#indiewebcamp 2014-03-19

2014-03-19 UTC
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bret switching to chrome
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tantek From?
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tantek Oh safari. Right. Wish I could never open mail.app
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tantek Or rather never have it launched
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pauloppenheim tantek: there's always thunderbird
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@maymaym Political think tank migrates off @Tumblr using #Tumblr Crosspostr: http://days.maybemaimed.com/post/80018028947/political-think-tank-migrates-off-tumblr-to-wordpress-us#_=_ #DataPortability #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/446078979033026560)
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tantek darn, UTC date boundary = /irc/today is showing tomorrow's logs again ;)
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bret building an atom feed for the IRC logs. basically, a feed that has the last full day log so that readers can subscribe
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bret Can an h-entry contain a bunch of h-entrys?
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bret h-entry for that day ( h-feed of ( h-entrys per line )))
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pauloppenheim tantek: ^^
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pauloppenheim i would assume no, but i'm not an expert
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tantek bret, why?
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tantek why not just have the h-feed have the past 24hr of h-entry items for IRC messages?
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bret if i understand correctly, that would make every line a separate story
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tantek "story"?
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bret sorry, entry
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tantek that's how they are now
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tantek just thinking the simplest thing to do
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bret im trying to do something slightly different. I want the last full days log to show up as a single story in my feed reader
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pauloppenheim isn't that page already marked up to be a feed?
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Loqi gives bret the last full days log to show up as a single story in my feed reader
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tantek LOL Loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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bret so sassy
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bret so having a feed for that one day is one thing, but I want a feed on the completed day level
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Loqi gives bret a feed on the completed day level
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bret parsing the irc logs gives me an object with all of the h-entrys individually, but it would also be nice to just get the html of all the entrys in a single unit
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bret ack wtf am i talking about its an array
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bret nevermind
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tantek indeed!
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bret reading huge json files messes with my head
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bret aaronpk: pin13 times out when parsing the IRC logs
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tantek bret, earlier you said "accidentally click on a feed link"
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tantek what kind of links?
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tantek like links with href ending in .xml?
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bret ya
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tantek so like
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bret literally, navigating to bret.io/atom.xml launches my default reader
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tantek a[href$=".xml"] { display:none }
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tantek :D
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bret which, safar knows nothing about so it launches mail.app
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bret it doesnt even show me the xml
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bret safari*
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tantek bret - add the above to your user stylesheet
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tantek it will hide all .xml links
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bret i would actually prefer to just see the raw file in the browser, maybe there is an addon that can help
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tantek hmm - you might need a greasemonkey for that
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tantek maybe you could pipe it through an XML pretty printer
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tantek like there are JSON pretty printers
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bret i have one fore json
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bret for* wow
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tantek then all you need is a XML->JSON converter ;)
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tantek there are probably some APIs that could use that
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KevinMarks2 Xml to json converter? I could revive xoxo to json
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KevinMarks2 I think i made a universal feed parser to HTML5 at one point
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KevinMarks2 Oh look, it's still running http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com
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KevinMarks2 Wonder where I left the code
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bret KevinMarks2: do you use a feed reader?
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KevinMarks2 Not since reader died
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bret who here uses a reader?
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tantek (crickets)
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bret quiet you
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KevinMarks2 I have digg and feedly but don't run them
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KevinMarks2 Ah, no that uses the friendfeed api
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KevinMarks2 Getting a lot of "cannot retrieve that tweet" edits today
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bret KevinMarks2: people are tweeting then deleting?
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KevinMarks2 No, I think twitter has coherence problems
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bret twitter was performing terribly the other night
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KevinMarks2 My polling app sees tweets, but the official client doesn’t
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bret what is the point of <id>urn:uuid:60a76c80-d399-11d9-b93C-0003939e0af6</id> in atom feeds?
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bret wouldnt a URL be better?
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gRegor` Ooh, nice changes on the front page of the wiki. I think that does a better job presenting the indieweb
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Loqi [mention] http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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@davidmead Bit-by-bit I'm moving back to the #IndieWeb. http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ (twitter.com/_/status/446109142113996800)
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pdurbin bret: I wrote a few ruby scripts to pull down some rss feeds for podcasts. probably doesn't count
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KevinMarks2 I still use a podcast reader
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Loqi [mention] http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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KevinMarks2 So when I click a link ending in xml on android, that launches
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pdurbin what I wanted was the ability to see what I had listened to recently. stuff I had deleted from my podcatcher a week or two ago (or longer). a long list to scroll through
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tantek bret - all the urn: stuff is what happens when you get too theoretical instead of using what "just works" on the web
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tantek thanks gRegor! great work from scottjenson et al
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tantek very cool David John Mead: http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/03/18/slowly-but-surely/
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KevinMarks2 I want the opposite of huffduffer.com that remembers what I already heard
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Loqi gives KevinMarks2 the opposite of huffduffer
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gRegor` Haha
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pdurbin KevinMarks2: heh. yeah, that's kind of what my thing is, except that I don't listen to every single episode in all the podcast feeds I'm checking
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pdurbin but it's not a bad approximation
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KevinMarks2 Right. My padcatcher knows what I played when though
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KevinMarks2 And did I finish it
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pdurbin I guess mine knows if I downloaded it or not. After I delete an episode the button says "re-download".
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pdurbin being able to huffduff an episode from my podcatcher would be nice
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@benwerd Seeking an #indieweb alternative to Google Voice http://werd.io/2014/seeking-an-indieweb-alternative-to-google-voice (twitter.com/_/status/446145176776347649)
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@INVISPIDE News Challenge - IndieWeb https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/indieweb-fellowships-for-the-independent-and-open-web (twitter.com/_/status/446160016031363073)
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addal felowships
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brianloveswords tantek: ping!
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Loqi brianloveswords: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 56 minutes ago: are you still available to help with co-organizing IndieWebCampNYC?
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brianloveswords Aww man I don't know how to tell Loqi to tell other people stuff.
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cweiske !tell <name> foo
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brianloveswords Nice, thanks cweiske !
