#indiewebcamp 2014-04-15

2014-04-15 UTC
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tantek anybody here from NYC?
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acegiak aaronpk: did we end up working out what the upset was between my markup and p3k?
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KartikPrabhu while parsing received mentions should I be looking only for the first "h-entry" in the page?
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kbs dunno if this two-bit idea makes sense
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kbs but thought it gave the least worst results in general, when looking for the most important h-* block, to find the first one in bfs order
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kbs alternately [to steal an idea from readability] can also weigh a h-* block by the number of child blocks with "interesting" properties
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KartikPrabhu kbs: yeah first one by bfs sounds like the right thing
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kylewm how about the first one by bfs that actually links to you?
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kylewm (although I just grab the first one)
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kbs kylewm's idea seems better suited for webmention [I ran into mine when generally analyzing pages for h-* blocks, maybe doesn't make sense everywhere]
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kylewm actually this just says to use the first one https://indiewebcamp.com/reply#Display_received_comments
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kylewm kbs: when you say bfs order, is that pre-order or in-order traversal?
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kbs hm
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kbs my notion of bfs has a fairly unambiguous traversal, perhaps I'm using the terminology wrong :)
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kbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Breadth-first-tree.svg - the nodes are numbered in the sequence I visit them
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kylewm yep you're right, that was a dumb question
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kbs just naming conventions I guess - I often have to look it up for the pedants in my life :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: thanks I was looking for that link
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kbs hm, out of curiosity - how are folks finding "the first"? :-)
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gRegor` I use the first one returned by the mf2 parser
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gRegor` Source order
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aaronpk I think what you're looking for is this http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes. kylewm linked to that.
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aaronpk Oh ok
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KartikPrabhu kbs: the html will automatically have a tree structure. so the first is basically first by bfs
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aaronpk Oh he linked to the short version
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aaronpk The comments presentation link has a lot more info
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KartikPrabhu oh... will look at that too :) thanks
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kbs KartikPrabhu: actually, that's where I ran into trouble - do the selectors tend to find 'the first' by dfs rather than bfs?
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kbs eg: "source-order" would be dfs
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KartikPrabhu kbs: oh sorry yeah 'source-order' would be dfs because mf2 parsers use dfs
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aaronpk Also here is an implementation https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: thanks for that too. I can use it to guide my python version :)
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aaronpk Great!
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KartikPrabhu so can a mention be of more than one type? i.e. "repost-of" and "like-of" ?
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: yes
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KartikPrabhu hmm ok will keep that in mind! :)
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gRegor` That's what I was starting to work on last HWC
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gRegor` What I've decided on so far, for the data structure, is a 'type' field that stores whether it's a mention or a reply
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gRegor` Then I have boolean fields for 'is like', 'is repost', and 'is rsvp'
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gRegor` It's still in progress though, so could change :)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: I'm just doing parsing as of now. Storing will have to be looked at :)
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gRegor` Ah, well it helped inform my parsing
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KartikPrabhu nods
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kbs (please don't forget about /xss :-)
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gRegor` I will only display plaintext
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gRegor` I might add in auto-linking later
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gRegor` But currently I only permit bold and italics pseudo-code in my blog comments, so I'm not limiting webmentions much by showing them plain text.
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tantek gRegor`: what's your backend written in?
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gRegor` PHP
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tantek you can always use the CASSIS autolinker then
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gRegor` I have it on Github if you'd like to poke around, though.
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tantek github.com/tantek/cassis/
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gRegor` Sweet, thanks
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gRegor` I've actually adapted your NewBase60 code from cassis to some work projects. :)
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tantek oh cool!
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tantek yeah I think the function is called auto_link
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gRegor` I use it as part of a checksum on password reset links, to ensure the code is valid and within X days.
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tantek wow amaze!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: your php-comments does not seem to account for p-repost-of?
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KartikPrabhu i.e. "h-cite" inside a "repost-of"
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-04-23-homebrew-website-club (+36) "/* RSVP */ in. and reserved @MozSF" (view diff)
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@AndySylvester99 #indieweb Figuring out microformat support in the Selfoss feed reader: http://andysylvester.com/b/50 (twitter.com/_/status/455913642249048064)
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KartikPrabhu bear: what would be a good way to introduce mf2py in ronkyuu? submodule?
