#indiewebcamp 2014-02-28

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tantek snarfed, yeah I should have taken more FB event page screenshots before this redesign
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aaronpk tantek: I still don't have the new fb events I think
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tantek although I've heard that it hasn't deployed for everyone yet - so if you still see the old UI, could you screenshot?
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snarfed aaronpk, tantek: me neither
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snarfed will do
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tantek WTF why would *I* be on the early deployment of FB UI
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tantek checks his FB userid.
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tantek Oh. Oops.
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snarfed heh
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tantek snarfed, aaronpk, ok, here use this one: https://www.facebook.com/events/512367802216703/
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aaronpk just did that one
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tantek that's got enough yes, maybe, no, invited to look interesting
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tantek LOL
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tantek (mind-meld)
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tantek hosted by two people
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aaronpk http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/12824138925_b2eb50067a_o.png
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tantek oh my goodness so much cleaner and more topical
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aaronpk what does the new one look like!
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tantek aaaaaaa
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tantek :( new design is a noisy piece of (insert unicode poo icon here)
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snarfed.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Screen Shot 2014-02-27 at 4.05.00 PM.png]]""
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tantek oh man, now that I'm seeing them side by side I'm REALLY pissed
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tantek so obvious everything that's been lost
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tantek and noise that's been added
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tantek dammit
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aaronpk can you post the new one?
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tantek doing
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tantek could you or snarfed put the old one in a "silo examples" section on /event ?
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tantek.com uploaded /File:Screen_Shot_2014-02-27_at_16.10.11.png "Facebook event for 2014-02-12 Homebrew Website Club meetup, manually POSSEd by Ben Werdmuller from werd.io to FB."
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:20140227-facebook-event-example.png]]""
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aaronparecki.com edited /event (+67) "add old fb event screenshot" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /event (+120) "facebook pre-2014 screenshot" (view diff)
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aaronpk ha oops
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snarfed huh. let's try that again.
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tantek lol
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aaronpk i added a sectionon the bottom already
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snarfed.org edited /event (-5) "reformat screenshot" (view diff)
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snarfed k, moving
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snarfed yours is better than mine. i'll just link to mine instead of embedding
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tantek.com edited /event (+495) "/* Silo Examples */ add new FB example, subhead" (view diff)
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tantek wonders about collisions
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aaronpk OH GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE
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aaronpk although looks like the new design doesn't have as many crappy ads
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aaronpk maybe I should have included those in my screenshot
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tantek I probably have some adblock stuffs going on >:)
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aaronpk weird it's like the new events section is trying to be a whole app
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aaronpk oh ok
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tantek who cares about ads for UI
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tantek we're not putting that crap on our indie sites anyway
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aaronpk yeah i figured that wasn't the important part anyway, so i left it out of the screenshot
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KartikPrabhu seems like they went out of their way to have "profile tools" on the left. wonder if they are planning to have that left sidebar on all pages.
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tantek such a cluster
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KartikPrabhu agrees
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tantek so basically, now even FB is going down the Twitter path of bolluxing up their formerly clean UI
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KartikPrabhu oh was twitter cleaner before?
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snarfed.org edited /event (-36) "link to second screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek no no they're different event!
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tantek events!
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tantek snarfed and I put up the SF event
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tantek aaronpk put up the PDX one
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tantek the SF one has more activity around it
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tantek that shows more features
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aaronpk i thought i put up the sf one
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snarfed sorry, didn't mean to imply it was the same event, just the same ui
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tantek ok well whichever
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tantek let's leave both up
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tantek snarfed no that's important to have the same SF event
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tantek since that way we can A/B compare old/new
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snarfed true
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tantek.com edited /event (+36) "Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Snarfed.org|Snarfed.org]] ([[User talk:Snarfed.org|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Tantek.com|Tantek.com]]" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu guys maybe als document the change on /facebook ?
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KartikPrabhu s/als/also
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: guys maybe also document the change on /facebook ?
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tantek why doesn't the PDX event show a map image?
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tantek whereas the SF event does?
