#indiewebcamp 2014-03-28
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kartikprabhu.com edited /h-feed (+805) "/* Brainstorming */ added truncated feed u-uid thoughts" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu alright feel free to add to the h-feed brainstorm, specially folks building using readers like aaronpk, barnabywalters
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@anildash @kellan @waxpancake @mrgan understood. My question is whether indieweb is essentially an entirely different ecosystem now. (twitter.com/_/status/449336613064421376)
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# KartikPrabhu kbs yes it is a wiki for that reason. Add a new brainstorming section and write away
# KartikPrabhu !tell demis: I see weird boxes (unicode undefined chars?) for the profile links on your homepage. Font not loading?
# KartikPrabhu feeds/reader: question - It seems that the way peopel subscribe to sites is by linking the hompage into their reader which then finds the feeds using rel="alternate". So all the relevant feeds can be linked on the homepage for dscovery. How should this be done using h-feed since each feed will have a separate link. How can we link this right on the homepage?
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tantek interesting thread: https://twitter.com/anildash/status/449336613064421376
# @anildash @kellan @waxpancake @mrgan understood. My question is whether indieweb is essentially an entirely different ecosystem now. (twitter.com/_/status/449336613064421376)
# KartikPrabhu isn't barnabywalters building a reader?
# KartikPrabhu also i don't understand what that thread has to do with indieweb. indieweb = bubble?
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# KartikPrabhu acegiak: i figured that is how current ones work with rss/atom. But how would somethign based completely on h-feed work? or should work?
# KartikPrabhu yes like many people publish multiple ones like notes and articles
# KartikPrabhu i was going to suggest rel="feed" too
# KartikPrabhu would be an interesting experiment
# KartikPrabhu very cool... I currently show only the first 5 articles on mine too...
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@kevinmarks @anildash @kellan @waxpancake @mrgan the point of #indieweb is to build an antifragile system that can grow in the face of bubbles bursting (twitter.com/_/status/449361916738027520)
# @kevinmarks @anildash @kellan @waxpancake @mrgan I didn't say it was complete, but it is a design centre. See http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture for example (twitter.com/_/status/449364774262808576)
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KevinMarks The rel alternate with type pattern is established
# KevinMarks One with type html would be legitimate
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kbsriram.com edited /pgp (+2912) "added brainstorming sections - authentication, integrity" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: but the semantics of alternate suggest that it is a different version of the sam page which is not the case
# KartikPrabhu there is a rel="feed" in the POSH section (http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#POSH_usage) cc: acegiak
# KevinMarks I'd use rel="feed alternate" and an html type
# KartikPrabhu WHATWG blog on rel="feed" : http://blog.whatwg.org/feed-autodiscovery
# KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: even if you are marking up all feeds on the homepage i.e. article-feed, note-feed etc...?
# KartikPrabhu oh sorry misread that... feed and alternates
# KevinMarks Use title to show what they are
# KevinMarks Though that isn't for <a> links
# KartikPrabhu aah nice nice... title="Notes" etc..
# KartikPrabhu this is a good little brainstorming. What would be a good place to document this?
# KevinMarks Do we have /feeds?
# KartikPrabhu yup
# KevinMarks I'm on the phone on the train, so a bit laggy
# KartikPrabhu np. will add to /feeds brainstorming.
# kartikprabhu.com edited /h-feed (+432) "/* autodiscovery of h-feeds from homepage */ added acegiak quote" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu acegiak ^^ feel free to remove the quote if you do not wish to be quoted. I thought that was a good use case
# kartikprabhu.com edited /reader (+204) "/* Brainstorming */ crosslinked to h-feed brainstorming" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu alright folks... good brainstorming. back to science doing
# KartikPrabhu feedback on brainstorming above is appreciated :)
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# kartikprabhu.com uploaded /File:autodiscovery-feed-example-adactio.jpg "auto-discovery of multiple RSS feeds from adactio.com"
# kartikprabhu.com edited /h-feed (+209) "/* autodiscovery of h-feeds from homepage */ added example screenshot" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu !tell adactio: any reason your feeds show different avatars? ref: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:autodiscovery-feed-example-adactio.jpg
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Loqi [mention] http://andysylvester.com/2014/03/28/indiefeed-gateway-thoughts/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-03-26 (pingback)
# KartikPrabhu aah np snarfed was just playing around
# KartikPrabhu neat!
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: very nice!