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brianloveswords !tell tantek I can help, but I might not be around :(. Have you talked to the NYT guys yet to figure out capacity?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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brianloveswords !tell tantek I have Mozilla on line for sponsorship, and I can more than likely get Digital Ocean as well – I asked mozilla to “sponsor lunch” but they want to know dollar amounts, which requires me to know our capacity/expected attendance.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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brianloveswords !tell tantek I recently joined a band that had some previous commitments that weekend – 4/25 in Boston, 4/26 in Brooklyn – and I have to fly out to SF on the 27th for the Mozilla Foundation All–Hands – so I can hopefully make some of the 26th
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@JoolsAdams Such a shame so much web interaction now ends with this: #indieweb #openweb http://twitter.yfrog.com/mgdjrvtxj (twitter.com/_/status/446206800350568448)
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@pfefferle @RossGoodman the semantic-linkback plugin is not in the WordPress directory yet, but you can use the indieweb-plugin instead (twitter.com/_/status/446225990973677568)
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@pfefferle @RossGoodman the indieweb-plugins encapsulates the webmention and semantic-linkback plugins and more to come http://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/446226172838694912)
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@pfefferle @RossGoodman and welcome to the #indieweb :) (twitter.com/_/status/446227175084404736)
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@brennannovak So many interesting projects applying for the @knightfdn grant, like this #IndieWeb fellowship by @caseorganic https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/feedback-review/indieweb-fellowships-for-the-independent-and-open-web (twitter.com/_/status/446232887520923648)
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@tommorris Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446256341326520320)
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@adrianshort RT @tommorris: Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446256444372185088)
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@hughbarnard RT @tommorris: Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446257673454256128)
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@cbetta RT @tommorris: Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446257820447834112)
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tommorris Strange as it might seem, I’ve set up a Facebook page for IndieWebCamp. https://www.facebook.com/indiewebcamp
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tommorris Mostly so we’ve got the URL. ;)
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bnvk lol
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bnvk nice
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tommorris bnvk: I’ve spent an enormous amount of time answering questions about the Facebook API this week. I figured I may as well put some of that knowledge to good use and create a FB page.
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bnvk lol
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bnvk yes
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bnvk tommorris: you should wire up something that auto posts to it
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tommorris Effort.
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bnvk hehe, yes, perhaps mutate Loqi :)
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@kevinmarks RT @tommorris: Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446282255527194624)
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@ayirpelle RT @tommorris: Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446282565305896960)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 3/18 at 10:57am: heads up, appears your POSSE tweets may be truncating URLs, e.g. https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/445966450017058816 links to: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submi (which is a 404) (/me has a feeling he's going to get a CASSIS bug report as a result)
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tommorris aaronpk: I’ve made you a ‘manager’ on the FB page.
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tommorris mostly just wanted to register the URL. :)
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barnabywalters tommorris: thanks for making the FB indiewebcamp page — clicking on the link was a bit odd as it didn’t explain that I had been made a manager, and said “you are now commenting and liking things as indiewebcamp”
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barnabywalters wtffbui
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tommorris I’ve had numerous WTF FB moments today.
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tommorris For instance: you know how Facebook made quite big news for introducing non-binary gender options. That’s not exposed via the API.
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tommorris If you set your gender pronoun preference to ‘neutral’, the API just doesn’t return the gender property in the JSON response.
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tommorris the UI lets you check in to a venue that exists only as a plain string. the API requires a facebook object ID.
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tommorris hey chrisroos - all good for tonight?
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chrisroos I certainly am, tommorris. I've just picked up some food and drink to keep us going.
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@freerange RT @tommorris: Tonight: first London Homebrew Website Club. Come along, it's free and fun! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/446289426059362304)
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chrisroos Howdi, folks. Does anyone have a suggestion for how to enable remote participation of HWC this evening?
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caseorganic !tell tantek planning for a cyborgcamp at mit oct 3 or oct 10. interest in doing an indiewebcamp at mit or harvard 4-5 or 10-12?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tommorris chrisroos: we might be able to WebRTC. worth a try. if that doesn’t work, switch to G+ Hangouts
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chrisroos tommorris: How would I go about setting up a WebRTC thing? (a link that I can follow would be fine)
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tommorris there’s a few WebRTC demo sites we could use.
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tommorris I’m gonna leave the office at 5:30 (over in Paddington) so should be there at 6ish, so we can test to make sure it works.
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chrisroos OK, cool. I'll wait until you get here and we can see what works.
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barnabywalters we used http://talky.io for indiewebcampsf, it worked really well
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@willowbl00 Doing vizthink for #indieweb : http://viz.bl00cyb.org/indieweb/ : cc @caseorganic @warrenellis : work in progress (twitter.com/_/status/446296140024381440)
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aaronpk tommorris: chrisroos: just share http://talky.io/indiewebcamp and everyone can hop in ther
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aaronpk works well if you have an external camera+mic, the sound doesn't really work from laptop mics
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aaronpk (not the fault of talky.io, just how laptop mics work)
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chrisroos Great, we'll give that a go. Thanks, aaronpk / barnabywalters
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caseorganic talkyio++
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Loqi talkyio has 1 karma
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tommorris could whiz home and get a decent mic. ;)
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barnabywalters tommorris: audio quality is way more important than video quality for remote participation
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barnabywalters I would join in but have other things happening tonight — hope it goes well!
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chrisroos We've got a pretty good mic here (blue snowball) that I'll test shortly
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tommorris chrisroos: ah awesome. I’ve got a Blue Yeti at home but can’t really be arsed to have to go home before going over to Shoreditch
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Loqi tantek: brianloveswords left you a message 9 hours, 20 minutes ago: I can help, but I might not be around :(. Have you talked to the NYT guys yet to figure out capacity?
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Loqi tantek: brianloveswords left you a message 9 hours, 19 minutes ago: I have Mozilla on line for sponsorship, and I can more than likely get Digital Ocean as well – I asked mozilla to “sponsor lunch” but they want to know dollar amounts, which requires me to know our capacity/expected attendance.
