#indiewebcamp 2014-03-20

2014-03-20 UTC
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: PR sent
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: woot! looking now
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Loqi yay!
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KartikPrabhu very unfamiliar with JSON so did not try to add that to the testdata/
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@rsseater WarrenEllis: IndieWeb: This is a thing I’ve been following since last year.  Willow Brugh has just taken a sho... http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/446438801104453632)
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@iYumiii IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/446439240256458752)
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@karinafranciell IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/446439240436830208)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: unfortunately, you do need to add json and probably activitystreams testdata files. testdata_test.py can only test when it has both an input and output file
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KartikPrabhu aah! did not know that. sorry... I am very JSON and AS illiterate
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KartikPrabhu :(
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snarfed np!
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snarfed the mf2 json will be the exact same thing as the python dict representation
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KevinMarks nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCqOyN4cjE#t=48
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kartikprabhu.com edited /web_hosting (+262) "/* Shared Hosting */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /web_hosting (+74) "/* Virtual Private Server (VPS) */ added self" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: I made the changes you suggested and moved the function directly into microformats2.py . But I don't know how to do that with the test html. So I've left that alone for now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` Does the wiki have a template sandbox so I can experiment with some things?
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Loqi [mention] http://www.discovercheapstuff.com/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.discovercheapstuff.com/indieweb-and-rss/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 34 minutes ago: I made the changes you suggested and moved the function directly into microformats2.py . But I don't know how to do that with the test html. So I've left that alone for now
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gregorlove.com created /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+687) "Testing an idea for the 2014/Guest_List that is more visually appealing and does not use tables" (view diff)
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kylewm.com uploaded /File:SeeOriginal.png "POSSE to Facebook from kylewm.com using "See Original" action."
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+69) "Trying background-image css" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (-36) "background-image css not allowed due to insecure content :/" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+340) "/* See Original */ add a little detail about "See Original" links and a screenshot" (view diff)
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kylewm re^ my first POSSEd to Facebook post was a little pandering...
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dariusdunlap *wave*
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+15) "/* See Original */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com uploaded /File:SeeOriginal2.png "POSSE to Facebook post demonstrating custom "See Original" action"
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kylewm less pandering now...
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kylewm should we note somewhere that FB posts have to be public to be bridgied?
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kylewm since I don't think that is the default for most people who post on FB
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+1103) "Second iteration. Feedback welcome." (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+189) (view diff)
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dariusdunlap Do they have to be public? I hadn't thought to test that. I guess I figured since it's effectively "signed in as me", that it could see anything I can see...
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gRegor` Trying out ideas for the guest list (template): http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox Feedback is welcome.
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dariusdunlap That's nice, gRegor.
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@CaseyMoore IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 (twitter.com/_/status/446476514356260865)
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@CaseyMoore IndieWeb - Found through Warren Ellis: http://caseymoore.tumblr.com/post/80130266487/indieweb#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/446478798196731904)
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tantek catches up on logs
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tantek notices that a site called "discovercheapstuff" is copying winer posts in entirety and adding spam links.
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tantek didn't we rename RSS to Really Simple Spamming?
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tantek e.g. discovercheapstuff (dot) com/indieweb-and-rss/
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tantek !tell caseorganic I sympathize, re: wanting to work primarily on IndieWeb things!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm dariusdunlap, I think Bridgy could technically backfeed non-public posts, but it chooses not to. I had that problem pre-bridgy when I was playing with backfeeding from Twitter and copied one my "Protected" friend's tweets back to my public site
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tantek yeah, better to err on the side of public only until we get more experience with it
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tantek that *is* an excellent video KevinMarks: http://youtu.be/PRCqOyN4cjE
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+134) "add Willow's sketch explanation video - excellent!" (view diff)
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acegiak so I've finally got my tumblr possing fixed again >.<
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acegiak I really need to make it into a separate plugin rather than hacking on someone else's
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Loqi caseorganic: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 4 minutes ago: I sympathize, re: wanting to work primarily on IndieWeb things!
