#indiewebcamp 2014-04-11
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gRegor` That Holly Herndon music is great, kylewm. I'm not familiar with her.
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ben_thatmustbeme hey all
# gRegor` Hey ben
# ben_thatmustbeme hahaha, i have webmentions parsing correctly
# ben_thatmustbeme tomorrow all i need to do is fix the views to show them
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KartikPrabhu hi GWG
# KartikPrabhu how is your indiewebification going?
# KartikPrabhu I am doing well...
# KartikPrabhu GWG: yeah that is a particularly tricky... I am in the middle of solving that for my website too
# KartikPrabhu it does mf2 stuff... sends webmentions and sort of naively receives mentions but that is broken for sure
# KartikPrabhu you can see the disaster here: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog#responses :)
# ben_thatmustbeme hey guys
# KartikPrabhu GWG: that is great! get t wroking then tweak...
# KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: hey!
# KartikPrabhu i also post POSSE to Twitter using bridgy
# ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i'm actually pretty close with receiving webmentions fully
# ben_thatmustbeme but have yet to deal with sending
# KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: what do you use?
# ben_thatmustbeme since I don't even have any UI to manage content yet
# ben_thatmustbeme I'm using mf2-php and some other scripts, been writing my own system
# KartikPrabhu GWG: i am using vrypan's webmentiontools for now but writing some custom code that I'll push to bear's ronkyuu package (which is what I use for sending)
# KartikPrabhu GWG: oh yeah sorry... I get webmentions and check the source page has indeed linked to mine, then parse it to get properties like author, time and a snippet and put it in my database.
# KartikPrabhu what I don't do is parse it using mf2
# KartikPrabhu i should be getting mf2 properties... and I also want to put them in files instead of database which is what I am working on now
# ben_thatmustbeme i'm tired
# ben_thatmustbeme i'm out
# ben_thatmustbeme goodnight guys
# KartikPrabhu GWG: exactly! and I should be getting the correct data too using mf2... I am being very naive about how to get the data which is the problem :)
# KartikPrabhu GWG: what is your site link? ... just curious
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# KartikPrabhu GWG: yes. I like the facepile UI for likes/reposts
# KartikPrabhu GWG: What do you not like about the formatting?
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kylewm here are some demo tweets https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/OriginalPostDiscovery/twitter.png
# kylewm and here's what it looks like in bridgy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/OriginalPostDiscovery/bridgy.png
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: My idea was that you send to brigy two things 1. url of original post 2. url of syndicated post and then bridgy can verify that those came from the same person and add them to its table of connected posts
# KartikPrabhu in addition bridgy could verify that original-post has syndicated-post as a u-syndication
# KartikPrabhu my selfish use-case is that I could import all of my pre-POSSE twitter back to my site and still get activity backfed
# KartikPrabhu this way bridgy would have less work to do :)
# KartikPrabhu what do you mean?
# KartikPrabhu as in just send syndicated-url?
# KartikPrabhu but afaik bridgy saves the "connection" between originalpost and syndicated-post and polls them
# KartikPrabhu I mean... it seems to me that currently bridgy scans the tweet-url and finds the original-url and saves the fact that they are related. Then it polls the tweet-url for activity and sends it to the original-url as mentions
# KartikPrabhu I thought it already does 1.
# KartikPrabhu oh! ok... i might have to re-think how to make it less work for bridgy then!
# KartikPrabhu my whole point is that bridgy should do minimal work since we don't want bridgy to become another "silo"
# KartikPrabhu this is an interesting issue... must think more :)
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: we should document this brainstorming somewhere so I/you/others can refer to it and make suggestions :)
# KartikPrabhu ok cool! I will add to that too... when I get more time
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: already an open tab in my FF
# KartikPrabhu ciao
# KartikPrabhu damn it Loqi!
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# KartikPrabhu Loqi you should help me with physics too!
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# gRegor` I commented on http://datahiveconsulting.com/2014/04/10/indiewebify-me-and-the-knowledge-gap/ - it's waiting for approval.
# gRegor` For the logs:
# gRegor` Hi, Lynne. You raise some great points in this post. I am a self-proclaimed “indieweb enthusiast.” I have not been around the group too long, but one of the things I really like is that there seems to be a strong desire to make things easier and more accessible for everyone, not just technical people. There’s a long way to go, but I see small steps and am excited by them. http://brid.gy is..
