#indiewebcamp 2014-05-07

2014-05-07 UTC
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kylewm weird marker showed up on my google maps at haight & ashbury https://twitter.com/kyle_wm/status/463835691864977409
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@kyle_wm Google Maps has added little markers for places I’ve searched for … and one human o_O cc @t https://twitter.com/kyle_wm/status/463835691864977409/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/463835691864977409)
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@kevinmarks #iiw day one notes - the #IndieWeb track: http://www.kevinmarks.com/iiw2014-05-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/463836257877913600)
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KevinMarks kylewm: that's by design - it's supposed to be Your Map
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KevinMarks so it shows you places you know about
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kylewm it’s pretty neat, just weird that tantek showed up on there amid burrito places
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KevinMarks well, if you have his address in your addressbook I think it shows that too
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KevinMarks If I could pip my foursquare checkins to it it would be great
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kylewm don’t think I have his address.. I think it must be from when I searched for the pizza place last HWC?
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: A standard isn't a standard until people are actively using it. And good standards are easy for people to adopt. #iiw #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463837136748150784)
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snarfed i think it's because he's actually in google maps. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tantek/@37.769207,-122.448424,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x80858753338330a5:0x811e740ef575dcd7
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snarfed yup. search for tantek in incognito window finds it
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KevinMarks did the wordpres.com bug get fixed?
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kylewm whoa
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KevinMarks 'cos i just sent another bunch of people to indiewebify.me and "error 52" suxx
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KevinMarks kylewm: tantek is maybe there because google indexed his hCard?
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kylewm KevinMarks: I’m super curious now. his hCard doesn’t have a phone number or neighborhood… that it’s just his first name makes me wonder if they think he’s a business
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks except he doesn't have a phone
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aaronpk They've found some things that are on my map that I'm pretty sure could have only been found from my foursquare
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kylewm Tantek 415-555-1212
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KevinMarks if i search fro kevin marks in google maps I get places I've reviewed
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snarfed use incognito mode, guys
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snarfed easy to distinguish. (if that's what you're trying to determine, at least)
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tantek perhaps I should see if I can move myself to the top of my favorite local hill
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KevinMarks that si in incognito
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KevinMarks 415-555-1212 is from http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
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snarfed ah right, your reviews
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KevinMarks I get (650) 335-9558 as a phone number for Tantek in incgnito
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kylewm 555-1212 was the number t suggested using in the ‘i am not a number’ article :)
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KevinMarks which is from the whois
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kylewm actually in incognito mode, searing for Kevin Marks, San Jose, I still get Tantek :)
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kylewm second result "talking HTML templates in #indiewebcamp, @KevinMarks asked for datetime, so I made a formatting format (yo dawg...)
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kylewm sorry, this is #indiechat stuff
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KevinMarks in maps?
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kylewm yep
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KevinMarks it used to do a white pages lookup and give my home address and phone number
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KevinMarks heh, it thinks Tantek is a business it says Website Designer
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aaronpk Man some of these sessions sound crazy
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tantek KevinMarks, what should my title be?
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KevinMarks I think that is a fine title. Web Redesigner?
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kylewm lol, that is brilliant
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aaronpk I liked the guy who introduced himself as his affiliation of "email"
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aaronpk With not as
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kylewm I got a kick out of that aaronpk, and his resume backed it up pretty well
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tantek I suppose Website Designer is close enough to all things IndieWeb
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tantek since we're design first :)
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KevinMarks was it Steve Crocker?
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aaronpk Web Designer would be better :)
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kylewm Dave Crocker, I think it said they were brothers?
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@aaronpk Lots of great topics at #iiw today, wish I could have been in more places at the same time! #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/05/06/5/iiw-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/463841802525491200)
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KevinMarks that Dave Crocker http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc822
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KevinMarks so when he says "email" he's not kidding
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aaronpk Yup
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aaronpk "I propose we have a women's breakfast..." So to like remove them all from the rest of the group? hmm
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tantek aaronpk, what context?
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aaronpk A surprisingly good turnout of women at this conference
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tantek who proposed the women-only breakfast?!?
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aaronpk Was a kind of celebratory thing
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tantek aaronpk - glad to hear it's diversified, that didn't use to be the case
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KevinMarks Kaliya proposed it
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tantek interesting
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aaronpk Celebratory/congratulatory
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tantek :)
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aaronpk Aww thanks benwerd
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@kevinmarks @FamilyCTO the #indieweb sessions did to some extent http://www.kevinmarks.com/iiw2014-05-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/463844385352732672)
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GWG Internet is down. I hate that.
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aaronpk I'm going to have to thank justin for all the questions
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kylewm GWG: …he said on IRC
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GWG kylewm: Cell phone
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GWG I'm going to end up having to buy more GB
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tantek What is "tour disperate personal clouds and pcloud-like objects"?
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tantek aaronpk - ah good that you got value from the questions!
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tantek from the talky it sounded like lots of hypotheticals
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tantek I take it IIW sessions are over for today?
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tantek will archive the notes from the Etherpad then
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kbs aaronpk: wasn't able to hear questions [only notes from etherpad/irc] - if you found any nuggets of wisdom, would love a read a little writeup somewhere :)
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GWG tantek: You are coming back to NYC for the East Conference?
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tantek GWG I am
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@domenicoperri RT @kevinmarks: #iiw day one notes - the #IndieWeb track: http://www.kevinmarks.com/iiw2014-05-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/463855524375564288)
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tantek.com edited /FAQ (+335) "Who is the audience for IndieWebCamp events" (view diff)
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GWG tantek: It will be fun
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tantek.com edited /FAQ (+235) "What is a personal website" (view diff)
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tantek !tell KevinMarks notes from your IIW How to join the IndieWeb session archived here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-05-06-iiw-join-indieweb
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk notes from you IIW IndieAuth session archived here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-05-06-iiw-indieauth
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek Instagram deleted it's tweet about working to fix a feed delivery issue
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tantek its
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GWG its?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-12/line/1397324571
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tantek this tweet has been deleted: https://twitter.com/instagram/statuses/455025601553108993
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tantek another citation of this tweet having existed: http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2014/04/12/instagram-confirms-that-its-service-is-down-due-to-a-feed-delivery-issue/
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tantek silly @Instagram, thinking they can actually delete something from the internet
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tantek now the fact that they deleted it draws even more attention to it. perhaps they thought no one would notice.