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tantek :)
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snarfed !tell kylewm, dariusdunlap yup, you're right, bridgy intentionally only handles fully public posts. https://www.brid.gy/about#public . happy to expand on that or add that link somewhere else if you all think i should!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: thanks for the updates! looking at the pull request now
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KartikPrabhu cool
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snarfed we do need the rest of the test data files, but if they didn't make sense, i'm happy to fill them in
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snarfed or i can help you with them
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snarfed whichever you prefer
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KartikPrabhu i still don't understand JSON/AS enough to write them myself
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snarfed totally understandable
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snarfed i'll add them and point you to the commit
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snarfed thanks again!
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KartikPrabhu sure thing
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acegiak do we have some kind of pubsubhubbub/mf2 hack going anywhere? so we can do mf2 pushing?
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aaronpk acegiak: only in theory
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aaronpk PuSH has officially changed to support not only XML feeds
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aaronpk But nobody here as far as I know has tried it yet
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@kevinmarks "@YahooMusic: .@iamwill describes his defining web moment. #web25 #25on25 https://twitter.com/YahooMusic/status/446521457800015873/photo/1 " #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/446545504818577408)
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acegiak aaronpk: hmm. I'll have a play with it tomorrow.
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@Neilmajor The IndieWeb. Interesting development - in light of recent events (via @warrenellis http://indiewebcamp.com/?utm_content=bufferaa778&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/446548306957975552)
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@ricocapricorn RT @kevinmarks: "@YahooMusic: .@iamwill describes his defining web moment. #web25 #25on25 https://twitter.com/YahooMusic/status/446521457800015873/photo/1 " #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/446568776964644864)
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cweiske so, a botnet found webmention
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Loqi barnabywalters: snarfed left you a message 12 hours, 40 minutes ago: kudos here from a squarespace user for your rel-me howto
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@barryf My notes from last night's London Homebrew Website Club meetup #indieweb http://barryfrost.com/posts/91 (twitter.com/_/status/446608397556023296)
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jonnybarnes is there a list of the microforamts that bridgy generates? So for example if someone replies to a possed tweet then presumably bridgy would send a webmention using *-in-reply-to, but what if someone retweets or favs the tweet, what does bridgy send my webmention endpoint then?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: here are examples of reetweets and favourites: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/BarnabyWalters/445966450017058816/445986441362173953 https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/BarnabyWalters/443337312085495808/19090770
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: cool, that makes sense, do you know if its prefered to use u-like or u-like-of?
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Bridgy (+393) "/* How to use */ added example URLs" (view diff)
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: u-like-of is the preferred markup
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jonnybarnes similarly with u-repost-of?
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barnabywalters see also: http://indiewebcamp.com/like
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yep. consistency ftw
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chrisroos.co.uk edited /Main_Page (+46) "Make it easier to view upcoming HWC events" (view diff)
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chrisroos.co.uk edited /Events (+1802) "Add previous HWC events to the list of recent events" (view diff)
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snarfed hey KartikPrabhu, saw your bridgy publish previews
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snarfed the missing whitespace was interesting. looks like we might want to tweak mf2py to insert spaces when it strips html tags?
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Loqi kylewm: snarfed left you a message 8 hours, 17 minutes ago: yup, you're right, bridgy intentionally only handles fully public posts. https://www.brid.gy/about#public . happy to expand on that or add that link somewhere else if you all think i should!
