#indiewebcamp 2014-05-11

2014-05-11 UTC
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rascul.io edited /wiki/backup (+202) "tell about rascul's http mirror" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /site-deaths (+168) "/* Site Deaths */ when XKCD are laughing at google..." (view diff)
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@ahmetasabanci Open question to #indieweb people: Does Wordpress' Publicize can be counted as POSSE? (What POSSE is: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE) (twitter.com/_/status/465464192342839296)
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kbs aaronpk: great on the backup :)
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kbs !tell aaronpk backup looks good :) btw, any chance you might also be able to expose an rsync endpoint?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@djp1974 RT @NZN: Support the #indieBox One on #indieGoGo https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indie-box-let-s-bring-our-data-home #indieweb #vrm (twitter.com/_/status/465480973841223680)
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GWG I turned my Facepile theme code into a Wordpress plugin.
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GWG Need to find some testers to comment, as it is a bit rough.
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@kyle_wm @ahmetasabanci definitely! Check out http://indiewebcamp.com/Wordpress#POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/465495472828731393)
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kbs !tell aaronpk another thought (if simpler than opening up rsync) is an http endpoint would also be neat [c.f. rascul and http://indiewiki.rascul.io ]
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@ahmetasabanci RT @kyle_wm: @ahmetasabanci definitely! Check out http://indiewebcamp.com/Wordpress#POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/465503724157169665)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kyle_wm/465495472828731393/465503724157169665 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Wordpress#POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kyle_wm/465495472828731393/465503871586926593 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Wordpress#POSSE (webmention)
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ben_thatmust !tell barnabywalters great, i searched for your site once and now every note pops up in my Google Now cards
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kbs heh
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kbs thought google now has a way to skip/ignore certain cards?
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ben_thatmust well you can swipe them away, and in certain cases you can tell it "No, I don't want to see updates on this any more" but with "updates from sites you read" its all or nothing
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /repost (+303) "/* Silo Examples */ Documented repost.us indieweb-friendly verb silo, linked to example reposting UI" (view diff)
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kbs ben_thatmust: aah, I see. annoying
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ben_thatmust plus I kind of want updates on the articles i don't necessarily want every note
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ben_thatmust google just needs a better management so i could switch it to the articles only stream or something
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rascul.io edited /wiki/backup (+69) "add rsync note to indiewiki mirror" (view diff)
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rascul kbs ^^
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kbs rascul: awesome :)
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kbs I was just updating the same page, let me finish that and take a look to see how I can do my 0.02 a little better
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kbsriram.com edited /wiki/backup (+1646) "add baseline archive on github" (view diff)
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kbs rascul: love you've got both http and rsync endpoints. Would be awesome if there's something similar directly from the source website as well
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rascul heh i was thinking of making a git repo out of it
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kbs prefers to replicate content :)
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rascul wget is stupid easy though!
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kbs yep - wget is basically just as good
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kbs I did notice some small deltas between a diff -r of your site, and what I got from btsync
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rascul oh
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rascul btsync keeps it updated in the background?
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kbs not significant diffs, (basically, index.html files and possibly some btsync-has-not-yet-got-to-it sort of things)
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rascul ahh ok
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kbs I didn't look very closely - just ran diff -r and eyeballed the diffs
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@dshanske Getting Started with the Indieweb - Part 1 https://twitter.com/dshanske/status/465515295420186624/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/465515295420186624)
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kbs is not a huge fan of btsync despite all its niceities
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rascul nginx and rsync are both serving directly from the direcotyr btsync puts it all in
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rascul direcotyr! sounds like a dinosaur
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kbs rascul: very nice :)
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rascul so as long as btsync keeps it updated it should be the latest copy on indiewiki.rascul.io
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kbs right
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rascul but that word should can be tricky
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kbs :-)
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kbs there are a few chains where things can break down - at the moment, it looks like aaronpk is probabbly exporting changes periodically. Then, btsync -> your site etc. I think it's in reasonably good shape all in all
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kbs especially once a few more people have some copies.
