#indiewebcamp 2014-03-29

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KartikPrabhu "i am feeling lucky" ?
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bret no google reader had a sort by option called "magic"
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bret maybe it is related
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tantek hey aaronpk - trying your /talk with benwerd here @MozSF
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tantek KartikPrabhu: s/i am feeling lucky/get lucky
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KevinMarks I've always wanted a "what people I follow are linking minus what everyone is linking" view
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@JosephRooks All the money @Readmill never asked for — Let’s give it to @MarvinReader instead. #indieweb https://twitter.com/JosephRooks/status/449698023606853633/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/449698023606853633)
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aaronpk tantek: iirc the mozilla network blocks webrtc connections
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tantek aaronpk - I'm on the internal Mozilla SSID
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aaronpk might still be the case. our internal is actually more locked down than our guest.
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tantek that BETTER work or else I'm going to file a serious IT request
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aaronpk webrtc needs access to random high numbered ports, which is the kind of thing IT departments don't like
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bret mozilla guist wifi blocks IRC
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bret irrrc
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bret guest*
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KartikPrabhu is everything #indieweb now!?
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bret i have to ssh into an irssi session
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 hours, 25 minutes ago: trying webmention discovery on "https://www.brid.gy/about" gives an SSLError.
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 hour, 9 minutes ago: also sending a mention to https://snarfed.org/ returned a 404. Seems like somethign the wordpress plugin does in general. also happened on dariusdunlap's site
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sparverius bret: as you should because irc was designed for continuous connections
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sparverius oh the 80s, where "it's text, good enough for me" was a valid deisgn point
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KevinMarks irc was very good at slow discontinuous connections for me
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: thanks for letting me know. re SSL on brid.gy, its cert depends on SNI. does whatever you're using to fetch support that? details: https://www.brid.gy/about#ssl
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KartikPrabhu just using the usual Python requests lib. unsure of specifics
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snarfed re mentions to the snarfed.org homepage, you're right, afaik the wp plugin doesn't support homepage mentions
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KartikPrabhu cool good to know! will check on the requests lib thingy
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bret.io edited /reader (+508) "/* Challenges */ Added Subscription Maintenance ideas" (view diff)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: fwiw though, brid.gy/about doesn't advertise a WM endpoint
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KartikPrabhu wait really?
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KartikPrabhu then that shouldn't have happened in the first place... will dig more
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snarfed no, if you linked to it, then fetching it to perform WM discovery is reasonable
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snarfed so just figure out the SNI support and you should be ok
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KartikPrabhu oh yes i see true
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aaronpk this is what I see https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7307/13477037894_f4d18c09d9_b.jpg
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aaronpk needs some work :)
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bret.io edited /reader (+567) "Added a section about Google reader replacements" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /reader (-1) "/* Post Google Reader Readers */ Fixed capitalization" (view diff)
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bret lol
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KartikPrabhu bret: nice additions, I can add to a Feedly article if there is some blueprint for these
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bret Nope! I'm just going to focus on what I find interesting about each service I have tried
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KartikPrabhu alright... will add things with UX screenshots and such sometime in the future
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bret.io edited /reader (+21) "/* Post Google Reader Readers */ Added reeder" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu I have quite a few things I like/hate about feedly
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bret i dont trust feedly because its free
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KartikPrabhu lol :P
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KartikPrabhu so was Google Reader
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bret I know!
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bret XD
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KartikPrabhu there is also a Feedly Pro if you'd like to pay
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bret oh cool! didnt see that
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KartikPrabhu advertised as better search etc... features
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kylewm don't trust it to what? stick around?
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KartikPrabhu there seems to be quite a lot of read/write free apps that hae shutdown recently
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KartikPrabhu e.g. Editorially, Readmill ...
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bret kylewm: it has too much of a startup/vc/aquisition waiting to happen smell
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kylewm yes, it does, good point
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bret.io uploaded /File:13361683735_62ca09ea53_z.jpg "Reeder Screenshot"
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bret.io uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:13477211634 d80c7bfb27 b.jpg]]""
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bret.io created /Reeder (+572) "Stubbed out a Reeder page" (view diff)
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tommorris http://tommorris.org/posts/8872 - kind of recorded some history tonight
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KartikPrabhu where is this tommorris?
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tommorris London
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KartikPrabhu nice! good good
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tommorris First same sex wedding in England.
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KartikPrabhu yeah figured that part... :)
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KartikPrabhu would that be England or all of UK?
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tommorris England and Wales. Scotland starts later this year.
