#indiewebcamp 2014-04-04

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aaronpk snarfed: still no word back from instagram btw
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aaronpk I was thinking... *my* site knows the canonical URL for all my syndicated instagram photos
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aaronpk so if bridgy had a way to query my site to find the canonical URL, would you be up for that?
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caseorganic aaronpk: no word from instagram? did you get connected to kevin from josh?
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caseorganic aaronpk: if not i can send a note - tomorrow i guess?
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aaronpk haven't heard anything from that thread
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caseorganic aaronpk: ok
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snarfed aaronpk: hmm! maybe!
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snarfed especially in the form of a pull request :P
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk not sure how much of a special case I want to make for instagram in general, so would this be potentially useful for anything else?
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snarfed you're thinking we'd come up with a new mini-protocol for asking for the canonical url for a syndicated silo url?
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aaronpk basically given a post on a silo, and given you know the domain of the person that posted it, an API to discover the original post
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caseorganic aaronpk: ok, i sent him a note
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aaronpk caseorganic: yay thx
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Loqi :D
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caseorganic aaronpk: the issue is that any api request for instagram looks like it might be a custom request
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snarfed right. it'd allow you to omit the link or PSC in POSSEd content
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caseorganic aaronpk: and even my contact there noted that it seemed "more complex than necessary" to get a request through
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snarfed i'll think more about it
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aaronpk caseorganic: I did notice they have a new form/process for the requests now!
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aaronpk using a google doc, lol
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snarfed heading out, ttyl all
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah, that would be the general idea. for the cases in which you don't want to include the PSC due to the way it looks, or when you can't like instagram
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aaronpk haven't fully thought through whether this is a good idea, but wanted to throw it out there
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caseorganic aaronpk: oh, that's good! i think that was made specifically due to our request
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aaronpk haha that is likely
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aaronpk someone was probably like *who* put in our api docs that people should email us this stuff.... then went and made a form for it
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caseorganic aprecisely
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caseorganic aaronpk: that happens all the time at fb
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KartikPrabhu slow day huh!
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GWG Slow?
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KartikPrabhu so here's a question: I usually upload my presentation to my website. Any good markup recommendations for that
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KartikPrabhu particularly I can't find how to markup both a datetime and a duration
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KartikPrabhu well mf2 has dt-start, dt-end and dt-duration! well I
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KartikPrabhu so there you go
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed, a slow day
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GWG Hmm...
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ben_thatmustbeme Hmm?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, by the way, Hi GWG, never met you
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GWG I'm new
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GWG I find this place much busier than many of the IRC rooms I'm in
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ben_thatmustbeme me too
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GWG Well, you must be Ben.
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ben_thatmustbeme must be
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ben_thatmustbeme I was reading back in the logs and saw you saying how you're embarassed by your own site until it is finished... I can totally relate
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm pretty sure that was you
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GWG Yes
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GWG Well, finished is relative
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ben_thatmustbeme well yeah
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GWG I let the site linger for a long while.
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GWG I've resurrected it recently.
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ben_thatmustbeme i have, very little, but i decided to basically start from scratch
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ben_thatmustbeme so i'm building everything ground up, which will be intersting
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GWG I'm a long standing Wordpress person
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ben_thatmustbeme well, most of it anyway
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GWG So I used that
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GWG I've siloed things, but they are silos of my own making, not other people's.
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ben_thatmustbeme i set that up just to get the page up, but then had a long internal debate of hacking on WP vs building in an MVC I know well
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ben_thatmustbeme hey, you control them, so thats fine
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GWG Yes. So, right now, I'm working on building the canonical me.
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GWG Then I need to figure out how to unify the other mes.
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GWG It's a mess.
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GWG So, right now I'm importing Tweets from 2012 and 2011 in.
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GWG All new thoughts are going out...working on tweaking that.
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ben_thatmustbeme my older tweets are on an old account i sold
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GWG Got in early?
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ben_thatmustbeme made $1500 on it, but i think I backed them all up before i dumped it
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ben_thatmustbeme i used to have @dissolve
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ben_thatmustbeme some Canadian stock video site purchased it from me
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ben_thatmustbeme honestly though, most of my older stuff is rather, umm, not really stuff I want to put out there professionally. Now that I'm really unifying as an adult
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ben_thatmustbeme i have blog posts going back to high school. back in the oh what was that site called, opendiary or something
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GWG Well, I'm doing only a selected set right now.
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GWG Livejournal?
