256
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rknLA sha256 is slower
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rknLA http://jsperf.com/hmac-of-short-message-using-sha-1-and-sha-256/2
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rknLA hm, although... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html
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rknLA going with 256
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rknLA aaronpk: it looks like that php library only supports outputting that as hex?
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aaronpk rknLA: what other output would there be? raw binary data?
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rknLA raw binary, base64 encoded,
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rknLA node supports those three. http://nodejs.org/api/crypto.html#crypto_hmac_digest_encoding
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aaronpk oh there's a flag in the PHP version to output the raw data
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XgF "5.3.0 Support for md2, ripemd256, ripemd320, salsa10, salsa20, snefru256 and sha224 was added" wtf PHP? salsa10/20 aren't hash functions!
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XgF They're stream ciphers, or, more precisely, 256->256 bit mapper functions designed to be used with the Snuffle 2008 function as fast, secure stream ciphers
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aaronpk tantek: https://github.com/hotsh/rstat.us/tree/eba08300f6b408b20099005a2c38acc781cd4dda
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rknLA hm. it looks like js is actually really bad at dealing with hex data.
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rknLA i'm leaning towards base64 encoded
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aaronpk original base64 encoded is fine iwth me
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rknLA cool
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aaronpk OH: "Your blog should not be an adventure game" -t
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bret cool aaronpk, we can get that filled in soon hopefully :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+497) "blocked on deleted posts" (view diff)
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tantek interesting: https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/91e7d3c1a396
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@aaronpk @jessebmiller Great to hear your thoughts on building your online identity! Keep in mind that the Medium... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/11/03/5/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/397166107737329664)
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bret microformats-2-implied-properties is what makes uF2 so awsome
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bret and is pump's saving grace right now XD
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bret i have a question about uF2 posting in #microformats
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bret aaronpk: how does this look? how does this look? http://98.246.152.102:8080/bret/image/W3AEN3XXSqO4wKlpDdg24w
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bret http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2F98.246.152.102%3A8080%2Fbret%2Fimage%2FW3AEN3XXSqO4wKlpDdg24w
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bret meh, I'll start the PR with evan, but I still would like some feedback. Let me know if those links go dead, it means the server shut down
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@bretolius @evanpro Here are the results from my first dive into pump.io this weekend for @indiewebcamp hollywood: http://bret.io/2013/11/03/t1/ Digging it! (twitter.com/_/status/397216051638710272)
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snarfed here's my indiewebcamp hack for the day:
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snarfed https://twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com/
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snarfed https://facebook-activitystreams.appspot.com/
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snarfed https://instagram-activitystreams.appspot.com/
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snarfed click the Authenticate link, then choose json-mf2 or html from the format dropdown
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snarfed (facebook's API is a bit slow right now
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snarfed if it 500s, try @self instead of @all)
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snarfed similar to php-mf2-shim, but actually uses the sites' APIs instead of scraping their HTML
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snarfed next step, webmentions!