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tommorris And Northern Ireland when they stop being run by fundamentalist bigoted nutjobs.
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KartikPrabhu very good very good... progress
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: on a diff. topic, would you have any insight into this issue: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/29
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tommorris Too drunk
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tommorris on iPhone.
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kylewm tommorris: that's awesome, congrats to England!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: speaking of mf2py, I have made the mistake several times of calling Parser(text) rather than Parser(doc=text), do you think we could make doc/url required named parameters rather than part of **kwargs?
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tommorris thanks kylewm
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kbs apropos of nothing on this nice friday evening :) idly wondering why vcards point to keys, rather than keys wrapping vcards -- the latter permits signatures on the contact info, which seems handy.
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bret In sf for a smidge :)
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bret Wish I could stay longer
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@localherodotbiz @JosephRooks @Readmill @marvinreader why is marvin #indieweb ? Is it open source (twitter.com/_/status/449760078317355008)
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KevinMarks did you see the job I mentioned earlier, bret?
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@Everything_GIS RT @caseorganic: The Indieweb Revolution and other reasons why you should learn to code. #indieweb http://electricabacus.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/the-indieweb-revolution-and-other-reasons-you-should-learn-to-code/ (http://t.co/wyrZ… (twitter.com/_/status/449762849657982976)
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bret KevinMarks: no
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bret checking scrollback
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bret Oh for Venture beat, ill check it out
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bret I dont know php or wordpress, would need to fake it :/
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: The trouble is that Parser(string) could be either a url or doc how do we decide. I think the earlier versions of mf2py did some strange guess work on this. But open to better ideas for handling this.
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@dougmckown Social media should be a protocol, not a service. #indieweb #privacy http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/turkey-facebook-youtube-twitter-blocked (twitter.com/_/status/449780067896664064)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: it's not perfect, but would it be less ambiguous if the signature were def __init__(self, doc=None, url=None, **kwargs)?
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KartikPrabhu but then we are saying that not giving either doc or url is ok, which seems bad
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kylewm fair point
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KartikPrabhu i thought about this before remving the args parsign logic, but I don't knowa good solution. I have made the Parser(text) thing a bunch of times too
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KartikPrabhu is raising a value error if neither doc nor url kwargs are found good?
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kylewm hmm, does it make sense to ever provide a doc without a url?
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kylewm i guess you might be parsing local data, like Falcon's datastore...
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KartikPrabhu yes. also the base element can then give th url
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kylewm oh, would the exception be raised if you called Parser(text)
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kylewm I like that idea if so
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KartikPrabhu yeah if you provide no kwargs with names doc or url then you could raise an exception and give out an error message
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KartikPrabhu we can combine that with your signature suggestion. so if both doc and url are None then we raise the error
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KartikPrabhu anyone here know the ins and outs of CSS units?
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KartikPrabhu CSS units question: If I declare font-size = 3cm all browsers on all screens should render the font at 3cm correct? but they don't why?
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cweiske because they often don't know their DPI
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: then is there a common heuristic that browsers use?
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cweiske no idea
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KartikPrabhu hmm annoying... seems counter to the spec but oh well
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@superfeedr @BarnabyWalters Pinging from http://blog.superfeedr.com/indieweb-microformats-fragments-subscriptions/ to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4T3FSd/ I get "Source URI does not contain a link to the target URI" (twitter.com/_/status/449825885450170368)
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@equivalentideas RT @caseorganic: "This presentation cannot be opened b/c it is too old." Another reason to host HTML presos on your site. #indieweb http://… (twitter.com/_/status/449867597530402816)
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ben_thatmustbeme So it seems like don't allow old style commenting directly on your site, bridgy and webmention only. Any thoughts on if this is annoying for readers? I really like the idea for not having to deal with spammers.
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ben_thatmustbeme and yes i read the wiki entries on /comment, /comment-policies, /webmention
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ben_thatmustbeme but how prevelent is comment spam via webmention protocol?
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bnvk ben_thatmustbeme: that is being worked on my barnabywalters at the moment
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bnvk I believe he's been posting results on http://indiewebcamp.com/spam
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ben_thatmustbeme also, good morning
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /comment (+14) "/* Beware */" (view diff)
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@recifs IndieWebCamp http://seenthis.net/index.php?action=seenli&me=56ra (twitter.com/_/status/449894930169991168)
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snarfed hey cweiske! saw that you tried bridgy. let me know if i can answer any questions!