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ben_thatmustbeme nah, before them
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GWG That was popular a while back
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GWG Oh
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ben_thatmustbeme i had LJ
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GWG I've been everywhere
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ben_thatmustbeme and blogger before it was purchased by Google
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ben_thatmustbeme i think it was like, teenopendiary or something
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ben_thatmustbeme something rediculous like that
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GWG I'm just annoyed that Google values those other sites more than my personal one
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GWG Why is it I'm not the authority on me?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, perfect mindset to get in to indie web
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ben_thatmustbeme i'd love to organize all those old journals
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ben_thatmustbeme just like all my aim chat logs from different programs going back like 15 years
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GWG I really would like to push that horrible fanfic I wrote in high school down lower too
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ben_thatmustbeme but its just not really essential right now
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have those too. I'll never get to it
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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GWG What do you want to get out of this movement, out of curiousity?
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GWG Most of the talk here is technical that I see.
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ben_thatmustbeme Eh, I really needed to get my site going again. Really resonated with me when I saw one of the talks saying that if you ask a group of devs if they started with a personal site and it spawned into a career most will raise their hands. But then ask how many still have a site, and almost none do.
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ben_thatmustbeme I like the idea of leading the pack in helping to flesh out standards and make them reasonable
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ben_thatmustbeme its also a pretty closed off group where I can bounce ideas off people and help others with interesting ideas
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GWG I'm still finding what I want to do to be a part of this.
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GWG I like to participate if I can
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GWG Even if it just talking
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm sure you can
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ben_thatmustbeme ideas are helpful just as code is
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ben_thatmustbeme very few talk in here compared to the number of people in the chat though
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GWG Like most chats I am in on Freenode
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GWG Speaking of which, I may withdraw. It's been a long day.
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tantek tries to catch up with logs
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ben_thatmustbeme that should be easy today
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tantek there was a lot in the past few hours!
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tantek it's been a bit of a crazy day. :/
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GWG My next problems are...the 140 character auto-post problem, and how to handle Likes on Facebook, as my friends are too lazy to say anything.
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tantek Bridgy can backfeed likes from Facebook
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GWG Yes. But I'm syncing Facebook comments already to Wordpress comments.
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GWG I'm not sure how Wordpress could do likes.
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ben_thatmustbeme ick, I get up in 6 hours, I guess i should head to bed
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ben_thatmustbeme goodnight
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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ben_thatmustbeme bugs --
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ben_thatmustbeme bugs--
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Loqi bugs has -1 karma
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tantek GWG - a few folks have figured it out
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tantek with WP plugins
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GWG I might have a look
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GWG In the meantime, I need sleep
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GWG Heading to bed. Good night
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ben_thatmustbeme i figured there must be a plugin for it
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tantek good night!
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ben_thatmustbeme good night
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tantek.com edited /https (+2001) "put how-to first, add why, proposed indiemark security levels based on HTTPS support, from /2014/SF/https session" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /https (+130) "/* Level 1 security */ provide explanation of avoiding the bad thing" (view diff)
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@anto_giordano Warren Ellis sull'IndieWeb http://buff.ly/1pZiUDk (twitter.com/_/status/451984125877321728)
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Loqi [mention] http://arunranga.com/blog/2014/04/faqtechism/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com (pingback)
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bnvk !tell tantek I know you don't like RSS anymore... but for us old fogeys, you should limit the string length of your <title> for each item is currently the whole note
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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KartikPrabhu morning
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caseorganic morning from tokyo - it's 10pm here
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@glenux Suivez @xtof_fr et @LilConseil pour un #followfriday #ff riche en #data #privacy #quantifiedSelf et #indieWeb ! (twitter.com/_/status/452086270811193344)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh cool, konbanwa
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@ubax The IndieWeb, Revolution, and Other Reasons You Should Learn to Code https://electricabacus.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/the-indieweb-revolution-and-other-reasons-you-should-learn-to-code/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/452106370935185408)
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kylewm snarfed: good morning! little heads up that activitystreams-unofficial in github points to a missing changeset for oauth_dropins (f2e45f8)
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silencematters Hello — I am here to talk about organizing the NYC Indie Web Camp. Anyone care to join?
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snarfed kylewm: oops! sorry. fixing now
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Loqi tantek: bnvk left you a message 4 hours, 56 minutes ago: I know you don't like RSS anymore... but for us old fogeys, you should limit the string length of your <title> for each item is currently the whole note
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tantek !tell bnvk sounds like a bug in your reader, poor handling of long entry titles. In a modern reader, it would just show up as a "note", without a title. ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk how would a "modern" reader know it's just a note if the atom entry has a long title?