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bret w00t!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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aaronpk tantek: https://www.google.com/search?q=pinned+post+forums+-facebook
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rknLA aaronpk: wound up deciding to write to json files at the airport. https://github.com/rknLA/geo.rkn.la/blob/master/index.js#L27-L28
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aaronpk hah nice
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aaronpk that's what my debugging version does
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+40) "/* Schedule */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+464) "/* Sessions */ stub session links" (view diff)
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Jihaisse Hello
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tantek.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+85) "/* Sessions */ clarify etherpad vs wiki pages, current state" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Introductions (+812) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/Hollywood/Introductions (+29) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Persistent_Location_Tracking (+1969) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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@t nice #IndieWebCamp Hollywood @Farmhouse. discussed: * composite feeds * pinned posts * travel data and more: http://tantek.com/2013/307/t3/indiewebcamp-hollywood-composite-pinned-posts (twitter.com/_/status/397270978562379776)
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@elfpavlik RT @t: nice #IndieWebCamp Hollywood @Farmhouse. discussed: * composite feeds * pinned posts * travel data and more: http://tantek.com/2013/307/t3/indiewebcamp-hollywood-composite-pinned-posts (twitter.com/_/status/397271135110565888)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Sharing_Travel_Plans (+547) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Creating_a_Simple_Blogging_Site (+530) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Hacking_on_Pump.io (+370) "Created page with "* http://bret.io (Remote participant in IRC) I'm working on setting up a local pump.io enviroment with the eventual goal of sending some PRs to make pump.io indieweb friendly. ..."" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Bridging_IndieWeb_to_Silos (+472) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Composite_Feeds (+717) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+92) "/* Sessions */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Pagination (+1564) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /2013/Hollywood/Pinning_Posts (+539) "copy from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /Category:2013/Hollywood (+60) "Created page with "Sessions from [[2013/Hollywood|IndieWebCamp Hollywood 2013]]"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/Hollywood (+12) "/* Day 1 */" (view diff)
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Jihaisse indieAuth Links updated. http://wordpress.org/plugins/indieauth-links/
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Jihaisse Added support of SMS & Persona
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Jeena nice
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Jihaisse thanks
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matthias_pfeffer so, yigg now also supports mf2 http://yigg.de/profil/pfefferle
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matthias_pfeffer next on the list: webmentions
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Jihaisse great job pfefferle
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pfefferle thanks
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Jihaisse what is yigg ?
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pfefferle some kind of the german digg ;)
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Jihaisse okay !
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Jihaisse http://yigg.de/
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Jihaisse oups
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barnabywalters pfefferle: awesome!
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pfefferle thanks :)
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barnabywalters small bugfix: p-title should be p-name
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pfefferle oh thanks
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pfefferle will fix that for the next release
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amz3 hi :-)
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@_amz3_ Actually @indiewebcamp inscription is pretty easy http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain (twitter.com/_/status/397375865350135810)
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barnabywalters greetings amz3!
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bret hey amz3
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amz3 thanks for the warm welcome
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bret barnabywalters will you check my micro formats real quick?
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barnabywalters bret: doing work things but send me the link, I’ll have a look in downtime
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bret http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2F98.246.152.102%3A8080%2Fbret%2Fnote%2F_BbqAl-dQyenM1feGQy3NA
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bret the "name" value gets filled out, even though I dont define it
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barnabywalters oh yeah that’s supposed to happen
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bret ok
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barnabywalters name is an implied property
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barnabywalters if it’s not defined explicitly then it’s just the innertext of the element
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amz3 I am reading (again) things about indie web, and how they are related with my objectives. I agree with http://indiewebcamp.com/Principles especially I have a strong point against monoculture
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bret i figured it was something like that
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bret nice amz3! how did you find IWC?
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amz3 bret: I don't remember, maybe looking for “indie + web” in a search engine
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amz3 I discovered it one or two years ago
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amz3 but as of yet, I didn't commit myself much... regarding owning my data, because I try to build a software stack that is not very popular yet, and it takes time
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amz3 I understand that indie web, is not only forking the web
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amz3 “forking” but building a web that is more personnal, isn't it ?
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bret hehe cool! me too! i got involved right before the portland conference
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amz3 I dream to go to Portland once, It seems like a magical place (I'm in France)
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amz3 I mean, I hear so much about Portland
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amz3 good things, a lot of things seem to happen there, like indiewebcamp
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cweiske xdg-open was invented there
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Jihaisse amz3: greeting french fellow
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bret its a collection of different people trying different things, but primarily its about creating tools to do what we want
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amz3 Jihaisse: greeting :)
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bret enabling solio level UI/UX but on our own sites
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Jihaisse I will not say 'patriote'
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bret Portland is great! But I want to go to france! :(
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Jihaisse 1 more french on indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters so, how long until the first indiewebcampFR? :)
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barnabywalters there must be enough people by now
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Jihaisse maybe
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Jihaisse 5 or 6 people
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neuro` barnabywalters: we've been talking about that with xtof for monthes, but I guess none of us has thetime to organize it
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Jihaisse that's right
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bret I think I'll need a real job before I can make it though
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bret brb ttyl amz3
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bret ok back
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@lawouach @russmiles @mdavid http://webmention.io/ Kindda reminds of LLUP. (twitter.com/_/status/397403334547877888)
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JonathanNeal hello!