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kbsriram.com edited /pgp (+201) "Better wiki links, reword the user scenario and reasons for additional checks" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://ripvansabre.dyndns.org/Scattershooting/?p=23079 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: search google for "turning off comments" and you'll find a lot of people who just disabled their comment form
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aaronpk Regardless of whether they even know about web mention
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats what i've been seeing
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cweiske snarfed, it seems that bridgy is of no use if I don't syndicate my posts to twitter
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cweiske I don't plan to do that
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cweiske I thought I could get tweets that link to my posts
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snarfed cweiske: lol. true! bridgy is only useful for connecting indieweb sites to silos and vice versa
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cweiske other people tweet my posts since I'm on planet-php.net
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cweiske I don't post myself
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snarfed cweiske: got it
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snarfed funny. the old, pre-webmention version of bridgy actually did that
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cweiske :)
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cweiske so i'm too late
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aaronpk if you run your own twitter search using the streaming api you can use the bridgy urls for the microformats markup
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@voxpelli @superfeedr Now that it seems to work, can I add it to https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger @BarnabyWalters (twitter.com/_/status/449957601548460032)
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kylewm.com edited /Red_Wind (+344) "info about switch to flat files" (view diff)
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aaronpk I have lots of friends who still read twitter all the time, and it seems like anyone still reading the whole home timeline is following ~200 people or less
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aaronpk i'm following 800 people and my timeline is pretty much useless to me
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aaronpk so I'm wondering if I added under 200 people to an indie reader (peoples' own sites, and also some twitter accounts) if I would actually find it useful again
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kylewm I follow 127 and it's a full-time job to read it all...
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demis out of curiousity, what readers are you guys using for indie sites, and do any of them stand out as being more 'indie friendly'?
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aaronpk i seem to have broken something in my selfoss install :(
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aaronpk also I have little motivation to use a reader until I can actually interact with the content (reply, favorite, repost, etc)
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aaronpk I think that's the main reason interfaces like twitter and facebook have taken over readers
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demis I haven't used a reader since Google took thier's offline, and even then wasn't really using it - probably for much the same reasons you mention above.
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demis that's one thing that would be great added to Idno - a simple private reader page that collects the latest posts from sites I follow and can be ordered/grouped by time/site. Yes I should see what I can do about that :)
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kylewm aaronpk: have you needed to implement write-locking for your file storage scheme?
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aaronpk not yet
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aaronpk there are few things that actually write to the same file
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aaronpk actually the only thing that does is the webmention handler, but I run that as a job queue so there's only ever one thing writing to my webmention log file at a time
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kylewm so that may be a weakness in my design :) i'm storing comments inside their parent post
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aaronpk I was doing that, and ended up moving them to a separate location
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/13
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aaronpk it was causing more problems on the git side, not actual filesystem concurrency
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kylewm ah interesting, git problems in that you might change the post locally and it receives comments remotely
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk lots of detail in that issue thread
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kylewm now i need to learn about indie archive
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ben_thatmustbeme Everyone seems to use a single URL for the webmention handler, but is there any reason not to have a different one per post?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: what would your reason be for using a separate URL?
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aaronpk i mean you certainly can, the spec supports it and all the clients will work just fine if you do
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ben_thatmustbeme it would make input parsing actually easier on the back end for me, I already am associated to the exact post
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aaronpk ah instead of finding your post via the target URL?
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ben_thatmustbeme i could technically ignore the target=
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ben_thatmustbeme so instead of post/2014/.... i could just do webmention/2014/....
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aaronpk hm interesting... might want to still look at the target URL to verify it's something sane
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aaronpk you'd need a special case for webmentions of your home page
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aaronpk also do you not care about webmentions of other pages that are not posts? like list pages and such?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i'm thinking it as a way to cut down on spam too, if they don't agree i just disregard as out of spec
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kylewm is the content of IndieArchive something that actually is published somewhere?
