#indiewebcamp 2014-03-22

2014-03-22 UTC
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gRegor` Hah
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KartikPrabhu !spammer @kjunga1024
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Loqi Only aaronpk and tantek can do that
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KartikPrabhu I was testing you Loqi, you have passed...
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snarfed love it
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snarfed mark a twitter acct as spam? only for admins!
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snarfed reboot the wiki (and indieauth etc) server? sure, let's all pile on!
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snarfed (not joking :P)
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basal Hey all, I'm making a Jekyll site and trying to indiwebify it. Anyone know where to look for grabbing my recent social media posts and turn them into text files?
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kylewm basal, if you everything, twitter and facebook let you download a static copy of all your history ... it would be pretty easy to scrape the data out of that
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kylewm if you want* everything
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kylewm for more recent history only, maybe a good use-case for snarfed's twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com and facebook-activitystreams.appspot.com
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basal kylewm, I'd like this to happen whenever I generate the site. There are some ruby gems that might be useful http://facebooker.rubyforge.org/ http://sferik.github.io/twitter/
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basal I guess the solution is just learning how to program :P
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kylewm :)
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kylewm activitystreams might be a pretty good bet actually, I just learned you can have it format your stuff as HTML
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Are you in Chicago? Maybe we should start up a homebrew website club chapter here.
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KevinMarks_ snarfed: twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com should add a <meta charset="utf-8"> to the HTML generated
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snarfed KevinMarks: thanks! maybe so
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snarfed i take it utf-8 isn't the html5 default…?
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@skinny #indieweb sticker has assumed its rightful place on my Mac. /cc @t https://twitter.com/skinny/status/447171733758296064/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/447171733758296064)
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KevinMarks_ I think it is, but it isn't Safari's
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snarfed also, it does set the http header Content-Type: text/html
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snarfed charset=utf-8
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KevinMarks_ right, but that can get lost if you download it
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snarfed fair enough. i'll add that.
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KevinMarks_ also, you're getting the legacy contents for twitter retweets (truncated to 140 chars)
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KevinMarks_ (I noticed 'cos my app has the same bug)
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snarfed aha, thanks
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snarfed got a link w/details?
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snarfed or search keywords?
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bret woot! http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fiwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com%2Fatom.xml http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fiwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com%2Fhtmltest&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
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Loqi yay!
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bret well that only took 4 days
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KevinMarks_ https://dev.twitter.com/docs/faq#22233
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snarfed thanks!
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KevinMarks_ presumably you can make a better activity-stream representation
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snarfed definitely. i already use the entities to convert t.co to pretty links, handle usernames and hashtags, etc
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KevinMarks_ I saw, nicely done
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aaronpk !!! I want a sticker!
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Loqi gives aaronpk a sticker
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aaronpk aw thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yes I am in Chicago. HWC-Chicago could be fun, but it would seem that'll just be the two of us
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gRegor` True. It's a start, though. "If we build it, they will come." haha
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gRegor` So I just discovered 2048 tonight and I'm addicted. http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/
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aaronpk gRegor`: http://aaron.pk/bookmarks/tag/2048/
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gRegor` Hah, wow
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gRegor` Also, interesting use of WordPress
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aaronpk it's on its way out. it'll be replaced by bookmark posts from my main site
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KevinMarks_ the numberwang one is hilarious
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gRegor` Hahaha
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KevinMarks_ the doge one is relaxing somehow
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KartikPrabhu i use it as a warmup for my brain before working :P
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KevinMarks_ the doctor who one less so
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KartikPrabhu i mean original 2048 not doge
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/444755975132569600/photo/1
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@kevinmarks I scored 23924 points at 2048, #2048game http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/ via @gabrielecirulli and got the 2048 piece https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/444755975132569600/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/444755975132569600)
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aaronpk whoa
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pdurbin aaronpk: nice tag
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KartikPrabhu i have reached the 1024 piece but don't know how hard that is supposed to be
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aaronpk this one's crazy (2 player) http://instapainting.com/2x2048/
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bret why is http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today jumping forward a day in the evenings?
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aaronpk cause timezones
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aaronpk let me see if i can fix that
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aaronpk fixed
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gRegor` Doctor Who edition for you, aaronpk
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gRegor` http://games.usvsth3m.com/2048-doctor-who-edition/
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aaronpk thx :)
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bret aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 403 karma
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bret thanks!