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tantek (old design here)
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tantek notice the map image got DROPPED in the new design
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tantek and instead they leave a BIG BLANK SPACE where there is no event header image. idiots. sorry, but that is a crap design reversion.
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tantek.com edited /event (+49) "/* Silo Examples */ Facebook subhead" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+1257) "Post Types, Event, braindump a few other post types" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /event (+350) "/* Redesign 2014-02-27 */ Shall we count the design regressions" (view diff)
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tantek_ KartikPrabhu - as requested, and I braindumped various post types there in general: http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Post_Types
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tantek aaronpk, FB is *still* the only silo I know of that does realtime updating of comments on a page/post you have open in a browser window.
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KartikPrabhu1 tantek: great. It would be very educational to see the silo implementation of post UI/UX and its evolution
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KartikPrabhu doesn't aaronpk's site do that too? What does that use WebSockets?
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tantek KartikPrabhu - Chris Messina for a while was posting screenshots of all kinds of silo stuff on Flickr
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tantek login screens, sign-up flow etc.
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tantek before he was swallowed and burned out by Google :(
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KartikPrabhu hmm :(
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tantek KartikPrabhu yes!
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KartikPrabhu invented the hashtag! pretty cool
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KartikPrabhu also his Google+ says "He previously worked at Google on Google+ as a UX designer and developer advocate."
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KartikPrabhu looking through Messina's Flickr
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tantek drat - can't find aaronpk's implementation on the wiki!
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KartikPrabhu oooo! hovercard seems to be a good UI for displaying h-cards on mouse-over or something
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KartikPrabhu ref: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/sets/72157625973381351/
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tantek damn I miss messina documenting this stuff
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aaronpk Me too, that was always really nice to see
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aaronpk I have some stuff like that I've added to my flickr, but nowhere near as comprehensive as him
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snarfed tantek: github is another RT example
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snarfed also, chris messina left google, but you already knew that
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caseorganic Yeah! I got into flickr screenshots because of Messina. Used his stuff for ux design for years
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KartikPrabhu it would be good to have such a documentation, to enforce the idea that indieweb is more UI/UX focused than code writing
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tantek snarfed I haven't seen github comments show up in RT
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tantek KartikPrabhu - indeed
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snarfed tantek: i routinely push changes with "fixes #X" with issue X open in a browser window, and it updates as "closed" soon after
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tantek interesting
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tantek perhaps document on /github?
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snarfed not 100%, but usually
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snarfed sure!
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tantek I found where I first went off about realtime display of comments: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-09-30-indieweb-dinner#Realtime_inline_display_of_comments
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tantek and then of course, aaronpk was first to implement. he's so darn fast!
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tantek.com edited /events/2013-09-30-indieweb-dinner (+21) "/* Realtime inline display of comments */ linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /comments-display (+35) "r" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu must get on to this notes, comments things soon
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KartikPrabhu twitter also alerts you if a new tweet drops in your timeline, but then you must click for it to appear
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++ true
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 3 karma
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KartikPrabhu same wit gmail, though that might not count as a silo
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: we tend to focus on publishing use cases
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tantek right - the "something new has happened" is actually much more distracting than useful
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tantek stupid red number badges
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tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+726) "/* How to */ in realtime" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, mind braindumping (or linking to a description of?) how you implemented real-time comments display? http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#in_realtime
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KartikPrabhu I think the user should be notified that something has happened but then taking an additional action to view the update is not necessary at all
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snarfed or even better, it should be configurable, even if it's as little as push notifications on/off
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snarfed tantek and i have both written long posts about attention, info overload, etc
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snarfed worth thinking about, but still a tar pit :/
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/13/1/realtime-indieweb-comments
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tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+75) "/* in realtime */ implemented citation, ~2 weeks after conception." (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu speaking of comments, what are people's thoughts on Medium having paragraph level commenting
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tantek kartikprabhu - pretty cool IMO
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tantek and thank you for calling it paragraph level commenting instead of "annotations" (so academic)
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tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+126) "/* in realtime */ see also detailed how to, sample code, video" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu me too. but seems hard to do with mentions. possible for sections with heading as url fragments but paragraphs?
