#indiewebcamp 2014-05-21

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Loqi
[@dangillmor] @scottros yes, IndieWeb is designed for that
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Loqi
but still in early stages... @mathewi (http://twtr.io/mXj2DVT8eU)
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@withknown
If you want to learn more about the #indieweb, Homebrew Website Club is tomorrow at Mozilla SF: http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club-5
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aaronpk
oh my... I guess I did upload that indieweb ad to youtube
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GWG
Did you get a takedown notice?
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aaronpk
not yet
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@dangillmor
@mathewi the more i watch journalists literally hand over what they create to competing third parties, the more dumbfounded i get.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: seems to be the right time to get Gen 2 interest
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: that entire thread shows gen 2 interest!
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KartikPrabhu
oh I should have said "active participation" like what Dan Gilmour himself did
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: you think it is preferable to switch to using python-dateutil in mf2util?
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kylewm
undecided
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tantek.com
edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+95) "IndieWeb Ad - SquareSpace Ad Parody"
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kylewm
i'm a little uncomfortable with fuzzy parsing stuff
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aaronpk
like how I called it a parody?
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: what fuzzy parsing?
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: Also it is 253KB on pip!
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: correct me if i'm wrong, but I think dateutil tries to guess the format of the date and works really hard to return SOMETHING. i was hoping i'd be able to cover the mf2 cases without all that
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KartikPrabhu
yes. sounds fair. also 253KB! judas priest
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kylewm
is that big or small? (♫ i'm new here ♪)
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KartikPrabhu
i think that ia huge
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KartikPrabhu
mf2py is 7KB
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: I noticed that mf2util returns the HTML as content of the comment and not the text value. Do you "sanitise" before displaying on your site?
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paulmunday.net
edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* RSVP */ oops I don't live there anymore"
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kylewm
kartikprabhu: yes I use Bleach, basically the defaults except it allows images
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snarfed.org
edited /WordPress (+123) "/* More building blocks */ reply, like, etc. bookmarklets"
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snarfed
GWG, pfefferle, acegiak: you all might be interested in https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress
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snarfed
(cleaned up from a gist i posted a while back)
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pfefferle
snarfed nice! will try it out later!
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pfefferle
is it based on the native press-this?
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snarfed
pfefferle: definitely
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pfefferle
i also experimented with the press-this bookmarklet https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-oexchange
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pfefferle
voxpelli what do you think about the changes i’ve done yesterday?
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Changes to what? The testpinger? I haven't kept up with the discussion really :)
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pfefferle
!tell snarfed I generated a plugin with your js that includes it automatically and adds a ”žtools“ page with all bookmarklet links… will release it on githup later today and will also add you as contributor…
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle
have you disabled the reminders on your git account? ;)
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voxpelli
pfefferle: I'm not sure :/ GitHub reminders seems to be a bit buggy :/
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Have you asked tantek and sandeep if its okay to include their sites? Or are their sites open source? :)
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pfefferle
good point!
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pfefferle
tantek are you still around?
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pfefferle
!tell sandeepshetty sandeep is it ok for you if we use a testpost of sandeep.io for the webmention testpinger? https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testpinger/commit/1c7dbd0be888f518b038cbbc8d6cc6ffdc56e67c
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@lionzan
Beware of social siloes! Go for Online Identity Reclamation #OIR #indiewebcamp - FB Letting You Harass People... http://gizmodo.com/facebooks-letting-you-harass-people-about-their-relatio-1578429317
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tigerfinch
Hey all! Was wondering if anyone had any pointers to a good guide to running your own email server.
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tigerfinch
I've been eyeballing this guide using postfix dovecot and mysql https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/postfix2.9.6-dovecot2.0.19-mysql but given the amount of set up needed, was looking for some feedback on what a good setup is
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jonnybarnes
what is email
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Loqi
Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport http://indiewebcamp.com/email
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jonnybarnes
have a look at the handling it yourself section
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Loqi
barnabywalters: kylewm left you a message on 5/20 at 2:10pm: I <h1>'ed you here http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4W9KrK/. it was supposed to be a hashtag, I forgot that markdown would change it :)
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tigerfinch
jonnybarnes: cheers will take a look
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cweiske
the indieweb wiki does not have any howtos for setting up an email server
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tigerfinch
cweiske: hmm no, looks like a work in progress. oh well, I enjoy fiddling with this nonsense so will probably just dive in ;)
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@freerange
Friendly reminder that we're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club tonight. 18:30 to 19:30 at GFR HQ - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club Come!
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@floehopper
RT @freerange: Friendly reminder that we're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club tonight. 18:30 to 19:30 at GFR HQ - http://t.co/1U9Z…
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GWG
pfefferle: Did you look at snarfed's thing?
