#indiewebcamp 2013-11-29

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tantek tommorris - Modestmaps vs Leaflet - any opinion?
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tantek notes that both benwerd and barnabywalters seem to use Leaflet. Was going to use Modestmaps (seems simpler to use), and now wondering if they explicitly chose Leaflet instead for a reason.
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tantek !tell benwerd, barnabywalters noticed you're using Leaflet for displaying a map rectangle (e.g. on checkins http://werd.io/2013/checked-into-ucsf-medical-center-4 or geo posts http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/903/ ) any reason for Leaflet over say Modestmaps? http://maps.stamen.com/#terrain/12/37.7706/-122.3782
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@grantmacken My URL therefore I am #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/406267411684265984)
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tantek good evening indiewebcamp
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+334) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ more info on barnabywalters and tommorris implementations with examples links" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Ferocity (+127) "link to tommorris's explicit public to do list for Ferocity" (view diff)
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tantek is looking into http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim#Search to convert structured addresses into lat/long
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KartikPrabhu Hello indiewebcamp folks! I have attempted to implement webmention on my site. I'd be great if some of you helped test it out! http://127.0.0.1:8000/article/no-comment#webmention-form
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KartikPrabhu oops wrong url: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/no-comment#webmention-form
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tantek KartikPrabhu - what's "Parallel Transport"?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: as in the meaning of the name?
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tantek just wondering if it's a content hosting project or something else?
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KartikPrabhu oh, it is my personal blog/website place
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tantek "place"? not "project"
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tantek ?
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KartikPrabhu it is a project of sorts. I blog on the site. posting some articles and photography. I also use it to experiment with web-design ideas
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KartikPrabhu tantek - I saw your microformats talk at SF--html5 today. you might have converted me from rdfa to microformats
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tantek KartikPrabhu - very cool about starting your own project - I'm a big fan of that :)
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tantek perhaps consider adding a short description of "Parallel Transport" to the end of this section: http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#experimental
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KartikPrabhu now I agree! moving from Blogger was very liberating. Learnt quite a few things along the way
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tantek and thanks for your kind words! I'm always hoping to provide practical guidance for HTML5 (with microformats and other aspects too)
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KartikPrabhu tantek - very well. I shall do that soon. Thanks!
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tantek awesome
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tantek ooh you've got a relative URL for your webmention endpoint discovery - I wonder how many webmention discovery parsers that might (unintentionally) break
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tantek it's a good test case
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KartikPrabhu intesting. I thought I had a absolute url (taking guidance from others on idiewebcamp) but if it is a good test case I shall leave it up
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tantek also you might be interested in checking your home page (and post permalinks) with http://indiewebify.me/
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tantek yes - please feel free to leave it as is
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KartikPrabhu thanks again for the testing resource. I'll get to that soon too. Though I suspect I might not pass most of the microformats
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tantek Kartik - your post permalink had a good h-entry
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KartikPrabhu yes a few of them are on. but I am still getting the hang of it and adding bits and parts as I go along
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tantek it's all good - this is a good place to get iterative incremental help with that sort of thing
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KartikPrabhu yes! I also like how modular and incremental the whole setup of microformats is. Good for hacking around and learning
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julian` whats the name for "coding" .bat files
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tantek scripting?
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/no-comment linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/no-comment linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (webmention)
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julian` do you know if its possible to make a .bat file restart when it closes
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tantek KartikPrabhu looks like you're sending webmentions!
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tantek julian` I was just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batch_file
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KartikPrabhu tantek - yeah I am testing it with the tool you suggested. I still am planning to implement automatic sending of mentions when an article is published!
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julian` hmm cant find what im looking for thats annoying
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KartikPrabhu julian` - me neither. seems to be a tricky thing to do
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julian` the batch file just runs a ruby script so maybe itd be easier to achieve what i want in the ruby script
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KartikPrabhu what is it you want to do in the end?
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julian` well i want this ruby script to be running 24/7 however when it gets an error the cmd prompt closes which is annoying since i have to keep restarting it
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KartikPrabhu a naive way i can think of is to use another bat file to check if the first one is running and restart if not. But that sounds 'dirty'
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julian` that sounds genius to me!
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tantek I have a general web server error question that doesn't seem to be explained on the internets...
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tantek any idea how to debug when your server seems to return a lot of " The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." ?
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KartikPrabhu julian` - there has to be a better way with all this technology we have
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KartikPrabhu tantek - I got nothing. that seems particularly nasty/out of my league
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julian` if i understood ruby error catching better i could probably use it to catch error and restart the script
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KartikPrabhu that would have been my first suggestion but I know less about ruby that you might
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julian` gives me an excuse to learn it
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julian` when i get some time lol
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KartikPrabhu Julian` - how about this little tutorial thing: http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/html/tut_exceptions.html
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KartikPrabhu tantek - It seems that the correct way to markup authorship would be to to have p-author in every h-entry. But if only one author posts on a site, is it not redundant to have p-author on every post, when the site already is markedup with meta name-author in the head?