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aaronpk kylewm: right now it's just a concept, and implemented within individual platforms
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aaronpk in theory we could have a shared repository of the content, but that hasn't been needed by anyone yet
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ben_thatmustbeme well there shouldn't be a response to a page that isn't a permalink
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kylewm ha, that's such an interesting use case for DVCS...would've never thought of it
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ben_thatmustbeme and any permalink page would have its own webmention URL
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: it depends on whether you care about showing generic links to your pages, not just responses
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aaronpk s/links to/mentions of
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: ben_thatmustbeme: it depends on whether you care about showing generic mentions of your pages, not just responses
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aaronpk oh and s/showing/knowing about
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aaronpk (whether you display those mentions is a different story)
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, true. I suppose the other pages could have a generic handler too. I'm actually thinking more toward a webmention callback for phonebook stuff that I want to work toward
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aaronpk oh?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, I am not sure on the exact protocol for it, but basically use webmention callback for the author page to say thay I added you to my phone book. You could see who has you added and add them to yours as well (but more importantly figuring out some extension to add more secure info to the author page if you are added back)
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aaronpk oh interesting. sounds kind of like how twitter shows you when people follow you
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ben_thatmustbeme there are a number of security issues i'd have to look in to, but really, phone number, address, things like that aren't high security, just moderate
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ben_thatmustbeme the idea being to have people keep track of their own contact info, and other's can just pull that info in
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ben_thatmustbeme but you could always organize people in to groups for access, maybe close friends get my mailing address, but acquaintances just my e-mail and city
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ben_thatmustbeme etc
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Loqi [mention] http://www.mrmorgan.me/2014/03/27/my-current-biggest-annoyance/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitations (webmention)
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ben_thatmustbeme thats why i was interested in kbs's discussion of sharing pgp keys on your home page, gives a way to have secure communication back and forth
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aaronpk and you'd want my site to be able to notify yours if my contact info changes
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally
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ben_thatmustbeme prevents having to re-pull data every once in a while
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aaronpk sounds kind of like a PuSH subscription
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, i suppose that could be a way about it
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ben_thatmustbeme i was thinking if it generates a custom URL (with a key) that grants access its a unified interface, webmention just becomes a negotiation of keys
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ben_thatmustbeme but I could generate a key for a friend who does not use Indie web
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ben_thatmustbeme and then they can either visit the custom URL, or use an app that pulls it in and parses h-card
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aaronpk this is intriguing, but I need to get back to refactoring p3k...
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aaronpk heh
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, have fun
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demis hey aaronpk and ben_thatmustbeme, reading your text above brought Bitmessage to mind. Any way to piggy back off the generated identities in that for the contact info?
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aaronpk i dunno, sounds complicated
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aaronpk my eyes glaze over pretty quick reading https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Protocol_specification
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demis lol
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demis perhaps the way Bitmessage keys are generated and distributed could provide a framework to help your contact list challenge
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ben_thatmustbeme updated my current thinking on it, without they security issues in there yet
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ben_thatmustbeme http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Ben.thatmustbe.me#Contacts_List
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aaronpk I should just do this on my own /contact page right now... anybody can sign in to my site using indieauth right now, so it'd be easy to add private data there if you're signed in
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Loqi fo sho
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aaronpk i already support private messages if yuo're signed in
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ben_thatmustbeme seems like a good way about it
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kbs pretty interesting idea ben_thatmustbeme
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aaronpk I think it would cut out a few steps you've listed
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme my concern is just the non-indie web users
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aaronpk what do you mean?
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ben_thatmustbeme but you are probably right, it would make things much easier for connections
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aaronpk you want to be able to give private contact info to people who don't have their own site?
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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aaronpk no really, what is your concern?
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aaronpk oh I see... "Friends without webmention systems can just ask for a URL that I can e-mail them."
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: are you familiar at all with OAuth 2?
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snarfed aaronpk: love that you're using ownyougram now
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snarfed it looks great on your site!
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aaronpk thanks!
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aaronpk i'm super excited about it
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snarfed i haven't yet carved out the time to implement the req'ts on my site (notably oauth/token server and micropub), but i want to eventually
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aaronpk cool. I'm wondering if there is anything I can build to help people out with that
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aaronpk like would you be interested in using a token endpoint service, so all you have to build is the micropub endpoint?
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snarfed honestly i haven't thought about it enough to say
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snarfed the answer to any wordpress question is usually, "there's a plugin for that," so i should look there first
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snarfed i eventually will when it bubbles up on my todo list, and i'll let you know
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aaronpk ah right wordpress. i doubt there's a plugin yet :)
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snarfed …in the meantime, looks like the commenting part of ownyourgram isn't there yet. have they still not gotten back to you?! sheesh
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aaronpk no reply from the official channel. I now have someone on the inside trying to push it to the right person.
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snarfed thanks
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snarfed if you hear (or can ask for) any meta details, e.g. criteria or red flags, i'd love to hear
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snarfed on a similar note, i should ask on SO why their like API never works
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aaronpk will definitely do so!
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aaronpk you've had problems with the instagram API?