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pfefferle
yes, packed it into a plugin
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pfefferle
will release it later today
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
what's going on with notifix joining/leaving?
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barnabywalters
morning tantek — not sure what notifix is up to
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barnabywalters
we could make it leave and ask julien51
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tantek
in other news, is anyone at decentralise camp?
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tantek
(or know if they have an IRC or Etherpad/)
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tantek
I see adactio is there by his IG
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GWG
pfefferle: I noticed he hardcoded the category numbers.
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pfefferle
ok, haven’t seen that
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pfefferle
GWG oh, you are riight
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GWG
That could be a problem
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GWG
I suppose you could deliberately set to a high number
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pfefferle
i think i remove that part
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GWG
I am bookmarking the work. I may see if I want to do the same thing without the category setting.
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GWG
Bit behind on some things. Day job keeping me busy
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Loqi
snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 6 hours, 10 minutes ago: I generated a plugin with your js that includes it automatically and adds a ”žtools“ page with all bookmarklet links… will release it on githup later today and will also add you as contributor…
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snarfed
!tell pfefferle cool!!! thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
yay, i have ownyourgram.com working!
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Loqi
yay!
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ben_thatmustbeme
just need to fix some minor issues (like linking back and fixing my css (which is being a butt)
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@mapkyca
#Indieweb Microformats 2 support for Elgg http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/?p=3105
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notifix
Superfeedr Track Feed for include=indieweb: #Indieweb Microformats 2 support for Elgg
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /OpenBlog (+57) "/* Current Features */"
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ben_thatmustbeme
i always forget to update the notes on what i changed
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adactio
The Indiemark session is about to kick off here at Decentralize Camp in Düsseldorf. Let the games begin!
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barnabywalters
adactio: awesome! how has it gone so far?
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tantek
!tell pfefferle yes, go ahead and feel free to use http://tantek.com/2014/139/t1/ as an example
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
adactio: awesome!!!
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tantek
any chance you could set up a laptop with talky.io?
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tantek
e.g. just go to talky.io/indiewebcamp
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tantek
adactio, is anyone else there on IRC? Etherpad?
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tantek
just got done with my run so I'm a bit messy
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barnabywalters
that’s great, thanks adactio
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adactio
We lost you, Tantek!
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@silentdan
"The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’." http://indiewebcamp.com/
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michielbdejong
tantek: now we see you again, and we have speakers
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yatil.net
created /User:Yatil.net (+16) "Created page with "http://yatil.net""
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tantek
where did it cut off?
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tantek
hi michielbdejong !
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /short-domains (+3) "/* short URL domains */ typo in first sentence"
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tantek
adactio: I've muted myself
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adactio
The lag is so bad, I don't think we're going to be able to include you in the discussion. :-(
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tantek
no problem - hence why I muted myself. I'll listen
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barnabywalters
’s some great notes in the etherpads
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tantek
aaronpk - checkout talky.io/indiemark! they're talking IndieAuth right now!
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aaronpk
hi everyone!
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tantek
adactio - note that each of those things links to a page with a "Why" section that tells you why
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tantek
that's for maciej in particular - who was asking about why microformats
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /short-domains (+370) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add example of jmb.so"
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tantek
barnabywalters, bnvk, indiewebify.me still has that bad CSS problem with cutting off the leftside of the content when you narrow the window :(
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barnabywalters
tantek: this weekend I will get bnvk to let me deploy there, and do some re-styling work
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tantek
it's seriously embarrassing to have such a fundamental styling error
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tantek
when you can't see the content
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+86) "/* Level 1 */ Test your h-entry support"
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tantek
adactio i.e. if you're one of those backbone.js or angular.js folks - try again
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tantek
points for search are all or nothing
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+43) "/* Level 1 */ clarify search requires all the points"
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tantek
adactio, btw the IndieMark "rings" or axes are inspired by the "RingMark" effort at W3C: http://rng.io/
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aaronpk
brb coffee run
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@jkphl
Trying to have @t & @chloeweil as remote guests of the #IndieMark session @decentcamp #btconf #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/469143660135985152/photo/1
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tantek
adactio, yes you can use xmpp in h-card
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tantek
let me get a URL for you adactio ;)
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tantek
rather than have it by "decree"
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tantek
you can use the u-impp property on your links to IM URLs
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tantek
which is based on RFC4770
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tantek
it's standards all the way down ;)
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tantek
adactio ^^^
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@bkastl
RT @jkphl: Trying to have @t & @chloeweil as remote guests of the #IndieMark session @decentcamp #btconf #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/469143660135985152/photo/1
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tantek
adactio - reload!
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tantek
lost you again adactio (on talky)
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+64) "Validate your h-card"
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tantek
I see you adactio
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@jkphl
If you want to check your site for embedded microdata (not only microformats2), you may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is +@decentcamp #indieweb
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tantek
welcome back adactio!
