#indiewebcamp 2014-01-23

2014-01-23 UTC
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j12t aaronpk -- whatever magic you did, it worked!
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aaronpk aha!
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aaronpk I updated the system "nss" package which has something to do with ssl
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aaronpk so that is good
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upon2020.com edited /WordPress (+87) "editorializing on NextScripts SNAP" (view diff)
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snarfed hmm, that wiki edit is wrong. snap is indeed aware of replies. http://www.nextscripts.com/snap-features/auto-import-comments-from-facebook-and-twitter/
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snarfed finds upon2020's nick
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snarfed oh it's j12t :P
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snarfed johannes, mind if i drop the "unaware of replies" part of that edit, given the link above?
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aaronpk or add "is aware of replies" with the citation? :)
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snarfed yup! it's already in /backfeed, but on WordPress is good too.
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j12t perhaps I'm not using it right?
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snarfed.org edited /backfeed (+103) "/* WordPress Plugins */" (view diff)
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snarfed not using the plugin right?
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snarfed.org edited /WordPress (+129) "/* POSSE */" (view diff)
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j12t I'm playing with different plugins. SNAP so far posts, but it's write-only. http://wordpress.org/plugins/social/ claims that it can pull in reactions
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j12t I haven't tried that yet
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snarfed i see. i've tried both, and also jetpack's publicize, but all a while ago.
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snarfed i never tried snap's backfeed, i just knew to point to that link that described it :P
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tantek good to see those questions being discussed
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tantek that's just the kind of thing that a new wordpress user would be confused about
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tantek aaronpk - haha - I got the same thing: "… is—or should be—friends with Bret Comnes."
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j12t snarfed -- finally I found the replies setting you pointed to. Doesn't help that the documentation and the code seem out of sync.
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snarfed j12t: yeah. snap has a lot of power and depth, but the polish is inconsistent
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bret that report card thing is weird :p
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tantek as was the article(s) that it linked to
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KartikPrabhu bear: looking at the Django URLValidator https://github.com/django/django/blob/master/django/core/validators.py#L48 That thing uses so many other functions from Django utils to work properly. Having Django as a requirement for ronkyuu seems like overkill
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tantek bret, aaronpk: https://blog.jcoglan.com/2013/11/15/why-github-is-not-your-cv/
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bear KartikPrabhu - agree, I was just pointing to it as a source of a regex and also possibly test cases
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bear definitely did not want to drag in all of django
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tantek aaronpk, bret particularly disturbing is the evidence of women being treated poorly on IRC/email etc.: https://twitter.com/taylorotwell/status/400355857172426752
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tantek so I will say this now explicitly - if anyone here (especially women, PoC, given the data in that thread) is harassed due to participation in #indiewebcamp, please let me or any other admin know - we want this channel to be welcoming and will take feedback/datapoints to improve
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tantek though this http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct is explicitly for IndieWebCamp events, I think it's reasonable for the channel as well
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aaronpk that's totally reasonable
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peat +1
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KartikPrabhu bear: of course! I was trying to write a custom class based on what Django is doing. But they have a lot many checks in place, like distinguishing between Py3 and Py2 string types!!
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bear KartikPrabhu - ah, did not see all that extra overhead (tho it would be nice to add soon)
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bear maybe we need a more data driven one - use urlparse and then pass in flags as to which part of a url is to be validated
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KartikPrabhu bear: will see let me attempt one tonight and we can improve from there
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bear +1
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Loqi [mention] http://upon2020.com/blog/2014/01/indieweb-posse-conversational-patterns-and-this-blog/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://upon2020.com/blog/2014/01/indieweb-posse-conversational-patterns-and-this-blog/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Wordpress (pingback)
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@Johannes_Ernst IndieWeb, POSSE, conversational patterns and this blog http://upon2020.com/blog/?p=1844 (twitter.com/_/status/426157489508192256)
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tantek j12t - there are people here who do separate streams (and home pages) for notes (tweets), and articles (blog posts)
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j12t This is the Mailchimp "social" Wordpress plugin. Trying to compare.
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tantek I myself have a blogpost-only feed for aggregation into Planet Mozilla
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tantek my default feed gets everything - and people say they like that. I've gotten very few requests for the articles-only feed.
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j12t How do you distinguish between them when posting?
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tantek you mean what's the difference between an article and a note? ;)
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j12t well I'm not sure whether the intelligence is in your brain, or in your software
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j12t in this particular situation, I mean :-)
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tantek a little of both :D
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j12t it's a different content type?