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GWG tantek: I deleted a bunch of things within 4 minutes of posting
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GWG You could probably find them.
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+401) "/* Downtime */ 2014-04-12 and their tweet was deleted. So we shall record that as well." (view diff)
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tantek GWG - within minutes is one thing. much later after the fact, so as in an attempt to alter history, is another
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tantek deleting withing minutes = editing.
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GWG Yes
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tantek Who watches the silos? We do. #indiewebcamp
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GWG tantek: T-shirt opportunity?
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tantek GWG - I'm thinking Watchmen (the comic) mashup.
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GWG Still...movements need slogans and t-shirts.
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@MogulAzam RT @kevinmarks: #iiw day one notes - the #IndieWeb track: http://www.kevinmarks.com/iiw2014-05-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/463881089287602176)
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gRegor` "This t-shirt is webmention enabled"
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KartikPrabhu "What's the use-case?"
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: can you try your mf2py parser on this? I added h-entry, p-title, and e-content to silencematters.com http://paste.debian.net/plainh/c9fa3398
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: my local one works but not the one on my server! weird... I'll track it down
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kylewm there is a missing </a> tag after the Cabinet Magazine link
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KartikPrabhu anything in particular I should look for?
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KartikPrabhu ahh ok
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: same error as in your api endpoint!
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kylewm yeah... :(
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kylewm i think it's a beautifulsoup bu
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kylewm g
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kylewm assuming that raising an exception for invalid html is a bug
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KartikPrabhu we should try to see how html5lib parses it. could be an error with them
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KartikPrabhu i.e. should html5lib close the tag?
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Loqi it is probable
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KartikPrabhu it seem my local version uses lxml so it works fine!
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: do you think we should force use of html5lib for consistency?
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kylewm ahh
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KartikPrabhu its already in the requirements.txt
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kylewm i'm -1 for forcing it
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kylewm lxml is supposed to be fast, maybe someone will care about that some day
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kylewm good idea about html5lib
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kylewm this gives the error, without mf2py soup.html.find(id='blog').find(id='post-986').find(class_='container')
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kylewm
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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KartikPrabhu why is 'container' the problem? everything before that seems fine to me
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KartikPrabhu no. sorry I see. no closing <a> before that
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: parsing directly with html5lib does not throw errors! I am stumped as to how to solve this...
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kylewm same
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kylewm going to grab bs4 source…
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: this is almost comical… bs4 works with an older version (4.3.0), but mf2py hangs indefinitely with the downgraded version
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KartikPrabhu judas priest!
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KartikPrabhu is there any documentation of why that error?
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kylewm brb
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kylewm looks like we're not the first at least https://bugs.launchpad.net/beautifulsoup/+bug/1270611
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KartikPrabhu oh well... no one is assigned, but I don't know if that means bs4 people don't care
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kylewm no response from them on the bug i filed about multivalued <html class=""> either
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KartikPrabhu hmm looks like a dying community
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kylewm totally unrelated question, do you think it would be useful to have a python indieweb starter kit? basically thinking a site that you could fork and deploy to heroku in a couple commands. It'd include stuff like mf2py and ronkyuu, have basic fill-in-the-blanks microformats markup and send/receive webmentions
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kylewm basically i'm wondering, is there a class of developer who knows enough to customize it, but wouldn't want to start from scratch?
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KartikPrabhu possibly. I don't know how many people use python to run websites... my aim was to develop my codebase until it is fit for release
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kylewm the python part was sort of a misdirect...i was sort of thinking about having one for each of python/ruby/php would be ideal
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KartikPrabhu i feel that a basic static website generator would be good
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KartikPrabhu having dynamic websites and managing them needs some dev skills
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kylewm oh, do you mean your goal eventually is to have your blog software be used by others besides just you?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: hopefully :)
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KartikPrabhu I'm just going to open source it
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kylewm you should!
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kylewm what's holding you back now?
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KartikPrabhu but yes... a static blog starter kit with basic indietools working might be helpful if people are into python/ruby etc...
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KartikPrabhu at the moment: all my code is very scattered. in fact my local code and server code is diff!
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KartikPrabhu also I have to learn how to do sub-modules in git/github
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kylewm oh wow! different versions on local/remote or totally divergent codebases??
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KartikPrabhu i started working on a file-storage on local but it is so incomplete that I now have diff. codes live and local :P
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KartikPrabhu is glad he doesn't work as a dev ;)
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kylewm ah ok that makes sense
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kylewm yeah i pushed out the db->filestorage conversion before it was quite ready for prime time
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KartikPrabhu i should have used git from the start with fork and all that but I didn't know how to :P
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KartikPrabhu now its all a big mess!
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Loqi yea
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kylewm hehe
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KartikPrabhu shut up Loqi! you don't know my pain!
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kylewm pretty good chance you can still rebase it back together, even if the two repos are significantly different
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kylewm really, you can pretty much do anything if no one is depending on the changeset ids staying the same
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KartikPrabhu yes possible... but I get distracted with other useful things I could be doing... like writing posts and playing with fragmentions and bridgy :P
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kylewm yes, untangling version control is significantly less fun
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@craigburton @dsearls @;windley @kevinmarks Kevin Marks get the medal for the most and best tweets. Puts #indieweb on the map #iiw (twitter.com/_/status/463908693491187712)
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@windley RT @craigburton: @dsearls @;windley @kevinmarks Kevin Marks get the medal for the most and best tweets. Puts #indieweb on the map #iiw (twitter.com/_/status/463908775837962240)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah... also maybe i'll switch to Flask since the only use of Django is to wrok with MySQL
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kylewm surely that would be a nontrivial port?
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KartikPrabhu you think... evne if everthing is moved to a file-storage type database?
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kylewm not sure, I've never used Django. just changing the syntax of the routes and stuff I guess?
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KartikPrabhu possibly... I'll definitely do that once I have git setup on this project :P
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kylewm Flask is beautiful and lovely, but I find that the extensions are hit and miss (unsurprisingly)
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Loqi [mention] http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/ (pingback)
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rknLA good evening
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rknLA kylewm: i would possibly be interested in a python starter kit
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@dietrich I wrote a new blog post: Baby Steps to Owning Your Data. http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463914464530554881)
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kylewm ah, thanks for the feedback rknLA. any thoughts on what it should/shouldn't include?