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@EmilyyyHale Oh I pictured cz doing this and laughed for a good five minutes straight. http://indieweb.co is gold. https://twitter.com/EmilyyyHale/status/455926177749012480/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/455926177749012480)
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@chrismessina @gregcohn @ChrisSaad @kevinmarks @jsmarr @t can't comment on the tech specs, but it seems timely and beyond current IndieWeb concepts. (twitter.com/_/status/456075138803326976)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: that is entirely possible. I may have left that out accidentally
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aaronpk snarfed: just got the "bridgy's facebook auth expired" notification! that works well!
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snarfed aaronpk: awesome! glad to hear it
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snarfed annoying that fb expires them, but at least the renewal works
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2014-04-23-homebrew-website-club (+42) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2014-04-23-homebrew-website-club (+2) "/* URLs */" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/11500459/685344088192195/11500459 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-04-23-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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aaronpk that was fast
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@t @chrismessina ideas concepts R&D is nice. Happy to incorporate as we #execute on the #IndieWeb. #yoursilotweetsarecute (ttk.me t4Va1) (twitter.com/_/status/456100865137737730)
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snarfed wow. kylewm, did you backfill possed tweets? or were you posseing back in 2009? e.g. http://kylewm.com/note/2009/09/05/4
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snarfed or maybe those weren't tweeted after all? thought they were based on http://kylewm.com/share/2014/04/14/1
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snarfed wow, twitter bought gnip. (a bigger commercial variant of my activitystreams project.) http://recode.net/2014/04/15/with-gnip-buy-twitter-starts-taking-its-data-business-seriously/
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snarfed background: https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial#related-work
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tantek probably an acquihire
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tantek this: "it’s a nice way to pick up a team of sixty-plus talented engineers schooled in the ways of Twitter and big data"
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tantek aaronpk - are you blocked on meta http-equiv to microformats2 parsing model?
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XgF Snarfed: A quick thing, you shouldn't be using tag:twitter.com to identify things
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XgF that's for twitter to use for their own purposes...
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snarfed XgF: fair enough
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snarfed it wasn't a great idea to start with, and i've never found a use for using tag IDs as opposed to just URLs
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tantek URLs++
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Loqi URLs has 1 karma
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snarfed i'd love to rip them out, but they're pretty embedded now and it's not a high priority. ah well
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XgF Yeah. I don't see much use for tag URIs. I do like urn:uuid for just randomly assigned "names" though
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snarfed yeah, when you're mint your own ids, definitely
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snarfed in this case, the silos already have ids that i wanted to reuse. the tag URI part was just to make them unique across silos
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snarfed regardless, it's pretty vestigial at this point
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cnxtrm idk if anybody can help, but I've completed the registration process for my domain. Since doing this I've decided to redirect 80->443(https). Doing this seems to have borken the indyweb login process
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barnabywalters kylewm: I really like the way you’re displaying multiple shared notes, e.f. http://kylewm.com/share/2014/04/14/1
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barnabywalters greetings cnxtrm!
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cnxtrm Hello
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cnxtrm belated...
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cnxtrm ;-)
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cnxtrm sorry
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tantek greetings cnxtrm! are you following the tips at https://indiewebcamp.com/https ?
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cnxtrm Oh!
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cnxtrm nope
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barnabywalters if you want to log in with indieauth using https, you have to manually type the whole URL, including HTTPS
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barnabywalters otherwise most implementations will assume HTTP
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barnabywalters and HTTP -> HTTPS redirects are considered insecure
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cnxtrm I see
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cnxtrm so in terms of setting up a website redirecting this way is not good practice?
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tantek no it is good practice
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tantek but for authentication it's considered insecure
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cnxtrm ic
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (+267) "/* FAQ */ Added “why https isn’t working” stub FAQ" (view diff)
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cnxtrm btw thanks!
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barnabywalters cnxtrm: not a problem! what’s your domain?