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snarfed the like api specifically. i've never managed to send a like through it once
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aaronpk oh, weird
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snarfed http://instagram.com/developer/endpoints/likes/#post_likes
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snarfed meh
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snarfed i'm guessing it requires the comment whitelisting and they just didn't mention that in the docs
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aaronpk what error do you get?
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aaronpk hm actually it works for me
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aaronpk did you request the "likes" scope during auth?
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aaronpk whoa, when I tried posting a comment just now I got a response pointing me to this URL: http://bit.ly/instacomments
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aaronpk that's new, it didn't do that before. just failed with a cryptic error
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aaronpk this is the full error now https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/9863262
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aaronpk also, come on guys. bit.ly and google docs? you guys have all of facebook at your disposal, you'd think they'd allocate a few resources to make a better developer console for requesting comments access
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk : this is instaface?
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aaronpk yeah, instagram returns a bit.ly url in the API response which points to a google doc where you can request comment whitelisting
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KartikPrabhu wow! so many failure points!!
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aaronpk alright, who here is good at naming things?
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KartikPrabhu raises hand...
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aaronpk I realized that I want to do what I did with instagram, but with a bunch of other silos: strava, last.fm, etc
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aaronpk basically PESOS as a service
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KartikPrabhu like ownyourgram
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aaronpk ownyourgram.com is PESOS as a service but only for instagram
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KartikPrabhu own.fm
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KartikPrabhu my.fm
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aaronpk rather than making up individual sites for each, I shouldj ust make one service for all of them
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KartikPrabhu aah
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aaronpk like bridgy
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KartikPrabhu bridgy is an awesome name btw
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aaronpk totally
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KartikPrabhu so this would be sort of opposite-bridgy which PESOS instead of POSSE
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KartikPrabhu Hmm I had a name for a package I was to write that seems apt "Pullback" ?
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snarfed aaronpk: back. interesting that it works for you. i should try again. (yeah, i requested the likes scope)
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snarfed and i got the bitly link too, a while back before iwc sf, when i tried commenting w/o whitelisting
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snarfed hey, incidentally, when you request IG scope, do you separate scopes with + or , ?
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aaronpk oh? strange! it just returned a cryptic error for me when I tried last (after iwc sf)
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aaronpk with a space (+). When I tried with , it said invalid scope
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snarfed most oauth sites use comma but IG says they use plus: http://instagram.com/developer/authentication/#scope
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snarfed good, ok then
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snarfed i'll try liking again
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aaronpk it was one way in the official oauth spec and it changed before it was finalized
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snarfed ah interesting
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snarfed hmm. if i get IG likes working, i'd still be reluctant to open bridgy publish signups for IG if all you can do is like
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snarfed cross that bridge when i get to it
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aaronpk ...no pun intended
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snarfed heh
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snarfed re names, a while back i picked a name for (eventually) rebranding activitystreams-unofficial, and i brainstormed a few agriculture related names, due to "silo"
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snarfed …none were very good though
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk i could just pick a cute animal name, that usually works
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snarfed another theme i thought about was "naked," as in posts on your own site are naked, just you, no silo wrapper
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snarfed …probably not worth thinking about too deeply though :P
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aaronpk nakify.me
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snarfed heh
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snarfed nud.ie
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aaronpk heh
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snarfed off to domai.nr !
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KartikPrabhu hmm my head is not going beyond "pullback" :(
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@skry Idno, an indieweb group publishing platform from @benwerd and @erinjo, is in the Knight News Challenge. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/idno-a-collective-storytelling-platform-that-supports-the-diversity-of-the-web (twitter.com/_/status/450028791864098816)
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@erinjo RT @skry: Idno, an indieweb group publishing platform from @benwerd and @erinjo, is in the Knight News Challenge. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/idno-a-collective-storytelling-platform-that-supports-the-diversity-of-the-web (twitter.com/_/status/450029288868159488)
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aaronpk yeah i'm drawing a blank
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KartikPrabhu also "repossess" but it has bad financial connotations
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aaronpk ha
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KartikPrabhu i think "pesos" might be good on its own
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KartikPrabhu peso = weight or burden in Spanish
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kbs is it just me, or has something changed with indieauth.com [eg: insisting that redirect uris be https only?] - seems like login from indiewebcamp.com is no longer working
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aaronpk kbs: nothing should have changed
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kbs hm, interesting. Here's the link that's raising an error for me - https://indieauth.com/auth/start?me=http%3A%2F%2Fkbsriram.com&profile=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkbsriram&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2FSpecial%3AIndieAuth%3Freturnto%3D
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aaronpk kbs: can you click that for me again? i'll watch the logs
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kbs well, what do you know. Now it went through
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aaronpk huh
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kbs wonder what I did different - hm.
