#indiewebcamp 2014-05-21

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Loqi [@dangillmor] @scottros yes, IndieWeb is designed for that
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Loqi but still in early stages... @mathewi (http://twtr.io/mXj2DVT8eU)
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@withknown If you want to learn more about the #indieweb, Homebrew Website Club is tomorrow at Mozilla SF: http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club-5 (twitter.com/_/status/468906331177750528)
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aaronpk oh my... I guess I did upload that indieweb ad to youtube
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aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sP4k2nPu7w
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GWG Did you get a takedown notice?
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aaronpk not yet
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tantek dangillmor throwing down: https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/468881813742833665
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@dangillmor @mathewi the more i watch journalists literally hand over what they create to competing third parties, the more dumbfounded i get. (twitter.com/_/status/468881813742833665)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: seems to be the right time to get Gen 2 interest
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that entire thread shows gen 2 interest!
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KartikPrabhu yup!
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KartikPrabhu oh I should have said "active participation" like what Dan Gilmour himself did
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: you think it is preferable to switch to using python-dateutil in mf2util?
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kylewm undecided
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+95) "IndieWeb Ad - SquareSpace Ad Parody" (view diff)
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kylewm i'm a little uncomfortable with fuzzy parsing stuff
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aaronpk like how I called it a parody?
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tantek :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: what fuzzy parsing?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: Also it is 253KB on pip!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: correct me if i'm wrong, but I think dateutil tries to guess the format of the date and works really hard to return SOMETHING. i was hoping i'd be able to cover the mf2 cases without all that
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KartikPrabhu yes. sounds fair. also 253KB! judas priest
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kylewm is that big or small? (♫ i'm new here ♪)
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KartikPrabhu i think that ia huge
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KartikPrabhu mf2py is 7KB
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: I noticed that mf2util returns the HTML as content of the comment and not the text value. Do you "sanitise" before displaying on your site?
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paulmunday.net edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (+69) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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paulmunday.net edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* RSVP */ oops I don't live there anymore" (view diff)
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kylewm kartikprabhu: yes I use Bleach, basically the defaults except it allows images
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snarfed.org edited /WordPress (+123) "/* More building blocks */ reply, like, etc. bookmarklets" (view diff)
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snarfed GWG, pfefferle, acegiak: you all might be interested in https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress
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snarfed (cleaned up from a gist i posted a while back)
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pfefferle snarfed nice! will try it out later!
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pfefferle is it based on the native press-this?
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snarfed pfefferle: definitely
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pfefferle i also experimented with the press-this bookmarklet https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-oexchange
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pfefferle voxpelli what do you think about the changes i’ve done yesterday?
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voxpelli pfefferle: Changes to what? The testpinger? I haven't kept up with the discussion really :)
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pfefferle !tell snarfed I generated a plugin with your js that includes it automatically and adds a ”žtools“ page with all bookmarklet links… will release it on githup later today and will also add you as contributor…
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle have you disabled the reminders on your git account? ;)
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pfefferle voxpelli https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/3
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voxpelli pfefferle: I'm not sure :/ GitHub reminders seems to be a bit buggy :/
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voxpelli pfefferle: Have you asked tantek and sandeep if its okay to include their sites? Or are their sites open source? :)
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pfefferle good point!
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pfefferle tantek are you still around?
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pfefferle !tell sandeepshetty sandeep is it ok for you if we use a testpost of sandeep.io for the webmention testpinger? https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testpinger/commit/1c7dbd0be888f518b038cbbc8d6cc6ffdc56e67c
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@lionzan Beware of social siloes! Go for Online Identity Reclamation #OIR #indiewebcamp - FB Letting You Harass People... http://gizmodo.com/facebooks-letting-you-harass-people-about-their-relatio-1578429317 (twitter.com/_/status/469060470197207041)
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tigerfinch Hey all! Was wondering if anyone had any pointers to a good guide to running your own email server.
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tigerfinch I've been eyeballing this guide using postfix dovecot and mysql https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/postfix2.9.6-dovecot2.0.19-mysql but given the amount of set up needed, was looking for some feedback on what a good setup is
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jonnybarnes what is email
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Loqi Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport http://indiewebcamp.com/email
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jonnybarnes have a look at the handling it yourself section
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Loqi barnabywalters: kylewm left you a message on 5/20 at 2:10pm: I <h1>'ed you here http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4W9KrK/. it was supposed to be a hashtag, I forgot that markdown would change it :)
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tigerfinch jonnybarnes: cheers will take a look
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cweiske the indieweb wiki does not have any howtos for setting up an email server
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tigerfinch cweiske: hmm no, looks like a work in progress. oh well, I enjoy fiddling with this nonsense so will probably just dive in ;)
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@freerange Friendly reminder that we're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club tonight. 18:30 to 19:30 at GFR HQ - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club Come! (twitter.com/_/status/469082537219084288)
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@floehopper RT @freerange: Friendly reminder that we're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club tonight. 18:30 to 19:30 at GFR HQ - http://t.co/1U9Z… (twitter.com/_/status/469083223038111744)
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GWG pfefferle: Did you look at snarfed's thing?
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pfefferle yes, packed it into a plugin
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pfefferle will release it later today
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek what's going on with notifix joining/leaving?
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barnabywalters morning tantek — not sure what notifix is up to
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barnabywalters we could make it leave and ask julien51
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tantek in other news, is anyone at decentralise camp?
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tantek (or know if they have an IRC or Etherpad/)
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tantek I see adactio is there by his IG
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GWG pfefferle: I noticed he hardcoded the category numbers.