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Loqi tantek: brianloveswords left you a message 9 hours, 15 minutes ago: I recently joined a band that had some previous commitments that weekend – 4/25 in Boston, 4/26 in Brooklyn – and I have to fly out to SF on the 27th for the Mozilla Foundation All–Hands – so I can hopefully make some of the 26th
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Loqi tantek: caseorganic left you a message 1 hour, 32 minutes ago: planning for a cyborgcamp at mit oct 3 or oct 10. interest in doing an indiewebcamp at mit or harvard 4-5 or 10-12?
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tantek awesome!
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@glennjones I am going to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club meetup tonight - looking forward to talking about #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/446319939226705920)
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tantek brianloveswords - yay for indieband! :) ok let's follow-up here and work on NYC details
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Loqi giggles
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tantek caseorganic - what?! cyborgcamp? how are they drawing you back in?!? :)
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/03/audience-context-conscious-posse-syndication-plugin-wordpress/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/03/audience-context-conscious-posse-syndication-plugin-wordpress/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/rel-syndication (pingback)
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barnabywalters that’s a good post
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@sebastiangreger My work-in-progress #indieweb contrib: An audience/context-conscious #POSSE syndication plugin for WordPress http://sebastiangreger.net/2014/03/audience-context-conscious-posse-syndication-plugin-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/446327590497026048)
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barnabywalters next thing to do: make a UI which generates instant h-cite markup
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barnabywalters from a h-entry
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@warrenellis IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 [new site post] (twitter.com/_/status/446329231505883136)
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caseorganic tantek: i really wanted to host a cyborgcamp at MIT media lab back in 2008. this is the chance to do that! it gives me an excuse to visit cambridge this year.
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caseorganic tantek: but media lab's 3rd floor can host an indiewebcamp sat and sunday after cyborgcamp. it would be a great way to get some harvard/mit people there
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caseorganic tantek: the two open dates are 3-5 oct or 10-12 oct. we need one gen1 from the indieweb community to be there for the event to work.
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caseorganic tantek: 3-5 oct conflicts with science hack day
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dangillmor count me in for October...
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caseorganic dangillmor: ok! great! have a preference on date? sat/sun oct 4/5 or sat/sun oct 11/12?
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@madsciencefilms RT @warrenellis: IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 [new site post] (twitter.com/_/status/446330955482279936)
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caseorganic ah, warrenellis!
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tantek yeah warrenellis!!!
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tantek caseorganic - is he gen 2 or 3?
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caseorganic tantek: i talked with willow this morning. i recorded a indieweb voiceover and she's going to do another illustration animation for it
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tantek beautiful
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caseorganic tantek: willow is gen2. warrenellis? likely also gen2 if he runs his own site. if he hires someone to edit it, then gen 3.
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tantek caseorganic - MIT cyborgcamp as closure - I get it!
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caseorganic tantek: yes, you got it :)
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tantek sounds fun
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dangillmor caseorganic: no preference
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caseorganic dangillmor: perfect! thanks for the flexibility
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tantek caseorganic is mann going to attend?
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caseorganic tantek: no. he requires $$$ to fly down
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aaronpk (follow-up from yesterday, my twitter cards apepar to be working again with no change on my end. must have been a weird glitch)
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caseorganic tantek: and i always bootstrap the event. no more than 2k for a cyborgcamp
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tantek is tempted to dress up as gargoyle-mode Hiro Protagonist
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caseorganic tantek++
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caseorganic DO IT
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Loqi tantek has 27 karma
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tantek did this for Halloween, 1993.
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caseorganic If you do that I'll dress up as Cayce Pollard
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caseorganic requires pictures
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tantek so much easier to do Cayce Pollard :P
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aaronpk *man* what is up with the twitter spam bots
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tantek aaronpk, the bots are winning
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caseorganic tantek: true. more difficult to do 7 of 9 (tried two years ago and failed)
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@jeena @timpritlove höre gerade NSFW über Podcast feeds. Schon mal an #indieweb und microformats statt Atom gedacht? (twitter.com/_/status/446332424205910016)
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tantek caseorganic true: especially depending on *which* 7 of 9.
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caseorganic tantek: my friend's dad does special effects makeup and one of these days I'm going to get the full 7 of 9 early borg getup
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aaronpk the borgified 7 of 9? or just the little eyepiece?
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caseorganic tantek: ok, so, important question: are you in for indiewebcamp mit?
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caseorganic aaronpk: the borgified one!
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caseorganic aaronpk: you have the picture you made still, right?
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caseorganic tantek: are you planning on science hack day in sf?
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tantek caseorganic yes
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aaronpk nice! you mean like http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/4447743507/
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tantek welcome back benwerd
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benwerd good morning!
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aaronpk yay! hi!
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Loqi :D
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@fractos Awesome. Wondering if things like @TrsstProject might fit in somewhere? RT @warrenellis: IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 [new site post] (twitter.com/_/status/446334818100711424)
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benwerd aaronpk: I am curious about your "see original" links on Facebook
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benwerd that's really nicely done
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aaronpk thx!
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aaronpk Facebook allows you to set "custom actions" on posts made via the API, which can include custom text and a URL unique to each post
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benwerd aha
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benwerd will shamelessly copy this shortly
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aaronpk so "See Original" seemed like a reasonable thing to use that for, and then over the SF indiewebcamp weekend we got bridgy to read that property to push the comments back!
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benwerd Nice
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benwerd Very nice
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aaronpk please do copy it!
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benwerd I will!
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aaronpk looks way better than a link at the end of the post!
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benwerd aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 397 karma
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aaronpk I wish twitter had something similar! Could have been done with their annotations API thing
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caseorganic benwerd: Hi!
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benwerd caseorganic: Howdy!
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caseorganic benwerd: awesome knight grant proposal! hope it goes through, as it's a proper project!
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benwerd Thank you! I hope so too. Not least because it's really what I want to be doing. The project will happen either way, but this will speed it up greatly.
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benwerd I also have other things in the works that may help.