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JonathanNeal Any folks in LA?
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aaronpk|m interesting https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/llup/ZAqw_tCYa9Y
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aaronpk|m LLUP from 2006-2007
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aaronpk|m JonathanNeal: hi! Yes, still in LA!
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JonathanNeal Greetings from your neighbor in Disneyland!
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aaronpk|m Planning to go to the farmhouse this morning before we take off for Redlands
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bret have fun... I'll be around
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bret in irc that is
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JonathanNeal aaronpk: where are you going to in Redlands?
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aaronpk esri headquarters!
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bret JonathanNeal: your at disneyland?
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JonathanNeal Just a few miles from there, yes.
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bret Oh I thought you were in the park XD
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bret aaronpk: whats going on today?
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JonathanNeal bret: i'd love to find a place to work in there.
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JonathanNeal Maybe Tomorrow Land.
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bret It would probrably be fun
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bret but i also get the impression management is super uptight
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aaronpk bret: not sure, i'm not going to be around for most of it
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bret JonathanNeal: great post on favicons :)
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@kevinmarks @independentid is this is the #indieweb SIlo http://indiewebcamp.com/silos vs monoculture http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture distinction? (twitter.com/_/status/397431736507711488)
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JonathanNeal Thanks, I wish there was a way to mark posts as relevant or out-dated.
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bret is it out of date?
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JonathanNeal I don't know, but browsers are always changing.
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JonathanNeal And IE6 support is such a null issue now.
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bret Sure, but its the other information thats interesting
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bret favicon documentation is such a cluge
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bret this ties it all together
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bret JonathanNeal: you could always just update and add a header to the article about its relevancy?
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JonathanNeal It would be great to have a repository of articles that the community can continually tag for relevancy. "accurate as of ... " that way folks like me who write articles don't necessarily have to re-read our own material every few months.
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JonathanNeal I barely write as it is.
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bret Thats a great idea actuaally
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bret actually*
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bret For something that moves as fast as the web
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bret.io created /2013/Hollywood/ (+28) "Added redirect to main article" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal mornin' tantek
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bret reading through the eitherpad.... I love the counting up pages concept
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+97) (view diff)
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@kevinmarks a post from @timbray that illustrates the need for identity binding rather than single sign-on https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2013/11/02/Oauth-2-refresh-token-trick #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/397463616019918848)
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XgF I think theres room for both "OAuth style associatins" and "Proof of identity", where in the latter you need not tell the IDP who you're talking to
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XgF I just wish OAuth 2 was a better spec :(
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snarfed.org edited /2013/Hollywood (+455) "add myself" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /discovery (+316) "/* Public Keys */ Discussion of QR codes" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /events/2013-11-01-indieweb-dinner (+22) "/* text file sync across personal devices */" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /2013/Hollywood/Bridging_IndieWeb_to_Silos (+320) "add demo links" (view diff)
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tantek good afternoon indiewebcamp
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neuro` Good evening tantek
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KevinMarks hello T
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KevinMarks how's LA doing?
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snarfed1 afternoon!
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bret yeah any updates from todays hack session>
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bret ?
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Loqi shaners: tantek left you a message 4 days, 6 hours ago: any reason to remove the note on the /video page about your implementation using directly links to Amazon AWS S3 storage? Other implementations have similar notes. http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=video&curid=946&diff=5684&oldid=4608&rcid=5749
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tantek !tell jlsuttles https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/tests/Mf2/URLTest.php
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi jlsuttles: tantek left you a message 12 minutes ago: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/tests/Mf2/URLTest.php
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aaronpk jlsuttles: that's the sweet test suite I was talking about :)
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jlsuttles Perfect :)
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aaronpk barnabywalters was working on a way to write the test suite as an HTML document with microformats so that we can generate test code in separate languages from the same test data :)
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snarfed1 aaronpk: that sounds awesome, i'd fork (and use) that
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aaronpk yeah i'm pretty excited about that too