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pfefferle ok, haven’t seen that
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pfefferle tantek can we use the html of one of your posts? https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/3#issuecomment-43729881
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GWG https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/press_this.js#L11
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pfefferle GWG oh, you are riight
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GWG That could be a problem
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GWG I suppose you could deliberately set to a high number
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pfefferle i think i remove that part
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GWG I am bookmarking the work. I may see if I want to do the same thing without the category setting.
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GWG Bit behind on some things. Day job keeping me busy
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Loqi snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 6 hours, 10 minutes ago: I generated a plugin with your js that includes it automatically and adds a ”žtools“ page with all bookmarklet links… will release it on githup later today and will also add you as contributor…
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snarfed !tell pfefferle cool!!! thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme yay, i have ownyourgram.com working!
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Loqi yay!
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ben_thatmustbeme just need to fix some minor issues (like linking back and fixing my css (which is being a butt)
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@mapkyca #Indieweb Microformats 2 support for Elgg http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/?p=3105 (twitter.com/_/status/469130704932962304)
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notifix Superfeedr Track Feed for include=indieweb: #Indieweb Microformats 2 support for Elgg
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notifix http://bit.ly/RUmlPu
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /OpenBlog (+57) "/* Current Features */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme i always forget to update the notes on what i changed
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adactio The Indiemark session is about to kick off here at Decentralize Camp in Düsseldorf. Let the games begin!
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barnabywalters adactio: awesome! how has it gone so far?
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tantek !tell pfefferle yes, go ahead and feel free to use http://tantek.com/2014/139/t1/ as an example
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek adactio: awesome!!!
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tantek any chance you could set up a laptop with talky.io?
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tantek e.g. just go to talky.io/indiewebcamp
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adactio https://talky.io/indiemark
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tantek adactio, is anyone else there on IRC? Etherpad?
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adactio http://decentralizecamp.com/stuff
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tantek just got done with my run so I'm a bit messy
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barnabywalters that’s great, thanks adactio
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adactio We lost you, Tantek!
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@silentdan "The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’." http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/469138692872110080)
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michielbdejong tantek: now we see you again, and we have speakers
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yatil.net created /User:Yatil.net (+16) "Created page with "http://yatil.net"" (view diff)
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tantek where did it cut off?
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tantek hi michielbdejong !
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jonnybarnes.net edited /short-domains (+3) "/* short URL domains */ typo in first sentence" (view diff)
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tantek adactio: I've muted myself
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adactio The lag is so bad, I don't think we're going to be able to include you in the discussion. :-(
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tantek no problem - hence why I muted myself. I'll listen
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barnabywalters there
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barnabywalters ’s some great notes in the etherpads
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tantek aaronpk - checkout talky.io/indiemark! they're talking IndieAuth right now!
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aaronpk hi everyone!
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tantek adactio - note that each of those things links to a page with a "Why" section that tells you why
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tantek that's for maciej in particular - who was asking about why microformats
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jonnybarnes.net edited /short-domains (+370) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add example of jmb.so" (view diff)
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tantek barnabywalters, bnvk, indiewebify.me still has that bad CSS problem with cutting off the leftside of the content when you narrow the window :(
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barnabywalters tantek: this weekend I will get bnvk to let me deploy there, and do some re-styling work
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tantek it's seriously embarrassing to have such a fundamental styling error
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tantek when you can't see the content
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+86) "/* Level 1 */ Test your h-entry support" (view diff)
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tantek adactio i.e. if you're one of those backbone.js or angular.js folks - try again
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tantek points for search are all or nothing
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+43) "/* Level 1 */ clarify search requires all the points" (view diff)
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tantek adactio, btw the IndieMark "rings" or axes are inspired by the "RingMark" effort at W3C: http://rng.io/
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aaronpk brb coffee run
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@jkphl Trying to have @t & @chloeweil as remote guests of the #IndieMark session @decentcamp #btconf #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/469143660135985152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/469143660135985152)
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tantek adactio, yes you can use xmpp in h-card
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tantek let me get a URL for you adactio ;)
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tantek rather than have it by "decree"
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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tantek you can use the u-impp property on your links to IM URLs
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tantek which is based on RFC4770
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tantek it's standards all the way down ;)
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tantek adactio ^^^
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@bkastl RT @jkphl: Trying to have @t & @chloeweil as remote guests of the #IndieMark session @decentcamp #btconf #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/469143660135985152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/469144411117715456)
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tantek adactio - reload!
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tantek ok
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tantek adactio: http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/
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tantek lost you again adactio (on talky)
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+64) "Validate your h-card" (view diff)
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tantek I see you adactio
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@jkphl If you want to check your site for embedded microdata (not only microformats2), you may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is +@decentcamp #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/469145802867490816)
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tantek welcome back adactio!
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tantek adactio - pick any two of
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+44) "/* Level 2 */ pick any two of" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+13) "/* Level 2 posts */ implement two or more of" (view diff)
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tantek adactio - note: Notes are not required for that point
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tantek adactio - two or more from that list
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tantek I made it more explicit - reload /IndieMark
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tantek clarified
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adactio Got some links to some code (on github?) for implementing POSSE?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_posts
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tantek adactio - yes - per silo
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tantek e.g. for how to POSSE to Twitter, see /Twitter
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tantek for how to POSSE to Facebook, see /Facebook
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Loqi pfefferle: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 14 minutes ago: cool!!! thanks!