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gRegor` !tell tantek Would like your feedback on an idea I'm working on for a guest list template: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: in-reply-to fix deployed! previewing http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/ellis-indieweb on https://www.brid.gy/publish works now
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jonnybarnes have you guys seen http://first-tweets.com/
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@Havocus IndieWeb - (1) http://indiewebcamp.com/ - (2) http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 #internet #indie (twitter.com/_/status/446666355463704576)
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kylewm_ jonnybarnes, kind of amusing because I deleted my first couple thousand tweets in a fit of privacy rage ... but it's ressurected on my personal site http://kylewm.com/note/2009/01/16/1
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@freerange Some notes about last night's #indieweb homebrew website club - http://t.co/AwQaX7KZdc. Thanks to all those that came! (twitter.com/_/status/446673521444671488)
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Loqi [mention] http://perfectpath.co.uk/2014/03/20/a-podcast-during-barcampnfp-with-davebriggs/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-03-19-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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@kartik_prabhu Very exciting to have @warrenellis talk about the #indieweb. (http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/ellis-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/446687313838350336)
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KartikPrabhu just POSSEd my first note through bridgy/publish! awesome stuff!
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KartikPrabhu bridgy++
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Loqi bridgy has 8 karma
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caseorga_ KartikPrabhu: conGRATS!
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caseorga_ KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 13 karma
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KartikPrabhu caseorga_: Yesterday I attempted a favicon for indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/images/e/e4/iwc-icon.svg
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KartikPrabhu just somethign more square
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: its alive! first POSSE through bridgy/publish. thanks for the hard work! snarfed++
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@floehopper RT @freerange: Some notes about last night's #indieweb homebrew website club - http://t.co/AwQaX7KZdc. Thanks to all those that came! (twitter.com/_/status/446688548893491200)
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@tomstuart RT @freerange: Some notes about last night's #indieweb homebrew website club - http://t.co/AwQaX7KZdc. Thanks to all those that came! (twitter.com/_/status/446690652106293248)
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wagle aaronpk: http://hacklang.org/
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wagle i assume that pdp on steroids or somesuch
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wagle i assume that's php on steroids or somesuch
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Loqi tantek: gRegor` left you a message 2 hours, 22 minutes ago: Would like your feedback on an idea I'm working on for a guest list template: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox
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tantek Hey Gregor those are looking pretty cool!
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cweiske aaronpk, tantek - why don't you POSSE your source code?
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tantek cweiske - you mean e.g. by running git locally on our servers and then POSSEing to github?
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cweiske yep
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cweiske I do that via post-receive hooks
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tantek ooh - that's awesome!
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cweiske s/git/gitweb/
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tantek we should!
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cweiske I registered a user "cweiske-mirror" on github that is only used for pushing code from my server to githbub
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tantek so I do always publish CASSIS at tantek.com/cassis.js (which my site then uses live) BEFORE I update the copy on github
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cweiske https://github.com/cweiske-mirror?tab=activity
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tantek but that's a manual POSSE - and just one source file
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benwerd https://www.gitlab.com/ looks interesting for self-hosted beyond-git githubby kinds of features
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cweiske I use plain old gitweb, http://git.cweiske.de/
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cweiske I "git push -f" to github in mirror mode, which means any changes on github that are not on my server get overwritten
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cweiske which means that I cannot use the merge button on github
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tantek.com created /code (+511) "stub with cweiske example, a few bits of code hosting software you can use" (view diff)
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cweiske but have to manually merge
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tantek.com edited /code (+240) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ process" (view diff)
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tantek cweiske thanks for setting a good example with code hosting
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tantek indie code that is
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tantek just started this page with your inspiration: http://indiewebcamp.com/code
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tantek please feel free to edit / update as you see fit!
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tantek :)
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cweiske tantek, this is the reason I'm interested in git fork action buttons that work across websites
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cweiske remote forking
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cweiske "fork to my git server"
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cweiske my git-based pastebin supports remote forking a bit
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phorkie-0.3.1.htm#federation
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cweiske what I still miss is a "fork me" button on other websites that take me to my git website to initiate forking
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cweiske one could use a "web+fork://" protocol
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cweiske or something similar to subtome
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 47 minutes ago: its alive! first POSSE through bridgy/publish. thanks for the hard work! snarfed++
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aaronpk cross-site fork buttons would be sweet
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aaronpk I do run gitlab on my own server, but it's not public
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aaronpk and my projects live on either gitlab or github, but not both
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snarfed thanks KartikPrabhu! I saw it too. glad to hear you liked it! now to finish the ui and announce it...