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rascul yes more copies is better
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rascul i think aaronpk was making something to change locally and push changes somehow to the wiki? that would be nifty
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kbs heh
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kbs dunno. my thought was really something more dumb - eg: the mysql db fat-finger drops a table, export pumps out a subset of files, btsync updates everyone to a smaller portion of wiki etc. Hoping git ought to take care of it to some extent, especially as it's easy to replicate along with all its snapshots.
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kbs I much rather use your http endpoint because it's easier to script than btsync (and not proprietary, for what that's worth)
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rascul the proprietariness of btsync had me annoyed
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rascul no clue if i spelled that right
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rascul or if i just made up the word
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aaronpk morning
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kbs communicated the idea perfectly
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Loqi aaronpk: kbs left you a message 2 hours, 46 minutes ago: backup looks good :) btw, any chance you might also be able to expose an rsync endpoint?
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Loqi aaronpk: kbs left you a message 1 hour, 21 minutes ago: another thought (if simpler than opening up rsync) is an http endpoint would also be neat [c.f. rascul and http://indiewiki.rascul.io ]
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kbs aaronpk: just starting to set up my random two-bit things to have a copy of your wiki backups - stuff related to that (and, thanks! :)
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aaronpk sweet
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rascul nifty things!
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aaronpk catching up on logs
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@APADivision46 Imagine if the web worked this way! -jlw http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/465517443394596864)
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aaronpk awesome, already 2 copies on significantly different platforms
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aaronpk yeah it's a little annoying btsync is proprietary, but not the end of the world
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aaronpk let me look in to rsync
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kbs (also http would be just fine from my point of view at least. rsync lets it use its internal incremental update thing, but more a nice-to-have rather than anything else)
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kbs has usually found rsync daemons to chew up cpu on the server end
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aaronpk incremental updates are good since there are a bunch of photos
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aaronpk oh yeah good point. well this server isn't exactly at capacity, so i could give it a shot
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rascul not chewing up my server!
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kbs ^^ :) best source of what works best
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kbs wonder if that's because I run --checksum on rsync (don't trust timestamps quite that much)
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rascul maybe
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kbs I can run a test here if you like, one sec...
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rascul i not using --checksum here
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kbs hm, wouldn't the checksum be driven by the client? dunno - testin anyway :) making sure I'm giving the magic options
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rascul oh
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rascul load average just went up to 0.01
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kbs heh
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kbs guess it's not a huge problem
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rascul back down to 0.00!
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bret aaronpk: yeah! have the space and bw
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bret aaronpk: re syncing a copy of the wikii
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rascul sync it!
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aaronpk i should probably do a blog post about my new outlook on backups
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk kbs: i should use --delete on the rsync command when cloning down, right?
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kbs looks up the man page to make sure
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kbs sure
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aaronpk my rsync client seems to be trying SSH, is there a way to force it to use rsync protocol?
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aaronpk ah rsync://
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@moralespsych RT @APADivision46: Imagine if the web worked this way! -jlw http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/465518158141726720)
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kbs hm - http://indiewebcamp.com/backup - 403 for me after redirect to backup/
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aaronpk oh oops i put something in the wrong place
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aaronpk although...
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kbs (not directly related, but fwiw rsync -aP --link-dest=/Volumes/Backup/macbook-home-2014-03-01 /Users/kbs /Volumes/Backup/macbook-home-2014-04-01 is how I have my rsync-based-snaphots set up locally.)
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kbs the scripts just keep rolling through a series of folders with rsync. periodically, offline archive a tarball of one or more of the folders as well. Usually handy to go back after I've accidentally rm -r'ed a folder or two
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bret This messed up :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxMyTwmu_M
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bret aaronpk: are you still going to use btsync?
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aaronpk bret: yeah i'll probably keep both on
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aaronpk cause btsync will get incremental changes immediately
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aaronpk kbs: ok path stuff is fixed
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aaronpk i've never used rsync in rsync protocol mode before. I'm getting what appears to be a directory of the rsync paths i've defined when I try to run it
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kbs aaronpk: paths - great, looks good to me
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aaronpk wait what's this double colon thing
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kbs rsync is particularl obtuse about trailing slashes in paths, etc etc
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aaronpk oh got it
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kbs if I remember, the doublecolons are basically named endpoints you can additionally define in your rsyncd.conf
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aaronpk can't seem to get the password to work
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kbs oh, are you trying to use rsync's own authentication mechanism?