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pfefferle !tell snarfed https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi pfefferle: tantek left you a message 43 minutes ago: yes, go ahead and feel free to use http://tantek.com/2014/139/t1/ as an example
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pfefferle tantek thanks
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tantek.com created /links (+22) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /link (+22) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+60) "/* Level 2 posts */ make notes a SHOULD (not required), and add bookmarks for adactio" (view diff)
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tantek adactio, ok you win. I made "Notes" a SHOULD (rather than a MUST), and added bookmarks (unintentional omission)
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@skddc Having some fun leveling up our IndieMark scores at @decentcamp with @adactio and @michielbdejong. http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (twitter.com/_/status/469148772241801216)
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tantek adactio, you never need a separate JSON representation if you support microformats2 - because the uf2 parser gives you back canonical JSON which you can then serve if you wish.
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tantek adactio, the hack is fine!
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tantek even semi-automatic is fine!
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tantek adactio, tell maciej to get on IRC
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tantek welcome edge226!
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edge226 tantek: hey.
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pfefferle_ voxpelli: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/3
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tantek adactio, webmention does more than pingback now
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aaronpk back!
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tantek adactio, webmention specifies how to do CRUD
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tantek which pingback never did
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tantek so you can *update* comments and *delete* them too via webmention
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Loqi snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 13 minutes ago: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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voxpelli pfefferle: Great! I'll merge it and release a new version later this evening then
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tantek.com edited /JSON (+567) "make it clear separate JSON representation is unnecessary" (view diff)
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binbasti suggestion i just made at decentralize camp: add points/requirement for CORS headers so we can parse all that indie data/markup from client-side js apps
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pfefferle voxpelli: Nice! Thanks
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tantek welcome binbasti!
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binbasti hi!
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tantek binbasti - ooh that's a cool idea! Are you doing this with CORS headers on your own site currently?
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binbasti i'd like to parse people's hcard and throw it in my #remotestorage from js
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binbasti yes, i have cors headers enabled
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tantek awesome, ok let's start documenting this
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binbasti http://sebastian.kip.pe/
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tantek add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, a lot happened since i looked away
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tantek adactio, binbasti, michielbdejong note that IndieMark was inspired by RingMark - a W3C thing
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adactio Sorry about the connection issues. Technology, eh?
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sebastian.kip.pe edited /IRC_People (+55) "Add Sebastian Kippe to user list" (view diff)
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binbasti done
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binbasti will add profile wiki page tomorrow
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tantek binbasti - awesome
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tantek by documenting on your profile wiki page how you support CORS on your own site we can go from there to showing others how to do it!
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adactio I can't believe that point about CORS hasn't come up before—it's a great idea!
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barnabywalters adactio: that’s true! probably because we haven’t had many people building predominantly client-side #indieweb applications yet
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tantek adactio - yeah, no one has needed it so far
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tantek it's an interesting data point about CORS in genearl
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tantek s/genearl/general
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Loqi tantek meant to say: it's an interesting data point about CORS in general
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barnabywalters tantek: temporary fix for indiewebify.me styling problem deployed
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adactio Right. I've got to head out. Thanks for dialling in — much appreciated.
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tantek thanks for hooking us up adactio!
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voxpelli CORS is interesting for static sites as well, like Jekyll, enables much more logic in them
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barnabywalters are there any security issues with CORS?
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barnabywalters e.g. can accept only GET requests from other origins?
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barnabywalters s/can/can I
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: e.g. can I accept only GET requests from other origins?
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barnabywalters http://www.w3.org/TR/cors/#access-control-allow-methods-response-header looks promising
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tantek barnabywalters: hence I'm asking binbasti to document how/what he did on his own site with CORS support to help answer questions.
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kylewm ohhh, I tried to write a mostly client side micropub client and CORS was a real sticking point
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voxpelli barnabywalters: GET requests can still leak eg. stuff shielded by your session cookie and such – so should be used with caution by dynamic server side sites
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tantek voxpelli - perhaps you can document that in an "Issues" section on /CORS ?
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tantek barnabywalters: THANK YOU for deploying that quick styling fix
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tantek on indiewebify
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voxpelli tantek: Perhaps the Unhosted community already have some such list - do you know binbasti?
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tantek that kind of stuff is so important
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barnabywalters tantek: not a problem :)
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tantek people will dismiss something if/when it has such obvious visible bugs - because they figure the rest of it must be of even lower quality
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tantek voxpelli: just virtually met binbasti here in the channel today!
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tantek voxpelli: I was suggestion you just document exactly what you said in IRC - nothing more
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tantek if you have a link to a list of more, then yes, add the link too!
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voxpelli tantek: Yeah, absolutely, just know from hanging out in the Unhosted channel that those guys has spent lots of time working with CORS in all matter of ways
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tantek binbasti, michielbdejong please pass on that those of us not there in person really appreciated the talky connection and the feedback - and have already made changes to IndieMark accordingly
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tantek voxpelli: what's interesting is that until today, no one has brought up CORS in #indiewebcamp in any meaningful / necessary way
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tantek it's not been needed for any real world use-cases that we've come up with
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voxpelli tantek: true, I'll add something about what I pointed out :)
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tantek thank you!
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tantek but binbasti's use-case is a good one - so I'm hoping we get that captured on the wiki and can use it to drive further CORS exploration and implementation / experience
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snarfed pfefferle: i've linked to your plugin from https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress . thanks for making it!
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pfefferle snarfed: i had not that much to do... Thank you for hacking the js!!!