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tantek yes I use different explicit post types
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tantek per http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Kinds_of_Posts
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tantek but you may be interested in: http://indiewebcamp.com/Semantics_Of_Article-Note_Distinction
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bret yikes on those links tantek! Thats lame
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tantek bret - yeah. :/
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tantek It means it's something we have proactively look out for
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bret obvious 'fork me' reference was always obvious
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bret and unfortunate :p
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bret silly github, I'm surprised there isnt more pressure on them to drop the 'me' from those page badges
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snarfed j12t: many indieweb people separate their posts into explicit content types at the top level - note, article, photo, event, etc - but you don't have to
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snarfed i don't
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snarfed you want to include the right mf2 when you need it, of course, but that doesn't mean your server has to differentiate top-level post types, nor you when you author them
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snarfed it's just a common pattern
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tantek j12t - to answer your specific question, the distinction for me in Falcon is notes are unnamed and have plain text content (which gets auto-linked and embedded), whereas articles have an explicit name in an <h1> element, and then explicit markup in the e-content.
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tantek as well as separate h-as-note vs h-as-article root class names on the h-entry
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tantek so I write them slightly differently in my "authoring interface", and they're published with different markup
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tantek my replies and RSVPs are just special notes
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tantek though technically I can write an article as a reply as well
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tantek (and I think I have a couple of times)
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tantek my latest content type challenge is how to do event posts
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tantek since they're different from both notes and articles!
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tantek from storage, to markup, to presentation, to feeds. all different for events and what people expect.
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snarfed tantek and i are racing to see who will implement events first
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tantek um, I didn't realize we were racing. oh dear.
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snarfed it's an unfair race, since he didn't know he was in it until just now, and since i suspect it'll be way less work for me to get it into bridgy
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snarfed don't worry tantek, i didn't mean it!
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tantek j12t - I've been collecting my thoughts on events here as I think I figure things out: http://indiewebcamp.com/event#Design_Brainstorming
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tantek snarfed, the real events race for me is to get event posts sufficiently in advance of the 2014-02-12 HWC meetup to post an event for it
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tantek get event posts *working
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KartikPrabhu bear: Modified version of Django's validator - https://github.com/kartikprabhu/ronkyuu/blob/master/ronkyuu/validators.py might need some thorough testing before incorporating into ronkyuu code. Let me know if it fails somehow. I am testing as well.
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bear KartikPrabhu - thanks, I will try and get to it tonight - if your tests work out for you then just include it - I will adjust on my side
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KartikPrabhu anyone else who wants to stress test the above would be appreciated!
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KartikPrabhu is there a way to prevent submission of an empty form in HTML with out Javascript?
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KartikPrabhu Google only tells me javascript ways
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hallettj KartikPrabhu: It won't work in all browsers
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hallettj but you could try HTML5 form validation. http://diveintohtml5.info/forms.html
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hallettj Put a "required" attribute on at least one input tag.
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KartikPrabhu hallettj: thanks! I will then add further checks server-side for non-HTML5 ones :)
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KartikPrabhu hallettj++
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Loqi hallettj has 2 karma
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KartikPrabhu added url validation to http://kartikprabhu.com/connection/webmentionsender#webmentionsender-response . next up sending webmentions.
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KartikPrabhu bear: also sent PR about validation changes
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gregorlove.com edited /webmention (+614) "/* IndieWeb implementations */ Adding myself to 'In progress' :)" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I'm proud to list myself as 'in progress' for webmentions on my site now. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#In_progress
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snarfed congrats gRegorLove!
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: good work!
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gRegorLove Thanks :)
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@acegiak @DarkestKale http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/426204741631111168)
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snarfed.org edited /WordPress (+1661) "big refactoring" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /WordPress (+173) "indiewebify" (view diff)
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snarfed anyone here know how to upload an image to indiewebcamp.com?
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snarfed !tell tantek took a stab at refactoring http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress to be more newbie friendly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed there is a upload file at the bottom of the page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 minute ago: there is a upload file at the bottom of the page
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 7 minutes ago: took a stab at refactoring http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress to be more newbie friendly
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bear KartikPrabhu - can I ask that you update your fork from the repo when preparing for a fresh PR - I keep losing small changes in order to get your PR to merge clean
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bear heck, unless you say no, i'm going to add you to the committers list
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/01/identity-content-audience-and-the-independent-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/01/identity-content-audience-and-the-independent-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/01/identity-content-audience-and-the-independent-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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bear !tell KartikPrabhu ok, added you as a contributor, updated readme and all that and also tweaked some docs - thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/01/identity-content-audience-and-the-independent-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/01/identity-content-audience-and-the-independent-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/01/identity-content-audience-and-the-independent-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (pingback)
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KartikPrabhu bear: of course. new to Git so did not know that that was a problem. Updated my fork now. Will keep in mind from now on :)
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: bear left you a message 1 hour, 49 minutes ago: ok, added you as a contributor, updated readme and all that and also tweaked some docs - thanks!
