#indiewebcamp 2014-03-23

2014-03-23 UTC
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kbs just going through the indewebcamp web site, after hearing a mention by kevin marks on the 'this week in google' podcast. Very nice stuff :-)
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kbs one question I have [being a lazy person :)] - is there any android app that currently presents the people-first approach - I guess a 'super-duper-contact' app - that somehow aggregates info from other apps by person?
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kbs eg: tap on a person - shows list of emails, sms, etc from them
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kbs glommed from other installed apps.
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kbs oops
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Loqi [mention] http://dougmckown.com/2014/03/22/webmentions-enabled-for-this-site/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WebMention (pingback)
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snarfed hey bret, forgot to ask earlier
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snarfed any suggestions on the ui?
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snarfed i'm ALL EARS
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snarfed [insert will smith/obama meme here]
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Loqi [mention] http://dougmckown.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WebMention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dougmckown.com linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WebMention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://dougmckown.com/2014/03/22/143/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/reply (pingback)
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@MogulAzam RT @kevinmarks: "When you see the opportunity of a new standard, jump on board with both feet." @davewiner http://scripting.com/2014/03/22/howStandardsHappen.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/447572491590852608)
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@dougmckown Any #indieweb folks in #Philly? Any interest in a local #IndieWebCamp? (twitter.com/_/status/447574856012283904)
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@kevinmarks @ericnakagawa yes, still are - now collaborating on #indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/447600240237883392)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: what is the "disable" button do, in the new bridgy/publish?
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bret snarfed: the only thing that pops out at me is is the stacking of user profiles. IE group all of the ryan b photos into a single object on the page.
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bret snarfed: I might take a stab at the FAQ/the header text to make it more clear when I get some time
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: disable is the new delete :P
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snarfed bret: thanks! all of that would be much appreciated
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snarfed stacking definitely makes sense, especially now that i pull domain from profile urls, so i can aggregate on that
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KartikPrabhu so does it delete the abready POSSEd copy or... ?
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snarfed each account has a separate user page, at least right now, so i'd have to think more
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: ahhh, no, it's disabling the account (for listen or publish), not deleting posts
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KartikPrabhu aah I see
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snarfed i'll add docs
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KartikPrabhu It probably is in the wrong place then... should be better to move it to a user profile/manager page if you end up making those
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bret snarfed: I also want to see a version of bridgy that I can run for just me/ make it easysih to poll for silo data on my own servers/pass accounts
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bret but thats not really high priority
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bret KartikPrabhu: check out your sweet favicon http://iwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com/
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bret ok bed time
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snarfed bret: understood. easy to run your own instance
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snarfed less easy but doable to run on your own server
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snarfed hard to make a library you could plug into an existing CMS
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KartikPrabhu bret: w00t! awesome
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Loqi yay!
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@dougmckown Any #indieweb folks in #Philly? Any interest in a local #IndieWebCamp? http://dougmckown.com/?name=153 (twitter.com/_/status/447631996517220353)
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@dougmckown Any #indieweb folks in #Philly? Any interest in a local #IndieWebCamp? (twitter.com/_/status/447642295299358720)
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@dougmckown Any #indieweb folks in #Philly? Any interest in a local #IndieWebCamp? http://dougmckown.com/?p=159 (twitter.com/_/status/447643348233232384)
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moofy o/
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pdurbin moofy: o/
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moofy \o/
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moofy Hello. I am new to this idea but I thought I would say hello.
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tommorris hey moofy
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pdurbin moofy: do you have your own domain already?
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moofy I do, though not hosting
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moofy currently just going to use github pages
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moofy The last few times I looked up web hosts I glazed over in about fifteen minutes.
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pdurbin I use github pages to host http://greptilian.com which I think of as my landing page. For non-static stuff I use subdomains. Works pretty well for me.
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moofy that is a lot of profiles.
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pdurbin yeah
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cweiske does someone have a GUI example for displaying linkback statuses for a website?
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message on 3/22 at 11:25am: I'm having a tough time tracking down some error with the mf2 parser, I can't seem to get it to show any errors, but it's causing my code to stop executing mid-page
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message on 3/22 at 11:31am: nvm... of course... it was something stupid
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barnabywalters #beentheredonethat
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barnabywalters the first spam has made it to my site: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VCBif/
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barnabywalters time to implement spam filtering!