# gRegor` .
# gRegor` ...one example, allowing people to pull back comments and likes to their own site pretty easily.
# gRegor` There is at least one WordPress theme, SemPress, that supports microformats2 out of the box. Of course, the barrier for indieweb to overcome there is that most people won’t want to switch their current theme. There is also a WordPress plugin for sending/receiving webmentions. Andy Sylvester made a good video about installing and using it: http://andysylvester.com/2014/01/27/working-with-webmenti
# gRegor` on
# gRegor` -video/
# gRegor` I’m definitely interested in helping bridge the knowledge gap, though, and helping people get on board easier. I will try to distill some of this on the IndieWebCamp wiki and might put some more attention towards a set of first steps for WordPress users. Thanks for the post drawing attention to this topic!
# KartikPrabhu gRegor`: I was half-tempted to point out that people are working on the "make easier" problem. The wording of that article is too harsh IMO
# gRegor` Perhaps. I got the impression it wasn't in bad faith, though. I thought a positive comment could help.
# gRegor` I honestly had not thought of indiewebify.me as an entry point to indieweb, like it seems it was for her.
# KartikPrabhu it is an entry-point if you are willing to explore the tech at the moment. But for Gen2/3 people it isn't and it is not intended to be either
# gRegor` I think the bits about competing with Apple and Google was... well, wrong angle. It's a grassroots thing, not really an attempt to "take on" big companies
# gRegor` Agreed
# gRegor` (Actually, what I guess i mean is I forgot about indiewebify.me altogether :)
# gRegor` I've used it twice.
# gRegor` Among the many indieweb rabbit trails that interest me, making things easier is definitely one of them. I was thinking this afternoon that maybe I should make the WordPress official themes in mf2 friendly versions
# gRegor` Yeah
# gRegor` Do you run WordPress on your own site currently?
# gRegor` Nice
# gRegor` You should definitely release it when it's ready. :)
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# gRegor` I know WordPress pretty well from implementing it on several client sites. I typically do more custom plugin development on those than theming - our designers do most of that - but they also don't know PHP well at all, so I often have to go in to clean stuff up and guide them in better practices.
# gRegor` I've not set up/released any themes of my own though
# gRegor` Ah, well I'll gladly help in my spare time.
# gRegor` Do you develop in another language like PHP, or just picking it up?
# gRegor` er, Python
# gRegor` Cool
# gRegor` I was just about to say, I've not dabbled much with custom post formats yet, but that seems like the way to go for marking up statuses, likes, etc.
# gRegor` I'll need to look at twenty-fourteen more in-depth
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GWG link - A link to another site. Themes may wish to use the first <a href=””> tag in the post content as the external link for that post. An alternative approach could be if the post consists only of a URL, then that will be the URL and the title (post_title) will be the name attached to the anchor for it.
# GWG video - A single video. The first <video /> tag or object/embed in the post content could be considered the video. Alternatively, if the post consists only of a URL, that will be the video URL. May also contain the video as an attachment to the post, if video support is enabled on the blog (like via a plugin).
# gRegor` Are those built in to the core, or part of the theme, do you know?
# gRegor` (Guess I can just open the wiki instead of being lazy :)
# gRegor` These don't look like they'd be too hard to implement.
# gRegor` aside seems an odd name for what it is, but that could work for replies.
# gRegor` "quote" seems like a good one for replies, but that would also restrict you from posting your own quote types (instead of replies)
# gRegor` At least without some custom field / plugin interaction.
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# gRegor` Alright, time for sleep. I'll look into this more in the coming days GWG
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@rodw RT @hollyherndon: Really into this @indiewebcamp POSSE idea. Super simple and feasible, host your own content and syndicate out https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/454558818304004096)
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# ben_thatmustbeme hey guys. Not that i'm honestly expecting anyone to be up right now
# ben_thatmustbeme yay
# ben_thatmustbeme but you are rare in here
# ben_thatmustbeme i believe caseorganic was in Japan for a time too
# ben_thatmustbeme Mostly its all West Coast USA though
# ben_thatmustbeme I apologize, I just wish there were more of you :)
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# ben_thatmustbeme yay east coasters