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tantek aaronpk - that's an FAQ on the note page
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aaronpk ...
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aaronpk oops
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tantek title text == entry text
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tantek :P
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tantek kinda trivial to check
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tantek and that's just using h-entry
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tantek rather, "name" == "content"
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aaronpk in h-entry, content usually has HTML tags, whereas name is plaintext
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tantek for old XML feed fogeys, they can use the Atom ActivityStreams extensions, and switch on object-type (which is in my Atom feed)
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tantek aaronpk - hence content text
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aaronpk the striptags version?
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aaronpk or the plaintext version that comes out of the mf2 parser I guess
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tantek exactly
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tantek all the data is there
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@LilConseil RT @glenux: Suivez @xtof_fr et @LilConseil pour un #followfriday #ff riche en #data #privacy #quantifiedSelf et #indieWeb ! (twitter.com/_/status/452117983859863553)
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barnabywalters unfortunately it’s not always that simple, usually due to bad markup
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barnabywalters but yes, it’s generally possible to determine when you should show name separately, given a post with both name and content
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tantek on the phone with Jeremy Zilar of NYT re: IndieWebCampNYC
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tantek any other NYC folks here who can help out?
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aaronpk tantek: silencematters just chimed in
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barnabywalters silencematters mentioned it earlier
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barnabywalters aaronpk: JINX
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tantek hey silencematters - welcome to the IRC channel! :)
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@aaronpk Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/04/04/1/indieweb-daynotfound) (twitter.com/_/status/452121246939881473)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/04/04/1/indieweb-daynotfound linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+864) "save a few organizer notes" (view diff)
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@benwerd RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452121450493661184)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/logo
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+94) "/* Organizers */ Illustrator file for the logo" (view diff)
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aaronpk I really don't understand the twitter spam bots that immediately reply with a weird hashtag and a bizarre link that ends up 301 redirecting to pinterest.com
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tantek silencematters: see http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/
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@erik_paulson RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452122469856333824)
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dariusdunlap ok… all caught up on the IRC logs for the last few days. Whew! You folks are prolific!
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dariusdunlap Note that “caught up
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dariusdunlap Er, Note that “Caught Up” still leaves a bunch of open tabs that I have to read, and about a half-dozen (and growing) new items on my todo list. ;-)
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snarfed dariusdunlap: you're a better man than me for reading logs
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snarfed kylewm: re activitystreams-unofficial, working on anything interesting?
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dariusdunlap Snarfed: One of those todo items is forking brid.gy to fiddle with App.net. No promises… I’m just learning. ;-)
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snarfed oh man, hell yeah!
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snarfed totally ready to help any way i can
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452121450493661184 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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dariusdunlap Awesome, thanks. The rain is going to keep me inside today (even though the hounds and I all need to get out for a hike), so I hope to get started today.
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/783092 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452121516336246784 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+116) "/* Organizers */ food options" (view diff)
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tantek silencematters: see http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC#Organizers
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@kevinmarks RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452124411693240320)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452122469856333824 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/5117 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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@dariusdunlap RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! List of sites that are now or soon gone: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/04/04/1/indieweb-daynotfound) (twitter.com/_/status/452124826098864128)
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@tomwiththeweath RT @dariusdunlap: RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! List of sites that are now or soon gone: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http… (twitter.com/_/status/452125142320021504)
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snarfed dariusdunlap: excited! setup instructions are in the readme, but there haven't been many other contributors, so holler at me if (when) you hit rough edges
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@AchhuTweet RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452125549515661312)
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snarfed ruh roh
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snarfed did it asplode?
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snarfed oh, nm
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dariusdunlap/452124826098864128/452125142320021504 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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dariusdunlap lol. Thanks. I’ve looked at it a bit already, a few days ago. Now it’s time to dive in.
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/23971327 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/961661 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452125549515661312 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452124411693240320 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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tantek !tell silencematters hey check this out I just left a message for you
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek so I'll say something else
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silencematters hello
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Loqi silencematters: tantek left you a message 41 seconds ago: hey check this out I just left a message for you
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tantek Thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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@studiomondeo RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452129261487288320)
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tantek just had a great call with silencematters with moving forward with IndieWebCampNYC organizing
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tantek updates on the wiki
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tantek we're like 99% sure of venue etc. - so get on the RSVP list! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC#Guest_List
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tantek (if someone wants to help convert that to use the new guest list templates - please do!)