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barnabywalters perhaps spam filtering could be POSSEd
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barnabywalters so if I mark someone as spam, or block them, and they have profiles on other silos, they’re automatically marked/blocked over there too
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barnabywalters twitter’s API has an endpoint: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1/post/users/report_spam
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barnabywalters which helpfully performs the block at the same time: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1/post/blocks/create
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barnabywalters I can’t find anything in the Facebook API, but I’ve also never seen Facebook spam comments
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barnabywalters further anti-spam brainstorming: a spam detection whitelisting service could be a single endpoint which takes the target and the source URLs
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barnabywalters and uses various lookup methods to figure out if the source is probably okay to interact with the target, via e.g. XFN or twitter social graph DOF lookups
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barnabywalters to return a single true/false value for “should I accept this comment”
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barnabywalters or maybe true/false/requires-moderation
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bnvk barnabywalters: perhaps some sort of key exchange that requires the sender of the spam to lookup a simple finger print like nonce or something on your site for the first time they try to send a web mention?
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barnabywalters bnvk: how would that work?
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bnvk so you have a whitelist on your domain, where you manually add friends / scan previously "good" comments from trusted sources
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barnabywalters bnvk: yep, another way of adding to this would be “anyone I’ve ever linked to or mentioned”
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bnvk right
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bnvk yes, that is by default
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barnabywalters as well as anyone people 1 DOS away from me have linked to
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bnvk yes, that would work too
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barnabywalters i.e., people I’ve linked to, and people they’ve linked to are all considered above-board by default
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barnabywalters where “linked” includes following, etc
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bnvk In order to get added to that whitelist (or a slightly less trusted one), a new sender of comment get's a notification upon sending a web mention "You need to verify yourself" and they can either go to your site and indieauth in and click verify
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barnabywalters interesting, that might be a good plan
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bnvk or they get taken to a screen with a nonce, that they need to resend with their webmention that once your site receives this correct nonce, then they get added to the whitelist
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barnabywalters the issue is how to send the notification to the commenter
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bnvk right, well, seems like an agreed upon standard for IW / webmentions might be in order
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bnvk we could even extend this pattern to email on Mailpile :)
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bnvk barnabywalters: couldn't the notification be sent in a similar way as a webmention to begin with?
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bnvk just a POST to the senders site?
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barnabywalters what I’m thinking is: you send me a webmention, and neither myself nor anyone I’ve linked to has ever linked to you
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barnabywalters ah, actually no scratch that — you can’t just return a different error code from the webmention request
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bnvk why?
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barnabywalters as webmentions should really be processed asyncronously
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barnabywalters which itself is an anti-spam measure
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barnabywalters to prevent DDOSes
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bnvk hrm
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bnvk ok
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barnabywalters essentially, the response from a webmention is almost always meaningless
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barnabywalters unless it was processed synchronously and succeeded
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barnabywalters I’m going to implement the simpler, service-based idea first and see if that successfully solves current spam problems
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bnvk cool
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barnabywalters I’m wondering if the service could also work as a webmention proxy
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barnabywalters i.e. you use anti-spam.com or whatever as your webmention endpoint, which forwards non-spam webmentions to your real endpoint
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barnabywalters perhaps with some extra parameter indicating if it needs moderation
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barnabywalters prediction: the way we handle spam is going to determine whether or not indieweb technologies succeed
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bnvk barnabywalters++
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Loqi barnabywalters has 32 karma
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snarfed bret: i was thinking about your interest in running your own bridgy
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snarfed you might be interested in talking to mark hendrickson
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snarfed he's working on http://asheville.io/
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snarfed mockup demo: http://asheville.github.io/dashboard/
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snarfed other similar projects: https://www.thinkup.com/ , http://socialsafe.net/ , but you've probably already seen them
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snarfed !tell barnabywalters, bnvk, one minor note: even when processing WMs fully async, you can still provide one useful thing in the response: an id that the sender can use later to look up results. requires extra protocol or UI work for that lookup, but that's straightforward.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bnvk snarfed: elaborate on this ID of which you speak?
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Loqi bnvk: snarfed left you a message 1 minute ago: minor note: even when processing WMs fully async, you can still provide one useful thing in the response: an id that the sender can use later to look up results. requires extra protocol or UI work for that lookup, but that's straightforward.