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aaronpk yeah, is there a better way? I don't want to do ssh auth
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aaronpk ...or do i?
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kbs well, would probably ease some of your worries to just try to secure one thing maybe
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kbs also, maybe [if say you're able to chroot your rsync stuff] could leave it open
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aaronpk i guess a no-shell ssh user where i put the password on the wiki could work... but that seems sketchy
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aaronpk but it seems less scary to have relatively public rsync access than try to set up semi-public ssh access
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kbs nods
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kbs only thought then is to see if you are able to jail your rsync process
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aaronpk i don't know how to do that, any pointers?
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kbs oh
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kbs pokes
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kbs running what flavour of linux?
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aaronpk ubuntu
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kbs ok
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aaronpk 12.04
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aaronpk lts
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kbs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot maybe
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rascul chroot isn't secure
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kbs rascul: thoughts on alternatives?
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rascul lxc
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rascul container it if you want something of that sort
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kbs points aaronpk at rascul :)
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kbs but more and more, I'm also starting to think that maybe starting with just an http endpoint might be the least complicated
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rascul yep it's easy peasy :)
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aaronpk or I could run your git script and host a git endpoint
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kbs yep - that would work well too
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kbs some sort of post-export process
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aaronpk ok got rsync set up!
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kbs thanks rascul - I used to stick with chroot jails till now (on freebsd mainly) but lxc looks neat
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rascul https://securityblog.redhat.com/2013/03/27/is-chroot-a-security-feature/
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aaronpk for some reason there are 5 files that it thinks are different every time I run rsync
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aaronpk kbs: does your git script handle deleted files too?
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kbs rascul: nice - good points all.
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aaronpk like deleting them from the git repo?
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kbs aaronpk: it should delete them from the latest commit head, but it will remain in the archive
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aaronpk i thought `git add` only added things
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kbs ah, maybe a bug - let me check
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aaronpk oh git add -u maybe
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aaronpk http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1402776/how-do-i-commit-all-deleted-files-in-git
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kbs git add -A seems to do it for me
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kbs yay, another eye to squish bugs, happy!
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk ok well... considering the pros/cons of git-over-http vs rsync
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aaronpk git-over-http means I don't have to host another daemon and open another port, so in theory is more secure
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aaronpk however it's also more error prone as there is an intermediary step of committing the changes to the git repo first
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aaronpk rather than just serving a pile of txt files
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kbs so considering just serving pile of txt files over http? let the clients archive it as they see fit?
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aaronpk nah I want some sort of incremental thingy
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kbs grins
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Loqi gives aaronpk some sort of incremental thingy
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rascul i want some pie
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aaronpk lol
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rascul damn i guess Loqi doesn't have any
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Loqi gives rascul some pie
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rascul :)
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rascul can you make the wiki update comments into git commit messages? that would be nifty
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aaronpk that's probably overkill, but yes
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kbs I suspect there's always going to be some step after exporting from your mysql db to get something incremental from your 'pile of txt files'
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kbs unless you find think rascul 's idea of wget -rm covers it adequately (ie, timestamps)
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kbs I guess you'll now need to make sure your exports are also preserving timestamps, ah well
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aaronpk actually part of the export is setting the timestamp on the filesystem to the date the page was last edited
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kbs ah, cool
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rascul i noticed the timestamps looked set
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kbs so maybe that's all that's needed to start with
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aaronpk hmm
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rascul you can see them all different here http://indiewiki.rascul.io/
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aaronpk i'd need to publish a directory listing of all the files
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kbs hm, isn't that usually automatically done by the server? Guess that's how ngnix seems to be doing it on rascul's endpoint
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rascul they're set to what btsync got em as
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aaronpk autoindex isn't on by default on nginx
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rascul.io edited /wiki/backup (+2) "forgot the dot at the end of the rsync command" (view diff)
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rascul turn it on in location block
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aaronpk k how's this look? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data/
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kbs testing...