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KartikPrabhu i think of them as social note taking. but notes has diff. meaning on this channel :)
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snarfed yup, you'd just mention the fragment
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I don't think anyone has paragraph level fragments yet. But even section level would be a great start
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snarfed you mean automatically, for every paragraph in every post? true, maybe not, at least none of us
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tantek Tim Bray does
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KartikPrabhu tantek: where? tbray.org does not have p-level fragments
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tantek well, section level anyway: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2014/02/23/The-Bay-Area
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KartikPrabhu aah he seems to mark-up "important" paragraphs. interesting
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tantek hover over the first paragraph in each section, and you'll see a little purple P paragraph symbol at the end, which if you then hover over, you'll see it's a fragment like #p-3
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tantek it's automatic
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tantek just for each section
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KartikPrabhu I see. Anything with a h2 gets a id and link. sweet
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tantek is that useful? I've considered doing it for my blog posts at least
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tantek and sometimes I manually put IDs on my h2 elements
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KartikPrabhu I always put ids manually on each section, corresponding to a slug title. Putting links would be useful if you expect readers to refer to particular sections. or use them in mentions
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KartikPrabhu as a small point to Bray's UI, I think the link should be next to the title (maybe on the left). Much more intuitive and noticeable
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tantek also I have mixed feelings about UI for discovering these fragment links
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tantek KartikPrabhu - I used to have those on my old old blog posts (pre-Falcon). And I decided they were noisy and ugly
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tantek "#" permalinks
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KartikPrabhu yes, they do clutter up the space
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KartikPrabhu that's why hover maybe. but then they are hard to find
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KartikPrabhu has no good solution at this moment
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tantek yeah, hover is useless for touch
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tantek so...
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tantek ???
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KartikPrabhu this problem has be at the back of my mind since I saw Medium. But I don't know how to do it in a good way
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KartikPrabhu makes for interesting indieweb brainstorming though
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tantek so how does Medium do it on a touch interface e.g. iPad?
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tantek KartikPrabhu - perhaps get notes & top level comments/replies working first ;)
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KartikPrabhu whips out his phone and checks
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KartikPrabhu yes :P
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KartikPrabhu thought-experiments. Physics habits
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KartikPrabhu tantek: turns out the whole p-level comment does not work on mobile on FF
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tantek on Medium?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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bret tantek: re: ikiwiki. no never used it on my site, but have used it on the git-annex website. Its made by a debian developer so it might be just as hard to run as MySQL :p
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bret never had to set it up and run it myself though
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tantek yeah, I'll wait for that personal setup experience from someone else first ;)
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bret erik from hwc said he used it. I'll ask him about it next time to see if its worth playing with
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bret tantek: I think whats nice about it is that the actual wiki itself is just a git repo which can be cloned and forked.... which to me at least... sounds nicer than dealing with mysql
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bret not sure excatly how the software lays on top it yet
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tantek you know what's better than git? even flat(ter) files
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tantek I'll be over here working on implementing this instead: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki-projects#Brainstorming
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bret I'll play around with ikiwiki and document it at some point
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bret you can play with the sandbox online though to get a feel if you want: http://ikiwiki.info/sandbox/
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bret indieauth via openID works :)
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bret its a little to close to the actual git interface im afraid for actual use though
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tantek yeah that's no good
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tantek a good wiki UI would have ZERO gitisms
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tantek git should be backend plumbing only and not pollute the user model at all. At all!
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bret i wonder what % of the UI is purly reachable from a browser
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bret personally, I prefer cloning a git repository between computers/servers over manually copying flat file or migrating DBs
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bret but I wouldt want to have to fenagle a git history on a public wiki unless there were good UI tools for it
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tantek bret - meh - it's special knowledge above and beyond copying a folder.