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benwerd I'm really touched & pleased by the feedback so far. I haven't even tweeted a link from my own account, let alone sent anything to the mailing list etc. But people seem to approve, which is a great sign.
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aaronpk snarfed: one issue with bridgy replacing the author URL from twitter is sometimes people put their company URL there
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aaronpk ( see the first comment here http://aaron.pk/n4V81 )
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snarfed aaronpk: true!
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snarfed i guess ideally i'd provide both the twitter.com url and their profile url in the h-card
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@kyle_wm Implemented contexts for replies, likes, and shares (incl. multi-reply), woo! #indieweb. TODO properly parse @t's... http://kylewm.com/note/2014/03/19/1 (twitter.com/_/status/446338659302645760)
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aaronpk well ideally it could check for a rel-me link and only replace it if one is found
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snarfed but i doubt many (read: any) consumers would support that
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snarfed ah, right, true
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snarfed updated: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/86
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tantek aaronpk - could you document a bit of how you get "See Original" links on your POSSE Facebook posts here? http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook
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tantek agrees with aaronpk, rel=me verification for twitter website URLs
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snarfed btw, props (again) to kylewm for implementing fb 'see original' link support in bridgy
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snarfed all i did was merge a PR :P
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benwerd open source ftw
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tantek snarfed - awesome!
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tantek wait, is that in Bridgy publish?
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snarfed tantek: good point! not yet but i should add it
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snarfed i'll file an issue
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kylewm aw you're nice
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tantek snarfed - oh, Bridgy *looks for* the "See Original" link in FB posts? Whoa.
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@QazWilson IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 [new site post] http://qazwilson.tumblr.com/post/80080199690/indieweb-http-t-co-4q5hpc5mwl-new-site-post (twitter.com/_/status/446342524312256512)
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snarfed tantek: yeah. it's exposed in the api, no crazy magic, but still, definitely a nice touch
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tantek supernice touch!
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tantek ok since it's being published AND consume - please add that to the wiki
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tantek pretty please!
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snarfed tantek: will do! just consumed right now, but i'll file the feature request for publishing
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tantek.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+538) "rm "no known" since Idno does it at a minimum, add IndieWeb Examples section, See Original stub" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk, benwerd, snarfed if you're POSSEing to FB with "see original" links, please add something here: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#See_Original
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd hopefully tonight :)
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 16 seconds ago: if you're POSSEing to FB with "see original" links, please add something here: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#See_Original
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tantek wanted to at least capture a landing place for it
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aaronpk hm the brainstorming section has not realy been contributed to , and now I am doing none of those options :)
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: if you're POSSEing to FB with "see original" links, please add something here: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#See_Original
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tantek.com edited /original-post-discovery (+160) "/* Algorithm */ add "See Original" step since Bridgy now implements it!" (view diff)
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snarfed tantek: you beat me to it :P
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: if you're POSSEing to FB with "see original" links, please add something here: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#See_Original
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tantek snarfed - which? you can still edit the /Bridgy page :)
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tantek I didn't touch that
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snarfed ah! true.
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tantek I took a guess at where you added the check for "See Original"
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caseorganic snarfed++
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tantek see step 4: http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#Algorithm
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tantek snarfed, if that's not where you implemented it, it would be interesting to know why
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tantek or rather, kylewm :)
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tantek kylewm++
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snarfed tantek: no, you're right, at a high level, it's effectively there.
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jonnybarnes for those of you saving the HTML from webmentions, how are you naming your html files? /cc aaronpk barnabywalters
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: http://indiewebcamp.com/indiearchive
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aaronpk basically a path on disk that mirrors the URL
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: https://github.com/Taproot/archive
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snarfed.org edited /Bridgy (+275) "/* Implementation details */ FB "See Original" links" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes yeah, but you can't have the '/' character in a unix filename, its one of the few characters you can't
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aaronpk barnabywalters++ I forgot about that project
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: '/' is a folder separator
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aaronpk works magically :)
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jonnybarnes its also common in URLs
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snarfed.org edited /Bridgy (+0) "/* Implementation details */" (view diff)
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aaronpk right
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barnabywalters it’s not *exactly* an indieauth implementation, but it’s been working very nicely for me
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barnabywalters s/indieauth/indiearchive
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: it’s not *exactly* an indiearchive implementation, but it’s been working very nicely for me
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@kevinmarks “@jkottke: Whipped up a little API for it as well: http://t.co/3QRWr1zXGH” #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/446345899933847552)
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@davidmead @warrenellis I've been posting about diving back into #IndieWeb too at http://t.co/5njZpmbI5W. #WebMentions is a good start, easy too (twitter.com/_/status/446345940207546368)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: maybe this will help: http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/p3k_external_files-20140319-110204.png
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barnabywalters it differs because indiearchive puts the archived datetime at the beginning of the path where I put it in the leaf — makes it easier to see what versions are available for any given URL
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barnabywalters another difference is that I store headers
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aaronpk barnabywalters: that is worth documenting on the indiearchive page. (I haven't actually implemented it as described by that page yet either)
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@bretolius RT @aaronpk: Two great #indiewebcamp submissions for the Knight #newschallenge! https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/indieweb-fellowships-for-the-independent-and-open-web ... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/18/2/indiewebcamp-newschallenge (twitter.com/_/status/446346190955614208)
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aaronpk there, now that has a better home
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tantek there now we have a friendlier URL to invite gen 2 folks to the discussion
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tantek since "IRC" means nothing to gen 2+
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tantek (nearly nothing, or "scary old unix thing")
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/discuss
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indie-visitor testing...
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KartikPrabhu hey! it works :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu woot!
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Loqi yay!
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tantek aaronpk - you might be interested in: http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-news/ellen-degeneres--record-breaking--selfie-inspires-hilarious-memes-including-grumpy-cat--of-course-045110776.html - see if they accept webmentions ;)
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk aw they didn't link to mine
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@timpritlove @jeena was ist indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/446350959292477440)
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tantek aaronpk - clearly someone didn't tip them off
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aaronpk I even posted mine as a reply to the original so it shows up in the giant thread!