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kbs robots.txt ... [let me see if I can ignore it]
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aaronpk ha
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kbs I should probably put a sleep there to avoid getting it too fast
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kbs hm
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Loqi yea
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kbs Last-modified header missing -- time-stamps turned off
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kbs oh wait - I guess that's just for the index listings
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kbs okay - great - I'll cross-check with the btsync version when it finishes, and update my scripts to pull from this endpoint. [http is easier to manage for me than btsync, so very happy if this works out.]
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kbs I guess what I should do is to an incremental pull mostly, and a full pull every once in a while
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aaronpk i'm adding the URL to the top of each file
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aaronpk just to be explicit
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kbs I have a feeling wget doesn't have a convenient way to remove deleted files
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aaronpk ah crap
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Loqi lolz
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kbs well, besides the brute force way I guess :) *continues to think*
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aaronpk I guess a periodic full-sync would accomplish that
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aaronpk I wonder how long until a full download becomes prohibitive
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kbs right
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aaronpk what wget flags are you using?
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kbs well - this sounds like a client problem too
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kbs wget -e robots=off -np -w 1 -rm https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data
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aaronpk which one is doing the timestamp comparison?
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aaronpk also could you rewrite that with the full name flags? will be easier to look up individual flags that way
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kbs ah, sure - one moment
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kbs (I'm also looking at httrack haven't used it, but seems more specific for this purpose)
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kbs timestamp - -m == --mirror -> equivalent to --recursive --timestamping --level inf
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki/backup (+978) "add notes on multiple methods of archiving" (view diff)
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aaronpk ack too many headers
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GWG I'm trying to figure something out.
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GWG If I took ChromeOS off my Chomebook and installed a full Linux OS, is that de-siloing?
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bret so rad, a whole copy of the wiki in a few mins
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bret GWG: all operating systems are silos
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bret lol jk as long as you can get your stuff in and out of it
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GWG I just got annoyed with IRC on Chrome.
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kbs aaronpk: wget --execute robots=off --no-parent --wait=1 --mirror https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data
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kbs also tryng out httrack
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki/backup (+224) "pros/cons as columns" (view diff)
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aaronpk tahnks!
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bret GWG: what about weechat + https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki/backup (+23) "use full wget flags (thanks kbs!)" (view diff)
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GWG bret: I tried a few things. I may go back. But for now...I switched it to Fedora
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aaronpk kbs: feel free to add a section there for httrack!
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bret GWG: if you can hang with linux desktops, its probrably for the better
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki/backup (+15) "/* Archive Methods */ add <hr> for better visual spacing since headers are so short" (view diff)
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GWG I tried ChromeOS, and may again, as something I didn't mind leaving my house.
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GWG I keep the 'good stuff' at home
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GWG I may be one of the few people who liked the 10-11 inch netbook form factor.
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bret aaronpk: say the wiki blows up. is it easy to restore from the .txt backup? or are these mainly for archival purpose?
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aaronpk bret: yeah super easy
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aaronpk when my site was mediawiki, I had these text files synced locally and I could edit them and it would push the changes back to my site
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aaronpk obviously the edit history doesn't come as part of these text files, but that is ok I think
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bret this makes the wiki so explorable now, i enjoy the new perspective
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aaronpk yeah! side effect is you get an offline copy of the wiki you can read!
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GWG aaronpk: Epub coming next?
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aaronpk ha
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GWG I can read up on my e-reader
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aaronpk a weekly epub with only pages that have changed that week
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GWG The Indieweb Digest
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aaronpk I could totally see that being a thing
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bret it would be interesting to run a dead link check across all articles
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GWG I've been playing around with mailing lists, and thinking about non-instant syndication
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aaronpk you can grep your filesystem for http:// now!