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@indiewebcamp RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452130362043273216)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452129261487288320 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452130362043273216 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-21) "/* IndieWebCamp */ next IndieWebCamp is IndieWebCampNYC" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/12920742 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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kbs well - current hack [simple profile-from-relme-chained-sites] is available from https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18852638/draft/lindy/lindy.html
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kbs be gentle ;)
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kbs (proof-of-concept and all that)
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snarfed kbs: woot! trying now. req'ts? just java?
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Loqi :D
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kbs yea
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kbs java -jar lindy.jar should be it.
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snarfed cool
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snarfed let me know if you want to try to deploy it on app engine, should be doable
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snarfed hmm. does it not support ssl? i get "Could not crawl https://snarfed.org/"
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snarfed ah, yeah. "WARNING: sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target"
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snarfed http sites work. fun!
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kbs yea - it's limited by whateer ssl support is available to the underlying java implementaion
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kbs but it should have all the major cacerts already, hm. *https://snarfed.org works for me
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kbs I hope it's able to go to the twitter sites, because it usually prefers an https link if it finds both
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kbs thanks for the appengine heads up - at the moment I'm still trying to sort out how to extend this into an end-to-end messaging thing
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kbs but regardless by all means if you find something you can use in that rotten horrible code, by all means :)
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kbs (It'd need to be rejiggered to go into a background service rather than inline and all that...)
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snarfed it's already a web server, right?
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kbs oh, I see yea :) didn't realize you could just plop it in there
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snarfed it might need minor tweaks, but not major
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snarfed and it'd definitely fit in the free quota
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kbs so none of the https links are working huh? weird
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snarfed i guess not. maybe missing java ca certs
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snarfed (and obviously there are other java paases too: elastic beanstalk, heroku, cloudbees, etc. any would work.)
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kbs yea
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kbs I should probably include root certs I suppose
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kbs to avoid this situation - though some people might get unhappy about it if I don't make it clear
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Loqi yea
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snarfed that's one nice part of running it as a service: it's more obvious that you make those calls yourself
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kbs indeed.
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kbs tbh, I was sorta going down the path of locally running applications [mobile/desktop] because I can't really see how to scratch my end-to-end messaging itch
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kbs and it so happens that it's easiest to write desktop apps as a local web server
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kbs (for me, I hasten to add :)
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kbs
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kbs but this is a good point to pause and think for a bit - thanks for the encouragement and tips along the way :)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/11500459/10101363296295206/502808462 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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aaronpk something seems weird about that
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aaronpk it makes it look like peat likes the site-deaths page, but really it's a like of my post
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snarfed aaronpk: yup. backfeed semantics in general are subtle
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snarfed they'd be less so if bridgy only strictly backfed for possed posts
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snarfed but i kind of made a product decision to make it more promiscuous
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snarfed feel free to discuss on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/6
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Loqi bnvk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 50 minutes ago: sounds like a bug in your reader, poor handling of long entry titles. In a modern reader, it would just show up as a "note", without a title. ;)
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snarfed heh. when i see "modern reader" there, i can't help but translate it to "vaporware" :P
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snarfed i guess "under active development" would be more generous
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tantek snarfed: Indeed, modern reader is a bit of an oxymoron
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kbs snarfed: if you're interested, I can put up a suitable rootcert fileset with the appropriate incantation to use it [just for this server, it won't get installed anywhere]
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snarfed kbs: thanks! i was actually able to play around with enough http sites
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snarfed but other people might appreciate it
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kbs okay :)
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tantek snarfed: On another topic, check out recent edits to the /https page
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snarfed looking
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snarfed looks great!
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@lisaradon RT @aaronpk: Happy #404 day! Here's a list of sites that are now or soon gone http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb #daynotfound (http://t.co/8C… (twitter.com/_/status/452147401180999680)
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tantek 404 day is not a *happy* day!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/452147401180999680 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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bnvk lookin at that Site Deaths page... Yahoo is where startups go to die
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aaronpk tantek: haha good point
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@finitor Chronology of dead content-hosting sites is sobering reminder that entrusting your labor to a startup's silo is risky http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/452149571620069376)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, bnvk, so true
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aaronpk hey all, today is the deadline for open source bridge submissions!
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aaronpk osbridge is the week before indiewebcamp portland
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aaronpk http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2014/proposals
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tantek We should keep track of the companies that shut down the most sites and hand out a "serial site killer of the year" award.