# KartikPrabhu if i may make a suggestion: Is it possible to return the preview as a textfield, and then have the user edit it and tweet the edit?
# KartikPrabhu yes that would make less sense as an automated response...
# KartikPrabhu in any case Bridgy is really cool stuff... really a bridge to silos!
# KartikPrabhu snarfed++
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snarfed …are up. enjoy! e.g. https://www.brid.gy/facebook/12802152
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@remka Discovered http://indiewebcamp.com during yesterday’s Ride The Lightning. I like how they formulate it. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/449418328977592320)
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@Jason_Cobb Another example of creators at mercy of providers http://perfectpath.co.uk/2014/03/27/qik-before-its-too-late-indieweb/ Download All @LloydDavis? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/downloadall/ajffocjdcmpgjmdfdfkdfdbkjafbkcke?hl=en Bloody blip.tv... (twitter.com/_/status/449438867222200320)
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@domenicoperri IndieAuth - Sign in with your domain name https://indieauth.com/#supported-providers (twitter.com/_/status/449439291010482176)
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@superfeedr @BarnabyWalters We're trying to get #Webmentions to work between http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb-microformats-fragments-subscriptions/ and http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4T3FSd/ but that does not work :( (twitter.com/_/status/449461662819831808)
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@voxpelli @superfeedr Could http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.superfeedr.com%2Findieweb-microformats-fragments-subscriptions%2F shed some light on why? Seems like there's no microformat markup on your post? (twitter.com/_/status/449470198652100608)
# @voxpelli @superfeedr When you've added it, send a pull request with an example of your markup to https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger to help compatibility :) (twitter.com/_/status/449473650589462528)
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# alistair I'm here because I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4bHb5twF4 (Amber Case - Rise of the Indieweb) via @adactio
# alistair waves
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# Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 3/27 at 1:23pm: hickup with http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/ ? I'm seeing many fewer (or no) results today on URLs that had lots of results yesterday
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barnabywalters !tell tantek RE indiewebify comments, I updated some libraries but it shouldn’t have affected anything — do you have an example URL? e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication seems to be working fine
# barnabywalters creepy, looks like someone attacked waterpigs.co.uk earlier today
# barnabywalters I have tonnes of requests in the log with URLs like /articles/modules.php/?app=user_reg
# barnabywalters these must be common URLs in some other piece of software
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# barnabywalters documented attack, URLs here for anyone interested: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VHBCQ/
# arcatan i get tons of that kind of requests for my site (which has only static html)
# arcatan i guess it's just bots blindly crawling the web to find exploitable sites
# barnabywalters arcatan: probably, yeah
# arcatan similarly i get tons of SSH login attempts for non-existing usernames
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# Loqi adactio: KartikPrabhu left you a message 8 hours, 25 minutes ago: any reason your feeds show different avatars? ref: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:autodiscovery-feed-example-adactio.jpg
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# barnabywalters tommorris: that’s hilarious
# barnabywalters or a prank — someone signed you up for spam under that email address
# arcatan a coworker of mine has a common name and apparently his namesake is the ceo of a mid-sized company
# barnabywalters cweiske: likewise
# arcatan and the hr dept keeps sending personal information to my coworker's gmail address
# barnabywalters tommorris: IIRC gmail allows you to “tag” email addresses somehow to do that same thing
# barnabywalters my mailserver doesn’t though
# barnabywalters cweiske: ah, that’s it! didn’t know it was called sub-addressing
# barnabywalters cweiske++
# barnabywalters tommorris: ow, nasty. I still use it as a reader, and chat for people who can’t be easily contacted otherwise