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: true and i should get webmentions to get backfeed :)
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snarfed totally!
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tantek what aaronpk said. cross-site fork buttons would be sweet!
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tantek cweiske - perhaps add a "Brainstorming" section to the wiki page describing what you said above?
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@rafalavor "It’s a way of regaining control of your information, data, and profile online." / IndieWeb http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/446702213348352000)
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tantek aaronpk - did you see the webmention "spam" in the logs?
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aaronpk no, haven't caught up yet
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tantek earlier this morning
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aaronpk oh jeez
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aaronpk weird
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barnabywalters on the bright side, at least it’s spam *about* webmention rather than spam *via* webmention
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aaronpk that'll happen soon enough :)
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cweiske tantek, will do
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cweiske after dinner
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aaronpk tantek: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/20/1/secret-stats
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@diogomscampos IndieWeb http://t.co/tH1ogjKtH9, interesting project to take back control of data we share through silos (FB, Twt) https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/446703886930575361)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: pooh cool, what other apps are dumping info to the console?
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barnabywalters s/pooh/ooh
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: aaronpk: ooh cool, what other apps are dumping info to the console?
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barnabywalters damn autocorrect
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aaronpk lots of system level stuff like locationd and wifi stuff
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gRegor` tantek: I'd like to set up a template for that guest list. I see you've set up http://indiewebcamp.com/Template:Attendee but I'm not sure it's in use? I don't want to break anything
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gRegor` should I just use a different template name?
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tantek did I?
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tantek checks hist
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gRegor` Er, nope
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gRegor` Tommorris
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tantek heh
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gRegor` drinks more coffee
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tantek whoa over a year ago
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tommorris Dunno. Would have to have a look when not on phone.
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gRegor` Yeah. I don't see anything on "What links here" aside from docs, but not sure MW lists pages using the template
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tantek um looks like no one uses it
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tantek gregor mediawiki does, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:main
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gRegor` tommorris: for context, I'm working on a template for guest list attendees here: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox
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tommorris MW lists transclusions. Templatifying stuff would be useful.
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tantek tommorris - any objection to having gRegor update the template with a non-table row design?
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tommorris Go for it.
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tantek you heard the man gRegor - give it a shot
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tantek and let's see if we can experiment with it for IndieWebCamp 2014
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gRegor` A template sandbox might be a useful plugin for the wiki, btw.
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gRegor` Sweet. Will do. :)
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tantek this is a pretty short list for now: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List
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gRegor` This came up because I was thinking about adding myself to the list. I hope I can make it to Portland this year, but I'm a "maybe" as of now.
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tantek so that's a good candidate for trying it out
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gRegor` yep, that's what I was looking at.
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tantek decent "real data" to see if the template actually holds up under real conditions
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tantek so go for it and we'll see what it looks like
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caseorganic Oooooohhhh attendee template!
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gRegor` In progress :)
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tantek anyone else self-hosting code?
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aaronpk I don't know if I should add myself there, cause my instance of gitlab is completely private ecept with those who I explicitly share projects with
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tantek aaronpk, while the emphasis is public sharing/POSSE, I think it's worth illustrating your split approach - private projects on your own gitlab, and public stuff on github
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tantek heck, I just added my *one file* source hosting and manual POSSE
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aaronpk heh
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tantek having more (diverse) examples will encourage more people to at least self-host *something*
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gRegor` Tada, first test with the template: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox#Testing_with_new_template
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aaronpk looks nice!
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jonnybarnes if I posse a note to twitter and someone favs the tweet, bridgy will send that back as a webmention. Presumably the original note permalink is the url bridgy uses in the target value?
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jonnybarnes * as the target value in the webmention
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snarfed jonnybarnes: yes
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jonnybarnes thanks snarfed
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snarfed you can see the gory details in the logs, just click "Recent responses" next to your account on https://www.brid.gy/
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jonnybarnes snarfed: havent logged into bridgy just yet, still writing the code so my site can handle webmentions
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jonnybarnes I think ive got replies/comments sorted now
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snarfed woot, nice!