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tantek really don't care for more special-back-end-storage knowledge
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tantek more crap to clutter my head
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tantek that has nothing to do with actually getting done what I want to get done
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bret gits amazing, make room! ;)
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tantek bret - every backend is ephemeral
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tantek aaronpk, indieauth is hanging on rel-me detection for Crystalbeasley.com
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bret my issue is that I use 5 different computers, so git actually helps me keep track of my stuff
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bret rather than trying to deal with the 'oh crap, why isnt this on my computer'
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aaronpk totally agree about git! really painful trying to sync stuff between multiple computers otherwise
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aaronpk checking out crystalbeasley.com
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bret dropbox should be the minimum viable git interface
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bret sparkleshare was so close
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aaronpk whoa! crazy eror
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aaronpk gah it's the stupid github error again
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bret tantek: the thing I like about git is that its essentially flat file, with history and distribution built in. I agree the UI is lacking and requires specialized knowledge
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bret aaronpk: the one I had?
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aaronpk ydah
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aaronpk and others
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bret i know the solution
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bret to that at least
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bret its a DNS issue
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tantek bret - please add to an FAQ?
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tantek so it's discoverable?
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aaronpk *some* of the github servers send back content for example.com, others send a redirect to "/" with no hostname in the redirect
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tantek maybe /indieauth#FAQ
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bret I added it to a github issue :x I'll redo it on the wiki
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aaronpk bear: did that actually solve it for you? I odn't see how
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bret aaronpk: github changed their ip address. when you have your DNS set to the old IP it does that
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aaronpk bret: (not bear)
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aaronpk OH! ok that makes more sense
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bret aaronpk: works flawlessly now
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bret github breakin the internetz
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bret tantek: aaronpk ill add the faq one sec
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aaronpk thx
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skinny aaronpk: auth is hanging on this step for me http://cl.ly/image/0B0a2M0S0n19
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aaronpk skinny: yeah it's an un-caught error
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skinny aaronpk: any suggestions?
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aaronpk yeah bret has a fix
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skinny cool
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aaronpk although you're going to have another problem after that, heh
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aaronpk which I could have sworn I fixed the other day
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bret skinny: writing a tldr fix right now in the wiki but preview my notes here: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/46#issuecomment-34565297
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aaronpk ah the twitter problem has returned
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bret lol
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aaronpk wtf does this mean and why is SSL so hard "SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read finished A: unexpected message"
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aaronpk who writes these error messages "read finished A"??
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bret ikr?
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bret.io edited /IndieAuth (+0) "Fixed casing" (view diff)
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bret skinny: make sure your DNS for github pages is up to date: https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-a-custom-domain-with-pages#setting-up-dns
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skinny bret: can you say what it means to be up to date? It works fine.
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bret sure, I was just about to ask if what Im saying make sense
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bret skinny: Github pages used to tell your to point your DNS to one IP address, then changed this IP a while back and now are redirecting the old IP address, which causes the issue where it 301 redrects to '/' instead of you domain name sometimes
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skinny this was set up in december
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bret the change happened in Jan 2014
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bret just make sure your DNS points to 192.30.252.153 and/or 192.30.252.154
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aaronpk actually probably hsould be 199.27.79.133 which is what skinny97214.github.io resolves to
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bret never set your DNS on the advice from a random on IRC though, see for yourself https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-a-custom-domain-with-pages#setting-up-dns
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk sound advice
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skinny can we fix the bug instead of fixing my config?
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bret aaronpk: I set two A records to those IP addresses
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aaronpk there are two problems
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bret one of the bugs is on githubs end when your domain goes through a redirect
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aaronpk your site may eventually stop working when github eventually turns off their server
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aaronpk 2) indieauth is not properly resolving relative redirects
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aaronpk 1 is arguably more important for you
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aaronpk their old server*
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skinny sure sure
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: latest issue fixed too! you seem to be doing a thorough testing!
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snarfed thanks KartikPrabhu!
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: In reference to earlier discussion - http://5by5.tv/webahead/60 podcast talking about web annotations.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 hours, 33 minutes ago: In reference to earlier discussion - http://5by5.tv/webahead/60 podcast talking about web annotations.