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rknLA not really sure tbh
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rknLA i'm still way more starter than i want to be.
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rknLA and something flasky would be nice.
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@znmeb RT @dietrich: I wrote a new blog post: Baby Steps to Owning Your Data. http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463915208948203520)
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rknLA though i've been thinking about basically porting what i can from p3k over to nodejs
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KartikPrabhu rknLA: i think the correct quesiton would be 'what would you like it to do?'
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Loqi [mention] http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/ (pingback)
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rknLA (lately i've been extremely torn between node and python)
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kylewm decisions decisions :)
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rknLA imho, basic notes<->twitter & fb, blog posts, web mentions and replies,
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rknLA dunno that it needs to be any more than that to get started
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KartikPrabhu that seems about right :)
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rknLA i'd be interested in checkins as well, with xpost to foursq
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rknLA and photos <-> ig
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rknLA but i don't think those are reasonably add-ons
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rknLA s/don't/
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Loqi rknLA meant to say: but i  think those are reasonably add-ons
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rknLA thanks loqi!
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Loqi you're welcome
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KartikPrabhu rknLA: unfortunately ig does not allow posting you can backfeed through ownyourgram though
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rknLA charles proxy is your friend :D
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@joshayala RT @dietrich: I wrote a new blog post: Baby Steps to Owning Your Data. http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463916086732144640)
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rknLA http://www.charlesproxy.com/
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KartikPrabhu has not really looked at ig, but that is what he gathers from IRC talk
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@koolhead17 RT @dietrich: I wrote a new blog post: Baby Steps to Owning Your Data. http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463916280597057536)
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rknLA i mean, it's probably better, in general, to use public facing things..
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kylewm that's really helpful thanks, and it makes me think that i should follow aaron et al's model of working on libraries for individual components
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rknLA which means PESOSing ig,
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kylewm instead of trying to make a half-assed "framework" :)
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rknLA but charles proxy for comments doesn't seem nearly as horrible as POSTing content directly from your servers ;)
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rknLA yeah, libraries definitely seem way more compelling than frameworks in this context for sure
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: individual libraries is a good idea... I've been trying to keep a lot of parts of my code independent of my actual blog setup
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KartikPrabhu should really get on open sourcing those
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rknLA this is where i think routing gets interesting... seems like you could do something neat in node that's basically just a regex server, proxying requests to various subsystems.
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rknLA kartikprabhu.com/blog would route to your blog setup,
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rknLA for example
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KartikPrabhu rknLA: Django already does that ;)
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rknLA KartikPrabhu: but only if every sub-setup is also django
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kylewm the Charles stuff from a minute ago -- the idea is you could reverse-engineer a posting API?
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rknLA kylewm: yeah, that's what i was getting at
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KartikPrabhu aah possibly
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rknLA kylewm: i guess the downside of that, though, is that you miss out on the filtering
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rknLA seems more sensible to use charles to figure out how to get IG's comment threads to include on your own servers
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rknLA probably a total TOS violation, but whatever
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kylewm bridgy does do that bit
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@canuckistani RT @dietrich: I wrote a new blog post: Baby Steps to Owning Your Data. http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463917537009209344)
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rknLA the comment grabbing?
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kylewm yes
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rknLA oh nice. i didn't realize bridgy was python :D
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@erinjo RT @kevinmarks: #iiw day one notes - the #IndieWeb track: http://www.kevinmarks.com/iiw2014-05-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/463917990115676161)
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@libel_vox via @KevinMarks "#indieweb is about having your own space on the web - your own domain as your primary identity" http://www.kevinmarks.com/iiw2014-05-06.html (twitter.com/_/status/463918319301435392)
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@erinjo Last thought of the night courtesy of @identitywoman - We're not a science experiment any more. #indieweb #iiw (twitter.com/_/status/463919290828091392)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I added a me-too to that BeautifulSoup bug. The only thing I can really think to do at this point is add a try/except around the text() method
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kylewm rknLA: part of me wants to say go for node.js for more language diversity in nthe IWC community
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rknLA i probably will :)
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kylewm I suspect https://github.com/glennjones/ will be your friend
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tantek agreed. and glennjones here in IRC :)
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KartikPrabhu agreed about lang. diversity
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rknLA w00t
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tantek nice post from dietrich: http://autonome.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/baby-steps-to-owning-your-data/ basically a PESETAS approach to at least collecting all your activity on silos into one place so you can have a copy / backup.
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tantek Then hopefully batch that over to an indieweb site
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tantek kbs, KartikPrabhu a python starter kit would be great
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I think you meant kylewm ^^
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rknLA question about the bridgy example at https://snarfed.org/2013-12-07_goodbye-penny-arcade-report#comments..
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rknLA what conventions are people using for storing comments / mentions / etc?
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rknLA like, if i want to store each post as a markdown file or something,
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tantek if anything, even for yourself, imagine moving your site to a new webhost
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tantek being able to quickly install your Python solution on a new host, and then export/importing the data would be highly convenient!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes, sorry I meant kylewm
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rknLA then i'd either need to cache the comments / mentions, or figure out how to get all of those things in an easily-renderable fashion...
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tantek rknLA see /storage :)
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rknLA doh. of course!
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KartikPrabhu yeah that :P
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rknLA well,
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rknLA so,
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KartikPrabhu tantek: agreed about a starter. modularizing and open-sourcing my code is on my to-do list
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rknLA that page doesn't cover storage of comments / webmentions
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tantek !tell aaronpk how do you store comments / webmentions? could you expand upon your entry here? http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek rknLA: looks like kylewm's approach to storing comments / webmentions is documented here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Red_Wind#Filestore
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kylewm it's a little light on information about comments
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rknLA nice. i was just poking around https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Storage_format to see if i could find anything.
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KartikPrabhu should name, document and opensource his project...
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kylewm re aaronpk, see http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Storing_External_Content
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kylewm which is what I attempted to follow ... store a list of URLs near the post itself, and archive the fetched HTML and parsed JSON in a separate area
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voxpelli rknLA: I'm using my https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ for my markdown blog
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rknLA voxpelli: nice, thanks for that!