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snarfed bnvk: i made it up :P
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snarfed generate some id, store it in some datastore, and then attach webmention results later once you've processed
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bnvk is this ID relating to the user or the individual WM?
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snarfed individual WM
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bnvk ah, ok, interesting
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snarfed not a big deal, just a useful feature
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bnvk yah, i think I get what you're talking about
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kbs I'm sort of wondering how http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience compares to [say] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.contapps.android
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kbs They both appear to address the root goal of people-centered communication
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kbs but in different ways - I'm sure someone here has thought deep and long about this and has some insights to offer :)
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bret Wacky, the feed didn't update. Need to figure that out now
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aaronpk Pretty sure there's already something in webmention that talks about returning a URL to use to check the status of it
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aaronpk I don't think anybody implemented it yet tho
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aaronpk The idea of an anti-spam webmention endpoint that only forwards non spam mentions to your site is cool
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aaronpk That's the kind of thing I made webmention.io for
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:p3k-note-mini-ui.jpg]]""
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:p3k-note-full-ui.jpg]]""
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:p3k-article-compose.jpg]]""
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bret Was toying with the idea of creating a GH-pages posting interface, as a way to enable blog posts from my phone
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bret but I am thinking that a GH-pages micropub endpoint might be worth experimenting with
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aaronpk oh?
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bret aaronpk: does p3k work with micropub yet?
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bret or barnaby's taproot?
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aaronpk yes it has a micropub endpoint for creating posts, but I haven't rewritten my posting interface to use ity et
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bret aaronpk: does the endpoint work with any posting interfaces yet?
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aaronpk for simple note posts, yes
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aaronpk oh and photos of course
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aaronpk I haven't implemented it for articles yet
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aaronpk whoa, squarespace has an office in portland! it's a customer service center.
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bret I wonder if it is because all of the foodcarts
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aaronpk wtf the instagram app doesn't communicate via https, so if you're on a coffee shop wifi you can get hacked so fast
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Loqi barnabywalters: snarfed left you a message 4 hours, 31 minutes ago: minor note: even when processing WMs fully async, you can still provide one useful thing in the response: an id that the sender can use later to look up results. requires extra protocol or UI work for that lookup, but that's straightforward.
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aaronpk weird, the app doesn't even use the real api
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bret wacky
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aaronpk ah it uses some sort of signing for the request
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bret the instagram web ui doesnt work on iOS 5
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bret photos just dont show up
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bret not sure why
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bnvk aaronpk: something must be wonky with my Chrome as the wiki lots me out after 1 hr
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aaronpk that is so weird
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bnvk hehe, yah
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aaronpk i've been logged in for a week now
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bnvk friggin a
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aaronpk in chrome, too. i don't get why it would be different
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bnvk oh well
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bret doesnt seem to be saving my session either
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barnabywalters same for me
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aaronpk wat
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aaronpk this is ridiculous
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aaronpk wondering if there is some alternate original post discovery we can do for cases like instagram where you can't really post a link to your original
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I thought you had figured out how to do that, by either adding a comment or deleting/readding a comment?
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aaronpk in theory yes
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aaronpk but the comments API requires whitelist approval
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barnabywalters ah, okay
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aaronpk but I guess half of the reason for original post discovery is so that viewers of a syndicated post can find the original, in case there is a better experience available there
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aaronpk and that of course requires a visible link in the silo copy of the post
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@bretolius @julien51 There is already a line by line feed available: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/ PuSH is next for the daily log feed. (twitter.com/_/status/447837786175852544)
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aaronpk i have push enabled for the line-by-line feed already
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aaronpk I could easily add the dailly feed to the ping
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bret mine updates at 12:30
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bret let me think about it
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bret bbl
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/03/23/1/posting-photos-on-my-own-site linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/03/23/1/posting-photos-on-my-own-site linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (webmention)
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk now I can remove that stuff from the p3k page
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barnabywalters aaronpk: great work — loving all the helpful debugging info and processes in ownyourgram
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barnabywalters I’m a little concerned by caseorganic’s lack of legs though
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aaronpk hahaha
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caseorganic barnabywalters: ha! i didn't notice that
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barnabywalters caseorganic: you seem to be having a good time nontheless — yay swings! :)
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Loqi woot
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bnvk aaronpk: what's the preferred way to put images in wiki pages?