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snarfed aaronpk: just fyi, looks like the ssl cert on might be unhappy. users probably go to http and won't notice, but the webmention endpoint is https, so webmention clients might notice
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snarfed (mine did)
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snarfed aaronpk: …er, the ssl cert on news.indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk oh funny
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aaronpk didn't realize I had an ssl cert there at all
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aaronpk switched the endpoints to http for now
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snarfed sgtm
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aaronpk dietrich: any chance you could send me a photo of one of your wall mount ipads at mozilla?
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tantek !tell adactio, would appreciate your review of the updates to /IndieMark per the DecentralizeCamp session today and your feedback! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&action=historysubmit&diff=9381&oldid=7063
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek oops did I just tell would?
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would what
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Loqi would: tantek left you a message 39 seconds ago: appreciate your review of the updates to /IndieMark per the DecentralizeCamp session today and your feedback! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&action=historysubmit&diff=9381&oldid=7063
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aaronpk hah
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tantek aaronpk - what do you think of the top of http://indiewebcamp.com/JSON (just edited today)
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tantek.com edited /JSON (+23) "link" (view diff)
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aaronpk it's a bit strong, but it works :)
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tantek good morning benwerd!
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KartikPrabhu oo missed quite a bit from this morning!
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tantek it was a busy morning!
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tantek thanks to DecentralizeCamp
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@yatil @adactio @t so, with indieauth not supporting openid, is openid dead? #decentcamp (twitter.com/_/status/469163121555570688)
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@aaronpk @yatil @adactio @t You can use https://indieauth.com/ as your OpenID delegate to sign in to the few... #decentcamp http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/21/1/decentcamp-indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/469164251278368768)
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bret Nothing in the wiki yet…. anyone have experience with amazon cloud drive?
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aaronpk didn't even know that was a thing
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bret been looking for a good alternative to flickr for photo hosting
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bret amazon aws is reliable it seems, so i wonder if amazon cloud drive would be too
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bret 5gb for free
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bret 10 gb for 20 year
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bret they have a photo app for mobile too
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aaronpk huh crazy
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aaronpk must be a fancy web interface on top of s3
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bret that sounds pretty cool actually
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bret I dont trust flickr to not start breaking URLs
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aaronpk they're good about not breaking URLs or APIs in my experience
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aaronpk but they've been swapping their web interface out like crazy
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ben_thatmustbeme very busy morning
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ben_thatmustbeme hey aaronpk, I got my site working with ownyourgram
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tantek nice!
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: awesome!!
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ben_thatmustbeme still have to get it posting the syndication link back, and the CSS needs a lot of work, but i'm stoked anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme ben.thatmustbe.me
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bret aaronpk true! and good on them
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bret thats also part of my problem. their web interface makes my desktop even slow down
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dariusdunlap ben_thatmustbeme: Looks good!
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tantek exciting to have London added to this week's HWC! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club
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tantek and by my clock, London HWC should be starting just about now!
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tantek chrisroos - how's it going?
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chrisroos Hi @tantek. Err, it's pretty empty in here at the moment.
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chrisroos I'm kinda hoping @tommorris is heading over but have no idea whether I'm expecting anyone else or not.
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tommorris chrisroos: oh, damn. I’d forgotten about it.
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tommorris is the other side of zone 1 at the moment.
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chrisroos No problemo. It was all very last minute so I'm not too worried if no one shows tonight.
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bret chrisroos hang in there! PDX has had some small meetings. they are fun in their own way!
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tommorris I’ve been feeling ill for the last week or so - been working at home so I don’t cough all over people.
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chrisroos I'm sorry to hear that, Tom.
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tantek get well soon Tom!
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@voxpelli @pfefferle And we have a new version of the webmention testpinger: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/releases/tag/v0.3.2 Thanks for the pull request! :) (twitter.com/_/status/469171071137378304)
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.3.2 https://www.npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/469171340738838528)
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dietrich aaronpk: sure
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dietrich aaronpk: http://share.eye.fi/s/Wm2fEhhxpjl5qQ744vKVLi91U
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dietrich aaronpk: was in the new space last night for civic hacking!
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dietrich very nice, good spaces for lots of people
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aaronpk oh cool! yeah it's super nice
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/yatil/status/469177810326937601
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@yatil @aaronpk thank you, this makes sense! (twitter.com/_/status/469177810326937601)
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aaronpk dietrich: that's a nice minimal mount! do you know what it is?
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dietrich aaronpk: nope, can ask though
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aaronpk cool thanks! I want to do something similar here
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KevinMarks_ interesting: https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/5/21/introducing_programmatic_builds_on_heroku
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@voxpelli @pfefferle Added an issue for that: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/issues/4 (twitter.com/_/status/469180333469229056)
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notifix Superfeedr Track Feed for include=indieweb: week-278
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notifix http://bit.ly/1lEJflu
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@erinjo @dangillmor Yes! We're sorry to have missed the April IndieWebCamp in SF. @benwerd and I would love to meet w/ you if you're free sometime. (twitter.com/_/status/469183712232349696)
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KevinMarks_ flickr have already broken some URLs
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KevinMarks_ I had to edit the URLs in this post the other day to work again http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/10/tags-and-cognitive-load.html
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KartikPrabhu someone make flicr POSSE for wordpress!
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KevinMarks_ http://photos31.flickr.com/55291032_f1e072ef32_m.jpg went away and I had to switch to https://farm1.staticflickr.com/31/55291032_f1e072ef32_m.jpg
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kodfabrik.se created /CORS (+2129) "Created an initial start of a CORS page" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh the jpg url? crap
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KevinMarks_ so other flickr URLs from that era may die too
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_: do they not provide a "persistent" URL that auto-redirects to whatever backend they happen to be using?