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@kevinmarks RT @libel_vox: via @KevinMarks "#indieweb is about having your own space on the web - your own domain as your primary identity" http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/463926444532322305)
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tantek bear woohoo! we're only 1 short of the Westside signups!
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bear nice!
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kylewm tantek: did you actually somehow move your address on Google maps? you're on top of Buena Vista park now!
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@Essvari @fdevillamil thanks for the #follow. Following you back as well. Looking forward to twting with you. #RiseUp n #ShineOn #startup #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/463938706923986945)
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tantek kylewm: >:)
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@basecode First step to become a citizen of the #indieweb http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbasecode.de (twitter.com/_/status/463946439107022848)
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brianloveswords tantek: I will very likely be in NYC those dates (no other conferences)
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brianloveswords unsure if will be available 100% of the day (not sure if I have to perform those nights!)
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tantek brianloveswords: would be great to have you both days during the day! that's the most important part
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tantek e.g. from 10am-5pm
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tantek that's when the core work gets done
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brianloveswords tantek: Oh yeah, I can for sure do that.
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tantek if you think you have a 90%+ chance of making those hours - definitely add yourself! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#East
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brianloveswords tantek: As long as we're not offered any absolutely crazy, can't-turn-down-tour-opportunities I will reserve those dates!
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tantek sweet! then RSVP for sure.
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tantek we're almost tied with the Westside RSVPs
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tantek if you add yourself then we'll be tied!
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pauloppenheim kylewm: I'd be interested in a python starter kit, if it were very very bare bones
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pauloppenheim somewhat related, at work i'm writing a wsgi framework / bootstrapping kernel that will be cross-platform and run on Windows Azure
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pauloppenheim unsure if i will be able to open source it, but i will at least have experience with Azure Websites, which have a free tier, and can be deployed to with a git push (hence don't require windows)
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@skry MT @samim: SuperGlue is a easy to run mini-webserver installed in your home: http://superglue.it/ #IndieWeb @dietrich (twitter.com/_/status/463990057322303488)
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 38 minutes ago: notes from your IIW How to join the IndieWeb session archived here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-05-06-iiw-join-indieweb
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kyank !tell aaronpk Looking at setting up my own Webmention.io instance to run alongside my Jekyll blog. Is this still a recommended procedure? Just double-checking you haven’t moved onto a different preferred solution for that scenario.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli kyank: You can take a look at https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ as well – meant to also be self-hostable
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voxpelli would love to get feedback on others experience of hosting it
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kyank Thanks, vaxpelli.
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kyank voxpelli++
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kyank voxpelli: How does it compare to Webmention.io?
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kyank At a glance it looks like a more complete solution. Includes the JavaScript to display mentions, not just a JSON-P endpoint to fetch them.
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kyank I also see it’s Node.js, as opposed to a Sinatra Ruby app.
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voxpelli kyank: yeah, that's the main difference – that it comes out of the box with a javascript to embed the comments
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voxpelli that's the other, kind of silly, reason – that it's built on a stack I'm more familiar with :)
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kyank I understand completely. I’m more comfortable with Ruby myself, but I like how plug-and-play you’ve made it. I might look at contributing equivalent functionality to Webmention.io, and see if I can get it running on Heroku (so others can set it up easliy).
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obenns Hey guys, new here. Heard of TIW at Web Directions 2014 here in Melbourne by @t :)
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kyank Welcome, obenns! I’m a WDC14 newbie, too. :)
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obenns Thanks kyank ! How did you find it ?
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kyank obenns: @t’s talk? It got me fired up enough to rebuild my personal blog, which was a year-dormant WordPress install. I’ve got a Jekyll site up with the imported archives of my WordPress, and I’ve got all the microformats in place on the site. Now I’m working on adding the more dynamic IndieWeb features (mentions, replies, etc.).
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obenns Oh awesome
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obenns Yeah I thought it was really interesting. Haven't done too much myself. im updating my portfolio as we speak. turning it into more of a portal really
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kyank Cool. Well if you have any IndieWeb questions, the people in this channel have been very welcoming to me this week.
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obenns Cool
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obenns Thanks :)
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voxpelli the more questions and experiments the better :)
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aaronpk kyank: good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 34 minutes ago: notes from you IIW IndieAuth session archived here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-05-06-iiw-indieauth
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kyank Hi aaronpk!
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 35 minutes ago: how do you store comments / webmentions? could you expand upon your entry here? http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions
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Loqi aaronpk: kyank left you a message 42 minutes ago: Looking at setting up my own Webmention.io instance to run alongside my Jekyll blog. Is this still a recommended procedure? Just double-checking you haven’t moved onto a different preferred solution for that scenario.
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aaronpk yeah you're more than welcome to run your own webmention.io instance! I'm not sure exactly how easy it is to set up, but happy to help
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kyank Thanks, aaronpk.
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kyank Just wanted to double-check it was still actively used/recommended.
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aaronpk yep. i don't use it on my main site, but I use it on a bunch of other sites, some static some not
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kyank What do you use on your main site?
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aaronpk it has a webmention endpoint built in
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kyank OK
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aaronpk plane! bye for now!
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kyank Bye!
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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@dsearls @starkness @lewisha Closest is http://indiewebcamp.com/ . @KevinMarks (who is here at #IIW) can tell you more. #VRM (twitter.com/_/status/464050335040798721)
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ben_thatmustbeme hi ben
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aaronpk good morning
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barnabywalters morning aaronpk
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aaronpk hope I can at least somewhat participate remotely at IIW today
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dariusdunlap Yeah, aaronpk… Me, too.