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aaronpk [[File:example.png]] or [[File:example.png|300px]] then when you preview it'll give you a link to click to upload the image
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aaronpk or more specifically: http://indiewebcamp.com/editing#How_To_Include_Images_In_Pages
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bnvk right, but do I upload images to the iwc.com server?
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bnvk ah perfect
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aaronpk yeah you definitely can
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bnvk OMG, my mom just told me her Flight 370 theory... it can be summarized in one word, aliens
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ha ha, looks like I need to improve my reply context styling to handle photos: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VCMKA/
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aaronpk man that pinterest tweet spam is getting bad
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barnabywalters pinterest tweet spam?
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aaronpk spam bots immediatly replying to my twets with a weird link to pinterest
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aaronpk wow that account was suspended within 10 seconds of tweeting me
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barnabywalters creepy, haven’t seen that particular variety yet
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aaronpk kylewm: i'm getting 404 from your mention http://kylewm.com/reply/2014/03/23/1
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aaronpk but apparently it did not 404 when you sent it cause i was able to verify it
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aaronpk twitter sent me an email with the subject line "Cat Photography"
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aaronpk because of the <title> attribute of the cat.photography site I linked to in https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/446789009398714368
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@aaronpk @zozsoy http://cat.photography/ definitely needs more cat pics. Also congrats, you win the Internet. (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/20/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/446789009398714368)
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aaronpk wow they sent like 10 tweets in that email from people
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aaronpk just pushed up a major (internal) refactor of p3k, so let me know if you notice any broken things
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kylewm aaronpk that mention was my bad. my tweet shortening algorithm munged the link so i deleted it. still need to return 410 instead of 404 for those
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barnabywalters just pushed native browser notification on new mention to taproot
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barnabywalters provided I have my site open in a tab, it’ll poll /mentions and launch a notification whenever there’s a new one
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barnabywalters using localstorage to remember when the last notification was sent across sessions
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: looking at your "repeated h-card" issue. That is a major problem in mf2py
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barnabywalters and they integrate right into mavericks notification centre!
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barnabywalters can someone comment/favourite http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VCNZL/ or https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/447863702780674048 please? want to do a quick screencast of these notifications
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@BarnabyWalters Just implemented notifications in #taproot! I get a native, first-class notification when I’m m… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VCNZL/ (twitter.com/_/status/447863702780674048)
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barnabywalters yes that one loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters: just a reply works?
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: should do
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KartikPrabhu on it :)
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barnabywalters ready whenever you are, recording now :)
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KartikPrabhu sent
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KevinMarks_ I faved on twitter
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KevinMarks_ and it shows
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KevinMarks_ :D
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KartikPrabhu wait! is there some timestamp problem? branabywalters?
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barnabywalters thanks KartikPrabhu KevinMarks! Unfortunately the notifications didn’t show up, so apparently there are more issues on my end :)
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KartikPrabhu barbnywalters ^^ KevinMarks_ reply shows 22:38 yet happens before mine with 17:37
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters ^^ (phew got it right this time)
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barnabywalters oh dammit I think this is because I threw a Date in localstorage and it serialises as a string
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barnabywalters however due to this I should be able to trick taproot into thinking it hasn’t sent notifications yet, so I can still do the recording
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bret barnabywalters: nice job on getting notifications!
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bret where do they show up?
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barnabywalters bret: thanks! it was remarkably easy. currently only on my desktop if I have my site open in a tab
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barnabywalters but I think the tab can be in the background
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barnabywalters just editing together a little demo video
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bret ahh! cool
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bret k
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barnabywalters demo video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYyNexN1qPA
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters: that.is.awesome! :D
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: thanks for the help!
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KartikPrabhu sure thing. that way I make a cameo is a youtube video! :)
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KartikPrabhu /s/is/in
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KartikPrabhu gives up on spelling correctly today
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi sleep tight!
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bret i gave up spell check in irssi
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bret :c
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bret !tell barnabywalters thats super rad.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: sorry I was out for a bit (need to figure out how to mark self as away on this new client) ... the `parsed' set is a known major problem?
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bnvk !tell barnabywalters that notification flow is awesomesauce!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: not known per se. But i think it is. I wrote a detailed comment on you issue