# ben_thatmustbeme I really need to get some design skills. I can do plenty but i cannot make things look good.
# ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i've tried that, still doesn't help me
# ben_thatmustbeme I just start with other's templates.
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: http://aralbalkan.com/notes/design-is-not-veneer/ might be useful reading regarding bootstrap
# barnabywalters a lot of it is a long rant, but the “so what’s a developer to do” is of practical use
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# ben_thatmustbeme YESSS, likes and comments are working, though comments are not fully cleaned up
# ben_thatmustbeme and it seems mf2-php will return relative URLs for author photos and not others
# ben_thatmustbeme ben.thatmustbe.me
# ben_thatmustbeme oops, i never configured recent comments
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: whether or not relative URLs are made absolute depends on how the URL is parsed
# ben_thatmustbeme i am using mf2-php and php-comments
# barnabywalters so <span class=“p-url”>/notes/1000</span> will give url: “/notes/1000” whereas <a class=“u-url” href=“/notes/1000”> will try to resolve it and give you an absolute URL
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: prefixes tell parsers how to parse particular values
# ben_thatmustbeme thats why your image isn't showing up barnabywalters, the likes returned absolute urls for author photo, but the reply returned it as a relative
# 
cweiske in case someone wants to make screenshots of websites - my self-hosted website screenshot service is working now: http://phancap.cweiske.de/phancap.phar/ and example: http://phancap.cweiske.de/phancap.phar/get.php?url=http://indiewebcamp.com
# cweiske also nice for archiving: pdf output: http://phancap.cweiske.de/phancap.phar/get.php?sformat=pdf&url=http://indiewebcamp.com
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# ben_thatmustbeme its just returning the src field from the img
# ben_thatmustbeme http://kylewm.com/like/2014/04/08/1 was a like, the lib returns the absolute url since the u-photo has src='http://....'
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# ben_thatmustbeme http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VUFr4/ however has src='/photo.jpg'
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# ben_thatmustbeme it does not
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: you’re probably not giving it a base URL then, because parsing that page with pin13 produces absolute URLs on my author h-card: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fnotes%2F4VUFr4%2F
# barnabywalters $mf = Mf2\parse($html, $url);
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# ben_thatmustbeme you are correct, i am not
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: no worries, it’s a bit of a usability problem with php-mf2
# ben_thatmustbeme hmm, now i just need to rip out the base_url
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: what do you mean?
# barnabywalters you should give Mf2\parse the HTML you want to parse, and the URL where you found it
# ben_thatmustbeme so i'd have to give it 'http://waterpigs.co.uk' but the full url right?
# barnabywalters that way, document-relative URLs are resolved correctly
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: you just pass it the URL where you got the HTML from
# barnabywalters no modifications or processing
# ben_thatmustbeme oh, excellent, thats easy
# ben_thatmustbeme does it resolve redirects too?
# ben_thatmustbeme given that someone could have given me a shortlink
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: no, it doesn’t resolve redirects
# barnabywalters it doesn’t touch the network at all (yet)
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# barnabywalters so, I use a library called Guzzle as an HTTP client
# barnabywalters the Response objects have a getEffectiveUrl() method, which returns the final step in any redirect chains
# barnabywalters that’s what I pass into Mf2\parse()
# ben_thatmustbeme curl_setopt($c, CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION, 1);
# ben_thatmustbeme $real_source_url = curl_getinfo($c, CURLINFO_EFFECTIVE_URL);
# barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: that’s the one
# ben_thatmustbeme there we go
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kbs barnabywalters: finally got around to doing the fingerprint-tweet-via-syndication a couple days back - you're the [only :)] test case - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18852638/draft/lindy/media/img/tweet_key.png [and code etc over at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18852638/draft/lindy/lindy.html]
# barnabywalters kbs: awesome! so it’s searching for rel-syndication and verifying the syndicated copy?
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# barnabywalters kbs: amazing work! definately add that to the pgp wiki page
# barnabywalters does it have a more permananent home URL than dropbox?
# snarfed kbs: there are definitely thoughts. http://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb-messaging , http://indiewebcamp.com/private_posts
# barnabywalters kbs: presumably you’ve already seen http://indiewebcamp.com/messaging and http://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb-messaging
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@EchosBusiness Des chiffres inquiétants pour Twitter http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/tech-medias/actu/0203438262862-ces-chiffres-inquietants-pour-twitter-664177.php ... Heureusement nous avons #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/454651838760239104)
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Loqi [mention] http://ben.thatmustbe.me/post/2014/4/11/1/Webmention_Glory linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://ben.thatmustbe.me linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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# ben_thatmustbeme sorry on that last one, that was me running tests on indiewebify.me
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@haverholm Finally, down the line, I'm going to adopt an #IndieWeb policy for my online presence: http://indiewebcamp.com/ Still a way to go, though. (twitter.com/_/status/454656190170284032)
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# gRegor` Another day, another SQL injection vulnerability...
