#indiewebcamp 2013-11-28

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@benwerd Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405862738024730624)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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@domenicoperri RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405864753803067392)
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405867265146355713)
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KevinMarks !tell benwerd great article
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek indeed
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KevinMarks I just signed up to give a talk at Le Web called "The Web We Found" which is pretty much an IndieWeb pitch...
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KevinMarks and a response to "The Web We Lost"
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@kevinmarks @JamieXML @digiphile @Zee quite, that's the point of the #indieweb ideas - the web without the single points of failure (twitter.com/_/status/405868560431337472)
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tantek KevinMarks - that is brilliant
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@bear RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405868757979242496)
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tantek KevinMarks - the Web We Found that is
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tantek much more constructive
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tantek OTOH responding to someone with XML in their twitter handle … ;)
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@digiphile @kevinmarks @JamieXML @Zee indeed. you tweet more about the #indieweb than anyone else I follow. Helpful window - or hyperlink, if you well (twitter.com/_/status/405869064653783040)
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tantek … who doesn't even have his own website.
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tantek and instead sharecrops his identity on about.me
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tantek routed through a j.mp URL shortener
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tantek I can't tell if that's satire or not
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks and I get to use both meanings of found. Should be fun, now I just need to write it and find somewhere to crash in paris.
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tantek sounds like an adventure ;)
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tantek KevinMarks, snarfed - writing up issue 1 of the Homebrew Website Club newsletter (based on the Homebrew Computer Club newsletter)
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tantek I'm using Etherpad and will be borrowing heavily from existing published materials
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tantek please feel free to contribute / edit: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/hwc
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KevinMarks neat. I'll miss meeting #2 as I'll be on plane to London
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tantek my goal is to get the newsletter out tonight
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tantek and then the event post for next week's posted tomorrow
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tantek which of course involves a lot of Thanksgiving day personal website coding - a fine tradition :)
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tantek dinner time, back in a bit.
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/08/23/web-design-conferences-and-events/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/08/23/web-design-conferences-and-events/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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@paddyforan RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405886053740851200)
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@JasonCArmstrong RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405889209447104512)
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@atmoMedia #socialmedia #smm #tech #news | Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb | ;-} (twitter.com/_/status/405893304417792000)
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@IndieAssistant RT @lisa298: Out in Business is FREE this weekend, why not read a taster now http://lisafulham298.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/sinful-sunday-trains-stockings-and-suits/ #SuitPorn #Stockings #Erotic #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/405895546348785664)
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tantek.com uploaded /File:2013-324-hwc-2.JPG "Jay explains what she wants to do with her own site at the Homebrew Website Club meeting."
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@Peachy1me RT @lisa298: Out in Business is FREE this weekend, why not read a taster now http://lisafulham298.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/sinful-sunday-trains-stockings-and-suits/ #SuitPorn #Stockings #Erotic #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/405950759000612864)
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@Cameron_Lincoln RT @lisa298: Out in Business is FREE this weekend, why not read a taster now http://lisafulham298.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/sinful-sunday-trains-stockings-and-suits/ #SuitPorn #Stockings #Erotic #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/405951518945189888)
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@KarenaMontreal RT @lisa298: Out in Business is FREE this weekend, why not read a taster now http://lisafulham298.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/sinful-sunday-trains-stockings-and-suits/ #SuitPorn #Stockings #Erotic #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/405953112537837568)
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@DanHiscocks RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405953645474484224)
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@AAinslie RT @benwerd: Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/405967970700378112)
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Jihaisse Bonjour
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Jihaisse Hello :)
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@inboundnews Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/406094220982624256)
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@soclpie Building the user-centered web: an update http://werd.io/2013/building-the-user-centered-web-an-update-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/406106986258776065)
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snarfed happy thanksgiving indiewebcamp!
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@JayGreasley @aral I think indiewebcamp, the work by you, @t and @adactio et al is very important (twitter.com/_/status/406135848917168128)
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@t @JayGreasley thanks for the kind words! Thankful to work with kind-hearted smart folks @adactio @aral et al. #indieweb (ttk.me t4TH1) (twitter.com/_/status/406152415004868609)
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tantek Happy Thanksgiving #indiewebcamp! (at least for those of you celebrating the US holiday, I've been informed by @evanpro that Canadian Thanksgiving was a few weeks ago)
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neuro` Happy thanksgiving tantek
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tommorris tantek: we had a thanksgiving dinner last weekend in london. with one American - hadleybeeman :)
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tantek ah excellent
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tantek well I see she's in the channel - so Happy Thanksgiving to you hadleybeeman
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tantek thanks neuro`
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hadleybeeman Thanks, Tantek! Hope you're having a good Thanksgiving too — with your family or otherwise. :)
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hadleybeeman And happy Thanksgiving to the rest of #indiewebcamp too!
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shaners example: http://sbb.me/n4TH2
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tantek thank hadleybeeman!
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tantek thanks*
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hadleybeeman :) you're welcome
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tantek working on last minute edits to the first Homebrew Website Club Newsletter
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hadleybeeman Nice! It'll be good to see what came of it.
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tantek want to take a look at a draft?
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@aScratchyThroat Building the user-centered web: an update #indieweb http://feedly.com/e/A5OHHTwA?utm_content=buffer21d75&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer (twitter.com/_/status/406189029080973312)
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shaners tantek: how do i make http://indiewebcamp.com/homesteading redirect to http://indiewebcamp.com/Homesteading ?