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tantek ja, was ist?
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_skinny tantek: stickers shipped today
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tantek stickers, new FB page, man, we're like marketing or something
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tantek ahem: https://www.facebook.com/indiewebcamp
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KevinMarks indieweb über Atom
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tantek let the LOLLing begin
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KevinMarks " Indie Web Camp joined Facebook." - splitters
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_skinny can we buy faceweb.com?
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KevinMarks as it's owned by someone in Grand Cayman, probably can't afford it
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@ImFrom_PLANET_X RT @warrenellis: IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 [new site post] (twitter.com/_/status/446352679951155200)
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tantek presumably someone already has indiefacebook
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_sgreger hello indieweb! just thought to introduce myself. i'm currently playing around with a small posse plugin for wordpress.
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tantek welcome _sgreger!
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KevinMarks nope
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KevinMarks though that would get a trademark C&D pretty quickly
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tantek ya think?
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_skinny indiefacebook is a lawyer trap
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KevinMarks "drop the indie"
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tantek how about indiespacebook then? ;)
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caseorganic _sgreger: welcome!
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KevinMarks facesilo.com is available
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chrisroos HWC has started and we're using https://talky.io/indiewebcamp
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KevinMarks looks liek a good turnout
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tommorris hey all
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KevinMarks facesilo is very tempting
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KevinMarks tweetsilo is also available
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_sgreger i have some additions i would like to make to the wiki
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_sgreger do i understand correctly that any "indie" is welcome to add, regardless of the level of participation?
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@jeena @timpritlove konkret für euch interessant http://indiewebcamp.com/posts bzw. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry alles noch in Kinderschuhen aber wenn man … (twitter.com/_/status/446356027580350464)
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KevinMarks also siloplus
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KevinMarks did jeena just say we're still in baby shoes?
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Jeena hehe kind of
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Jeena the guy @timprittlove is an interesting figure, he is the leader behind the Podlove project http://podlove.org/ where they try to make publishing of podcasts easier for everybody
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KevinMarks podcasts are the last place we still use feeds
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KevinMarks (for we read me)
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Jeena and he was talking about the problem with feeds in one of his podcasts, that the clients don't understand next and previous links in feeds so some people have 10 MB big feed files
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@EvilTantek My plan is working! Looks like the #indieweb community has gone back to the silo that it most despises: https://www.facebook.com/indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/446357222851751936)
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Jeena all they would need to do is to add the microformats classes to their templates, perhaps I could even help them
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snarfed _sgreger: yes!!!
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snarfed please do
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KevinMarks well, you need to be at level 2 to edit, but yes, please do
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Jeena _sgreger you need to have your own domain, but other then that everything goes! :D
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_sgreger unless i've overseen something, i should be level 3. so that side is covered :) it was about time to drop by here, i guess
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tantek what levels?!?
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KevinMarks http://indiewebify.me levels
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tantek indiewebify.me is a subset of IndieMark
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KevinMarks oh hang on, indieauth is level 1
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tantek.com edited /elsewhere (+184) "add FB page, rename heading to silos" (view diff)
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tantek _sgreger - check out: http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark
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KevinMarks I misread the numbers on the left
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KevinMarks I want the levels from 2048doge.com
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Loqi gives KevinMarks the levels from
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tantek why not 4096doge?
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KevinMarks sorry doge2048.com
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tantek there should be a parody, doge2468 - who do we appreciate
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KevinMarks url for site?
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caseorganic I like 65536 personally
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tantek 64k++ !
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tantek er, actually make that 64K++ :D
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KevinMarks that escalated quickly: http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/#_=
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tantek oh dear
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aaronpk i liked the 4d version
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KevinMarks "there's a chap here called aron precky"
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Jeena oh man, I'm having such a hard time explaining to people why feeds are the wrong path. Everybody is telling me that it is so easy with feeds and why would anyone not want to have a feed?
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aaronpk do they mean RSS/Atom specifically?
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aaronpk cause feeds in generatl are not the wrong path
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aaronpk ( long discussion over the weekend about that :) )
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tantek Jeena, the simple answer is, feeds don't federate comments.
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tantek feeds are stuck in the world of disparate publishers and readers
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tantek whereas the social web (FB, Twitter etc.) and the IndieWeb have moved beyond that
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_sgreger seems that the "levels" of indiewebify and indiemark are quite different things then? level 3 on indiewebify equals approx. 1.4 on indiemark (in my case at least)
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tantek when they say "it is so easy with feeds", the "it" is 2000-era expectations
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KevinMarks "my atom feed was broken for six months before someone told me"
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tantek _sgreger - right, IndieWebify needs some work ;)
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tommorris Dave Winer says feeds give you freedom. I now have the freedom to go fix my Atom feed. ;)
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KevinMarks they're talking about feeds at IWC london
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tantek feed (file)s don't give you freedom. feed (file)s are a maintenance task.
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tantek if your focus is feeds, you're stuck in the early 2000s
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Jeena Ok thanks tantek, I see I need to think and read more about that.
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caseorganic tantek: well said. re: "feed (file)s are a maintenance task."
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tantek feeds are not freedom. feeds are a maintenance tax.
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tommorris I wonder what the ‘feed’ is for a five-year-old scripting.com post.
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tantek caseorganic - *tax* not task
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_sgreger tantek: it's a great tool nonetheless, with the verification tools built in. every step towards an indie web is a good step.
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tantek indiewebify is a GREAT tool yes
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tantek the levels are a bit behind ;)
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caseorganic tantek: they're also a task!
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KartikPrabhu agrees. I think when people say feeds are convenient they basically mean "I don't need to visit the site all the time to check for updates" which is true but that is such a low expectation for 2014
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caseorganic tantek: i see, tax implies task
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tantek tax is *worse*
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caseorganic tantek: perfect
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KevinMarks very nice use of microformats 2 here: http://transmat.io/
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KevinMarks ie3 for mac would poll your bookmarks and change their icon if they had changed since you last visited
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bret tommorris: you use reeder/a feed right?