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /SoundCloud (+144) "/* IndieWeb uses */ added my usage of SoundCloud" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+87) "/* Roadmap */ Updated roadmap" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (-5) "/* Roadmap */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+180) "expand https FAQ and put it at the top to help nudge / encourage more https use" (view diff)
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cnxtrm connextrum.com
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barnabywalters tantek: I was considering putting it at the top for that reason, decided against it as problems with Twitter have been much more common
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barnabywalters but actually the https FAQ covers Twitter indirectly
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tantek agreed that problems with Twitter are more common. however I think it's useful even to Twitter users to quickly read/learn the bit about https
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barnabywalters just looking over /repost — given kylewm + others’ implementations, u-repost-of can be moved out of a “counterproposal” section and the whole page reformatted for consistency with other example pages
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tantek agreed
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tantek did we already do that with /like and u-like-of?
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barnabywalters tantek: yes
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tantek go for it
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aaronpk tantek: what do you mean blocked on http-equiv?
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tantek you were asking for microformats2 parsers to automatically parse http-equiv for you so you didn't need to in your webmention handling
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tantek "blocked" - is it impeding/slowing your progress on one of your top personal itches
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aaronpk oh right yes, that would be awesome to add that to the microformats parsers
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aaronpk I haven't encountered anything on my immediate list that i'm nblocked on because of that tho
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tantek yes I get that "would be awesome" ;)
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aaronpk i'm still working on adding DB indexes
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tantek ok, let me know when you do get blocked as such, until then it's captured here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#Add_meta_http-equiv_to_microformats2_parsing_model
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /like (-5) "/* IndieWeb Experiments */ no longer “experiments”" (view diff)
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tantek (aaronpk - in case you want to save that URL somewhere with your itches/tasks that depend on it, so you can reping me on it when you get there ;) )
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aaronpk noted https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/48
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /repost (+382) "Tidied, promoted u-repost-of to official w/ markup example, added kylewm in-wild example, my own example of displaying reposts" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /repost (+254) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Added microformats.org example" (view diff)
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barnabywalters this is a long shot, but: has anyone ever come across a UI which makes posting content with fallback content easy?
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barnabywalters examples: img -> alt, SVG in object -> img -> alt, audio/video -> fallback content
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters: fallback content as in?
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KartikPrabhu nope! that would be very cool
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barnabywalters I’ve recently been posting a bunch of SVGs, and other images which I’ve put a bunch of effort into creating fallback content for
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barnabywalters it seems that HTML is the only UI which makes it easy
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barnabywalters also, the text-oriented editing makes it really obvious if a post needs fallback
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KartikPrabhu I write that directly in HTML too. SVGs with jog fall bavcks
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barnabywalters because you’re seeing it roughly how a visually impaired reader would
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KartikPrabhu jpg*
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: nice! do you have an example?
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KartikPrabhu of the code/final example?
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: final example
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barnabywalters (presumably the code can be seen fairly easily from the final example)
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KartikPrabhu http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog any image in this
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KartikPrabhu though beware it uses some JS to load the correct image so HTML might look very messy
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: oh awesome, I hadn’t realised those were SVGs! nice work
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barnabywalters some far less impressive ones I’ve posted recently: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VEPzA/ http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VYEm0/
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KartikPrabhu thanks :) I am really trying to use SVGs for illusatations
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barnabywalters in both cases I provide both PNG fallback and prose description
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barnabywalters another case where this is relevant, and documented, is comics
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: what are you using to author SVGs?
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barnabywalters another example of images with descriptive prose fallback: http://localhost:9000/notes/4UsH5N/
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KartikPrabhu Inkscape, and then I use a SVG optimizer plugin to make them 'simpler'
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barnabywalters oops, that should be http://localhost:waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UsH5N/
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barnabywalters crap
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KartikPrabhu hehe
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barnabywalters http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UsH5N/
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Loqi hehe
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barnabywalters (third time lucky)
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: nice, how effective is the simplifier?