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kbs got the error again - is there anything you want me to pull out while I have the error page on my browser?
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aaronpk is your site on github pages?
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kbs yes
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aaronpk gah
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aaronpk they seem to *sometimes* return a redirect header when visiting your root domain (with no trailing slash)
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kbs oh, how weird.
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kbs :-) that is weird
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aaronpk i need to make indieauth understand relative redirects, then this problem shoudl go away
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kbs what the heck is it supposed to do - GET / --> Location: /
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aaronpk this is pretty weird, right? https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/9864040
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aaronpk if you then make another request exactly the same, it'll return the HTML page
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kbs yep. That's exactly what I get too on my root domain too, every once in a while
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kbs GET / -> Location: / doesn't make a whole lot of sense
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aaronpk i feel like this is a thing github pages should not do, but I should also probaly handle that case better anyway
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kbs yes, it's clearly a bug on their end - thanks for pointing it out - wonder if this will cause issues for other clients. I thought browsers would immediately flag this as a loop, surprised it hasn't shown up
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aaronpk it doesn't turn into a loop because by the time you make the second request they return HTML
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kbs hm, they don't flag the very first redirect as a loop? interesting
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kbs didn't realize that
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kbs I wonder linking to http://kbsriram.com is actually better than linking to http://kbsriram.com/ :-) - maybe the browsers are not considering those urls to be equivalent, even though they are making the exact same request
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snarfed hey KevinMarks, i'm (finally) looking at that twitter retweet api thing you mentioned a while back: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/104
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snarfed any chance you remember a specific tweet or response where bridgy clearly used the old wrong way?
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snarfed low priority
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jjuran Location must be a URL, not a mere path
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aaronpk jjuran: I thought so too, but apparently the HTTP spec says it's ok for the Location header to be just a path
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jjuran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_location
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jjuran "The soon-to-be obsolete IETF standard requires an absolute URI to follow a Location header, which means it must contain a scheme"
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/31274/what-are-the-consequences-for-using-relative-location-headers#31337
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jjuran But it should still be invalid if the client has specified HTTP/1.0
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aaronpk pretty sure I've only actually seen http 1.1 at this point
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aaronpk also github pages returns http 1.1
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jjuran The only HTTP 1.0 client I'm personally aware of is me, using telnet. :-)
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aaronpk ha
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kbs clearly, github is also 0.9 non-compliant ;-) http://pastebin.com/m66xEPdw
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aaronpk heading to apex brewery at 12th & division in portland if anyone wants to join me
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kbs hm, how does one identify "the" vcard on an indiewebpage, if it has multiple ones?
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snarfed kbs: look up the representative h-card algorithm
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kbs snarfed: aha, thanks - reading http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing
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kbs nice. So the indieweb pages have to be careful enough to remove or reposition rel=me tags that are auto-included on their pages, I guess?
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snarfed kbs: which indieweb pages are those?
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KevinMarks snarfed: it shows up when a retweet includes a webmentioned page
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KevinMarks so if I tweet a link to an indieebcamp page, and you reweet it
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snarfed KevinMarks: hmm ok. i'm trying to figure out if or what i'm doing wrong. i don't actually use the content of retweets at all, whether from the outer object or retweeted_status
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snarfed ok, i'll look
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KevinMarks it will construct a tweet saying RT @kevinmarks: [my tweet truncated]
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kbs was actually generally thinking about how people might find ways to sneak in a rel=me link to claim ownership of a desirable domain.
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KevinMarks people can claim ownership one way, but the domain needs to link back
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snarfed KevinMarks: yes. i understand the general issue
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snarfed i'm trying to figure out if/how bridgy specifically is handling it wrong
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kbs KevinMarks: right - rel=me to point to [say] a fake twitter account which could then be used to point back to the desirable domain - and then (say) an indieauth login as the desirable domain?
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KevinMarks so you shouldn't allow people to post rel=me links on your page, yes.
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KevinMarks snarfed: I remember seeing an example, but can't remember where
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snarfed KevinMarks: ok. do you remember if the author or content was wrong?
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snarfed i don't use content at all, and i believe i'm using the right author (the retweeter)
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snarfed anyway. if you remember the example, definitely let me know. thanks!
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KevinMarks OK
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