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@LloydDavis Looking at transmat.io from @glennjones think @davebriggs will like #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/446364514339291136)
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KevinMarks glennjones++
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bret glennjones++ his Microformat JS library deserves some love
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tommorris bret: yep. Reeder on iOS, ReadKit on OS X.
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bret http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats
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bret tommorris: working on an atom feed for the IRC logs. Need some people to test it when its ready. Interested?
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aaronpk bret: you know there already is an atom feed right?
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bret its per entry though
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bret iirc
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aaronpk right
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bret i want something different
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bret i want a feed of the last full day in a single entry
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tommorris bret: sure.
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tommorris That’d be useful.
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Loqi gives bret a feed of the last full day in a single entry
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aaronpk ah ok
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bret the irc logs are the only out of band news source I keep up with
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bret out of feed reader band that is ;)
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bret I guess I have checked twitter every few days since signing up too
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bret the only = one of a few other sources of news*
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snarfed gives bret http://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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bret snarfed++
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bret you make that?
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snarfed yup
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bret :D
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snarfed also https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/
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aaronpk you're gonna need twitter-mf2 and facebook-mf2 soon :)
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bret snarfed's silo liberation front
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snarfed aaronpk: man i hope so!
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bret :)
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bret grrrr why isnt my template not seeing the contents of the feed
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snarfed it'll be a while though. we can hate on feeds all we want, but it's a hell of an adoption challenge to drive migration from rss/atom to mf2. i'll be reading majority rss/atom feeds for years and years still
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aaronpk challenge accepted
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snarfed heh good attitude
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bret on an experimental note, I'm parsing the uF2 from the logs and reconstructing the atom feed from that
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snarfed bret: ssh! don't let t hear you! :P
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bret he already knows
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snarfed heh
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bret it could serve a basis for a more general tool
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bret website updates -> notifies mf2toatom -> construct updated atom feed -> ping PuSH hub
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KevinMarks could the PuSH blog not contain the mf2 markup?
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bret but that I could start playing around with only publishing h-feed and let this thing handle traditional feds
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KevinMarks s/blog/blob/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: could the PuSH blob not contain the mf2 markup?
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bret h-feed could notify a PuSH hub at the same time as the uF2toAtom
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@jeena @mrtoto @343max @timpritlove gibt ja genügend Microformats parser, https://github.com/G5/microformats2 https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2 (twitter.com/_/status/446369848726417408)
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cweiske does anyone know an alternative microformats parser written in PHP, apart from php-mf2?
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_sgreger i understand there are at least two ways to POSSE image posts to Twitter (native image vs. image card) - can somebody point me to the current "best practice"?
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snarfed _sgreger: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1/post/statuses/update_with_media
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snarfed oh, sorry, "two ways"
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snarfed i'm guessing you mean attached images vs twitter cards (https://dev.twitter.com/cards)
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snarfed we generally agreed that we liked attached images more
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snarfed wow i failed at reading your message. sorry, i'll pay more attention :P
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@kevinmarks "a fork is a retweet, a pull request is an @ mention" - @tommorris on making an #indieweb github (twitter.com/_/status/446373212289388544)
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@johnbreslin RT @kevinmarks: "a fork is a retweet, a pull request is an @ mention" - @tommorris on making an #indieweb github (twitter.com/_/status/446373307437166592)
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tantek to anyone who thinks "it is so easy with feeds" - I challenge you to stop using Twitter.
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tantek only then will you realize what "feeds" is missing
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_sgreger snarfed: no prob. thank you for the info!
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks I thinkI stopped using feeds and blogs becasue of twitter
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KevinMarks I even wrote a blog post about ti, back when I still did that
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KevinMarks http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/11/bloggings-not-dead-its-becoming-like.html
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KevinMarks feeling I should have been noterloving the london HWC
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Jeena tantek the answer to that is "Twitter and Facebook are something compleatly different then a open syndication ecosystem" (that is not me talking that is Tim Prittlove)
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snarfed noterlove!
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KevinMarks very interesting indiegit discussion
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Jeena the problem is that we and them are talking about different things.
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KevinMarks sing that to the tune of Kraftwek Computer Love, snarfed
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snarfed lol
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KevinMarks "try and do it without identity to begin with"
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KevinMarks indiesilo.com is also available.
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Jeena hehe
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KevinMarks so tempted to register all these urls with silo in
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KevinMarks eh?
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@ecspike Hacked a bit on @kevinmarks ' NoterLive this afternoon #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/446378933445877761)
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tantek Jeena, not "completely different", we're solving what Twitter and FB provide, *without* feed files
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tantek plus we're ALSO solving what feed files provide
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tantek we're at the point where - IndieWeb approach - solves FB+TW+comments+feeds
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tantek whereas feed files solve - 2000-era use-cases only
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@newaccelerator Warren Ellis: IndieWeb http://tweepio.com/30953 (twitter.com/_/status/446379855169351680)
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Jeena yeah, I'm just doing a bad job in explaining it that way in 140 chars on Twitter :-/
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Jeena but some of those who discussed got what I was trying to say anyway, and they're in this Podlove community too, so perhaps I was able to plant the first seed, who knows.
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tantek Jeena, "explaining … on Twitter" <-- that's problem
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tantek everyone who tweets about supporting feeds is ironically publishing WHERE THEY HAVE NO FEED
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tantek the irony of their behavior
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Jeena exactly, that was actually my 4th tweet, but they just kept discussing ^^
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Jeena hehe
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tantek they are anti-selfdogfooding their own philosophy
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tantek Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 5 karma
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Jeena yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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KartikPrabhu wow! Warren Ellis is interested in the indieweb now....
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KartikPrabhu is excited
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KartikPrabhu ref: http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111
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KartikPrabhu that'll be a big gen 2 user
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Jeena If I have a podcast on my website, then I assume I would do <audio class="u-audio"><src="foo.mp3"></audio> and would get it from a mf2 parser too?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: getting " Error: unhashable type: 'dict' " on bridgy/publish
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: whee! bugs, always bugs
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snarfed sorry. looking now.