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aaronpk no, that would require a giant mapping of URLs which is the whole reason there are farmN URLs in the first place
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aaronpk the API also will return the raw JPG URLs given a photo ID, which is close
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voxpelli ping tantek binbasti – created a CORS-page now: http://indiewebcamp.com/cors
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KartikPrabhu does not understand the CORS stuff
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KartikPrabhu do browsers not allow domains to fetch data directly from another one?
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: Nope, would be rather nasty if I could fetch your Facebook stream and find out all of your friends private stuff they have shared with you
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voxpelli If I could do that whenever you visit my site I mean
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KartikPrabhu but that is behind some authentication
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: your browser would send the cookie automatically
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KartikPrabhu oh! Isee. I visit your site and it somehow will fetch my FB things... understood
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voxpelli and an even worse case is if you visit my site on your company and I fetch your companies private data of your intranet that only a computer within your office can access – firewalls would be useless then
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KartikPrabhu any legit reason to do this? I mean what do people use CORS for?
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voxpelli if you want to make some kind of API on your site usable from javascript on other peoples websites without them having to route it through a server on their own domain
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voxpelli aaronpk: Thanks for improving it :)
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KartikPrabhu1 voxpelli: for instance: if someone want to retrieve a list of my latest posts using JS on some reader client?
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voxpelli KartiPrabhu: Yeah, for instance
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KartiPrabhu o got it! thanks :)
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voxpelli The Unhosted / remoteStorage communities have been working a lot with CORS API:s to enable self-hosted data storage for indie alternatives to Google Docs and such
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voxpelli with the idea of you bringing your own self-hosted indie storage with you to all of the different apps you use on the web rather than each app having to store your stuff in their own clouds
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dietrich aaronpk: brand is sdock
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aaronpk voxpelli: wouldn't you need to then not use cookie auth for your own site, otherwise you're setting yourself up for that attack that the CORS restrictions prevented ?
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aaronpk dietrich: awesome thanks!
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voxpelli aaronpk: yeah, at least for any of the resources that can leak the fact that there's a session set
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voxpelli as I understand it you can chose to do CORS on just a subset of your site though so one can ensure that those pages aren't session enabled – but a bit risky anyhow
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@andigalpern Tonight I'm co-organizing "Blog Writing Hour" w/ @indiewebcamp. Stop by @mozsf from 5:30-6:30 for quiet writing time. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/469195840246910976)
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andicascadesf oh yay!
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Loqi woot
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andicascadesf I haven’t promoted it much, so figured I should say something today.
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andicascadesf Who is going to be there?
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KevinMarks_ what should I talk about on TWiG today?
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snarfed KevinMarks: kittens
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snarfed everyone loves kittens
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aaronpk i've been in auth-land all week, not sure you want to talk about that tho
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snarfed KevinMarks: you could mention that tumblr, blogger, and wp.com can now do webmentions
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snarfed (via bridgy)
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snarfed not sure if webmention is twig-worthy though
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KevinMarks_ it's on topic for cloud show
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snarfed regardless, i vote kittens instead
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snarfed can't go wrong
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ aha, it works
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tantek KevinMarks: how nerdy can it be?
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snarfed KevinMarks: that's from bridgy? awesome!
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KevinMarks_ I just hooked it ot my blog
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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tantek so bridgy is sending the webmentions? neat!
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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tantek oh boy
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snarfed :P
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tantek so that's twice so far for each link
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tantek KevinMarks: are you editing your blog post?
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KevinMarks_ no
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snarfed could be a bridgy bug
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snarfed repeated webmentions are ok, but not optimal
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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snarfed actually looks like one for one and three for the other
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snarfed now two and three
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snarfed anyway
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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KartiPrabhu hmm this is getting worse it seems
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aaronpk webmention.io should be better about not sending repeated notifications to the channel is all
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KartiPrabhu aaronpk: I noticed that twitter shows "previews" of your POSSEd notes, is that because of twitter cards markup on your site?
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aaronpk yes
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snarfed you can follow KevinMarks's bridgy blogger webmentions here: https://www.brid.gy/blogger/3200930#blogposts
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tantek KevinMarks: re: TWIG - can you bring up that we're still waiting for Google Hangouts to support handling gtalk: and xmpp: URLs per http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication#urls-gtalk
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snarfed aha. aaronpk, webmention.io is actually reporting failure on that webmention that's repeating. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1400705154&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyVQsSCEJsb2dQb3N0IkdodHRwOi8vZXBldXMuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tLzIwMTQvMDQvZnJhZ21lbnRpb25zLWxpbmtpbmctdG8tYW55LXRleHQuaHRtbAw
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aaronpk oh funny!
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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bret lol
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snarfed "Data too long for column 'html' at row 1"
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tantek KevinMarks: in short, the Google Hangouts native iOS/Android apps should support handling "gtalk:" and "xmpp:" URLs
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KartiPrabhu tantek: I feel Google does not intend to support XMPP in Hangouts or do they?
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tantek KartiPrabhu: I don't care what they intend. We should ask for what we want.
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KartiPrabhu fair enough :)
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KartiPrabhu I don't trust Hangouts anyway. Pretty buggy
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KartikPrabhu ok finally the correct nick :P
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bret i dont understand the new hangouts
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bear XMPP was removed from Google Voice but we (the xmpp folks) are hearing about it staying with Hangouts/GMail - but unsure as they are not very opaque in that area
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bear err s/opaque/transparent/
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bret bear, google voice supported xmpp?