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jonnybarnes people that save the raw HTML of webmentions (among other things maybe) so they can reparse or whatever, are you saving the HTML from bridgy webmentions as well?
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aaronpk yes, I don't make a distinction
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aaronpk I didn't actually have to make any changes when I turned bridgy on
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snarfed yay, glad to hear it
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snarfed brb, off to make bridgy send aaronpk all fb posts ever posted
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snarfed no biggie
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aaronpk uhoh
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snarfed :P
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snarfed new server, right? should be fine.
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aaronpk nooo my site is not moved yet!
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aaronpk only the wiki is moved
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aaronpk indieauth is next
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snarfed ah ok. well, tell me when.
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snarfed gl with that move btw
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aaronpk wait you really have a switch for that?
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aaronpk what does it do?
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snarfed hah god no
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snarfed just a bad joke
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aaronpk ha ok
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aaronpk btw has anybody else tried or is going to try using http://ownyourgram.com ?
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KartikPrabhu didn't know this was active. too bad I don't use instagram
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aaronpk yeah kind of relies on you using instagram :)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: why do you not use instagram?
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snarfed yeah KartikPrabhu. use more silos already!
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snarfed :P
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KartikPrabhu don't really take photos on my phone much and even then the square formats are restrictive.
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: ha!
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KartikPrabhu and the filters are annoying
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: ha ok, good to know
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KartikPrabhu yeah nothing against instagram but just not my scene
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aaronpk I should probably point out that if you have a private instagram account, using ownyourgram.com basically turns your instagram app into an app that posts directly to your site
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aaronpk but if you don't like the square format or filters then there really isn't any point :)
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Loqi definitely
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KartikPrabhu true! ownyourgram is a great tool no doubt, but not really into the instagram thing! I store images and photos mainly on google+ albums but that has other reasons
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snarfed aaronpk: still no word from the IG people i assume?
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aaronpk nope :( I think it's time to get caseorganic to hook me up with her connection there
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snarfed ohhhh yes pls
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aaronpk I wanted to wait to see what response I got before pulling that card, but it's been long enough
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caseorganic aaronpk: got your email! I'll see what I can do!
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi giggles
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jonnybarnes in terms of UX what are people doing with like sent to them as webmentions? such as a twitter favourite
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aaronpk example: http://aaron.pk/n4V81
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jonnybarnes it seems the only thing one could link to is the profile page of the account that liked your tweet
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aaronpk yes
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snarfed jonnybarnes: non-silo likes sometimes do have permalinks, and can be replied to, etc. e.g. https://snarfed.org/2014-03-10_re-kyle-mahan-3
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snarfed so i'd say look for a u-url in the like page's mf2, and if it's there, use it
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snarfed (in addition to the h-card url)
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jonnybarnes snarfed: looking at what bridgy sends from a twitter like, there is a u-url, but it points to the original possed tweet
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snarfed right. i was talking about non-silo likes
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snarfed (ie not bridgy's)
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aaronpk heh someone just sent me a webmention with a source of "hi"
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jonnybarnes anyone here use html purifier via composer?
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jonnybarnes I think Mr. Waterpigs does but he's offline
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tommorris interesting. http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2014/03/20/twitter-latest-experiment-hints-that-it-will-remove-replies-from-its-service/
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aaronpk very
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aaronpk I actually prefer the "@-less" version of replies when I'm replying to someone from my site
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gRegor` I don't like it
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gRegor` It's causing confusion, too, the way people are talking about it. Someone asked "does this mean we see everyone's conversations even if we don't want to?"
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gRegor` When really it's just hiding the at-reply part of it as metadata
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gRegor` Cool if it means it no longer counts against the character count
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gRegor` But overall . . . eh
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aaronpk you don't see that syntax on facebook really
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aaronpk sometimes people try to @-mention people in replies on FB but that usually looks really weird and forced
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aaronpk really I just see this as twitter wanting to be more like facebook and less like "microblogging"
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gRegor` Which I think is a bad move.