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aaronpk hahahaha
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Loqi definitely
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KevinMarks Yahoo probably wins given all those geocities sites
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gRegor` I'm surprised Google hasn't axed Orkut yet
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gRegor` Especially with their g+ push
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aaronpk isn't orkut still pretty big in south america or something?
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KevinMarks it's being gradually displaced by favebook
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aaronpk yeah, most of their traffic is from brazil
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KevinMarks it was dominant in Brazil, Estonia and some of the Gulf States, and very popular in India
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aaronpk Brazil 44.5%, India 16%, US 6.8% (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/orkut.com)
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aaronpk last month
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KevinMarks yeah, I'm going by when I was at Google
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KevinMarks it generated more pageviews than search
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aaronpk wow
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KevinMarks probably no longer true, but true in '08
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KevinMarks they do have G+ integration now
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gRegor` Favebook? Or Facebook? :)
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gRegor` Just wondering if there's YASN I missed.
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KevinMarks (as they had buzz integration before)
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KevinMarks nope, typo
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KevinMarks I get a "your Orkut friends on Google+" box top right
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gRegor` Ah, interesting.
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gRegor` Nice typography improvements on Wikipedia today
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gRegor` I'd be interested in doing similar with the wiki upgrade, ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi [@kevinmarks] Orkut being unintentionally ironic
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Loqi was talking about it in #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/452177659426918400/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/js8wXdzSDL)
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ben_thatmustbeme typography changed? i can't even tell
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not a designer, thats for sure
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gRegor` It's subtle.
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arcatan heh. i thought it was linux font rendering breaking again or something.
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gRegor` http://www.fastcodesign.com/3028366/wikipedia-to-redesign-across-more-than-32-million-pages
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aaronpk interesting "We’re privileged, using operating systems like OS X that license fonts for us."
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gRegor` Fonts are larger, also now: Arimo,"Liberation Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif -- instead of just "sans-serif"
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gRegor` Another article said "For more information, visit the Wikipedia blog", without a link, of course... and finding the Wikipedia blog seems to be impossible. Haha.
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gRegor` Ahh, misread. WikiMEDIA blog
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gRegor` http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/03/27/typography-refresh/
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tantek How's everybody else's day going?
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gRegor` Pretty good here. It's flown by.
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aaronpk need more coffee
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gRegor` Loqi, where's the coffee?
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gRegor` coffee++
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Loqi coffee has 12 karma
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gRegor` Haha
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kbs gRegor`: thanks for the knight newschallenge link - didn't know about this site before, and the linked idea was also pretty interesting.
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gRegor` Welcome. I think it was Dan Gillmor that brought the challenge to my attnetion.
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@lawduck @caseorganic "indieweb" as a term seems to be gathering substantial momentum. Clearly I missed the moment that it became a thing. (twitter.com/_/status/452198637381365760)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh shoot me... my mother in law is getting kicked out of her place which means she'll be staying here.
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bret :(
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/452206907319525376
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@waxpancake my first post to medium, am i doing this right???? https://medium.com/p/d0b32422b05 (twitter.com/_/status/452206907319525376)
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tantek Oh dear
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tantek Did Andy just troll medium?!!
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aaronpk so good
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bret thats great
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bret everything looking the same does not count as 'beautiful', the only argument for using medium that I have found
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bret finding a way to subvert that to create something totally different XD cool
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bret here is a crazy site shutdown: http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/04/04/1254242/gamespy-multiplayer-shutting-down-affecting-hundreds-of-games?utm_source=atom1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
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bret sooooo many games used to use GS
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bret also this: https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/451923328706416640
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@pmarca 1/Two quick Brendan Eich stories: (twitter.com/_/status/451923328706416640)
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KevinMarks !tell benwerd I see the NYT cited you http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/bits/2014/04/04/why-mozillas-chief-had-to-resign/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme well then, i guess i can get some work done and just try ignoring the drunk on my couch
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aaronpk "...wrote Ben Werdmüller, a Mozilla developer"
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KevinMarks did he submit a patch? Get on the monument?
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KevinMarks I tried sending him a webmention for the NYT but I don't think it worked
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kbs oh, I'm so out of touch. brendan resigned huh?
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aaronpk ha nice
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pdurbin kbs: is he leaving Mozilla?
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kbs thinks one of lurking mozilluns(?) will probably know
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kbs I'm so non-clued that I just learnt about it
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aaronpk just go look at the front page of hackernews, ther's been stories all day about that