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@erinjo "Designing for freedom" - mentioning @brennannovak @aral and #indieweb http://gigaom.com/2014/02/27/designing-for-freedom-meet-the-people-putting-user-experience-at-the-heart-of-online-privacy/ (twitter.com/_/status/439307868269862912)
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Loqi barnabywalters: bnvk left you a message on 2/27 at 10:36am: Brian said trivia night at Lebowski is happening tonight at 21:00 if you're keen
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acegiak morning, all
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Jeena morning acegiak, even though it is afternoon already here in Sweden ;)
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acegiak its 2am in new zealand. i use univerzal greeting time in irc
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu good to see that webmentions and IndieWebCamp were cited on that podcast! Beware the "Open Annotation" stuff as it's fairly overdesign/complex and has RDF at its core. More academic overdoing it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi pfefferle: tantek left you a message on 2/27 at 3:20pm: so who in that indieweb WP plugin thread is actually posting those tweet replies from their own site, HMMMMMM?!? I.e. so really, how good is your plugin(s)? Can it POSSE threaded replies to Twitter? #throwingdown ;)
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pfefferle !tell tantek sadly there is no "real" POSSE plugin for WordPress yet... we all use existing plugins for posting posts to the different silos, but none of them supports (threaded) comments. I focused a lot on webmentions and all the different semantics and the reply context, no time for POSSE yet.
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pfefferle Loqi?
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Loqi dude
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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pfefferle thanks
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pfefferle !tell tantek I wanted to fokus on threaded webmentions as a next step!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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pfefferle Loqi: thanks
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barnabywalters just build bare-minimum indieweb search engine — HTML interface to elastic search instance with my link archive indexed
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barnabywalters s/build/built
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: just built bare-minimum indieweb search engine — HTML interface to elastic search instance with my link archive indexed
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cweiske barnabywalters, how do you index?
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barnabywalters cweiske: I’m using elasticsearch
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cweiske barnabywalters, how do you index?
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cweiske you need to put the data into elasticsearch somehow
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barnabywalters cweiske: at the moment I just iterate through all my archived pages, parse for microformats (falling back to treating the whole thing as a h-entry if none) then flatten and index
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cweiske i'm looking for a search engine for my website, too
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cweiske but don't want to write it on my own
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cweiske didn't really fine a suitable one
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cweiske except maybe regain
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cweiske but that's pretty old
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cweiske i'd want resource indexing, too - images, pdf files and so
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cweiske IIRC elasticsearch can do this itself with a plugin
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barnabywalters yep I think I saw mention of an attachment mapping or something
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barnabywalters I’ve only played with the text indexing so far
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cweiske do you rank headings higher than text?
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barnabywalters cweiske: nope, not doing anything particularly clever like that yet
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barnabywalters although I have set up the indexer so that when it comes across a page with multiple h-entries on it doesn’t index that page, but indexes each of the h-entries at their own URLs
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barnabywalters which should almost completely prevent feed pages from turning up in search results above the post pages
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cweiske you could rank feed pages down
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barnabywalters which google does all the time with my website
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barnabywalters cweiske: there isn’t really anything on most feed pages that I want to index other than the posts themselves
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barnabywalters I’d rather they just didn’t turn up in the results
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aaronpk barnabywalters: awesome, congrats!
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aaronpk So you're indexing the e-content and p-name values?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: currently indexing all the flattened mf properties, searching within content and trying to figure out how to search within name with a higher weight
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barnabywalters ah it’s multi_match
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barnabywalters hm, elastic search is now on my list of potential databases to use if/when my CSV index gets too slow or limiting
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barnabywalters aaronpk: you mentioned that you wouldn’t want to run a java service — why? security concerns?
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aaronpk No, I've never had a good experience running java stuff, always makes me install crap I don't understand or set weird environment variables
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aaronpk If I don't know it's java and it just works then I don't mind
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ah okay. so far elasticsearch seems to be in the second category
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barnabywalters installing via brew
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aaronpk Great
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aaronpk How about on the server?