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KartikPrabhu I use scour ( http://www.codedread.com/scour/ ) which has a bunch of options. works pretty well
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KartikPrabhu as a last resort sometimes I edit them by hand in a text editor
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KartikPrabhu scour is good as it also has good commandline for batch processing andworks as a plugin straight into Inkscape
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kbs quite tangential to the subject of posting fallback-ed content
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kbs but one of the few times javascript comes in handy for communicating interesting ideas through illustrations is Bret Victor's Tangle - something either of you have played with already?
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KartikPrabhu hmm nope.
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kbs http://worrydream.com/Tangle/
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tantek.com edited /deleted (+169) "/* Brainstorming */ subhead HTML meta http-equiv for status and link to respective microformats2 parsing brainstorming item" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu kbs: looks neat!
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KartikPrabhu I wonder how well it works if there is no JS
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kbs (just falls back to static images
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kbs but I guess his thinking was more about communicating ideas in interesting ways, rather than what you were discussing :)
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KartikPrabhu kbs: I was looking for such a thing to play around with. Maybe I can use it correctly with fallbacks
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kbs exeunts left, pursued by layers of fallbacks
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KartikPrabhu another one which looks more fancy is https://github.com/unconed/MathBox.js
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kylewm snarfed: reading back from the logs ... I backfilled a bunch of tweets from Twitter. actually kind of funny, I had deleted ~2,000 of them and stored them in a weird Java-specific database in a fit of privacy anxiety. had a chance to restore them when I got my domain :)
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snarfed kylewm: nice!
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snarfed no links to the actual tweets yet…?
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snarfed oh i see, not if they were deleted
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tantek a bit of historical silo-quitting
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tantek once again hovering just below ~100 people in the channel!
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KartikPrabhu has there never been 100?
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kylewm !tell barnabywalters thanks for the kind words! I've been trying not to mimick p3k and idno too badly, but ... failing :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek KartikPrabhu: we've been bubbling above 100 for about a couple of weeks now
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KartikPrabhu oh hmm good! I never notice that number
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tantek kylewm - no apologies, keep re-using what works :)
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kylewm snarfed: agree that we should move the github conversation back here/wiki. does it make sense to add a "Proposals" section to the indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery ?
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kylewm thanks tantek :)
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tantek kylewm - re: original-post-discovery - are there specific steps in the algorithm that you think could be improved? or a completely different algorithm or?
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tantek (trying to avoid re-hashing a thread from elsewhere, hoping you can distill it into a quick summary of conclusions)
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kylewm we were discussing ways bridgy could do it without an explicit permalink (but with a link to the parent domain)
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kylewm options were basically, add a new query endpoint, find better ways of "hiding" permalinks in each silo (a la See Original on facebook), a new webmention parameter, or have a bridgy-specific mechanism where sites notify bridgy of their relationships before hand
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kylewm or bridgy could search the parent site for rel=syndication links, I believe
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tantek I think that last one is particularly interesting
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tantek especially if bridgy simply signed-up to get PuSH notifications from the indieweb site
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tantek and then tracked the rel-syndication links from each original post
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Loqi barnabywalters: kylewm left you a message 6 minutes ago: thanks for the kind words! I've been trying not to mimick p3k and idno too badly, but ... failing :)
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kylewm ah cool, I actually hadn't given that one a lot of thought
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tantek Bridgy as PuSH consumer is the lightest weight (least HTTP), and most standards-using approach of those I think
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tantek and that helps encourage indieweb sites to support PuSH + h-feed as well
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kylewm does anyone do PuSH + h-feed yet? I know there was discussion of it recently
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tantek I think barnabywalters does (as part of his indie reader)
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kylewm oh, consumes it? that's even better
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tantek I think he blogged a bunch about it recently too
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tantek yes I believe barnabywalters is both publishing and consuming h-feed + PuSH
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kylewm does it make sense to capture this discussion in original-post-discovery?