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kylewm is it ok for me to add rel=webmention as ‘Hyperlink’ for in the ‘Effect on <a>’ column? http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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kylewm moving this question to #microformats ->
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ben_thatmustbeme morning all
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rascul is not! your clock must be wrong! ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe, actually it just passed noon here
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rascul you must be on the east coast where the cool people like me live
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@benwerd @starkness There's actually a meetup at Mozilla SF tonight! 6:30pm-7:30pm. @dsearls #indieweb #iiw (twitter.com/_/status/464076783818522625)
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@benwerd @starkness Here's a link to the event details: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-07-homebrew-website-club @dsearls @lewisha #indieweb #iiw (twitter.com/_/status/464076976513232898)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/starkness-heres-a-link-to-the-event-details-events2014-05-07-homebrew-website-club-dsearls linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-07-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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benwerd aaronpk: hope you had a good flight
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aaronpk yep! had to get up ridiculously early, but walked right on to the plane when I got to the airport
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benwerd nice
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barnabywalters kylewm: fwiw, I have a human-readable form at my webmention endpoint: http://waterpigs.co.uk/mentions/webmention/
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barnabywalters links to it are still hidden though
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kylewm barnabywalters: hey yours is readable and *functional*, that's even better
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aaronpk oh man tantek is going to hate this
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ???
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aaronpk oh god dammit now I just accidentally closed a whole chrome window and i don't see the "restore tabs" option
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kylewm Ctrl-W very close to Ctrl-Q
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aaronpk ctrl-q prompts me
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aaronpk ctrl-shift-w does not
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aaronpk gives up at computers
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aaronpk this is what I get for 2 hours of sleep
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/05/07/4/ownyourdata linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-03#t1399185262 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/05/07/4/ownyourdata linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-04#t1399218371 (webmention)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/07/1/
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aaronpk I just found *emails* and a *database* of the photos I lost
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ha ha ha
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barnabywalters silo emails and a database
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aaronpk so bad
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rascul do indieweb people often run their own mail servers?
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aaronpk some
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rascul i do mine, i'm just curious
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kbs archives email locally
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rascul archive locally is probably an easier option
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aaronpk should probably add a "who does this" section here http://indiewebcamp.com/email
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rascul i don't really wish mail server management on anybody!
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kbs rascul: :) indeed. I think I find this generally true on *-server management actually -- easier for me to think of online data as a transient place to keep data, and backup everything locally
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rascul well much server stuff isn't nearly as easy to get you blacklisted for a simple config mistake!
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kbs this is true :)
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rascul example: typo a line in main.cf, now you're an open relay and you don't realize it, next thing you know someone used your server for spam and you're blacklisted
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kbs blames allman for writing sendmail on weed ;-)
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kbs at least, I assume he must have!
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rascul i've had a decent amount of experience with mail server stuff thouh, so i'm maybe slightly better off than average joe
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rascul kbs the problem with sendmail is that it exists
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barnabywalters Upcoming might be coming back: http://upcoming.org/
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rascul and in order to properly configure it, you need to dedicate your life and that of your children and grandchildren to understanding the config!
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barnabywalters this could be a perfect opportunity to get a big events platform supporting indieweb RSVPs, login, etc.
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rascul upcoming.org = an event type site?
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rascul "And I'd love to restore the original Upcoming events collected by Archive Team to a permanent archive, hosted at their original URLs."
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rascul i like this guy's thinking
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rascul not that i used or see myself using upcoming.org, but restoring the original URLs makes me happy
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benwerd_ I am very keen for Upcoming to come back. Finally, I can figure out where the SF events are at. Nothing else has worked as well.
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kylewm !tell snarfed if you see bridgy publish errors for me, they were on my end ­ I did not originally have a link to the facebook event in my post
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, weird, it looks like i am posting to indieauth.com/auth correctly but it doesn't return anything
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gRegor` Whoa, that's awesome about upcoming.org
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: can you dump headers too and see what it says?
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aaronpk back in a bit
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ben_thatmustbeme trying now, but i think my curl command must be wrong or something
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Loqi snarfed: kylewm left you a message 11 minutes ago: if you see bridgy publish errors for me, they were on my end ­ I did not originally have a link to the facebook event in my post
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, odd. i run the code from my local machine and I can get everything back fine, must be something with php curl on my host
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snarfed kylewm: no worries!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: this might make you feel better about untangling version control. could be a lot worse. :P http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5634
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ben_thatmustbeme weird. i can definitely use CURL, but with this curl command it just responds blank
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rascul snarfed that repo sounds quite horrible
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kbs snarfed: haha,) emacs :)
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Loqi rofl
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snarfed the 29 years old part is probably one of the key points
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ben_thatmustbeme oh man, that is bad
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ben_thatmustbeme hugs vim
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ben_thatmustbeme kicks php_curl
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ben_thatmustbeme it doesn't want to return anything at all from ssl sites
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aaronpk ah that must mean it's not using a good list of root certs
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ben_thatmustbeme Curl error: SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name 'indieauth.com'
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ben_thatmustbeme looks that way
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aaronpk ooh can we get andy to add h-event markup to events and handle RSVPs via webmention? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/waxpancake/the-return-of-upcomingorg
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to chat with him in portland!
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KevinMarks2 I was thinking the same thing
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aaronpk we have reasonably good demos now
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tantek oh my goodness
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tantek upcoming.org!!!!!
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: depending how important the SSL part is, you should be able to disable the cert check in php_curl
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tantek sniff.
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gRegor` Right, tantek? Exciting.
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gRegor` Good chance to get some indieweb stuff baked into it, too. *crosses fingers*
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tantek is having trouble holding back the tears.
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aaronpk invites andy baio to the next homebrew website club
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gRegor` Dooo eeet.
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER, FALSE);
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` its the bit that is looking to verify their auth and generate a token
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ben_thatmustbeme I suppose its okay to drop
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, I had to use VERIFYHOST instead of VERIFYPEER like docs say to do
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gRegor` Ah. I don't really know the context, so maybe not good advice to drop it. Heh
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gRegor` micropub?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, its my token endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme connecting back to indieauth.com/auth to verify what they sent me is good
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aaronpk prooobably not the best idea to disable that
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gRegor` knows close to zero about micropub, so don't listen to him. :)
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gRegor` reads up on /micropub
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aaronpk gRegor`: try to sign in to ownyourgram.com, it's got a built-in tutorial
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gRegor` Sweet. Will do
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ben_thatmustbeme blah, I have a feeling if I try to complain to my server's tech support they will have no idea what I am talking about
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: you should be able to point your curl client to a root cert to use
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aaronpk it should be this one https://support.comodo.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=119
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ben_thatmustbeme for now that will work. I want to expand to getting tokens from others at some point, and that will be a bit difficult without proper root certs
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aaronpk yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme especially since even curling https://google.com has the same problem
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm guessing they have NO root certs at all
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aaronpk uh wow
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tantek just backed upcoming.org KS
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aaronpk same!