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aaronpk i bet someone could come up with a small shell script to extract all the URLs out of the txt files
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bret GWG: brett slatkin does an every two week best of email: see his footer here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2014/05/dan-gillmor-writes-about-indie-web.html
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aaronpk also mediawiki itself has a pretty thorough API
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aaronpk for example: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/api.php?format=json&action=query&prop=extlinks&titles=Main%20Page
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@mog4 principles - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twitter.com/_/status/465545600738803713)
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kbs hm, some odd diff from the btsync archive and the httrack file. Just me? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c042e708/
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kbs (wiki-archive is the btsync version)
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aaronpk i did just change that file
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kbs oh, okay - great
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aaronpk sorry
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Jeena so it come to this that I am thinking about redesigning my homepage. When I only had a blog there it was a no brainer to only have a list of blog posts there, but now with notes and photos I kind of would like to have them there too.
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aaronpk a composite stream
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/composite_stream
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kbs aaronpk: the image links from https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data/images/ seem to be 404'ing
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aaronpk oh odd
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GWG Jeena: This is Jeena.net?
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Jeena yes
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GWG The question is, what do you want that to look like?
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Jeena I'm really not a fan of the composite stream, it is perhaps ok for a feed but it is so confusing on a homepage
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aaronpk kbs: fixed! was a rogue entry in the nginx config
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kbs aaronpk: cool, one more test here...
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Jeena GWG, that is a really good question and I don't really have an answer to that. This was my attempt on my old website: http://jeenaparadies.net/ which I think is quite ok.
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Jeena and I'm also not a fan of full content on the index page
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aaronpk Jeena: I also don't like full content on my home page! I've always done article summaries
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Jeena and I have to say that http://tantek.com/ is one of the bad examples, there is no structure, just a wall of text with the occasional image and a sidebar
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Jeena http://aaronparecki.com/ at least has visually distinct posts, which makes it so much easier to parse
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GWG Jeena: Tantek claimed when I met him last month he was trying for an 'old' style Twitter vibe.
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Jeena yeah, it is not working ;)
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GWG Jeena: I tried having the Notes a larger font size and different style than the articles. That seemed to work.
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Jeena hm that is a cool idea!
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Jeena even for the pure notes page
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kbs aaronpk: the btsync archive has (for example) newbase60.Conflict.txt, while the http archive has newbase60-2.txt -- kosher?
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GWG Jeena: You can also use subtle shading.
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GWG Jeena: I can't say mine is perfect...still a work in progress, but you are welcome to look.
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kbs aaronpk: oh wait
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aaronpk that's usually due to case-insensitivity on the client
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kbs ah - filesystem case sensitivity strickes again
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kbs nods
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aaronpk i'm trying to avoid it but may have missed some edge cases, will check again
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aaronpk tryign to finish incremental updates
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Jeena GWG what is your domain?
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Loqi your domain is great because it
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aaronpk there we go! you all should see some changes in btsync!
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aaronpk specifically check out the wiki/backup.txt file for the new section at the bottom
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bret yup
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aaronpk sweet, works!
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GWG Jeena: david.shanske.com
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GWG Jeena: I still think the about stinks.
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GWG But you'll see the different styles.
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GWG Although I may tweak them more
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Jeena I kind of get confused that everything is just in one column, but yeah I can see the differences.
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Jeena have you thought about different background colors for different types?
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Jeena hm and what is this for, GWG? <link rel="feed" href="http://david.shanske.com/">
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Jeena Firefox shows it as one of the Feeds when I click on the RSS button
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aaronpk just added the URL at the top of every file, sorry for the full resync
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Jeena and what is the difference between a status and an aside
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kylewm.com edited /Python (+11) "/* Projects */" (view diff)
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GWG Jeena: h-feed, I believe. Some of the markup needs to be fixed.
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Jeena hm I don't think h-feed needs a <link> in the head
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GWG Jeena: You can see the different types in the top menu.
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GWG Jeena: I did a lot of the markup in the wee hours.
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kbs aaronpk: haha - thanks for the heads-up :)
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GWG Jeena: Needs a second look
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Loqi hehe
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Jeena yeah I can see the types but the content seems to be of the same type ;)
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GWG Jeena: As for status vs. aside...they are Wordpress conventions. For me... A status is an aside with a profile picture next to it....
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Jeena lol ok
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Jeena I was just confused about the semantics ^^
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GWG Jeena: The types are something Wordpress calls post formats. They are styling differences.
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GWG Jeena: They aren't post types, precisely.