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tantek or even in a new page: posse-post-discovery
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tantek because really that's what it is doing
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tantek though maybe crosslink from an original-post-discovery Brainstorming subsection as well
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kylewm ah cool, i will do that
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kylewm.com edited /original-post-discovery (+315) "Add Brainstorming section with link to posse-post-discovery" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /original-post-discovery (-1) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters kylewm: ha ha, if it works then use it :)
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barnabywalters reads logs
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barnabywalters RE publishing+consuming PuSH 0.4 — yes I am publishing it and have a skeleton consumer working, it’s not yet doing anything with the data other than just storing it though, yet
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barnabywalters my current UI challenge is: integrate feed reading tightly into taproot, or make it a separate tool?
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tantek barnabywalters: perhaps add your indieweb examples of doing so here? http://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub#IndieWeb_Examples
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barnabywalters tantek: there’s not really anything to link to yet
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tantek well, you could add an entry as a few of the rest of us have, and indicate since when you've supported it
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tantek checks to see when he started supporting PuSH
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barnabywalters oh actually yeah for supporting that works
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barnabywalters publishing, rather
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barnabywalters tantek: kylewm: you both mention PuSH support — are you sending pings for ATOM feed files or for the canonical HTML?
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kylewm ATOM files for me
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tantek samesies, since 2010. looking for actual start date...
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /PubSubHubbub (+163) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added example of HTML PuSH 0.4 notifications on homepage feed" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /permashortcitation (+11) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tantek: ha ha, I am struggling to imagine you saying “samesies”
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /PubSubHubbub (+44) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ clarified formats for tantek and kylewm" (view diff)
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tantek in digging for my PuSH support - found first use of permashortlink: http://tantek.com/2010/028/t1/syndicated-with-a-permashortlink and "permashortlink cite"
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barnabywalters off to make a hydrophone — goodnight all
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Loqi ciao
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aaronpk !!
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tantek looks like since 2010-02-01 http://tantek.com/2010/032/t3/bits-tweeting-from-my-site-favicon-twitter-pubsubhubbub
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aaronpk I played a hydrophone once
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KevinMarks just got tricked by linkedin again.
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tantek how?
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KevinMarks I thought it was showing me invites, ti was showing suggestions
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KevinMarks so I was inviting people rather than responding
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tantek heh
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aaronpk yikes
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KevinMarks there were more people i knew in the suggestions than the invites...
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kylewm is there a wiki tag for experimental/proposal-type things?
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kylewm.com created /posse-post-discovery (+4576) "Try to capture notes and possibilities for implementation" (view diff)
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snarfed thanks for doing all this kylewm!
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kylewm.com edited /posse-post-discovery (+5) "/* Motivation */ manually->automatically (typo)" (view diff)
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kylewm snarfed: sure! glad to have found something to sink my teeth into that will affect more than just my site :)
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snarfed my biggest fear so far: i want this myself too, and that means i'd have to implement it in wordpress
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snarfed not exactly my forte :P
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kylewm that's a good argument for the rel-syndication approach yeah?
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snarfed eh yeah, but then i'd have to do that too
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snarfed i'd really prefer a solution where i don't have to do any extra work
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snarfed can you make that happen? :P
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snarfed (kidding)
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kylewm haha, I'm planning on trying to implement it whichever way we go
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kylewm but yeah, even with that, it would mean more code/complexity/maintenance on the bridgy side
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snarfed eh that's fine. i'm just avoiding the wordpress parts
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snarfed esp since i posse manually, so rel-syndication links aren't as easy
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snarfed all on me though
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kylewm oh yeah that makes sense
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kylewm I'm thinking instead of PuSH consuming, Bridgy would use the appearance of silo content as the trigger to do the search
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kylewm since POSSE might happen sometime after the post is published
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snarfed yeah, that makes sense
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kylewm that's not quite as daunting to me
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snarfed esp since it already polls for new silo content
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snarfed definitely
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snarfed if we also say the query is a new endpoint, the change you already wrote in your branch basically implements it
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kylewm oh? are we still talking about searching the h-feed for syndication links?
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snarfed no, i was thinking about the original commit(s) you posted a long time ago
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snarfed iirc they discovered the endpoint, then queried it directly
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snarfed almost all inside original_post_discovery()
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snarfed https://github.com/kylewm/activitystreams-unofficial/commit/79e19cd753efbe38a682d1a738c1b956725d8c32
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snarfed oh, that commit actually returns the query url instead of fetching it. still works though.