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aaronpk super exciting
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ben_thatmustbeme now it is working for google... weird
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ben_thatmustbeme oh wow, someone pledged $5000 to it
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: might be an Andy Baio sock puppet ;)
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tantek he'd do it just for the lulz
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tantek ;)
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tantek just going to point out, IndieWebCamp 2014 East & West are neck & neck in terms of sign-ups. Let's see who can register more. Bring it! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#Official_Guest_List m/
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gRegor` Updated the stub template so it stands apart from the article a bit more and includes a link to edit the current page: http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
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gRegor` It's also wrapped in a <p> now, so might add some extra whitespace if there are 2+ LF after the {{stub}} on a page.
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gRegor` I can change that if it's a problem
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ben_thatmustbeme now every site i'm on that I link back to my site... i check to see if it has rel=me
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aaronpk ouch. twitter UI doesn't show that I already star'd a tweet, so I click star, and then it gives me an ugly error: "Your account may not be allowed to perform this action."
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caseorganic tantek: andy baio got the domain back from yahoo for upcoming.org http://upcoming.org/
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caseorganic tantek: this doesn't count as a site death - it counts as a site resurrection!
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tantek caseorganic: yes! see logs :)
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tantek aaronpk: https://www.google.com/search?q="Your+account+may+not+be+allowed+to+perform+this+action." :)
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aaronpk blarg
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tantek lol
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ben_thatmustbeme gah! *repeatedly kicks ssl cert*
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@withknown If you're at #iiw today and interested in #indieweb and open source platforms, we'll be doing demos of Known .. http://hello.idno.co/2014/if-youre-at-iiw-today-and-interested-in-indieweb-and (twitter.com/_/status/464119384500228096)
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tantek wait, what was @withknown before?
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tantek "Joined December 2010" - but as what original username?
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tantek scrolls back in the history of https://twitter.com/withknown and sees at least one previous username, and posts from 2010?!? E.g. https://twitter.com/withknown/status/15135141269610496
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@withknown We're building a decentralized social platform using existing open standards like OpenID, oAuth and OStatus, in PHP, under a FOSS license. (twitter.com/_/status/15135141269610496)
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gRegor` idno, tantek?
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gRegor` I took the "hello" subdomain off of http://hello.idno.co/ and it went to withknown.com. If that's what you're asking.
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gRegor` I didn't realize idno was renamed either.
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tantek gRegor`: specifically the twitter identity
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gRegor` Oh, you think benwerd acquired it from someone?
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ben_thatmustbeme no, it looks like they just changed the name
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ben_thatmustbeme was it @idno before (that is a spammer now, could have been one watching for changing handles or something)
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gRegor` Nah, @idno goes back to 2010
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor`, when you change usernames, your history comes with you and i believe all your old messages change. (at least thats my understanding of it)
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gRegor` Oh, good point
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gRegor` Of course. Not sure then. benwerd would know. :)
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ben_thatmustbeme gahhh, i'm getting soo annoyed with this
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm just trying to get php to use this friggen ssl ca cert
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ben_thatmustbeme "Curl error: SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate"
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ben_thatmustbeme is all i keep getting
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benwerd wakes up
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benwerd Known is the startup, Known is the software from here on out. (I'll be adjusting the wiki etc.)
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ben_thatmustbeme still doesn't answer tantek's question
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benwerd oh
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benwerd it was @teamidno
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ben_thatmustbeme aahh
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ben_thatmustbeme don't suppose anyone could help me out with the php_curl / ssl issue before i say screw it and just turn off certificate checking
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tantek is just relieved that benwerd didn't pick a name like "Post"
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benwerd I was thinking about calling it Indie
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benwerd jk
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kylewm benwerd: there shouldn’t be any trademark issues with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_K right? bc totally different industry?
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benwerd kylewm: shouldn't be, but believe me, I'm checking that out
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tantek kylewm: nice one
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kylewm ok good :) I wasn’t sure if folks knew Circle K out here on the west coast
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tantek could be worse, could have called it "Recognized" ®
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ben_thatmustbeme huh. well that might explain some things
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ben_thatmustbeme curl 'https://indieauth.com/'
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ben_thatmustbeme curl: (51) SSL: certificate subject name 'mail.indieweb.org' does not match target host name 'indieauth.com'
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aaronpk wha?
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tantek benwerd ;)®
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ben_thatmustbeme on my local machine i get that issue too, it still runs the curl, but i get that warning
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benwerd tantek: :P :( :'''(
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aaronpk ohhh probably SNI
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aaronpk what version of PHP?
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tantek waits for someone to ship flat file storage based personal publishing solution called "Drop Table"
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aaronpk tantek: !!!!
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ben_thatmustbeme thats not php, thats just curl from CLI
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aaronpk what version of curl?
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ben_thatmustbeme 7.32.0
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aaronpk weird i'm on 7.30.0
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aaronpk os?
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ben_thatmustbeme ubuntu
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gRegor` "Strange things are afoot at the Circle K," kylewm
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aaronpk my ubuntu handles it just fine at version 7.22
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, two gentoo boxes i checked don't have that issue, they are on 7.35 an d7.36
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kylewm “Drop Tables” are also the things that sketchy chiropractors use
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gRegor` benwerd, tantek: Needs less vowels, "Knwn" ;)
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aaronpk drptbl
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ben_thatmustbeme on ubuntu it runs, but they outputs that as an error too
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aaronpk that's super weird, it sounds like your version of curl doesn't support SNI
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gRegor` ndwbcmp
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gRegor` takes it back to #indiechat
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snarfed aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme: http://stackoverflow.com/a/12942331/186123
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@benwerd The sustainable web (and why sustainability is a kind of independence) #indieweb #iiw http://werd.io/2014/the-sustainable-web-and-why-sustainability-is-a-kind-of (twitter.com/_/status/464130968823930880)
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aaronpk snarfed: thanks, let me check if sslv3 is enabled
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ben_thatmustbeme thats what i was just looking at actually
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ben_thatmustbeme looks like the webserver i'm using is compiled against an old version of openssl (0.9.8b)
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk nope sslv3 is not enabled
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aaronpk so that's the problem then
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aaronpk i'm going to need to do instagram's username mapping between silos soon https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/14132817604_9d783cdf0b_o.png
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kylewm that’s something that instagram does?