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aaronpk is that mentioned on the /databases page? heh
# gRegor` Heh, not sure.
# gRegor` Just a work-relatted vent
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# KartikPrabhu bret: mainly that it ties the responsiveness of the image to the viewport rather that to its own size on screen
# KartikPrabhu bret: so if i change my css to make my image gallery smaller it will still respond to viewport sizes
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@kevinmarks "@maryjofoley: ICYMI: Microsoft ending support for custom domains with https://www.outlook.com/owa/ and Hotmail: http://t.co/UYoMggkt4S" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/454698888507572224)
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# ben_thatmustbeme which article?
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# ben_thatmustbeme i can't say I'd argue with him. Its a high barrier to entry, but its basically a test bin. Its like walking in to an R&D department and saying, "these aren't consumer products!"
# ben_thatmustbeme the links are pretty easy, yes, I think the microformats2 issue he brings up is really just a matter of getting more templates to support mf2
# ben_thatmustbeme looks back at the author name, oh yes, Her.
# ben_thatmustbeme Eventually. but until we have figured out exactly the best methods by practice whats the point of having everyone use it.
# ben_thatmustbeme Just thinking of my friend's wordpress site. He has pingback already on there. He never really thought about the set-up, its just there because he saw a plugin for it. In time that will hopefully be replaced by webmention, but before that the mf2 markup has to be there.
# ben_thatmustbeme which they can. Create some links. She said that was pretty straight forward.
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# KartikPrabhu I think people are thinking about the "make easier" problem
# ben_thatmustbeme so you are saying we really need a simpler version of /wordpress for the layman
# KartikPrabhu GWG: i disagree that it is a low-hanging fruit
# KartikPrabhu making technical things accessible is a very hard task
# KartikPrabhu no. anything
# KartikPrabhu if you have a good idea to make anyone thing accessible lets say mf2 then put it on the wiki... a lot of people would be very happy
# KartikPrabhu yes. but I don't see a good way other that "here install this theme/plugin"
# ben_thatmustbeme I think the place to work on that is convincing theme creators to add mf2 markup
# kylewm gRegor` posted a nice response in case anyof you hadn't seen it (although i think this is pretty much the same crew as last night) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-10/line/1397195303
# ben_thatmustbeme thats the big next step as i see it. then its basically transparent to users
# KartikPrabhu agrees with ben_thatmustbeme:
# ben_thatmustbeme there is really only what, 1 theme for WP that has mf2. SemPress
# gRegor` Agreed, ben_thatmustbeme
# KartikPrabhu also converting from mf to mf2 is very non-trivial
# gRegor` I was mentioning to GWG that I'd like to make an mf2 version of twenty-fourteen, the default WP theme
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# gRegor` Jinx, heh
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: not according to the /WordPress page - there are several themes
# KartikPrabhu GWG: that is what I mean. You have to do it individually for each theme, you can't easily automate it
# KartikPrabhu tantek: I'll leave that to people who have worked with Wordpress more than I. gregor` and GWG
# ben_thatmustbeme i see 2 actually, Sempress and P2, the uf2 one is a plugin to try to add mf2 but the author says its very basic and you are better off with a theme that supports it
# KartikPrabhu I was commenting from the pov that it is hard to support legacy mf parsing and similarly adding mf2 to existing themes
# tantek ben_thatmustbeme: if http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Themes is incorrect, please fix it
# gRegor` tantek: Unfortunately the problem with documenting how to add mf2 to WordPress themes is that themes can be so random. There's not really any "one way" to write themes.
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek, I don't think so, but i wouldn't call 2 "several"
# ben_thatmustbeme unless there are more that are not on there
# KartikPrabhu tantek: I didn't understand that
# tantek in general, if you want to improve accessibility to WordPress users, improve the /WordPress page
# gRegor` tantek: This is why I'm (kind of) interested in setting up versions of the Twenty-X themes.
# gRegor` It's a start. It's probably the most used theme for the simple fact that it's the default.
# KartikPrabhu tantek: also see - http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#mixture_of_microformats2_and_classic_microformats_classnames_on_different_elements which presumably you wrote