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tantek shaners - you could view source on any of the redirects I've been creating ;)
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tantek (even edit them and copy/paste)
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shaners tantek: for example... http://indiewebcamp.com/Owncloud
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shaners is that a redirect page?
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shaners nm i figured it out
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shaners my brain is full of nog
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tantek it is now
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tantek ;)
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hadleybeeman I can if you like, tantek?
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tantek shaners, hadleybeeman (and others) for your editorial review: http://tantek.com/2013/332/b1/homebrew-website-club-newsletter
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shaners tantek: i'm happy that you're doing this and that there's interest. but i don't understand the naming difference between indieweb vs homebrew website. please halp my nog brain.
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tantek shaners - indieweb has a pretty tall bar
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tantek e.g. having your own domain, setting it up with indieauth, etc.
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shaners what's the homebrew website bar?
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tantek indieweb is more craftsman/designers etc.
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tantek homebrew website club (just like the homebrew computer club) is open to anyone who even just *wants to* setup their own personal website (computer), even if they don't have their own domain (computer)
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tantek and inspired as such
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shaners ok
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tantek or I could just ask you to RTFM the inspiration for Homebrew Website Club: http://tantek.com/2013/322/b1/homebrew-computer-club-reunion-inspiration
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shaners i did read your first post. i still subscribe to your RSS of your site. :P
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hadleybeeman +1 to shaners's confusion. I found that difficult to understand as well.
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tantek having an in-person purely interest-based group/club/meeting will help broaden read
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shaners nods
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tantek s/read/reach
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Loqi tantek meant to say: having an in-person purely interest-based group/club/meeting will help broaden reach
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tantek and help build greater empathy among builders & designers for what everyone wants in a personal website
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tantek hadleybeeman, shaners, perhaps I should have emphasized this rhetorical question in my original post: "what if we cloned some aspects of the Homebrew Computer Club and created an equivalent for personal websites? "
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tantek that's the best short form explanation
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shaners shrugs
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shaners your in-channel explanation cleared it up for me: a place for people who are already building or are interested in building
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tantek shaners - it's useful to have focused forums for builders/creators, and broader forums for anyone interested in a subject area to encourage cross-pollination and growing from a broader base
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shaners s/build/have/
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Loqi shaners meant to say: your in-channel explanation cleared it up for me: a place for people who are already haveing or are interested in haveing
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shaners "haveing"
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tantek plus - homebrew computer club obviously has/had some aspects that made it work especially well.
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hadleybeeman I think the explanation might be clearer if you start from "here's the problem we're trying to solve", go to "here's what's already being done", and then "here's why we need a Homebrew Computer Club."
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shaners totes
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tantek the "every two weeks" thing struck a chord
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hadleybeeman (Wherever it is you put that explanation)
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tantek hadleybeeman - the Homebrew Computer Club never did that, and succeeded just fine, so I respectfully disagree
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shaners yep. i agree on the regular, moderately frequent schedule
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tantek actually more than "just fine" - ridiculously well
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shaners Seattle.rb is that way. Every tuesday. And has been going for 10+ years now
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hadleybeeman I don't know enough about it to comment, tantek. But I'm just coming from my and shaners's expressed confusion. The landscape may be different for us now.
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tantek shaners - I asked about why every two weeks rather than every week
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tantek and the HCC members there made good points about why every 2 weeks worked better
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tantek other aspects: "right after work"
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tantek "no food at the meetings"
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shaners at seattle.rb, some of us would do nerd dinner after work/before nerd club
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tantek haldeybeeman "landscape may be different for us now." - needing more explanation now than the HCC did then? that doesn't make sense
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tantek shaners - exactly
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tantek providing the absence of dinner creates the opportunity for smaller groups to fork off and have more focused conversations at food after
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tantek or for folks to go have dinner with their families, or go on dinner dates instead etc.
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tantek "lack of food" adds flexibility
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tantek as does the "right after work" timing
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hadleybeeman tantek: the Homebrew Computer Club may not have had a pre-existing IndieWebCamp equivalent to confuse people.
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tantek hadleybeeman - perhaps
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tantek yet isn't there a contradiction there - that more information would cause confusion?
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hadleybeeman I don't think so…? If the Homebrew Computer Club came out of nowhere, then the story they need to tell is "Here's why we should do this!"
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hadleybeeman If the Homebrew Website Club is developed as part of a broader movement or strategy (or is parallel to the focus of an existing group), then some people might be confused… so clarification could be helpful.
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tantek hadleybeeman - if HCC did come out of nowhere - note from their invitation/newsletters they never told a "Here's why we should do this!" - they just did it
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tantek I think there may be an exaggerated expressed need for "why we should do this" explanations - in that they seem theoretically needed, but weren't needed in practice for something to succeed.
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tantek it's less about convincing people of anything ("should") and more about attracting folks already thinking/feeling similarly and gaining mutual support
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tantek thus I think HCC's emphasis on description rather than explanation/should/why - http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V1_01/
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barnabywalters show don’t tell ;)
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tantek hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters good evening #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters happy thanksgiving to whoever’s celebrating it
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tantek yeah, it sounds like there's some corollary to show don't tell
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hadleybeeman Okay, that seems rational. At least you've thought that through.
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tantek like describe don't pitch
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tantek ok posted
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tantek thanks everyone
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