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aaronpk well instagram does it properly
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aaronpk if you mention an instagram username and also syndicate to twitter, they change the twitter text to the user's twitter name
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snarfed oh nice
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kylewm awesome, I didn’t know that
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snarfed that'd be useful for de-duping
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aaronpk i need to do the same, so my facebook copy mentions people by the proper name instead of their twitter name
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benwerd needs to do that too - trick is actually building that address book glue.
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aaronpk indeed
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benwerd It'd be nice to query peoples' profiles as the canonical source, but for most people that's not going to be possible
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aaronpk hasn't someone built this already? a social account discovery thingy?
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kylewm paging kbs
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aaronpk hehe
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kylewm and voxpelli?
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snarfed yup. used to be google social graph api, now kbs's
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kylewm he mentioned this yesterday https://github.com/voxpelli/relspider
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aaronpk sounds like an opportunity for someone to run this as a service :)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, so is that something you are going to change on indieauth.com or do i need to start busting heads on my hosting provider's end?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: I don't think there's anything I can change
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aaronpk sslv3 doesn't support SNI, my thought was that if I have sslv3 turned on, clients might try to use that first, but turns out that's not what's happening
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voxpelli Rel-spider is built to run as a service like the social graph API
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voxpelli Currently not up on Heroku due to me having to switch addons there + lack of usage
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voxpelli Only thing really missing from it code wise is good recrawling, but wow, that's not an easy one
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kylewm voxpelli: sounds like exactly what is needed for this problem
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kylewm what’s recrawling?
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voxpelli kylewm: if you change/adds/remove eg. a Twitter connection to an Instagram one the index needs to recrawl that to be updated, like what Google does
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, updated curl on my local machine and it fixed it. I just need the server admins to do it on this one
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll just have to get a better service provider next time
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aaronpk eesh that was subtle
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ben_thatmustbeme eh?
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aaronpk the error
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme until then i'm just going to disable certificate checking, so at least i can continue dev
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benwerd kevinmarks rightly points out that the new upcoming.org could be indieweb-compatible, which'd be neat
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aaronpk yeah I am planning on seducing andy
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benwerd going offline to do some demos. aaronpk and others, sorry / not sorry for all the comments I'm about to leave.
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aaronpk yayy
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bear demo spam is the bestest spam
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aaronpk oh good lord how did this happen: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/07/29/1/oauth2-simplified#external_http_blogmobile_itude_com_2014_04_08_checklist-for-building-an-api_
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aaronpk the whole blog post is showing up as the name and i'm not truncating it for some reason
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aaronpk tantek: I thought I followed this to the letter http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display
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aaronpk i guess i'm probably just not truncating the name at the last step
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KevinMarks Aaron surely you can offer Andy something - sync with Facebook events
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KevinMarks Hmm that reminds me, we should pile Simon and Nat about making lanyrd and eventbrite compatible too
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KevinMarks s/pile/poke/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: Hmm that reminds me, we should poke Simon and Nat about making lanyrd and eventbrite compatible too
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aaronpk holy cow upcoming.org is already at $45,000
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caseorganic aaronpk: i funded at the $75 level. it's helped me at least that much in the past
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@kevinmarks @benwerd do we need death planning for websites? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/464140910654017537)
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aaronpk nice
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kylewm upcoming.org relaunch kind of reminds me of Opera & fastmail (where the founders bought the company back from Opera)
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kylewm that is a trend I’d like to see more of!!
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@kevinmarks #iiw watching @benwerd and @erinjo demo @withknown (formerly idno, which I pronounce I dunno) http://withknown.com #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/464143159576915969)
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snarfed kylewm: bebo is another, http://www.bebo.com/#signup2
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: The sustainable web (and why sustainability is a kind of independence) #indieweb #iiw http://werd.io/2014/the-sustainable-web-and-why-sustainability-is-a-kind-of (twitter.com/_/status/464143776487723008)
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ben_thatmustbeme woohoo, it friggen worked!
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't have the micropub endpoint actually DOING anything, but its working to get a key, etc
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi giggles
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ben_thatmustbeme i figure it will force me to set up posting images on my site, and it looks like a good stepping stone to working on my contact entry work which is what i really wanted to get in to
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aaronpk tantek: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/07/1/ thought you might get a kick out of that
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ben_thatmustbeme wonder if i should create a page for my openblog platform, maybe get some others to help out with it
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rascul what is this openblog platform
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ben_thatmustbeme basically i tore apart opencart and i am turning it into a blogging platform
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/dissolve/openblog
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: I like having a page for mine on the wiki
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rascul you turned an ecommerce thing into a blog thing? i find that amusing :)
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rascul is it live anywhere? i would be interested to see it
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ben_thatmustbeme ben.thatmustbe.me is it currently
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ben_thatmustbeme not much to look at really since I have yet to work on templates
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ben_thatmustbeme just ripped of sempress
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: ben.thatmustbe.me/post/2014/4/25/2/openblog_devlopement_still_going##My+decent+into should be descent :)
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rascul interesting
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rascul but you need to make http://indiewebcamp.com/openblog maybe?
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kylewm that ^
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aaronpk or /OpenBlog caps if it's a proper noun
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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ben_thatmustbeme i shall get on that tomorrow
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rascul excellent!
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rascul now i'm going to smoke and let my dog in, then me and my dog will work on my site some more
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rascul well, she'll lay on my bed and watch me while i do all the work
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ben_thatmustbeme extreme coding with your dog watching over your shoulder. oh yeahhh
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rascul she wanted to stay outside, guess i'm on my own
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: got another problem case for mf2py backcompat https://snarfed.org/2014-04-29_9249 … there is an <entry-content> wrapping an <e-content>, which results in two values for e-content
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: see second comment link :)
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KartikPrabhu https://github.com/kartikprabhu/mf2py/issues/7
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KartikPrabhu well known problem...