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GWG Jeena: I have plans for post types, but in the interim, I'm using the format types
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kylewm !tell KartikPrabhu: hey I abstracted/cleaned up the reply-contexts and comment parsing that I use in Red Wind. Take a look if you have a chance :) https://github.com/kylewm/mf2util
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena I see, I like what you did with your website
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Jeena but you need more images ;) http://david.shanske.com/type/image/
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Jeena but nooo! your feed is broken :-( http://david.shanske.com/feed/ the xml declaration should be in the first line
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Jeena wonder if I can subscribe manually
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kbs aaronpk: btsync vs http difference in urls - does it matter? eg: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data/2011/Guest%20List.txt has "http://indiewebcamp.com/2011/Guest_List" -- corresponding btsync file shows "http://indiewebcamp.com/2011/Guest List"
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kbs (http endpoint has "_", while the btsync has " ")
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kbs (I guess these must not actually be the same txt files?)
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aaronpk hm my btsync version shows the underscore version
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aaronpk oh wait wrong file
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kbs the http version has the undercores, the btsync version has spaces
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kbs also saw some txt files have disappeared (yay for git :-) which let me test the deleting things too
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GWG Jeena: It is all Wordpress. I'm working on development. And yes, I know I need more images.
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aaronpk the version on the server has the underscore
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aaronpk i wonder if btsync is using timestamps internally
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aaronpk cause the timestamp didnt' change because I force the timestamp to the last edit date
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GWG Jeena: I have been splitting off pieces of my design into plugins, which means I'm rewriting code, but it isn't visible.
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Jeena sounds like a lot of work ^^
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kbs aaronpk: aah, cool
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kbs aaronpk: looks good to me more or less - remaining niggling things are only the case-sensitivity issues
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kbs but I'll start switching to the http endpoint and update my scripts (also wiki, etc.)
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aaronpk sweet
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GWG Jeena: When I'm done, anyone could use the plugins I'm creating on their sites.
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GWG Jeena: I'm trying to give back
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Jeena I like that
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: kylewm left you a message 19 minutes ago: hey I abstracted/cleaned up the reply-contexts and comment parsing that I use in Red Wind. Take a look if you have a chance :) https://github.com/kylewm/mf2util
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aaronpk it just occurred to me that I should probably include the last modified date in the txt file as well
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aaronpk cause if there are a bunch of copies of this floating around we need to know quickly if one is out of date
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Loqi [mention] http://www.scoop.it/t/peer2politics/p/4021114827/2014/05/11/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (pingback)
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@py3k mf2util - Python Microformats2 utilities pypi: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mf2util/ www: http://indiewebcamp.com/mf2util #python (twitter.com/_/status/465568052097335296)
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kbs aaronpk: can't hurt I guess. (btw, I've settled back to wget - httrack is too convoluted to use, and I hope to do a full pull every so often anyway.)
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk holy hell mediawiki is such a pile of code
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kbs aaronpk: how are you managing passwords via the rsync mechanism? [should I use that rather than http, if you're planning to keep it around?]
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aaronpk kbs: I figured I'd just create an "indieweb" user and put the password on the wiki
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kbs oh, okay :) i'll check there when you've updated it
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kbsriram.com edited /wiki/backup () "(-1478) remove random script blabber" (view diff)
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aaronpk that script was potentially useful, maybe link to a gist of it?
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aaronpk especially if your'e using it
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kbs oh :) sure, I'll put it in a gist. I changed it to start using wget
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kbs but if you're going to enable rsync, I'd rather switch to it as well
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aaronpk still on the fence about rsync
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kbs ah
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aaronpk would like to know how wget works out for you and if you see other advantages to rsync
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kbs gotcha. I think the main thing is that wget doesn't have a good way to disambiguate between wifi login endpoints and other urls it's getting
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aaronpk could switch to https
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aaronpk at least then you'd get a cert warning if you're MITM'd
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kbs oh right - I should have the right certs enabled
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kbs nods
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kbs thanks - yes, that should take care of it nicely
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kbs gotto go here, will let it run over a few days and keep you posted if there are any issues. nice job on backups aaronpk :) hopefully enough copies around, much more safe!