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tantek Jeena, the "how to podcast" with microformats I'll put into KevinMarks's bucket :)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I suspect you are expecting u-in-reply-to to be a dictionary of urls, but I am using the "u-in-reply-to h-cite" pattern
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: oh wow. it's because the parsed mf2 has a dict value for the in-reply-to property, and i thought it would always be a simple string url
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snarfed heh, great minds
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KartikPrabhu :)
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snarfed got a link to that pattern?
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KartikPrabhu I am sort of following tantek: http://tantek.com/2014/042/t3/learned-made-irc-wiki-works-hentry-hreview
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tantek pretty sure in /in-reply-to
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bret tantek: here is something fun, xml excapted microformatted html content in an atom feed XD
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: http://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to#How_to_consume_in-reply-to
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bret KartikPrabhu: add that link to the wiki!
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KartikPrabhu "If the item is an embedded microformat, check if it has a url property. If it does, append the first url property value to in-reply-to-urls if not already there "
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KartikPrabhu bret: sure will
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bret posts about indieweb
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snarfed thanks. on the same note, i see "optionally an embedded http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite" u-in-reply-to: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Properties .
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snarfed ok
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tantek nicely found KartikPrabhu!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++
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KartikPrabhu woohooo! double digits karma. level up
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Loqi [mention] https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2014/03/19/why-we-need-first-person-technologies-on-the-net/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects (pingback)
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snarfed ok, filing the issue now. won't have time to work on it until at least tonight, but KartikPrabhu, feel free to take a crack at it if you want! should be just a couple lines to change
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KartikPrabhu will look at it, but I don't want to mess around with bridgy's code and break it somehow
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snarfed no worries, it has good test coverage, and you don't (yet!) have the permissions to deploy anyway
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snarfed plus this is publish, which so far just you and i use :P
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KartikPrabhu ok made a minor addition. feel free to change + add to it
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KartikPrabhu actually do change/add to it. I'm pretty lousy at wiki changes
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bret Does any indieweb favicon sized artwork exist?
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snarfed bret: i sense a photoshop of http://indiewebcamp.com/logo in your future :P
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KartikPrabhu actually, a shrunk logo might not be the best favicon. but i don't have any better suggestion at the moment
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snarfed nah, shrunk won't work well because of the aspect ratio, but i could imagine layering the three shapes on top of each other
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snarfed (imagine is the key word, as opposed to actually do)
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snarfed btw KartikPrabhu, let me know if you're at all interested in trying that bridgy publish bug fix, happy to help you ramp up
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bret I cant stop seeing the old EA logo when i look at the IWC logo
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snarfed bret++
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Loqi bret has 8 karma
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bret i forget who pointed that out
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: i am looking at the code and formulating a plan at the moment
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: awesome!
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KevinMarks tantek, did you write up results from your contacts experiment? I'm on TWiG and want to talk about it in ref to google voice
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kartikprabhu.com uploaded /File:iwc-icon.svg "attempted indiewebcamp icon."
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KartikPrabhu made an attempt at a favicon style icon for indiewebcamp... svg so far http://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-icon.svg cc: bret
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KartikPrabhu direct link: http://indiewebcamp.com/images/e/e4/iwc-icon.svg
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bret KartikPrabhu: Rad!
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bret i dig it
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KartikPrabhu :D
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bret fighting my 2008 macbook air right now >:( getting distracted from the end gaol
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bret goal*
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bret mds deciding to destroy my cpu
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KartikPrabhu cc: aaronpk, tantek, caseorganic ^^ attempted iwc favicon - http://indiewebcamp.com/images/e/e4/iwc-icon.svg
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tantek KevinMarks - it's still in progress
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tantek writing up my blog post about the URLs today
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tantek will get that out tonight I think
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tantek KevinMarks - for now you can point to the top level post which will link to each of the next posts in the series as they get published
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KevinMarks I linked to the diagrams
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KevinMarks was just talking about it
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tantek http://tantek.com/2014/067/b1/building-blocks-people-focused-mobile-communication
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@beng Suddenly interested in indieweb. http://t.co/hseQEiJQVZ's fault. (twitter.com/_/status/446403511849611264)
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KevinMarks http://tantek.com/2014/067/b2/mockups-people-focused-mobile-communication
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tantek ah ok - first in the series - good
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tantek I'll link from that one to the URLs one when I have it up tonight
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KevinMarks the visuals are very helpful when talking about it
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tantek great
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tantek exactly why I chose to blog that first before trying to code it
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tantek to at least get the idea/narrative out there
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tantek because I had a feeling it might be harder to code than I expected
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tantek as was borne out in yesterday's experiments!
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KevinMarks did you see this one? an antipattren for what you're doing: http://9to5google.com/2014/03/18/google-plans-kill-google-voice-in-months-integrate-features-into-hangouts/
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KevinMarks not clear which modality will happen if you click hangouts
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tantek hahaha that is funny
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tantek well hopefully they will support all the URL schemes for different modalities!
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tantek and then we can build our own modality-specific UI as we please
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tantek already filed bugs about Hangouts's lack of gtalk: support
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: made a standalone function to get in-reply-to urls commented on issue with link
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KartikPrabhu couldn't figure out how to best edit bridgy code
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indie-visitor hello - question..... have my own domain hosted with square space - I don't see where I can add the "rel me" links ?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: thanks, i'll look at that. sorry it wasn't easier!
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snarfed don't know if you looked at my comments in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/101 ? i mentioned a file and line #s there…but maybe it was hard even with that?
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snarfed hi indie-visitor! i don't think many of us use squarespace, sorry
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: that's fine. that file had many parts I didn't understand. I'll have a look again. the function should be helpful nonetheless
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indie-visitor ok no worries, guess I should just get a proper hosting company ----- bluehost?
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snarfed indie-visitor: aha, looks like this could help: http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/squarespace-web-sign-in/
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snarfed top google result for 'squarespace rel-me link'
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indie-visitor awesome, thank you <snarfed> :)
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aaronpk whoa barnaby did that?