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snarfed related: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#mixture_of_microformats2_and_classic_microformats_classnames_on_different_elements
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kylewm holy rabbit hole, batman
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KartikPrabhu exactly that kylewm snarfed
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kylewm http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/49541836.jpg
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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KartikPrabhu that was one reason i was holding off on backcompat
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kylewm well, hmm php-mf2 has the same behavior
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KartikPrabhu yeah... i don't think there is a reasonable workaround
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kylewm the backcompat rules add mf2 classes if they don’t already exist on the tag, maybe we need to add them if they don’t already exist on the tag or its children
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KartikPrabhu so check for repeated mf classes on immediate children? if not repeat add on current, if repeat then add on child?
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kylewm the check right now is “add h-entry to hentry’s that don’t already have h-entry”
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KartikPrabhu but what if someone wants to have repeated nested microformats?
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kylewm maybe it should be “add h-entry to hentries that don’t have it and their children don’t have it”
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aaronpk this is now the second time that the design team has accidentally removed the microformats from this blog when doing a redesign
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kylewm like they have <div class=”entry-content”><div class=”entry-content”></div></div> ?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah for some reason...
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KartikPrabhu or <div class="hentry"><div class="hentry"></div> </div>
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: which blog?
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aaronpk our esripdx blog
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kylewm the check i’m proposing would only affect <div class=”hentry”><div class=”h-entry”></div></div>
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: hmm might work... we could try giving that a run in the wild
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kylewm not sure :)
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kylewm because it could really be any descendant, until you hit another h- class
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kylewm more worried about that BS4 bug anyway, thanks snarfed and KartikPrabhu for pointing me to the prior art :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah that bs4 one is annoying... maybe tommorris was right all along to avoid it <sigh>
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kylewm have to admit I’m wondering that too…especially because we’re parsing good HTML, not trying to scrape data out of bad HTML
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: it'll be quite the twist of fate, if we re-fork back to non-bs4 version :P
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@znmeb RT @benwerd: The sustainable web (and why sustainability is a kind of independence) #indieweb #iiw http://werd.io/2014/the-sustainable-web-and-why-sustainability-is-a-kind-of (twitter.com/_/status/464160065604157440)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: fwiw that HTML does not validate:http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsilencematters.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I need to read about it more, but it sounds like BS4 with lxml under the hood might be the best of both worlds
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KartikPrabhu here is a suggestion: we try parsing with 'html5lib' if error then try 'lxml' if error then python's html thingy
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KartikPrabhu and maybe throw warnings so people can debug
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KartikPrabhu moving to HWC-Chicago cc: gregor`!
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KevinMarks Itell KartikPrabhu have you seen errors with html5lib ?
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kylewm hi KevinMarks, the errors seem more to do with BeautifulSoup + html5lib
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KevinMarks :('
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Jeena Hi, I have here one person who is interested in the IndieWeb and he wanted the code for my blog and notes, which sadly isn't open source yet (because of code quality and I have passwords and API keys in the code).
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Jeena What should I suggest he should look into instead?
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Jeena there was idno but it redirects to http://withknown.com/ now, and I'm not sure what it is
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snarfed Jeena: same project, just renamed
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Jeena ah
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snarfed they're starting a startup and (afaik) planning to invest in it and market it more heavily
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emmak Jeena: my blog is opensource https://github.com/notenoughneon/neonblog
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snarfed re picking a server, http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting is a good place to start
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Jeena ah nice, emmak I will send him the link too
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Jeena and ok, I will tell him that too
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Jeena but I think he has a webserver already, he mostly wanted some code to run the notes
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aaronpk microformats restored http://pdx.esri.com/blog/2014/05/06/you-re-invited-to-our-office-warming-party/
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aaronpk also emmak that is relevant to you ^
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aaronpk and bret
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aaronpk and anyone else in portland
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emmak aaronpk: i am planning to attend, thanks!
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi woot
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aaronpk Loqi is coming too
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Loqi woot!
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kylewm Jeena: I think the short answer is, if they want something polished and ready to go, it’s either idno/Known or wordpress
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kylewm if they don’t mind hacking a bit, many more choices
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Jeena Yeah that is kind of what I wrote, and I also wrote that if he wants to try to implement it himself he should visit us here on IRC
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kylewm emmak: feel free to correct me if neonblog is in the ‘ready-for-public-consumption’ category. also love that calico on your site :)
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emmak kylewm: it is still rough around the edges but may be useful for example code
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kylewm can confirm it is useful for example code
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kylewm (as i have used it for such ;))
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KartikPrabhu HWC-Chicago waiting on gregor`
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KartikPrabhu oh oops he was already here...
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brainTrain hey indie web peoples, I've been workin on my personal indiewebz site but it's a good friends birthday today so I'm gonna miss this meeting(I was at the last SF one). I'll keep on lurking here and I'll probably chat a bit more when my site is finally end to end :)
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gRegor` waves
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tantek aaronpk, can you require your design team to run Indiewebify.me's h-entry checker on a known good post and have it pass before deployment? They presumably have other automated tests right?
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@NZN #freedombox session and #indiebox demo at #iiw to reclaim control of #indieweb by #SovereignIndividuals ... the underlying shift in motion.. (twitter.com/_/status/464187436323442688)
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Guest64762 Wondering if I should head up to SF or down to Mountain View right now. Just about to leave San Mateo.
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Guest64762 Baah! This is Darius
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tantek Guest64762: try using /nick Darius
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Guest64762 Nick auth failed while I wasn't paying attention, that's all. Ha ha!
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tantek aaronpk - glad you found some of your photos!
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@benwerd If you're an #iiw participant without your own website, I would love to set you up with your own domain and #indieweb site tomorrow. (twitter.com/_/status/464191044821602304)
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: If you're an #iiw participant without your own website, I would love to set you up with your own domain and #indieweb site tom… (twitter.com/_/status/464191652056137730)
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@kevinmarks @benwerd is this Join The Indieweb part 2? (twitter.com/_/status/464191831895322624)
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@webdirections RT @benwerd: If you're an #iiw participant without your own website, I would love to set you up with your own domain and #indieweb site tom… (twitter.com/_/status/464191878498230272)
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@erinjo RT @benwerd: If you're an #iiw participant without your own website, I would love to set you up with your own domain and #indieweb site tom… (twitter.com/_/status/464192797671559169)