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bret never knew that
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bear as a way to do backend calls and stuff - yes
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bear it was leftover from grandcentral
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bret Hoping the dont shut that off
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aaronpk snarfed: ok I made it not store the HTML anymore so the next one should work
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bear grancentral stuff they did
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snarfed aaronpk: cool, thanks. clicking the retry button now.
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snarfed doh, retry button is broken. need to fix that :P it'll retry soon
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aaronpk ha ok
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bear :)
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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snarfed aaronpk: nice. the irc webmentions worked. the ones with fragmentions in the urls are still failing, but that's a different issue. https://www.brid.gy/blogger/3200930#posts
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aaronpk cool. is webmention.io not accepting the URL with the fragmention?
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KevinMarks_ looks like the fragmentions are the porblem
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aaronpk oh...
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aaronpk cause it's not a valid URI
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snarfed log: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1400705891&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyVQsSCEJsb2dQb3N0IkdodHRwOi8vZXBldXMuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tLzIwMTQvMDQvZnJhZ21lbnRpb25zLWxpbmtpbmctdG8tYW55LXRleHQuaHRtbAw
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snarfed ahahahah
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aaronpk so ruby's URI.parse fails
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KevinMarks_ my fault
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KevinMarks_ :(
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aaronpk lol
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tantek KevinMarks: you broke ruby!
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tantek (said in southpark voice)
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snarfed btw, KevinMarks, did the bridgy blogger signup go ok? any hiccoughs?
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KevinMarks_ worked fine, yes
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snarfed great, thanks
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KevinMarks_ (I had to use my old google account, which owns that blog)
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KevinMarks_ it only chose one blog though - my main one
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KevinMarks_ though I have some others there
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aaronpk so... recommendations on how to handle URLs with fragmentions then? if URI parser libraries refuse to parse them...
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snarfed KevinMarks: yeah, i eventually want to let you choose which blog. feel free to chime in on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/136 (if you care)
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aaronpk should I first replace '##' with '#' then parse it? (using the original string when looking for the backlink of course)
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bret aaronpk maybe extract them before parsing?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: afaik the python url parsing lib treats "##some+link" as a fragment named "#some+link" then you can further parse the name to see if it starts with a "#"
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aaronpk the python url parsing lib is conveniently broken then :)
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KartikPrabhu oh really! it should just ignore those?
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KevinMarks_ you could escape the second #
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: confirmed the said behaviour of python urlparse just now.
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shaners Hi everybody. It's been awhile.
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aaronpk waves
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KevinMarks_ hiya
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bret shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 4 karma
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aaronpk shaners: you coming to pdx in june?
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shaners aaronpk: yep
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aaronpk awesome!
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bret woohoo!
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KartikPrabhu who is shaners?
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KartikPrabhu hmm aaronpk how about adding that question to Loqi to return userpage of that user?
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Loqi grins profusely
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shaners I am @veganstraightedge on silos. iamshane.com
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rascul what is pdx?
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KartikPrabhu aah of course hi!
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: definitely. add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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bret KartikPrabhu, shaners helped put on IWC hollywood among other things
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shaners PDX is Portland's airport code. rascul
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rascul oh
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rascul i saw it mentioend and i thought maybe another event that i wasn't aware of! heh
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aaronpk helps distinguish it from all the other portlands
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shaners we lovingly call the city of Portland PDX too. Because it's cool sounding.
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bret pdXtreeme!
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bret HWC:PDX
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KartikPrabhu shaners: the first post I saw was "60s Hindi rock 'n roll" ! :P
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bear @rascul well, in this case, they are using "pdx in june" to be the same as HWC:PDX
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rascul ahh ok
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rascul too many acronyms
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aaronpk IWC:PDX
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shaners what's the H in HWC, bret ?
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bret humble
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bret i mean homebrew
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aaronpk humble indie web club?
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bret i get humble indie bundle confused with homebrew website club sometimes
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rascul now that you said humblw, every time i see hwc i'm gonna think humble website club
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rascul *humble
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bret im just being silly, sorry :p
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KartikPrabhu tantek: East and West are tied again 7-all!
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shaners tantek sold out the the best coast for the least! ;)
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KartikPrabhu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZwT5XJeR0 :P
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nicknotbender !
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tantek is more of a bridge to IWC:East
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@caseorganic Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/469238612895096832)
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@peterboghossian RT @caseorganic: Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/469239420202524672)
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@aaronpk @caseorganic Awesome! Invite them to Homebrew Website Club tonight! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/21/2/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/469238988125896704)
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GWG tantek: I think you are more of an attraction to Indiewebcamp East
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KevinMarks_ I think brid.gy just went down
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KartikPrabhu oh noes!
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KartikPrabhu hmm works for me!
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snarfed looks like maybe just a latency hiccough. monitoring doesn't show anythign wrong, and user pages are loading fine for me
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snarfed e.g. https://www.brid.gy/facebook/724885424
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snarfed i definitely am seeing slow page loads, and a big short-lived latency spike about 15m ago
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snarfed yow, actually, traffic surge
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snarfed someone must have posted it somewhere
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KartikPrabhu is caseorganic showing off bridgy?
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snarfed ah maybe
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nicknotbender she is not
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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snarfed app engine spun up more instances, seems like it's running ok now
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snarfed traffic graph for last 30m: https://snarfed.org/spike.png . y axis is qps
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KevinMarks_ http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html
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JonathanNeal aaronpk: re: fragmentions, what was learned?
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JonathanNeal can the ruby parser be updated or did you have to switch to single hashes.