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kylewm i'm not sure why .. but the query url actually resolves to the final permalink somewhere down the road
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kylewm so it showed up in bridgy's UI as the proper permalink
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snarfed i aggressively follow redirects and cache the results
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snarfed in many places
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kylewm except for 404 cases, where it showed up as the query url
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kylewm I think tantek convinced me to try to stick with the existing standards though, unless we get to a point where we absolutely can't
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snarfed that's only for sites that advertise a query endpoint, right?
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kylewm yes
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snarfed cool
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snarfed yeah fair point. an alternative would be for webmention handlers to support silo post targets and lookup internally
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snarfed meh
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kylewm like target=twitter-post&source=twitter-reply ?
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kylewm oh except it would be source=bridgy-proxy-of-twitter-reply
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snarfed right
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snarfed drawback is no one actually supports that yet
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snarfed but no one supports the query endpoint either, so nm
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kylewm dang, I feel like I went from 0 good options to 3 good options
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kylewm
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snarfed :P
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kylewm abusing webmention that way is a little less explicit than the secondary lookup, but it'd definitely be less work all around
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kylewm I kind of like it...
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kylewm it's not totally unlike receiving a mention to a shortlink
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snarfed very
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snarfed it'd be nice to have some discovery component, so that bridgy doesn't constantly send doomed WMs to sites that don't support this
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snarfed but i dunno
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kylewm yeah you're right, that would be a little spammy
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snarfed maybe it'd be fine, since we'd have to special case this a bit anyway
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snarfed hmm. i'm not sure the wms would go to the root domain. wouldn't source be the bridgy url and target be the silo url?
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@kevinmarks "@judell: The P in P2P is People. http://blog.jonudell.net/2014/04/15/the-p-in-p2p-is-people/ #thali" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/456182008234770433)
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kylewm snarfed: ah yeah, but you'd discover the wm endpoint from the root domain, rather than from the permalink
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kylewm I can clarify that in the wiki
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snarfed ah i see, sure. discovery from root domain, webmention to silo url
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snarfed btw, now that we have that wiki page, i'm going to close the bridgy issue. holler if you disagree
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kylewm +1
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@fdevillamil Had some great talks about #indieweb lately. Biggest issues: too geeky for "normal" people (to be defined) and no iOS / Android apps. (twitter.com/_/status/456191771979313154)
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snarfed hey, yeah, why aren't there more indieweb mobile apps?! :P
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snarfed ducks
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kbs By my definition of 'indieweb' anyway :) think I have a few [though not public] mobile apps
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kbs sees some tension between html-as-display and html-as-data as far as robustness of parsing and ease of display goes, between a mobile app and a browser
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snarfed yeah, i'm actually open to it too. i think the philosophy is indie first, web second
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kbs that's an interesting way of lookng at it
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kbs I was myself framing it as indieweb first, html second :)
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kbs ie, http still seems quite useful
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kbs though it really isn't Ht-tp anymore I guess
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kbs just data-tp or something
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snarfed yup
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j12t Shout out: Mediagoblin is in the last 3 days of their crowdfunding campaign, and they are a bit short. Anybody want to keep their videos and photos at home? Support them: http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html
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aaronpk snarfed: there are indieweb mobile apps :)
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/PushupCounter-iOS posts to my site via micropub, and uses indieauth for sign-in :)
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snarfed true!
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snarfed it's more a misnomer than anything else
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aaronpk I'm gonna have to make a basic ios twitter clone app aren't i
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snarfed why?
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aaronpk tiny feed reader and micropub client for creating note posts
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aaronpk well I'd use it
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snarfed ahh
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snarfed for non twitter feeds. got it
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aaronpk there's probably an open source app.net client I can fork
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kbs nice, heh
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@Johannes_Ernst Mediagoblin needs more support. 3 more days only. http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html #pcloud #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/456218852125204480)
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tantek j12t, do the developers of Mediagoblin selfdogfood it on their own domain?
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tantek aaronpk, snarfed, I don't understand - isn't your website its own mobile client?