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aaronpk oh man. so done for today.
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aaronpk unfortunately have no energy left for any p3k work
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bret aaronpk have a beer!
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@Tredok C'est génial ce projet IndieWeb ! (á partir de 18min50 http://ecrans.liberation.fr/ecrans/2014/03/21/le-56kast-17-les-25-ans-d-un-web-a-se-reapproprier_988857 (twitter.com/_/status/447265550386094080)
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moofy o/
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moofy well this has been electrifying
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brennannovak.com edited /User:Brennannovak.com (+170) "/* projects */" (view diff)
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brennannovak.com edited /User:Brennannovak.com (+528) "/* Brennan Novak */" (view diff)
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brennannovak.com edited /web_hosting (+1000) "/* Dedicated Server */" (view diff)
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snarfed really, really, really isn't a UX designer
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snarfed relearns that every time he tries
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snarfed (damn you, leading spaces :P)
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bnvk hehe
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bnvk snarfed: need some pointers?
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snarfed bnvk: maybe!
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bnvk you gonna be on a bit later? my battery is about to die
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snarfed finishing up a bridgy ui overhaul for publish and more. i may send you a rough cut
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bnvk cool
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snarfed np, won't be ready for a while, probably tommorrow
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bnvk k
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snarfed thanks for the offer!
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aaronpk bret: beer was had!
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aaronpk what are peoples thoughts on returning multiple locations when a post is created with micropub? http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Create
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aaronpk like when your site has long URLs and short URLs (maybe on a different domain like ttk.me and aaron.pk)
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aaronpk tantek: interesting, you don't actually link to the short URL version of your notes anymore?
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tantek short URL yes, short domain no
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aaronpk I don't see the short URL anywhere
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tantek got the usability / branding feedback that consistently using my own primary recognizable domain
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tantek aaronpk - in my long notes
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aaronpk ah
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tantek ttk.me is now just for PSCs
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aaronpk hm no I don't see it there either
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aaronpk was looking at http://tantek.com/2014/067/b2/mockups-people-focused-mobile-communication as an example
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tantek that's a blog post
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tantek article
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tantek hence the YYYY/DDD/bN
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tantek :)
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aaronpk wait
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tantek *b* = blog post / article
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aaronpk ok then what post has a short URL?
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tantek here's an example of a tweet with PSL with short URL
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/445045953717088256
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Loqi [@t] Thanks @ArezuAghasey & @InfoBerkeley
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Loqi @anirvan @davelester @leslieeechen @theguice @npdoty @Lexin8r @rchoi ... http://tantek.com/2014/074/t2/thanks-infoberkeley (https://twitter.com/_/status/445045953717088256)
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aaronpk (I can't get to your archives very easily since you don't have paging on the home page)
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tantek haha Loqi expands it - you have to go to twitter.com
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Loqi nice
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tantek :P
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aaronpk oh I see! that is a recent change
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aaronpk ok so my question was whether you provide the short URL on the canonical post
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aaronpk if i'm on http://tantek.com/2014/074/t2/thanks-infoberkeley can I discover the short URL for it?
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aaronpk (looks like the answer is no)
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tantek well the PSC is there
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tantek it's self-citing
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tantek :)
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tantek " 20:56 on 2014-03-15 (ttk.me t4V42) "
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aaronpk hm yeah that's interesting. but it doesn't have an mf2 class so it doesn't show up in the parsed version.
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aaronpk I was hoping to draw inspiration from existing markup for this, but having a tough time finding existing markup.
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tantek right - the only reason it's there is for textual watermarking of a sort
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tantek didn't see a reason to mark it up for otherwise consumption
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tantek do you have a use case?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk indirectly
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aaronpk I need the micropub endpoint to return the short URL, so that ownyourgram can create the new comment with the shortlink at the end
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snarfed bret: preview is up at https://3-dot-brid-gy.appspot.com/
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aaronpk so I was hoping to use existing markup to determine how to return the short URL
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snarfed click on a user profile picture for the bigger change
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snarfed still some rough parts, e.g. the "recent responses" lists on user pages, and missing functionality, but ui is pretty complete
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aaronpk oh! wordpress uses <link rel='shortlink' href='http://wp.me/p3EDAq-2aA' />
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub () "(-588) /* h-entry */ rename "syndicate" to "syndicate-to" to better indicate it's an action" (view diff)
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aaronpk ok so I'm gonna go with rel="shortlink" since wordpres does it and so it's pretty widespread
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aaronpk based on that, the micropub endpoint should return `Link: <http://aaron.pk/xxxxxx>
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aaronpk rel="shortlink"`
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aaronpk (also going to add u-shortlink to my posts on aaronparecki.com accordingly)
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub (-15) "/* Response */ settle on `Link: <http://aaron.pk/xxxxxx>" (view diff)
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Loqi rel="shortlink"` format
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aaronparecki.com edited /micropub (-2) "/* Create */ consistent formatting" (view diff)
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snarfed aaronpk: hate to say it, but i think the extended wiki login is still only working for you. it still logs me out after hrs, and i don't have a "stay logged in" checkbox on the login page
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aaronpk why would it only work for me!