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shaners JonathanNeal which ruby parser?
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JonathanNeal aaronpk> cool. is webmention.io not accepting the URL with the fragmention?, so ruby's URI.parse fails
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KevinMarks_ now mentioning known too
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KevinMarks_ Leo Laporte: "i want to change my blog to a known stream"
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shaners what does that even mean? KevinMarks_
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tantek KevinMarks mention this: https://twitter.com/orangephoto/status/469170685273579520
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@orangephoto So @ATT Messaging is easily compromised - single letter twitter accounts are being stolen via exploitation of the service - be careful (twitter.com/_/status/469170685273579520)
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tantek note that was retweeted by @x
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KevinMarks_ what?
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tantek also note that https://twitter.com/j has been compromised. It is clearly no longer in the control of Juliette Melton - who was the owner.
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KevinMarks_ what is known?
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tantek details to follow - but please get that on the air
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KevinMarks_ OK
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KartikPrabhu shaners: I think KevinMarks_ is talking about known from http://withknown.com/ :)
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shaners ooooh. Known™, not known.
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tantek summary: if you use AT&T Mobile for your cell service, REMOVE your phone number from your Twitter, Gmail, Facebook, Github etc. profiles
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tantek say for example, you're using your phone's SMS for Two Factor Auth (TFA).
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tantek and ESPECIALLY remove your phone number from any profiles at any financial institutions. This is not a hypothetical.
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tantek KevinMarks ^^^
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KevinMarks_ I explained that you are safe as you don't have a phone number
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GWG KevinMarks_: I have a bunch of phone numbers
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tantek lesson: we can't trust the security of phone numbers
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GWG I don't even know them all
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tantek oh boy, this is a bad coincidence: https://twitter.com/attdeveloper/status/468755313773281280
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@attdeveloper Kicking off our Speech & Messaging APIs #DevLab today in #Boston! http://www.eventbrite.com/e/att-speech-and-messaging-api-developer-workshop-boston-evening-registration-11389599599?aff=eorg https://twitter.com/attdeveloper/status/468755313773281280/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/468755313773281280)
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tantek that's from YESTERDAY
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KartikPrabhu wow! AT&T not doing so hot!
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Jeena and have you all seen http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/05/21/support-a-live-tile-for-your-website-on-windows-and-windows-phone-8-1.aspx which is so meaningless, they could just reuse h-feed (or atom)
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tantek Aaronpk, I was waiting for benwerd to do that :P
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aaronpk i'll let him clean it up :)
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benwerd apologizes :)
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benwerd I will :)
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: looks horrible! just use Atom/RSS if not h-feed
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bear KevinMarks_ - thanks for making it so Leo can mess up my servers ;)
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KevinMarks_ :D
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bear goes to make a sanity backup of leo's personal server
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KevinMarks_ leo is going to try known
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bear yea, I'm listening to twig
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KevinMarks_ bear can help...
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KevinMarks_ hehe
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tantek hah! I have to give props to Path's unsubscribe confirmation page
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kylewm ha Leo Laporte likes "Idno"
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bear KevinMarks_ please ask for him to wait for mysql
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GWG I've seen TWIG. I tuned in after I heard Jeff Jarvis was on it. I had just read What Would Google Do.
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kylewm bear++, cracking me up listening to him and seeing you write at the same time ("I could probably install Mongo, how hard could that be?")
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bear :)
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bear this is why he has his own server
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GWG KevinMarks_: You've guested on there, I think, also.
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GWG Sometimes the podcasts in my car blend together
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tantek bear, that reminds me, I found an OSCon MongoDB coffee mug (actual physical object) while doing some cleaning today. benwerd, you want a MongoDB coffee mug for your work place as a reminder until you finish the port to MySQL?
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tantek maybe I'll bring it to HWC tonight :D
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aaronpk ha there's one of those at my office too
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bear I have about 4 of them in my cabinet
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tantek "mug of shame"
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tantek "drinking your own coffee"
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shaners you need at least two. for replication.
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aaronpk shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 5 karma
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bear shaners++
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.png]]""
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KartikPrabhu bear: are you working on known/idno also?
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bear KartikPrabhu - sadly no - work has me so busy I'm being a bad steward to my current open source projects
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shaners tantek: did you redact something in this screenshot or is that a part of their design?
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shaners http://indiewebcamp.com/images/3/38/2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.png
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bear but if Leo is going to install it … then I will need to get a crash course in case he has questions
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@mathewi Talked on TWiG with @kevinmarks about a couple of fascinating IndieWeb tools, including brid.gy and Fragmentions: http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/469250424470401025)
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tantek just wait for the wiki edit shaners :P
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shaners ok ok
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aaronpk lol someone had fun with that
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tantek aaronpk - my reaction exactly, hence I felt it worth documenting.
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tantek hey look, a silo did something clever!
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tantek that kind of thing
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tantek what the screenshot doesn't capture is that the blue and red segments are actually animated, as if they're lightcycles from a birds eye view
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@manojpallai RT @mathewi: Talked on TWiG with @kevinmarks about a couple of fascinating IndieWeb tools, including brid.gy and Fragmentions: http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/469250907214188544)
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aaronpk oh!
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aaronpk i can make an animated gif
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aaronpk thanks shaners
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shaners 👍
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tantek hey at least it's a hosting provider ;)
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tantek aaronpk - reloading the unsub page restarts the animation
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shaners going for walk
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GWG snarfed: Skimming here...Can you handle the cost of traffic if the audience of TWIG/TWIT/etc jumps onboard?