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barnabywalters I have no immediate plans to deploy this publicly
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barnabywalters so haven’t tried yet
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barnabywalters but presumably it’ll just install via apt-get
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aaronpk Ah ok.
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aaronpk Care to write up your findings on the wiki or in a post?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: will do shortly, just adding pagination, better templates and styling so it’s actually usable
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barnabywalters currently the UI is just an input and an ordered list of titles, linking to the originals :)
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aaronpk ha cool
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aaronpk well can't wait to see it
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aaronpk elasticsearch was the best looking thing I found when I looked into this stuff a few months ago
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barnabywalters yeah, I’m really liking it so far!
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barnabywalters just looking at these search results I realise there are so many interesting design problems to solve — e.g. what should comments look like in search results?
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elladurham Hey, there. Excuse my intrusion ;) New, here. I'm planning on attending Open Source Bridge Conf and would really like to see if it's possible to attend Indie Web Camp 2014 as an apprentice. It looks like it's close to capacity, but not entirely sure how to sign up for wait list or if there are folks I can reach out to who might be willing to take me under their wing.
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barnabywalters this is totally going to better than google :)
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barnabywalters greetings elladurham! welcome to #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters elladurham: do you have a personal domain?
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aaronpk only a few of us signed up for 2014 so far! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List
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barnabywalters in order to RSVP you need to either sign into the wiki using one, or find someone in here who’s going and ask if you can be their apprentice
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elladurham Okay, that's what it looked like/where the confusion was
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elladurham I am signed up for the wiki, I do have a personal domain
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barnabywalters elladurham: great! in that case all you need to do is edit the Guest List page and add yourself, and you’re signed up
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elladurham awesome, can I just declare myself an apprentice? I haven't really engaged directly in the community yet/created stuff at this point
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barnabywalters if you have a personal domain, you’ve skipped past apprentice and are a creator :)
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elladurham Oh! super, thank you so much for your help. Sorry I'm terrible at IRC, I only use it so frequently that I forget how to do anything but change my name
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aaronpk that's all I really know how to do too :)
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elladurham Do you think, while I am in there, I should remove the note about being close to capacity?
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barnabywalters elladurham: please do — well spotted, must have been left over from a copy/paste from a previous event
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aaronpk lol google search result fail: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7412/12838332684_78b6ffe252_o.png
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barnabywalters aaronpk: hahaha I just at the exact same instant came across an almost identical error in my own search indexing :)
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Loqi nice
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barnabywalters turns out removing script elements before taking text content is a good idea
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aaronpk haha
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barnabywalters <style> too
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barnabywalters hm this same logic could be useful when parsing p- properties
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barnabywalters maybe we need a sane HTML-to-plaintext algorithm
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barnabywalters e.g. remove script, style elements, replace embedded content with accessible alternatives, etc.
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barnabywalters unless one already exists
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aaronpk i think that has always been called "sanitization" and just assumed people would know what to do
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barnabywalters okay yeah then it needs specifying
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barnabywalters also, “sanitisation” to me is different to HTML -> plaintext
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barnabywalters sanitisation implies removing dangerous stuff and cleaning HTML markup, whilst retaining document structure
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barnabywalters rather than explicitly converting to a plaintext representation of the markup
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aaronpk true
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barnabywalters I should probably also html-encode the result content… http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/indie-search-unescaped.png
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aaronpk definitely
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk see, even loqi knows
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Loqi dude
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barnabywalters Loqi: what’s your hourly web dev rate?
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barnabywalters okay, reindexing plaintext versions is the perfect break to start writing this stuff up
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elladurham.com edited /2014/Guest_List (+298) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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elladurham.com edited /2014/Guest_List (+18) "/* Wait List */" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /search (+2180) "Added design section with observations and tips from experimenting with Elasticsearch over my archive" (view diff)
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elladurham Cheers! Thanks again @aaronpk and barnabywalters
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KevinMarks Welcome Ella
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elladurham Thank you, Kevin!
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Jeena elladurham, i was just checking out your website, there is no blog or notes or something on it yet, or is it and I just couldn't find it yet?