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aaronpk i don't have the checkbox either btw
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snarfed i wish i knew!
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snarfed oh, ok. thought you mentioned a checkbox a while back
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aaronpk yeah I forgot that the indieauth plugin removes it
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aaronpk and you're *sure* you don't have some weird client-side setting that deletes your cookie?
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snarfed yeah. i whitelist cookie domains, but that's it
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snarfed but we should ask others. if it works for barnaby or other people, then it's just me
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aaronpk well nobody chimed in on the github thread, I just assumed silence meant it was working fine :)
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snarfed yeah, not a big deal either way
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tantek hmm - seems to work for me?
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tantek oh hey aaronpk - yeah glad you found rel=shortlink
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tantek it's pretty well established: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-shortlink
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aaronpk great
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aaronpk hm flickr dropped it
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aaronpk oh, "it could have"
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aaronpk oh great that page even talks about it in the http headers
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tantek yeah that page could probably use some updating ;)
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tantek youtube used to have it too and I think dropped it from the markup? but made it more prominent in the UI.
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aaronpk btw I just realized that I accidentally made an HTML form for creating a post with micropub
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aaronpk (a la the note at the bottom of the /micropub page)
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kylewm.com edited /User:Kylewm.com (+309) "/* Todo */" (view diff)
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aaronpk rwar, something is eating this error message and I can't figure out what is wrong
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Loqi dariusdunlap: snarfed left you a message 2 days, 11 hours ago: yup, you're right, bridgy intentionally only handles fully public posts. https://www.brid.gy/about#public . happy to expand on that or add that link somewhere else if you all think i should!
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bret snarfed, Nice!
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dariusdunlap It’s interesting to consider what would be the correct behavior for non-public posts. At least there needs to be some method of identifying them, so that a receiving website has the opportunity to “behave correctly”, whether that means “archive only”, or some sort of “private view”. Does that already exist?
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@kevinmarks "When you see the opportunity of a new standard, jump on board with both feet." @davewiner http://scripting.com/2014/03/22/howStandardsHappen.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/447438024054304768)
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dariusdunlap Maybe since snarfed just appeared, I should say that again? lol.
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aaronpk wait what
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snarfed heh, dariusdunlap, that was actually a msg from me to you
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aaronpk ohh haha
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aaronpk "If I wanted to displace an installed standard like RSS (I don't of course) I wouldn't look to nerds to make it happen." http://scripting.com/2014/03/22/howStandardsHappen.html#aIIWTD
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KevinMarks_ in today's episode of "quoting dave winer accurately"
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dariusdunlap Oh, I know. I couldn’t remember the “tell snarfed” command, so I just said it here in case someone was listening.
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snarfed :P
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KevinMarks_ you did manage to leave/join either side of darius's reply, snarfed
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snarfed ohhh i see
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snarfed looking at logs
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dariusdunlap I htink so…
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snarfed dariusdunlap: right! people have definitely thought and maybe written about semi-private (ie shared but not public) posts and private messaging via mf2, webmention, indieauth, etc
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snarfed and implemented some parts and written more on the wiki
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KevinMarks_ there isn't really a good way of expressing a permission model is there?
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dariusdunlap Would be an interesting excercise to map out the signalling that would be useful, if that hasn’t already been done.
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snarfed i just took the very safe route with bridgy since i don't actually associate your silo account(s) with "your" web site, so i didn't want to accidentally expose anything more widely
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dariusdunlap That’s sensible.