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aaronpk *headdesk* I just wrote a tiny mediawiki skin to return the contents of a wiki page without any wiki sidebar stuff, then realized I could have just run the page through the mf2 parser
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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kbsriram.com edited /wiki/backup (+136) "gist to current version of cron jobs etc." (view diff)
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tbrun I am new to indieweb and am setting up to both own my content and looking forward to installing the components that make this a success. I have my own domain name, I've set up wordpress on a hosted site and have gotten indieauth installed and woking. I trying to figure out how to initiate POSSE for twitter and facebook. So far I haven't found any place that can help me set it up. Any help is appreciated
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GWG tbrun: I use Wordpress. I'll be happy to help.
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KartikPrabhu tburn: welcome. maybe this helps: http://indiewebcamp.com/wordpress#POSSE
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tbrun I installed the jetpack plugin and my second question was going to be: What is the difference btw POSSE and Jetpack? Now I don't need to advertise what a noobe I really am. Thanks
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GWG tbrun: Publicize is a horrible plugin.
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GWG tbrun: There is no configurability in it.
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GWG tbrun: Although it is the only thing that I know that does G+
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tbrun jWell now I have two opinions, what to do? what to do? This might be a stupid question, but what kind of configurability to you want/need and is there a better solution in your mind
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KartikPrabhu tbrun: I think the Jetpack plugin is a decent start to do POSSE. I don't know how configurable it is, but it is used by a lot of people here
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GWG tbrun: I use SNAP - Social Network Auto Poster. People also like Social by Mailchimp.
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GWG KartikPrabhu: You can't configure the output, mostly.
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GWG tbrun: I'm also working on something with Bridgy. Which will work with Wordpress if you have Webmention support
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KartikPrabhu tbrun: yes that is what i suspected, but for people doing it first time Jetpack should be decent
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GWG I got rid of Jetpack because of how much it makes you dependent on Wordpress.com services.
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GWG Most of the plugins inside Jetpack should not need an account.
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GWG It just became too bloated.
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GWG http://wptavern.com/15-plugins-to-get-jetpack-functionality-without-using-jetpack
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GWG I'd do it for the stats.
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GWG But it was easier to go for Google Analytics
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Did you decide if you were coming to NYC?
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KartikPrabhu aah not made solid plans yet
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tbrun GWG: Is SNAP the NextScripts plugin?
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GWG tbrun: Yes
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GWG Disclaimer: The Opinions Expressed by GWG are his own, and not necessarily those of the Indieweb movement.
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GWG I would have moved to Bridgy if it hadn't had Facebook issues snarfed hasn't been able to isolate
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GWG tbrun: What is the site, by the way?
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tbrun GWG: I thought it was just one person's opinion, but thanks for the disclaimer. I'll muck around and see how it goes.
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tbrun GWG: The site is www.tombruning.com. I am just starting out with this so be kind :)
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GWG tbrun: I'm rather opinionated at times.
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GWG tbrun: I'm always interested in other Wordpress users getting into the Indieweb
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tbrun GWG: I'm open to criticism, but obviously the more constructive the better.
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GWG Have you installed the webmention and semantic linkback plugins?
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GWG And signed up for Bridgy to send comments/likes/etc back to your site?
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tbrun GWG: Not yet, but I guess those are the next activities to do. So webmention, semantic linkback and sign up for Bridgy. Is there anything I need to do on my site for bridgy, or is just signing up what I should do?
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GWG Nothing on the site side, other than add webmention support
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GWG Bridgy just takes information from various sites and converts it to webmentions.
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tbrun GWG: I'm off to work on this stuff, Thanks for all your help, I need to deal with Mother's Day now
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GWG Ok
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GWG Have fun
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GWG Still not sure this was the best way to use spam
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GWG http://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/05/11/making-fun-seo-optimization-offers/
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kylewm.com created /mf2util (+320) "since I said this was the URL when registering with pypi, should probably make sure it exists" (view diff)
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Loqi barnabywalters: ben_thatmust left you a message 7 hours, 22 minutes ago: great, i searched for your site once and now every note pops up in my Google Now cards
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barnabywalters ben_thatmust: ha ha really? how do they look? screenshot pls :)
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aaronpk wow turns out we edit a lot of pages in a week
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aaronpk is trying to come up with a weekly summary of wiki changes
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GWG barnabywalters: How do you do that?