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tantek well meta name author is invisible metadata so a bad idea
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tantek however, <link rel=author href=.. > is better since it merely links to a page with then should visibly have the author name etc. in an h-card
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tantek similarly a rel=author works
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KartikPrabhu yes. but from a reader's point of view having the same author's name appear on every article seems unnecssary
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KartikPrabhu i mean on a personal blog
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tantek on permalink pages it makes sense
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tantek as part of the h-entry on the page
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tantek but on a home page where there's a whole stream of entries - then yes I agree it gets redundant
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tantek hence you can also use h-feed to put an author at top
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tantek and then have h-entry children inside that h-feed
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KartikPrabhu I see. I'll have to give it more thought.
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julian` can someone show me what a hcard looks like
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KartikPrabhu this is where i looked it up: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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julian` i was reading that but it doesnt give an example in a browser
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julian` is it just the naming that changes
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KartikPrabhu h-card is not to change the appearance of something. You should use CSS for that. h-card only marksup data in a meanigful way
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tantek julian - in a browser it just looks like text contact info, perhaps optionally with an image
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julian` isnt it bad practice to use more classes than needed
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KartikPrabhu depends on what you are using it for. Here classes are used to give meaning to the data. you can actually use CSS with micrformat classes to make the look as you'd like
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julian` hmm okay ill keep it in mind
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KartikPrabhu i had similar concerns with microformats a while back
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KartikPrabhu but reading more, I think they're good
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julian` yeah it does seem like a good idea
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julian` rel="nofollow" etc
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tantek julian - it is bad practice to use more classes (or markup in general) than needed. hence microformats keeps the number/amount of classes to only the minimum needed to express the semantics needed.
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tantek well unfortunately rel=nofollow has largely been abused / overused
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tantek it's "succeeded" in that there's a lot of it out there, but it's failed to fulfill its original purpose. and worse, become a way for silos to punish the links of their first party users.
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KartikPrabhu tantek - that seems unavoidable given that HTML is not very strict
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julian` if browsers did start using hCards it would make it easier to contact site owners etc
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julian` is that the end goal?
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KartikPrabhu seems that is one of the goals. to have machine-readable data
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Jihaisse Hello
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KartikPrabhu hi!
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KartikPrabhu \quit
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@xtof_fr $ gem update jekyll (Mise á jour #jekyll 1-3-1 effectuée thx 2 @mattr_) #indieweb local site in progress http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-333 (twitter.com/_/status/406331612758962176)
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jonnybarnes Hi Loqi, just reading about you at the moment
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neuro` jonnybarnes: you're up all night to get Loqi ?
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jonnybarnes lol
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@mikekotsch I just backed #arkOS - https://fund.arkos.io/ #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/406451592775208961)
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KevinMarks_ morning indieweb
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barnabywalters morning KevinMarks_
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barnabywalters wonders if a trailing _ will ever become an honorific
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barnabywalters like david malki does with !
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KevinMarks_ mark it up as p-honorific-suffix?
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barnabywalters I’m not sure what it would signify
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barnabywalters IRC veteran with a bad connection?
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@kevinmarks @thisisaaronland looks like a possible #indieweb project: http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin (twitter.com/_/status/406468358083604480)
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KevinMarks_ IRC veteran with more than one computer?
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barnabywalters that too! IRC would be so much better if it supported continuous-client use
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KevinMarks_ irc protocol works ratehr well with crappy cell connections
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KevinMarks_ probably 'cos it was designed when the whole net had crappy intermittent connections
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KevinMarks_ it's not good at the idea that you might have more than one computer though
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bret KevinMarks_: you can always run a bouncer or a persistant irc program on a server
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pdurbin I haven't gotten into bouncers yet. I'm pretty happy with screen+weechat
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KevinMarks_ have you seen https://github.com/straup/privatesquare/tree/other-venues
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bret no that looks cool though
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kylewm does anyone happen to know why python-requests can't verify SSL on https://eschnou.com? I'm trying to send a webmention :)
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kylewm requests.get("https://eschnou.com", verify="/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt")
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kylewm gives "requests.exceptions.SSLError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:504: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed"
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kylewm (tried it with and without the verify=".." parameter)
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bret not sure, but it should work over http I think?
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kylewm hrm, I think it's redirecting me to http -> https either way
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kylewm requests.get('http://eschnou.com') does the same thing
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bret oh hrmm
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kylewm I think I will punt and juse do verify=False, thanks bret :)
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bret you could try a pingback too
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kylewm Hehe, I picked a bad thread to test webmentions on, he only supports pingbacks
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