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elladurham nope, there isn't any content (yet), I'm still running through the documentation and learning best practice to syndicate elsewhere -- again, really new here ;)
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Jeena ah hehe ok, no problem, I am just trying to follow interesting people from the indieweb and what the write (for now via RSS)
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 56 minutes ago: good to see that webmentions and IndieWebCamp were cited on that podcast! Beware the "Open Annotation" stuff as it's fairly overdesign/complex and has RDF at its core. More academic overdoing it.
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elladurham Jeena, Is there a list of folks out there somewhere that I'm missing? I was looking for people to follow as well, but I didn't dig very deep.
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aaronpk well there's http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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elladurham Ah, great, that's handy, thanks
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@ya_f @fdevillamil @mvz @ookook drop. We need to implement webmention (twitter.com/_/status/439487435253481473)
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Loqi tantek: pfefferle left you a message 5 hours, 14 minutes ago: sadly there is no "real" POSSE plugin for WordPress yet... we all use existing plugins for posting posts to the different silos, but none of them supports (threaded) comments. I focused a lot on webmentions and all the different semantics and the reply context, no time for POSSE yet.
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Loqi tantek: pfefferle left you a message 5 hours, 9 minutes ago: I wanted to fokus on threaded webmentions as a next step!
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek !tell pfefferle awesome work with the webmentions and reply context functionality! POSSE (especially POSSE threading) is definitely more challenging. Glad to hear you're looking at it, and looking forward to see you @-reply from your own site :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek Happy Friday #indiewebcamp!
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tantek Next Friday is IndieWebCampSF!!!
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KartikPrabhu Friday!!
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snarfed excited!
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aaronpk brilliant https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/439125570115223552
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@danbarker .@mattcutts I think I have spotted one, Matt. Note the similarities in the content text: https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/439125570115223552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/439125570115223552)
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KartikPrabhu aw man Google got pwned!
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gRegor` Hahaha
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gRegor` Loqi logs the tweet text if you post a twitter link? Nice.
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Loqi yeah!
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gRegor` yay!
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Loqi woot
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sparverius thats dumb
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sparverius they explictly have the link and source
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sparverius are very clear about what it is
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sparverius and it takes up almost as much space as the actual result
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KartikPrabhu I don't think citation was a criterion for being not a scrapper -site
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gRegor` Adding what value, sparverius?
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aaronpk whoa new google search results formatting http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/12841623055_efb9f484b5_o.png
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indie-visitor I'm pretty sure I just accidentally registered indie-visitor :facepalm: is there a way to quickly undo this?
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sparverius gRegor`: a quick answer to a question
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sparverius unlike scrapers which exist to be clicked on for ads and dont care too much about relevancy
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arcatan indie-visitor: register where?
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aaronpk nickserv?
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indie-visitor nickserv
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arcatan right. the command is DROP. /msg NickServ help drop
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indie-visitor great, thanks, unregistered
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tantek I see that the new IRC access is working better ;)
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tantek can we teach Loqi to say hi to "indie-visitor" and suggest they use /nick to set their name?
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tantek aaronpk - whoa on those google search results formatting
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tantek so they dropped the underline and added line-height - anything else?
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tantek aaronpk - such a good find that tweet: https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/439125570115223552
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@danbarker .@mattcutts I think I have spotted one, Matt. Note the similarities in the content text: https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/439125570115223552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/439125570115223552)
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gRegor` Man I've been getting d/c a lot lately
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tantek has anyone here experimented with paypal, square cash, or other payment buttons/links on their sites?
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tantek I realized there's a monetary/payment analogy to People Focused Mobile Communication Experience
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tantek a-ha, I found this: https://developer.venmo.com/docs/payment-links
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tantek and this: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donate-intro-outside
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tantek and this for making square cash buttons to pay you: https://medium.com/look-what-i-made/294e9d2eb58b
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tantek and for donating to someone's starbucks card: http://jonathanstark.com/card/#give-a-coffee
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snarfed tantek: barnabywalters did some work on mf2 for bitcoin payments/tipping
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snarfed i assume you saw that
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snarfed don't have the link handy, but i'm sure it's searchable
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tantek snarfed, yeah I was thinking in terms of currencies that are easier for me to spend
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snarfed heh true!