# barnabywalters is their API still as slow and nasty as I remember?
# arcatan i should figure out how to do all this indieweb stuff like posseing and webmentioning with my site that is static html generated by hakyll
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# barnabywalters arcatan: bret and voxpelli have been doing some great work getting static HTML sites to do things like that
# barnabywalters tommorris: :(
# barnabywalters cweiske: I think some other people have also incorporated that step into their build process, so whenver they rebuild their site, new comments are saved into the HTML
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# barnabywalters if you’re delegating webmention support to webmention.io, I made a little tool you can use to load comments in, either as an iframe or with javascript: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=YOUR_URL_HERE
# barnabywalters cweiske: you can put fallback inside the <action> tag
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voxpelli and I made https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ for a way to receive and javascript-embed webmentions
# barnabywalters cweiske: how would that work?
# barnabywalters cweiske: ah, okay, I thought you had an idea for how to do it :)
# barnabywalters well that’s the issue — subtome works great but IIRC relies on JS being hosted somewhere
# arcatan right, maybe javascript-embedding webmentions would be great at least as an initial step.
# barnabywalters web actions are the opposite, they’re just a markup pattern with fallback which clients can progressively enhange
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# barnabywalters cweiske: interesting idea!
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cweiske only "is the handler for web+reply: set to http://example.org/"
# barnabywalters cweiske: it’s a good idea! it solves the discovery problem
# barnabywalters it could even be incorporated into the webaction extension
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# Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 2 hours, 18 minutes ago: RE indiewebify comments, I updated some libraries but it shouldn’t have affected anything — do you have an example URL? e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/webmention-io-comments/?url=http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication seems to be working fine
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# barnabywalters I actually had no idea this existed — I knew apps could register to be custom protocol handlers, but not webpages, and not that discovery and selection UIs had already been built
# barnabywalters presumably either I researched it badly, or by the time I was looking at this stuff it had already been disregarded as a potential solution
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# voxpelli cweiske: I guess http://webintents.org/faq.html#protocolhandler
# barnabywalters ah, so webintents disregarded it because it can’t be used to pass arbitrary data
# barnabywalters voxpelli: any idea why that constraint exists? is it maybe a security concern?
# barnabywalters but we just need to know whether one exists or now
# barnabywalters s/now/not
# voxpelli tantek: yes, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440620
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# tantek ok commented on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440620
# voxpelli Would make fingerprinting easier: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fingerprinting
# julien51 barnabywalters JS is hosted in your browser! It’s AppCache, so loaded once, and then never again
# julien51 tantek: no Chrome retired WebIntents suppport (at least publicly because it’s still there last time I checked) because they couldn’t not get the Firefox team to agree on anything with them as to compatibility. Typical NIH syndrome.
# julien51 Now, FF has argued they did not want WebIntent because they did not like the UX… but that was not Chrome’s decision.
# voxpelli cweiske: so something like this to expose ones wanted endpoints https://gist.github.com/voxpelli/36b6485da8c54e98243c and have sites embed through indieweb:something ?
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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# ben_thatmustbeme hey kbs, i was reading back in the logs, saw you talking about some sort of pgp key stuff
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# barnabywalters julien51: RE subtome js location
# barnabywalters according to http://docs.subtome.com/publishers/ publishers add a button which loads javascript hosted on subtome.com
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# ben_thatmustbeme well I would think Bob has a rel=me link to his site and he could just have the public key posted on his site
# ben_thatmustbeme basically eliminate the keybase altogether
# ben_thatmustbeme when I get done with my site (or at least the basics of it I'll put up my public key on a page with a link thats along the lines you guys were talking about rel="publickey"
# ben_thatmustbeme alternatively, i don't know if any keybases have web-pages you can directly access to get the public key
# ben_thatmustbeme if they do I would say a rel=me to your key on the keybase's website
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# ben_thatmustbeme I had been thinking about this as well as i want to be able to generate specific keys to send between sites, and the safest way would be to use pgp and it cuts out a user having to log in at all. I just use the cannonical name to refer to a user, and the tech would do the rest
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kbs I think we've independently reached similar conclusions - so on the specifics, here's what I did. Embed a rel=key from my canonical page, pointing to a public key. For each rel=me link that lets me add a fingerprint to a profile page, I do so. Otherwise, I add a rel=pgp-fingerprint link with a post [that can be linked back to an owner] which contains a fingerprint.