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GWG barnabywalters: I want to invade Google Now
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barnabywalters GWG: I don’t really know what google now is
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barnabywalters but presumably *some* record can be made of what it does
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GWG barnabywalters: I forgot...it's limited geographically.
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aaronparecki.com created /this-week-in-the-indieweb (+1050) "Created page with "{{stub}} ---- = Brainstorming = Below is a draft of the auto-generated content from recent changes might look like. This is designed to be syndicated to offline media such a..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk would like feedback on this http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb
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GWG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Now
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aaronpk especially GWG since you mentioned it earlier
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GWG Thinking
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aaronpk planning to generate HTML files that can be pushed out to Kindle for example
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aaronpk cause this would give me a great excuse to use my kindle more :)
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GWG aaronpk: Which generation?
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aaronpk of kindle?
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aaronpk i have the paperwhite
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aaronpk so that one
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GWG I keep thinking of upgrading from the other one
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ben_thatmust GWG, barnabywalters, I'm guessing it works via atom feed which both you and tantek use and I have to have searched for your site in google
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aaronpk it's just going to be basic html, i think it'll work on any
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ben_thatmust barnabywalters, I'll take a screenshot next time it pops up
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barnabywalters ben_thatmust: thanks!
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GWG ben_thatmust: Atom feed or just search index/sitemap?
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ben_thatmust not sure, maybe both
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ben_thatmust i doubt its just a sitemap, it seems to be for only pages i visit not whole sites
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ben_thatmust i could try an make a list of sites i get updated about and we'll see if we can figure it out
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GWG ben_thatmust: The sitemap tells Google about changes to the site.
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GWG So Google knows when to crawl
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ben_thatmust tantek and barnabywalters site's, xkcd.com, and thedailywtf.com all send me updates
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GWG So, you search on Google, Google notes your search history, and when one of the sites pings Google to tell it that it has been updated, using the XML sitemap, it indexes the story and sends it to you.
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GWG I don't think Google is using the RSS
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barnabywalters aaronpk: liking the looks of this week in indieweb
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barnabywalters how about collapsing the edits into a facepile/namepile
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barnabywalters linking to the IRC log of the page creation might also be a nice idea
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barnabywalters so that people can easily see any discussion which prompted the page
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barnabywalters actually I’ve wanted that for a while on page history views
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barnabywalters to just show the last 10-20 IRC statements before an edit
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aaronpk whoa!
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aaronpk good idea but complicated
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aaronpk so I was thinking that the edit comments may actually be useful
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aaronpk but I do like the idea of a facepile too
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aaronpk although images are sometimes finicky in kindle
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GWG Namepile then?
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aaronpk just downloaded a wiki article to my kindle for a test, it looks great!
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aaronpk the awesome thing about kindle is if you send an html attachment to your kindle's email address it turns up looking like a real book
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barnabywalters aaronpk: well, maybe this is a good place to actually set guidelines for what “minor” edits are
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barnabywalters major edits are ones which show up in the roundup, minor ones are ones which get left out
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aaronpk yep! already excluding minor edits
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barnabywalters cool
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aaronpk also this should encourage people to include better edit comments
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aaronpk barnabywalters: do you have a kindle?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: nope — actually I barely even use my iPad anymore
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barnabywalters macbook or nothing :)
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aaronpk heh
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barnabywalters we have a kindle at the office for testing
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barnabywalters it’s our baseline device
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aaronpk well these html files will all be online too
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barnabywalters if it renders on a kindle, it’ll probably work okay anywhere
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aaronpk I do like the kindle for that reason
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aaronpk making the html version of caseorganic's book was a nice throwback to 1990s web development
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aaronpk s/html/kindle
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: making the kindle version of caseorganic's book was a nice throwback to 1990s web development
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barnabywalters ha ha
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barnabywalters how well supported was SVG in the 90s?
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk question: is the time part of the timestamp relevant? i'm thinking just the date may be