# KartikPrabhu I have found no good way to handle such things in mf2py
# KartikPrabhu unless I ignore legacy mf
# KartikPrabhu I mean do I count hentry as h-entry ? or completely ignore legacy mf
# gRegor` GWG: My thought is, if they have the skill to modify some
# gRegor` Oops
# KartikPrabhu GWG: is the final goal to have a Wordpress theme that on installation does everything indieweb?
# gRegor` GWG: My thought is, if they have the skill to modify some base theme - like the HTML5 base theme we use for some of our clients - then they don't really need a custom theme from the indieweb anyway. They know HTTML and can add in the mf2
# KartikPrabhu tantek: but as in that link hentry could have a nested h-entry due to Wordpress shenanigans
# tantek KartikPrabhu: documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Parser_Compatibility
# kbs started the topic at https://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Private.2C_Transient.2C_Async_Messaging]
# gRegor` So I think a barebones theme that has mf2 would be a good thing to have - point the designers/developers that want to build a theme to use that. And them some common defaults that non-technical users could try out, like Twenty Fourteen.
# gRegor` I'm more interested in the latter, in the near term.
# KartikPrabhu tantek: it seems you are suggesting i ignore all the Wordpress shenanigans with the wrong nesting of h-entry in hentry
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# ben_thatmustbeme i'd agree making a modified Twenty Fourteen is a good thing to do. Honestly the more themes we give people to start from the better.
# gRegor` Back to work. I'll be back later.
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# tantek !tell gRegor`,GWG I've added your thoughts on projects to improve WordPress indieweb support here: http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Working_On - please feel free to expand/rewrite that section!
# Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: I've added your thoughts on projects to improve WordPress indieweb support here: http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Working_On - please feel free to expand/rewrite that section!
# KartikPrabhu tantek: i see... I'll look at it in more detail
# KartikPrabhu yes. I will report such things as i find them
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# tantek also, GWG - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people :)
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# @haverholm So, what #IndieWeb ready blogging tool shall I install to my domain? I'm on hired space, so strictly LAMP, no exotic PHP modules… @benwerd (twitter.com/_/status/454712947382943744)
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@benwerd @haverholm Idno is switching to MySQL over the next month for this reason. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/454713726755561473)
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# @haverholm RT @benwerd: @haverholm Idno is switching to MySQL over the next month for this reason. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/454717957386825728)
# kylewm not to get too into marketing crap, but I think it would be cool to have a page with different fictional user profiles, like "if you are a hardcore blogger using wordpress, do this", "if you love twitter but want to own your tweets, do this", "if you are a developer and want to push the envelope forward, do this"
# tantek kylewm - the /generations page is kind of an actual formal analysis of such user profiles, based on real segments
# tantek GWG - start with adding yourself to /irc-people
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# markmhendrickson hey everybody, just wanted to say hi since I'm getting into this channel for the first time. I'm Mark Hendrickson (http://markmhendrickson.com), I've seen a bunch of you at a couple indiewebcamps, and I'm hacking on an indieweb project called Asheville (http://asheville.io, channel: #asheville)
# markmhendrickson tantek, are you proud of me that i'm here? =)
# markmhendrickson i just spent 3 hours teaching myself IRC. my nerd cred is hurting
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# tantek kylewm - create a "San Francisco" subsection here: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club#Notes
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# kbs [kylewm - http://kylewm.com/note/2014/04/11/3 - gmail atleast was fine when i checked a few hours after the first disclosure. Given the discovery was by a googler, maybe they had any issues handled previously. fwiw, also http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/04/google-services-updated-to-address.html]
# KartikPrabhu markmhendrickson: does your own site use Asheville?
# markmhendrickson not yet but that's on the way. i wrote a few thoughts about that here http://markmhendrickson.com/post/25
# markmhendrickson my own website is going to be my main point of dogfooding, with all my photos, checkins, status updates etc that i'm already posting elsewhere on the web
# KartikPrabhu aah ok. just curious about how diff. people are implementing UIs and all that
# markmhendrickson my website is an open source ember app: https://github.com/markmhx/markmhendrickson
# tantek KartikPrabhu: this may help with your #microformats 2 question: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-faq#which_backcompat_root_classes
# markmhendrickson yea, the UIs will be interesting to see. very early still, i'm the only one hacking on it for the most part so far
# tantek markmhendrickson: add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
# KartikPrabhu tantek: thanks added link to issue to refer while coding
# KartikPrabhu yes. will do. I have been getting better at documenting things :)
# kylewm kbs, thank you for the info. I should know better than to spread FUD about things I don't know about ... I was going by lastpass's security report https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/lastpass-sec-report.png
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# @benwerd @haverholm PS: any comments / feedback / "applause" you'd be willing to share would be really appreciated: https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/idno-a-collective-storytelling-platform-that-supports-the-diversity-of-the-web #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/454727203914133505)
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# KartikPrabhu GWG: what about it?