# ben_thatmustbeme actually, would be very cool to put it in the h-card, I'm interested in getting some contacts list auto-pulled from h-cards
# ben_thatmustbeme to be able to auto-fetch their pgp could be very useful
# ben_thatmustbeme ahh, i see what your concern is more now. basically you want to use multiple sites to verify that the key you are getting is correct
# ben_thatmustbeme so if site A has the same key as site B, we can be sure it is correct
# ben_thatmustbeme but isn't that a bit of overkill, the fact that both sites point to each other with rel=me should be the authentication that either of them can provide the correct key
# ben_thatmustbeme hmm
# ben_thatmustbeme i guess it guards against either site being hacked and only the pgp key getting changed. but if my site gets hacked, i'm going to change my other sites to break the rel=me relationship
# ben_thatmustbeme I see, it does secure that connection
# ben_thatmustbeme i'm just concerned its getting too complex for most use cases
# ben_thatmustbeme the fingerprint would have to be on a site that isn't just a generic key store, as the violated cannonical site could just change the link to the key store
# ben_thatmustbeme it would have to be on another secure site, which for the trust to exist would likely mean a silo of some sort
# ben_thatmustbeme thats my thinking anyway
# ben_thatmustbeme indeed
# kbs People are already doing this -- https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atwitter.com+pgp+fingerprint+-php -- just formalizing this :-)
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# ben_thatmustbeme my concern is that because of POSSE just tweeting is giving a false sense of security. I'd want something that my site cannot automatically post to
# ben_thatmustbeme putting it in profiles makes sense, tweets become just as compromised the second your site becomes compromised
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# ben_thatmustbeme no clue, i have not worked with it at all
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# ben_thatmustbeme kbs, i think the most secure way would be to have one silo that is used for auth but does not have profile update api
# ben_thatmustbeme true, so long as the link is somewhere immutable too
# ben_thatmustbeme anyone have any thoughts on storing the slug in DB at time of creation vs creating it on the fly?
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@hertling IndieWeb is hugely important, but I hope we can include more than just programming technorati in the movement. http://electricabacus.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/the-indieweb-revolution-and-other-reasons-you-should-learn-to-code/?utm_content=buffer1d679&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/449574638671372288)
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@vmvisor RT @hertling: IndieWeb is hugely important, but I hope we can include more than just programming technorati in the movement. http://t.co/hz… (twitter.com/_/status/449575529985744896)
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@kyle_wm RT @hertling: IndieWeb is hugely important, but I hope we can include more than just programming technorati in the movement. http://t.co/hz… (twitter.com/_/status/449580692427386880)
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aaronpk "However, some developers love wheel-reinvention (it can make a diverting break from yak-shaving)." http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2014/notes-on-accessibility-of-web-components/
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# gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: Since the slug is usually based on information that doesn't change and isn't intended to be changed, I'd say store it at post creation time.
# gRegor` And if you do change it, be sure to set up a 301 redirect.
# gRegor` kbs, ben_thatmustbeme: Cool PGP conversation. I hope TLS on your domain is implied in all this. :)
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# gRegor` If you're serving your PGP key on your domain without TLS, I wouldn't trust it, personally.
# gRegor` Well, I suppose if your fingerprint is on multiple other sites (twitter profile, etc) then yeah, I'd trust it.
# gRegor` Without TLS, I feel like I would want to verify the fingerprint on two other sites. With TLS, I would accept just one other site.
# gRegor` It's just the MITM attack vector if the key isn't over TLS that concerns me.
# gRegor` I was thinking of gaining access to the Twitter, not MITM it. But you're right
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# gRegor` Hopefully anyone putting their fingerprint on Twitter also has 2FA on. :)
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# ben_thatmustbeme yay, url parsing works
# ben_thatmustbeme thanks Loqi
# ben_thatmustbeme I love you Loqi
# ben_thatmustbeme Loqi, will you marry me?
# ben_thatmustbeme its okay, you think about it
# ben_thatmustbeme Gah, every time I think I'm ready to swap out my new code as a temporarily working site, I realize I forgot something
# ben_thatmustbeme author page grrr
# aaronpk yay john carmack encouraging people to blog! https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/449594122936922112
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@ID_AA_Carmack (3/3) What are the hazards? What should be done to guard against them? What are the tests for failure? Blog and I'll read. (twitter.com/_/status/449594122936922112)
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@SocialSafe Jump to any date in your social networking history: http://www.youtube.com/ via @YouTube #OwnYourData #IRememeberWhen (twitter.com/_/status/449599118793383936)
# barnabywalters some writings and experimentation with PuSH fragment identifiers and the problems with them: http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/problems-with-hash-fragment-subscriptions/