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KartikPrabhu so much for Google+ not allowing post API to prevent spam! The Python community has been getting tons of advertising spam for "pretty looking tech-savvy ladies"
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KartikPrabhu s/for/from
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tantek well that's a turnabout of sorts, pythons getting tempted by ...
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: so much from Google+ not allowing post API to prevent spam! The Python community has been getting tons of advertising spam from "pretty looking tech-savvy ladies"
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KartikPrabhu WTH myself...
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snarfed GWG: short answer, yes
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snarfed longer answer, traffic spikes don't cost much thanks to cloud computing, etc
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snarfed i appreciate the concern though
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snarfed i accept donations in the form of pull requests!
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tantek nice
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bear snarfed++
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KartikPrabhu snarfed++ on PR donations
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.gif]]""
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aaronpk tantek: for you :) http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.gif
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tantek so good!
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tantek pleased by to add to /Path !
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tantek as in please do so! :)
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snarfed GWG: https://www.brid.gy/about#cost
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kylewm snarfed: is API throttling likely to be the bigger bottleneck if a bunch of people signed up en masse?
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snarfed kylewm: interesting question, but no. total api usage is domainated by the poll-every-15m part, not by new user signups
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snarfed if total # of users jumped by, say, 5x, i'd hit the g+ quota, but fb, tw, and ig should be fine
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snarfed (and i can fix g+ by dropping the poll frequency)
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kylewm i guess pretty simple for twitter at least, 250 requests every 15 minutes means you can support 250 users
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snarfed it uses a few different twitter api call types, in different rate limiting buckets, but it watches for the "rate limited" http response codes and backs off
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snarfed for a little side project, bridgy is maybe a bit overengineered
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snarfed :P
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aaronpk that's awesome
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@t Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469255534307049472)
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tantek well I guess I know what I'm blogging about during tonight's Writing Hour
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@steveklabnik RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469255779879370752)
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@matthewmspace RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469255842336755712)
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tantek (sorry guys, this might blow up)
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@dshaw RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469255955457511424)
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aaronpk oboy
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@bbhoss RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469256008091836416)
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aaronpk holds on to the wiki
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tantek notes that Twitter @Safety have 1) said NOTHING about it on their tweet stream, and 2) have not restored @j. And they've had hours to do so.
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snarfed what else could they possibly have to do?!?
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snarfed (kidding :P)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: have the hackers done things other than lock/delete tweets?
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@yaauie RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469257046517239809)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: financial accounts have been compromised.
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tantek this is not "just" a twitter problem
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tantek it's an AT&T cell service problem
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KartikPrabhu aah so it is pretty bad then
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tantek and ATT is being unresponsive to @j
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KartikPrabhu not surprised by ATT unresponsiveness
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tantek and they've been given HOURS to show ANY progress. Which they have not. So, now it's time to go public and blow this up.
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aaronpk have they tried reporting it to AT&T security?
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tantek aaronpk - AT&T asked for a police report of identity theft
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aaronpk oh jeez
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tantek which police only do … in person (for obvious reasons)
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aaronpk was that through customer service or something tho? seems like getting in touch with the security side would have different results
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@istx25 RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469257572810121216)
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@MCECSpdx Thanks for coming! RT @caseorganic Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb ) (twitter.com/_/status/469257604313935873)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469255955457511424 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469256030770458624 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469255779879370752 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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tantek aaronpk - if you have an email or phone number for "AT&T security" please provide and I'll pass it on
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469256008091836416 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469255842336755712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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tantek also we could start a /ATT page
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tantek with that information
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tantek and note of this incident
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/806757 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469257572810121216 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469257046517239809 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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aaronpk well abuse@att.net might be a good place to start
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469259255028011010 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/2890591 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@GlennF RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469260651336986624)
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@iDGS RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469261042812719104)
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tantek thanks aaronpk - passed it along
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tantek interesting, the icon is gone from @j
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aaronpk 3 tweets?!
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tantek and the background image, which was: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/9697732/1400655620/web
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aaronpk following 1
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tantek and the avatar was: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/469008996796334080/RXBWo1rK_bigger.jpeg
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tantek maybe there are clues to the attacker in those images - so they're now gone
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tantek https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/469008996796334080/RXBWo1rK.jpeg looks like the original avatar upload
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469260651336986624 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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aaronpk nothing useful in the exif http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_images%2F469008996796334080%2FRXBWo1rK.jpeg
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/214557552 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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tantek can google image search the web for other occurances of a JPEG?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469261042812719104 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469261254578556928 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@katelosse @kevinmarks I'm getting dinner then heading over for the indieweb club-- do I need to ping anyone to get in? thx! (twitter.com/_/status/469263357711642624)
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snarfed tantek: yes
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snarfed click on the camera icon in the search box
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aaronpk http://dark-lord-askins.deviantart.com/art/Evil-has-a-face-It-s-furry-161541856
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tantek gotta run
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tantek but if someone could download those jpegs ^^^ and try google image searches on them
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tantek that would be appreciated
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aaronpk found it on deviantart
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tantek heck, if the attacker was dumb enough to use them on other profiles...
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tantek attacker's identifier was "swag727"
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aaronpk found a few other profiles with that image
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tantek I just got a pop-up @-mention notification from @KevinMarks!
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tantek (on my twitter.com/t profile page in a web browser)
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aaronpk oh yeah saw that the other day! they're really facebooking it up
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@benpop RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469265264681709568)
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aaronpk alright i've got a whole host of URLs with that profile image
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@Renegal RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469265722326384640)
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@benwerd RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twitter.com/_/status/469266513589837825)