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snarfed his work might have been currency-independent
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tantek just as I was thinking in terms of communication protocols that are easier for me to receive/read/respond to
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bret tekcoin
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bret just as long as it doenst take the form of a gift card
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tantek may or may not have just bought squaremo (dotcom)
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tantek bret - I use my Starbucks giftcard all the time
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bret i have had this bed bath and beyond card for ages
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bret no clue what to do with it :p
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tantek bret I go there about once a month
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bret starbux makes sence
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bret since they are more common than atms
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tantek ping me next time we're f2f and I can give you cash for the bbb card to help you liquidate it
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bret ah no way?! ill go home and look for it
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tantek yeah - many credit cards let you get gift cards instead of cashback
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tantek with a better ratio
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tantek e.g. $20 for a $25 BBB card
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bret i guess that makes sence
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tantek that plus BBB spams with 20% off coupons = $20 cash back cost for $30 of value at BBB
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tantek not a bad %
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bret no not at all, im just carless right now and BBB is so far away
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tantek yeah totally
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tantek it's also an infrequent special purchase kind of thing
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bret Can you get a paypal debit card?
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bret IE, spend out of that account
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tantek maybe? not sure. I never have.
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bret Simple bank has instant transfer, sent Amber some $$ for a phone the other day
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bret Everyone has to have an account though
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aaronpk Totally, I used a paypal card for everything for a while
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aaronpk The coolest part is you immediately get an email when the card is run
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aaronpk So often I'd get an email before the waiter gets back with the card
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bret Wow, were they doing this before or after simple bank?
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aaronpk Of course I hooked up and email- to-web script so I could have a map of where I spent money
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aaronpk Way before simple
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tantek bret - venmo similarly has instant transfer AFAIK
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tantek aaronpk - that's awesome
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bret thats what I though, didnt know they had a debit though
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aaronpk Simple still doesn't have realtime hooks for transactions other than the push notification to your phone, which has been super unreliable lately
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tantek indeed. email is the hook of last resort isn't it?
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bret sometimes its fast, sometimes its slow, i couldnt tell if it was the store or simple
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bret Bankhooks
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aaronpk Email hooks are pretty powerful. Still sad how annoying it is to work with them tho
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tantek yes. not very "hackable"
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tantek in a good way - I think KevinMarks tweeted that
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aaronpk Last night I DOS'd my gmail account, oops
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tantek WAT
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tantek how?
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bret I hear the bigger banks are holding back the capabilities of ACH
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aaronpk Infinite forwarding loop
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aaronpk I'm still getting emails trickling in from it
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bret lol
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tantek oops! at least browser detect infinite HTTP redirects!
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aaronpk Ended up with over 10,000 emails
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tantek aaronpk - really surprised that didn't trigger some rate limiter
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tantek at gmail
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aaronpk Note to self: gmail forwarding rules *will forward everything* when you don't specify a filter
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bret lol no way
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aaronpk Me too, it was surprising to see. Funny thing is I set up the script, then went to the bar, and got back to a flooded inbox
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tantek I think there's a meme image for that
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tantek check in patch. go home.
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tantek or something like that
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aaronpk Yea pretty much
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tantek indiewebmemes.tumblr.
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aaronpk .tumblr.medium.com
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aaronpk mumblr.com?
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tantek brb software update
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aaronpk brb airplane lol
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bret when you back aaronpk ?
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aaronpk Sunday night
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bret im going to help with the door at Code for portland
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aaronpk Awesome
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bret cost of my overflow ticket ;)
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Loqi [mention] https://jeena.net/people-first linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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snarfed !tell bret, tantek: remembered it a bit late, but i used to pay way too much attention to gift/prepaid cards. :P https://snarfed.org/privacy_through_prepaid_credit_cards
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks Why would indiewebmemes be on tumblr?
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