# ben_thatmustbeme well, version 0.1 is up and running
# ben_thatmustbeme I have a lot of work to do, but at least I have a working site.
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@AbdTorah Indieweb and RSS http://app.swayy.co/links/8a9f21721fdf4f56804e106718a0f4d7/ #rss #vendors #consensus (twitter.com/_/status/449606575595204608)
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: nice work!
# ben_thatmustbeme thanks
# ben_thatmustbeme its up in github too https://github.com/dissolve/openblog.git
# ben_thatmustbeme I suppose it could be either, but mostly I've seen everything runs on the server and you just deal with it all there. Prevents any need for client software on your local machine
# ben_thatmustbeme if I understand you correctly
# ben_thatmustbeme and not to worry, asking dumb questions is how you learn. I ask plenty
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@ShaneHudson #indieweb RT @ManikRathee: So unbelievably bummed about this: Readmill Epilogue — https://readmill.com/epilogue?utm_content=bufferae710&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/449614737790492672)
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kylewm question about /databases-antipattern ... my instinct building a flat-file store would be to put everything in JSON blobs organized like year/month/day/note_1 ... but then am i not just building a pale imitation of mongo?
# julien51 barnabywalters yes, the load the js ONCE from https://subtome.com WHEN the user clicks on the button. If no one clicks on the button, the JS is never loaded and if it’s been loaded ONCE for a visitor it will never be loaded again…
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# Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/atom-vs-hfeed-size.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/atom-vs-hfeed-size.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/atom-vs-hfeed-size.htm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#Criticism (webmention)
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# KartikPrabhu good day! tantek
# ben_thatmustbeme good afternoon tantek
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# tantek kbs, ben_thatmustbeme you guys have seen this right? http://microformats.org/wiki/key-examples
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# ben_thatmustbeme I had not. It seems no matter what I discuss there is a page for it somewhere. I think I need to just sit down and read every wiki page for like a month first
# ben_thatmustbeme i'm slowly getting in to that habit
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# kbs (btw, I don't know that adding a key to a keyserver actually changes anything as far as the provenance of a key goes :) cf. https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=president@whitehouse.gov
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek, thanks. I'm trying to keep the code behind it as clean as possible, I want to make something super easy to hack on
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@dougmckown Exciting #indieweb news! @TrsstProject binaries are ready for testing. h/t @mrmzholland https://github.com/TrsstProject/trsst/releases/tag/v0.2 (twitter.com/_/status/449642581849161728)
# KartikPrabhu looks at TrsstProject
# KartikPrabhu aah so it is a Atom publishing/reading application built in Java
# KartikPrabhu desktop application
# KartikPrabhu shrugs
# cweiske Services now available at: https://192.168.1.5:8181/feed
# cweiske a sad day for openid: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/sourceforge-openid.htm
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# snarfed tommorris: saw you mentioned posseing to facebook from your web site! obligatory plug, just fyi: https://snarfed.org/2014-03-25_bridgy-publish
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tantek.com edited /OpenID (+176) "/* Shutdowns */ note sourceforge removal of OpenID from UI, but still supporting through old URL param, citation cweiske blogpost" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu tantek: I used truncated feeds but that doesn't seems so nice :)
# KartikPrabhu agreed. That was just something that came up in my head while writing.
# KartikPrabhu sure thing! :)
# KartikPrabhu a Google search reveals a lot of articles saying "partial feeds" so that seems good
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# tantek.com edited /h-feed (+746) "edit summary definition, use term partial rather than truncated, re-order content slightly for intro/use-case, subheads" (view diff)
# tantek KartikPrabhu - take a look and see if my edits still make sense with what you were thinking - I tried to keep the intent/meaning of what you wrote and just expand on it: http://indiewebcamp.com/h-feed#Brainstorming
# KartikPrabhu tantek: edited a small typo but otherwise pretty good. also reads better than my version
# KartikPrabhu tantek: now changing crosslinks from reader page
# cweiske which you're damning on http://indiewebcamp.com/feed_file
# kartikprabhu.com edited /reader (-35) "/* Brainstorming */ changed crosslinks to h-feed brainstorming" (view diff)
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# KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: trying webmention discovery on "https://www.brid.gy/about" gives an SSLError.