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aaronpk has not yet formed an opinion on whether this is good or bad
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gRegor` I'm not much a fan of FB. Always enjoyed Twitter for it's simplicity
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gRegor` s/it's/its
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: I'm not much a fan of FB. Always enjoyed Twitter for its simplicity
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gRegor` Maybe I'm mostly cranky about Twitter trying to be more like Facebook :)
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gRegor` Anecdotally, I know several people that love Twitter for not being Facebook and are annoyed at the idea of Twitter being more like FB.
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tommorris http://tommorris.org/posts/8863 ;)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: I'd like twitter to be not like FB
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KartikPrabhu "The thinking behind the change is that Twitter ‘scaffolding’ puts new users off, and makes it hard to understand and use the service" what does that even mean?
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gRegor` Translation: "We think new users are confused by using @username to reply to someone."
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gRegor` Like removing that is going to make people suddenly say "Oh yeah, now I'll use Twitter all the time."
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KartikPrabhu wait really? I think using names to reply to someone makes perfect sense
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gRegor` hashtags also fall under that 'scaffolding', at least that's the impression I got from one post.
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KartikPrabhu like we do here right gRegor`?
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gRegor` Well, I think the idea is, if you're using the app, you click someone's photo/name, hit reply, and it shows up. The "extra" @username doesn't need to show up.
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KartikPrabhu fwiw I think hastags (inline tagging) and @-names are the best UI/UX decisions in a long time
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gRegor` And I guess, similarly, if you're just making a general mention, you start typing their name and it magically fills it out? Not sure.
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gRegor` I agree, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu twitter does fill the usernames automatically on usual mentions
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gRegor` Also interesting that they were community-driven features
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gRegor` Not something Twitter came up with and pushed on to users.
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KartikPrabhu did not know that
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gRegor` Chris Messina came up with hashtags
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gRegor` And at-reply usernames used to not be auto-linked
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gRegor` But users were using it to direct tweets and they jumped on that functionality quickly
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KartikPrabhu it is funny that this comes at a time i was planning on auto-tagging #s in my notes
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KartikPrabhu or rather ironic
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gRegor` https://twitter.com/chrismessina/status/223115412
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@chrismessina how do you feel about using # (pound) for groups. As in #barcamp [msg]? (twitter.com/_/status/223115412)
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KartikPrabhu very interesting!
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KartikPrabhu side question: how do people generate short names for notes/posts
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aaronpk notes don't have names
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gRegor` Related headline from that tweet: http://qz.com/135149/the-first-ever-hashtag-reply-and-retweet-as-twitter-users-invented-them/
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KartikPrabhu sorry shortened url-slugs is what i mean
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk tantek hand-crafts the slug I believe
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aaronpk I concat all the hashtags in the note and that becomes the slug
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KartikPrabhu i am thinking of /n>{post-id} for notes and /a{post-id}> for articles
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aaronpk sometimes I hand-craft the slug
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aaronpk oh *that* part?
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KartikPrabhu for twitter and all
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aaronpk there's a thing for that
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gRegor` Tantek uses NewBase60: http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402946/NewBase60
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aaronpk hm can't find where he describes how that works
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aaronpk here we go http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/21743973/Whistle
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KartikPrabhu right now it is long as http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/nice-indieweb-reader which is unweildy for twitter/POSSEing it could be http://kartikprabhu.com/n34 or soemthign
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KartikPrabhu aah nice... thanks aaronpk++
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KartikPrabhu baah Loqi!?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 399 karma
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aaronpk basically one char for post type (n) then XXX which is a base 60-encoded version of the date, then one more char for the index of the post for that day
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, Python implementation of Tantek's algorithm here https://github.com/kylewm/red-wind/blob/master/base60.py
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: awesome! I might have just reimplemented that but good to know I can just use it :D
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kylewm the numeric part at least
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kylewm :)
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KartikPrabhu nice! thanks guys
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kylewm aaronpk, do you check u-like-of, and if so, do you know why http://kylewm.com/like/2014/03/20/1 shows up as a mention instead of a like? i sent it twice, the first time I had it marked up wrong... that might be why
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aaronpk i was noticing that... wasn't sure
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aaronpk i may only be looking for "u-like"
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aaronpk but that will change
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kylewm oh!