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snarfed evidently
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aaronpk neato
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KartikPrabhu also indie-visitor use "/nick youname" to change your nick to a better one
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paulmeyers Thanks >KartikPrabhu>
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KartikPrabhu np! welcome paulmeyers
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KevinMarks are you coming here from TWiG?
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KevinMarks hi!
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paulmeyers <snarfed> - that how to article was perfect, worked like a charm....thank you
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snarfed paulmeyers: glad to hear it!
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snarfed !tell barnabywalters kudos here from a squarespace user for your rel-me howto
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@Rmanniez http://indiewebcamp.com/ le futur de l'intégration des réseaux sociaux.. (twitter.com/_/status/446415923483000832)
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kylewm Hi tantek, KartikPrabhu pointed out to me that the rules for parsing implied URL properties don't say they should be converted relative -> absolute. Is it safe to assume they *should* be converted?
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kylewm http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_for_implied_properties
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tantek they do actually say that
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tantek oh whoops!
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kylewm Ok great, I don't want to be tedious, but the specs are so exhaustive that I wanted to make sure there wasn't a rationale I didn't know
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tantek same for implied photo!
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tantek excellent catch
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tantek KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 12 karma
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tantek kylewm++
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kylewm thanks!
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tantek fixed!
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tantek phew!
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tantek I'm assuming parsers were already doing that?
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tantek it's just that the spec failed to explicitly mention it before?
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kylewm mf2py was not
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tantek oh interesting
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tantek but phpmf2 was?
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kylewm if that is what pin13.net is using, then yes
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KartikPrabhu yeah pin13 is php-mf2
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kylewm your site makes for good test cases, btw. I think Aaronpk and snarfed use mf2 more defensively :)
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KartikPrabhu i just blindly added each step from the spec while adding to mf2py. I guess I should have given it a bit more thought but great catch kylewm
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aaronpk knows nothing about the implementation of the php parser :) that's all barnabywalters
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kylewm aaronpk, I meant in your *use* of microformats!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, thank you, though following the spec + testing seems like a good methodology to me
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snarfed i would describe my use of mf2 as "ignorant"
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snarfed or maybe "dog science"
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kylewm maybe you use the parts that you know work, and tantek uses the parts he knows are supposed to work :) I'm bad at testing my own code, always do the former
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Loqi reorganize sections
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caseorganic pfenwick: hey there!
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caseorganic Gosh, today all I wanted to do was work on IndieWeb. So many things got in the way. :(
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pfenwick caseorganic: Morning!
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caseorganic pfenwick: what's your location, sir?
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caseorganic pfenwick: it will be great to see you again when you're next in PDX!
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kylewm paulmeyers, nice looking site!
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paulmeyers hey <kylewm> - thank you! appreciate your comment!
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pfenwick caseorganic: D'aww! <3 Right now I'm in Melbourne. Then Canberra (in nine days), then Sydney and near Auckland in the following weeks.
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pfenwick caseorganic: My next planned trip back to PDX is for the OSCON/OSB conference season (June).
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I think I now know how to change things in that bridgy file. Should I just fork it?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: you're looking at microformats2.py?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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snarfed sure! definitely feel free to fork activitystreams-unofficial and send a pull request
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed and for the test, you'll want to either add new files to testdata/ or a new method to microformats2_test.py
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snarfed ideally the former
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caseorganic pfenwick: the best time of year to be here! indiewebcamp is going to be epic this year. you'll be able to see our new office, too! (we're hosting it there)
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caseorganic pfenwick: I visited Canberra last year for an IT Service Desk management conference. Got to eat dinner at that magical concrete fortress of government.
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paulmeyers question? is there a preferred Web Hosting Company with the users on indiewebcamp?
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caseorganic pfenwick: government house
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pfenwick caseorganic: If IndieWebCamp is on again the same time this year, then I should be there. :)
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caseorganic pfenwick: excellent!
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pfenwick caseorganic: Oh! I had dinner there as part of a Linux conference. :)
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aaronpk paulmeyers: http://indiewebcamp.com/hosting
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pfenwick caseorganic: This time I'm just up there teaching. Nothing near as fancy, but there's some awesome vegan restaurants in Dickson. :)
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snarfed paulmeyers: to expand on that, there isn't really a single recommended provider. it depends on you and the things you care about
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pfenwick caseorganic: Also I'm going to generally encourage you to come to Codemania. :)
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caseorganic pfenwick: oh NO.
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caseorganic pfenwick: that continues to be impossible! i should really try this year.
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pfenwick caseorganic: No... Have I missed something?
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pfenwick caseorganic: Oh, phew! I thought maybe something had happened to Codemania and somehow I was out of the loop.
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paulmeyers <snarfed> currently hosting with Squarespace - it is due in a few months so "kickin tires" right now :) Thanks
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caseorganic pfenwick: sorry. I should be careful with capital letters. organizers have been trying to get me to go for years!
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caseorganic pfenwick: but if i went and could do both a workshop on indieweb as well as a speech, i might be able to pull it off. the biggest issue is travel time. i've got my travel all stubbed out until 2015 already, and the rest of the time i need to spend in the office
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pfenwick caseorganic: Gosh, that sounds familiar. I'm really considering doing my closing keynote at OSCON, hopping on a plane, and flying directly to Hope X. (I'm doing a similar thing for KiwiFoo,and arriving at 2am of the second day.)
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caseorganic pfenwick: sounds great! and intense
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pfenwick KiwiFoo is awesome. As far my friends who have offered to pick me up at midnight from the airport.
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pfenwick s/far/ar/
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Loqi pfenwick meant to say: KiwiFoo is awesome. As ar my friends who have offered to pick me up at midnight from the airport.
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caseorganic pfenwick: KiwiFoo sounds really interesting!
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KevinMarks gah. took a patch to noterlive and now my heroku build is failing and I need to go catch a train.
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pfenwick Oh goodness,I can't words. Clearly coffee is needed.
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KevinMarks pretty sure it's not the patch
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KevinMarks just some library version infighting