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snarfed KevinMarks: maybe not a standard, but you can do it ad hoc with ACLs based on domain
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters I'm having a tough time tracking down some error with the mf2 parser, I can't seem to get it to show any errors, but it's causing my code to stop executing mid-page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KevinMarks_ that's where it is hard - the ACL ends up being defined in a site-specific way
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dariusdunlap I wouldn’t mind just having “Public” and “Not Public”, which I could use as a signal to archive only.
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snarfed KevinMarks: really? seems like the first pass would just be a list of domains. the implementation would be site specific, but not the technique
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dariusdunlap … o make available only in MY view, althought displaying that in a way that’s useful and clear would be another interesting excercise
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dariusdunlap Enter Open Graph… ;-)
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snarfed yup
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snarfed both g+ circles and fb networks are good prior art for when we want something more sophisticated
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dariusdunlap I hitnk you could follow G+ Circles and FB graph would “fit”
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snarfed an
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snarfed rue
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snarfed wow, i fail at typing
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snarfed sure.
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dariusdunlap lol
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KevinMarks_ actually that does work. I was thinking each site has its own set of user models, but domain is actually a pretty good proxy
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KevinMarks_ as it doesn't just work for personal domains, but also for organisations
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snarfed true!
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snarfed i'd love to see someone else implement this and then just plug it into my site
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KevinMarks_ if you can auth as google.com
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dariusdunlap Hmmm. The graph changes over time… Would get complicated if you actually wanted to track the accessibility of a given semi-private post as-when-it-was-posted.
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KevinMarks_ or as indiewebcamp.com
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snarfed well, the first pass would be indieauth, so you couldn't
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snarfed but if you did oauth instead and looked at provider, then maybe
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snarfed i'm off for now. looking fwd to reading more in logs. ttyl!
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KevinMarks_ well, it's like "do you have an @apple.com" email address
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KevinMarks_ which is how Yammer bootstrapped per-company discussions
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dariusdunlap snarfed is smart… it’s too beautiful out to be typing at this keyboard. :-)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters nvm... of course... it was something stupid
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk need an !untell command or something
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dariusdunlap lol
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KevinMarks_ an !itoldyouso command
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aaronpk so refactor. many code. wow.
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aaronpk oh no I just got another .io domain
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caseorga_ aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 404 karma
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caseorga_ !itoldyouso
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caseorga_ aaronpk's karma is not found!
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aaronpk p3k.io!
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pdurbin pekio?
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dariusdunlap Well, I cleaned up a few things… now time to take a break from the computer to get other stuff done. More later! Ciao!
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bret !tell tommorris The feed for yesterdays full IRC log should now be working. http://iwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com/atom.xml Let me know if you run into anything weird or issues if you end up playing with it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret also KartikPrabhu++ for the favicon
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bret The feed works by parsing the list of h-entry's and then writing a feed using the h-entry objects
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bret pretty neat
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bret Next up, I think I will build a more general h-feed to atom/rss layer
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tommorris thanks bret
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tommorris will sub in a minute
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Loqi tommorris: bret left you a message 3 minutes ago: The feed for yesterdays full IRC log should now be working. http://iwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com/atom.xml Let me know if you run into anything weird or issues if you end up playing with it
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bret and test it out on my own site. that would allow for auto generation of atom/rss feeds by only publishing h-feed
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bret I found xml escaping HTML inside an atom feed to be the easiest way to include html in the feed
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bret I also need to write a unicode filter to remove invisible characters that tend to screw up feed readers
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bret.io edited /IRC (+233) "/* Logs */ Added link to IRC atom feed" (view diff)
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KevinMarks So it's escaped, not native xhtml like Tantek
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bret crap timestamps are all messed up
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bret KevinMarks: Learning a new markup language was out of scope for the project
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bret maybe when I do a proper implementation
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KevinMarks Timestamps are in Utc I think
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bret i should have used lower case
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bret hour hour month month XD
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Loqi fo sho
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bret ok now it looks right
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bret KevinMarks: I basically escape the body of this HTML: http://iwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com/htmltest
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KevinMarks So I should put some & and <tags> in here to test you?
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bret lol ya!
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@70sologist "...rad thing called IndieWeb. It’s a way of regaining control of your information, data, and profile online" http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=15111 (twitter.com/_/status/447510963818729472)
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@kevinmarks RT @70sologist: "...rad thing called IndieWeb. It’s a way of regaining control of your information, data, and profile online" http://t.co/F… (twitter.com/_/status/447522766862823424)