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kylewm confirmed
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kylewm I should've tried that first
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aaronpk meh, everyone is moving to u-like-of
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Loqi agreed.
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bret For html in an atom feed, do I html escape the html or xml escape the html?
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aaronpk :(
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jonnybarnes well, rss is xml, so xml escape?
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kylewm bret, you can include unescaped xhtml
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aaronpk but good luck with that ;)
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bret kylewm: i dont know xhtml
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kylewm I think it's roughly just HTML with all tags properly closed <br/> instead of <br>
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bret :(
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aaronpk it's basically like HTML that yells at you a bunch
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kylewm eXtreme HTML!
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bret :C
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bret kylewm: what this about base64 encoding?
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bret can I just base64 encode the html string?
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kylewm wild guess, I don't think readers would know how to read it, but I really don't know
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bret Another wack ass thing about feeds. Im trying to distribute some html. why am I re-econding it?
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aaronpk s/feeds/feed files
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kylewm especially inside a format that is so similar but not the same...
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bret sorry, feed files
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bret is it a security thing?
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aaronpk I think it's just a parsing thing
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aaronpk i thought encapsulating stuff in CDATA blocks worked relatively well tho
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bret aaronpk: no idea what that means. jekyll had this rad thing that lets you xml escape a block of template generated html
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bret ill look at tht
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aaronpk if you have something that can take html and convert it to xhtml then you can do what I do with my articles.atom feed
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snarfed bret: when i've generated atom w/html content, i've used <content type="xhtml"> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> and then included the markup directly inside, unescaped
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aaronpk snarfed: that relies on it being xhtml right? like a <br> or <img> in there will break with no closing tag?
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snarfed i think at that point, it will depend on how forgiving the individual feed readers are
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snarfed in practice, major readers i tested against handled it ok
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snarfed details: https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/blob/master/templates/user_feed.atom#L38
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snarfed sorry, late to the party, i see i'm just expanding on what kylewm suggested
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aaronpk yeah Ithink that's the best bet, that's what I do (after I run my HTML through a cleaner to generate proper xhtml)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: I'll borrow your base60.py if you don't mind!!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu, be my guest!
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KartikPrabhu sweet!
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kylewm the rest of the code is in shortlinks.py
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bret aaronpk: so if I include <![CDATA[unescaped html converted to cdata]]> that should work?
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aaronpk i don't remember exactly, but something like that
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bret ok
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bret i found a lib that can just take the cdata
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bret or, can turn stuff into cdata
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aaronpk oh man http://grumet.net/weblog/archives/rss-with-atom-example.html "Embedding Atom elements in your RSS 2.0 feed"
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bret this is insane
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aaronpk is this some sort of weird joke or did this site get hacked? http://blog.bogojoker.com/2008/06/why-cdata-matters-in-xml/
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bret i put some html in your atom in his rss
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bret also, avoid the jade markup language, DO NOT LIKE
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bret maybe im just missing the point of it
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aaronpk no srsly, that bogojoker article is weird
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bret looks kinda hacked
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bret or stolen matierla with spam sprinkled into it
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kylewm hacked or copied from somewhere else and filled with SEO words
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aaronpk the site is real, none of the other articles look like that
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aaronpk maybe an xmlrpc bot that was able to update the contents of the article?
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bret did xml by any chance get named around the time the x games started? back when it was cool to put x's in everything
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bret lol yes
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bret 95/96
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Loqi !calc 95/96
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tantek oh hey did I miss all the legacy feeds conversations?
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tantek bret, I do the painful thing of putting XHTML inside Atom XML
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tantek escaping markup is basically an admission that you've failed
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