# KartikPrabhu any text that would make sense without reading the whole article
# KartikPrabhu notes don't need a summary
# KartikPrabhu GWG: non of the properties are compulsory. specially not p-summary
# KartikPrabhu if you would consider a piece of text as a summary (in the normal sense of the word) then mark it up with p-summary otherwise don't...
# KartikPrabhu you mean a reply?
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# KartikPrabhu GWG: it is always better to not have multiple names for the same thing
# KartikPrabhu also "aside" already has separate semantics in HTML5
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# KartikPrabhu I see...
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# gRegor` kylewm: Should all the event / attendee info be removed from past event pages?
# Loqi gRegor`: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 56 minutes ago: I've added your thoughts on projects to improve WordPress indieweb support here: http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Working_On - please feel free to expand/rewrite that section!
# gRegor` I haven't looked at logs. What problem, GWG?
# gRegor` kylewm: I'm referring to this page, to be clear: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club
# gRegor` Oh, "aside" for replies?
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# gRegor` Oy. Way to be confusing, WordPress... they have "post formats" and "post types"
# gRegor` You want the latter, a custom post type.
# gRegor` They are all posts, of course, but to target them differently in themes / more easily query them, post types is the way to go.
# gRegor` I really dislike some of WordPress's conventions.
# gRegor` Or seeming lack of them.
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# gRegor` http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/post-formats-vs-custom-post-types/ might be helpful. The first paragraph seems to contradict what I'm suggesting though.
# gRegor` "If you want it to show up in your site’s main RSS feed, then it’s probably not a custom post type."
# gRegor` If I were a WordPress user, I think I would prefer that my "notes" and "posts" remain separate. And they would if you use custom Post Types.
# gRegor` What's your use case right now, GWG? You want to post articles, notes, and notes that are in-reply-to other notes/articles, right?
# gRegor` If that's the case, the simplest solution is: 1) edit your theme to mark up the h-entry for each WordPress post. That's the same for all those content types.
# gRegor` 2) Use WordPress custom fields to add an in-reply-to field. Edit the theme so that if there is a value in that field, it adds the appropriate mf2 markup to the h-entry.
# gRegor` photo and video don't require special mf2, afaik
# gRegor` Post formats give you that control, adding classes you can target with CSS.
# gRegor` But the mf2 markup is still the same. They're all still h-entry
# gRegor` Start with adding h-entry to the theme so that every post can be ready by a parser (indiewebify.me)
# gRegor` Then add custom fields for in-reply-to
# gRegor` Then, finally, tinker with display of different post types (photo, video, etc.)
# gRegor` Yeah, definitely don't lose your current work :)
# gRegor` Maybe put it on Github
# gRegor` I think I was over complicating the process in my mind late last night. I think following those three steps should help make it easier
# gRegor` !tell kylewm Should all the event / attendee info be removed from past event pages? e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club
# gRegor` Sounds like a good plan
# kylewm.com edited /events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club (+3812) "Undo revision 8094 by [[Special:Contributions/Kylewm.com|Kylewm.com]] ([[User talk:Kylewm.com|talk]]). Whoa I accidentally deleted the majority of the content from this page when trying to edit part of edit. Reverting" (view diff)
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# kylewm.com edited /events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club (+661) "re-adding notes from San Francisco" (view diff)
# Loqi kylewm: gRegor` left you a message 3 minutes ago: Should all the event / attendee info be removed from past event pages? e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club
# gRegor` Thanks, Loqi
# gRegor` Heh
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# gRegor` You mean your replies to others' content?
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# gRegor` Oh, the differences between repost, reply, and repost with reply?
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# gRegor` Can you give me a better example, GWG? I'm not sure what the question is.
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# gRegor` Sure
# gRegor` You shorten the text that gets cross-posted to Twitter to make sure it's under 140 characters.
# gRegor` FB has a much higher character limit. Not sure what it is.
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# gRegor` SemPress theme is pretty nice as a base theme, actually. http://notizblog.org/
# gRegor` I mean as a base theme that you can point designers/developers to, that they can expand.
# gRegor` The theme screenshot on WordPress.org shows a sidebar, so I don't know what the options are.
# gRegor` hm?
# gRegor` Friendfeed.com still exists. I'm amazed FB hasn't shut it down.
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