# KartikPrabhu IMO all of these design principles are guidelines. You can choose how much to sacrifice one of them for the other. Being very black & white about it seems counterproductive
# KartikPrabhu "ideals tempered with pragmatism" this should be a quote by someone famous
# KartikPrabhu tantek: would a flat file (as opposed to DB) system be better for having a easy-installation for Gen>2 users?
# KartikPrabhu yup. In fact I have a partial atom feed, mainly because I had posts that used custom CSS and scripts that don't render in feed readers anyway. I could have full feeds for normal posts and partial for custom ones, but now I am not inclined to dive into Atom/RSS to do this
# KartikPrabhu it would be great if I could syndicate http://kartikprabhu.com/article/life in some meaningful way, but I don't see how
# tantek.com edited /pgp (+201) "/* Key Lookup Algorithm */ note look for representative h-card first, since that's what microformats.org/wiki/key-examples has found and documented" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu that seems to just redirect to github
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# Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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jonnybarnes anyone here any good at PHP, I want to do something to a URL variable unless the url is a twitter.com or pbs.twimg.com url
# jonnybarnes this doesnt work:
# jonnybarnes $url = parse_url($content['photo'])['host']
# jonnybarnes if($url != 'twitter.com' || $url != 'pbs.twimg.com')
{ ... }# KartikPrabhu sorry about the mention spam... just fixed some webmention sending
# KartikPrabhu it isn't an updating of post, just fixed some webmention sending code that had failed when I wrote the post
# KartikPrabhu it is very useful to see if mentions are working. good job Loqi!
# jonnybarnes thanks tantek
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# KartikPrabhu kylewm: I broke your share (http://kylewm.com/share/2014/03/27/1) by sending a faulty mention. apologies, please delete it :(
# KartikPrabhu also let this be a lesson to not directly post a 1000 word essay in replies... :P
# KartikPrabhu unfortunately yes :(
# KartikPrabhu possibly! :P
# KartikPrabhu tantek: something funnier: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog#responses
# KartikPrabhu weekend project: fix this whole webmention fiasco on PT!
# KartikPrabhu I should send mentions only to the links in the first h-entry. is that a good policy?
# KartikPrabhu tantek: but I shouldn't have sent a mention to kylewm's reply in the first place right?
# KartikPrabhu even though it is in my h-entry
# KartikPrabhu aaronpl: come on! :P
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk ^^
# KartikPrabhu ooo!
# KartikPrabhu but I really shouldn't have sent a mention to my own article from kyle's comment on my article!
# KartikPrabhu or I should have handled that better on the incoming side?
# tantek check this out KartikPrabhu: http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#Update
# KartikPrabhu I see. good points to implement over the weekend
# KartikPrabhu I actually implement the delete possibility myself!
# KartikPrabhu nods
# KartikPrabhu oh well...
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: i think so. yes
# KartikPrabhu yeah. one that has no u-in-reply-to , u-like-of etc...
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# KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: also sending a mention to https://snarfed.org/ returned a 404. Seems like somethign the wordpress plugin does in general. also happened on dariusdunlap's site
# KartikPrabhu this is such a complicated puzzle. this federated comments thing... very interesting
# KartikPrabhu yeah i think the distributed part is what makes it harder
# KartikPrabhu but that is why it is cool
# KevinMarks venturebeat is hiring in SF for PHP+js in wordpress - anyone interested?
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# kbsriram.com edited /pgp (+1204) "Focus on authentication, better user-centric scenarios" (view diff)
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# kbs aaronpk et. al - have at it :) http://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Secure_communication hopefully less-worse than the last iteration
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# KartikPrabhu bret: would be great to document those frustrations, niceties as people build indie readers
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# aaronpk would be interesting to re-explore my thoughts on twitter stream filtering but in the contenxt of indie readers https://aaronparecki.com/articles/2010/09/21/1/bayesian-twitter-client