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bear KartikPrabhu - no worries :)
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bear actually now your a contrib - you can checkout and commit to the repo directly
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KartikPrabhu yes, saw that. thanks for adding me.
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bear thank you for helping make it an even better library
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Jihaisse Hello
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pfefferle hello Jihaisse
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wagle bye bye (sigh)
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wagle wb
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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jonnybarnes but I have about 17 short URLs based on random slugs, the data is backed up and I'm thinking of just pointing requests to those to a text dump of the redirections
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: first three characters are nb60 epoch day, last three characters are number of seconds into that day
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jonnybarnes but what if you post two notes in the same second? its doable /s
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barnabywalters I’ve never done it yet :)
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cweiske barnabywalters, which epoch?
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barnabywalters cweiske: the unix epoch, I think
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cweiske k
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jonnybarnes in PHP, is there an easy way to convert a stdClass to a string?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: (string) $object will cast an object to a string
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barnabywalters but you’re probably looking for http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.magic.php#object.tostring
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cweiske it will do a __toString() call
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Jihaisse pfefferle: hey, I saw that you've worked a lot on webmention plugin for wp !
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jonnybarnes I have a variable `$response = json_decode(TWITTER_API_RESPONSE)`
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jonnybarnes when I get an error I just want to dump that into the browser for me to look at
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pfefferle Jihaisse yes and on the semantic linksbacks plugin too
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jonnybarnes but I cant just echo $response
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jonnybarnes I get ErrorException Object of class stdClass could not be converted to string
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Jihaisse pfefferle: what is the semantic linksback ?
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pfefferle Jihaisse we moved all the semantic parsing stuff into a seperate plugin, so that the webmention plugin only handles pure webmention stuff
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: you want print_r()
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jonnybarnes I'm being stupid barnabywalters, I can just use the raw JSON that twitter sent me
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Jihaisse pfefferle: ok, great !
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pfefferle Jihaisse thanks! it's getting better and better, thanks to a lot of feedback of snarfed :)
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Jihaisse pfefferle: cool.
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jonnybarnes aaaah! I had an error posting to twitter, so I change my code to better display errors. and now theres no error posting to twitter!!!!
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jonnybarnes like what the hell
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jonnybarnes all I can think of: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/my-code-doesnt-work-i-have-no-idea-why.jpg
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug
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barnabywalters I’ve found twitter’s API error reporting to be less than helpful
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barnabywalters IIRC it gives Unauthorized or generic 400 responses if your content is too long
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/source linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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jonnybarnes this should work, if you goto an old short URL such as https://jmb.so/QCDv then you'll get the URL it redirects to which is looked up from this file: https://jonnybarnes.net/assets/old-shorturls.json
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jonnybarnes thats as much backward compatability as I can be bothered doing
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: nice! might it be an idea to actually redirect to the URL?
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jonnybarnes youre just so demanding barnabywalters :P
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barnabywalters a 301 Moved Permanently with Location: header set to the old URL
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: you’re using a modern PHP framework, being at least vaguely web-friendly is easy ;)
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barnabywalters or should be at least
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barnabywalters in silex it’s a matter of return $app->redirect($url)
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jonnybarnes Yeah, `return Redirect::to('url');`
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barnabywalters cool
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barnabywalters I have a bunch of redirects hard-coded into a .htaccess file somewhere :)
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jonnybarnes redirecting now
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu http://kartikprabhu.com/connection/webmentionsender now sends webmentions! Also unintended consequences of sending unfiltered webmentions http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead#responses
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KartikPrabhu sent a webmention to a post from its own comment!
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notizblog.org edited /WordPress (+216) "Added webmention-form plugin" (view diff)
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tantek !tell snarfed nicely done with the WordPress - MUCH friendlier.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle eschnou https://github.com/storytlr/storytlr/wiki/Mengabdi-dan-Melayani
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+34) "one of many events" (view diff)
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bnvk tantek: I agree with you, email sucks and it's because it is beyond tinkerability
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tantek whoa - holy delayed thread response ;)
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 27 minutes ago: nicely done with the WordPress - MUCH friendlier.
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snarfed tantek: thanks!
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snarfed btw do you know how to upload an image to the wiki?
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snarfed i started to add the wp logo, but couldn't find the upload file page
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tantek snarfed - link at the bottom of every page
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tantek "Upload file"
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Upload
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bnvk hehe
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snarfed hah. thanks
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tantek bnvk - it's a good warning lesson for open source / standards in general.
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bnvk yah
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:wordpress logo.png]]""
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bnvk probably for life, in general
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tantek when the complexity/difficulty of code/formats/protocols get so high that they're beyond tinkerability, they will stop evolving, and start sucking.
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