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tantek
adactio - pick any two of
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+44) "/* Level 2 */ pick any two of"
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+13) "/* Level 2 posts */ implement two or more of"
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tantek
adactio - note: Notes are not required for that point
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tantek
adactio - two or more from that list
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tantek
I made it more explicit - reload /IndieMark
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tantek
clarified
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adactio
Got some links to some code (on github?) for implementing POSSE?
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tantek
adactio - yes - per silo
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tantek
e.g. for how to POSSE to Twitter, see /Twitter
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tantek
for how to POSSE to Facebook, see /Facebook
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Loqi
pfefferle: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 14 minutes ago: cool!!! thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
pfefferle: tantek left you a message 43 minutes ago: yes, go ahead and feel free to use http://tantek.com/2014/139/t1/ as an example
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pfefferle
tantek thanks
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tantek.com
created /links (+22) "r"
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tantek.com
created /link (+22) "r"
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+60) "/* Level 2 posts */ make notes a SHOULD (not required), and add bookmarks for adactio"
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tantek
adactio, ok you win. I made "Notes" a SHOULD (rather than a MUST), and added bookmarks (unintentional omission)
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@skddc
Having some fun leveling up our IndieMark scores at @decentcamp with @adactio and @michielbdejong. http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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tantek
adactio, you never need a separate JSON representation if you support microformats2 - because the uf2 parser gives you back canonical JSON which you can then serve if you wish.
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tantek
adactio, the hack is fine!
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tantek
even semi-automatic is fine!
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tantek
adactio, tell maciej to get on IRC
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tantek
welcome edge226!
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edge226
tantek: hey.
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tantek
adactio, webmention does more than pingback now
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tantek
adactio, webmention specifies how to do CRUD
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tantek
which pingback never did
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tantek
so you can *update* comments and *delete* them too via webmention
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Loqi
snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 13 minutes ago: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Great! I'll merge it and release a new version later this evening then
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tantek.com
edited /JSON (+567) "make it clear separate JSON representation is unnecessary"
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binbasti
suggestion i just made at decentralize camp: add points/requirement for CORS headers so we can parse all that indie data/markup from client-side js apps
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pfefferle
voxpelli: Nice! Thanks
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tantek
welcome binbasti!
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tantek
binbasti - ooh that's a cool idea! Are you doing this with CORS headers on your own site currently?
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binbasti
i'd like to parse people's hcard and throw it in my #remotestorage from js
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binbasti
yes, i have cors headers enabled
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tantek
awesome, ok let's start documenting this
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow, a lot happened since i looked away
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tantek
adactio, binbasti, michielbdejong note that IndieMark was inspired by RingMark - a W3C thing
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adactio
Sorry about the connection issues. Technology, eh?
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sebastian.kip.pe
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binbasti
will add profile wiki page tomorrow
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tantek
binbasti - awesome
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tantek
by documenting on your profile wiki page how you support CORS on your own site we can go from there to showing others how to do it!
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adactio
I can't believe that point about CORS hasn't come up before—it's a great idea!
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barnabywalters
adactio: that’s true! probably because we haven’t had many people building predominantly client-side #indieweb applications yet
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tantek
adactio - yeah, no one has needed it so far
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tantek
it's an interesting data point about CORS in genearl
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tantek
s/genearl/general
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: it's an interesting data point about CORS in general
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barnabywalters
tantek: temporary fix for indiewebify.me styling problem deployed
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adactio
Right. I've got to head out. Thanks for dialling in — much appreciated.
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tantek
thanks for hooking us up adactio!
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voxpelli
CORS is interesting for static sites as well, like Jekyll, enables much more logic in them
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barnabywalters
are there any security issues with CORS?
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barnabywalters
e.g. can accept only GET requests from other origins?
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barnabywalters
s/can/can I
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: e.g. can I accept only GET requests from other origins?
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tantek
barnabywalters: hence I'm asking binbasti to document how/what he did on his own site with CORS support to help answer questions.
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kylewm
ohhh, I tried to write a mostly client side micropub client and CORS was a real sticking point
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voxpelli
barnabywalters: GET requests can still leak eg. stuff shielded by your session cookie and such – so should be used with caution by dynamic server side sites
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tantek
voxpelli - perhaps you can document that in an "Issues" section on /CORS ?
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tantek
barnabywalters: THANK YOU for deploying that quick styling fix
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tantek
on indiewebify
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voxpelli
tantek: Perhaps the Unhosted community already have some such list - do you know binbasti?
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tantek
that kind of stuff is so important
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barnabywalters
tantek: not a problem :)
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tantek
people will dismiss something if/when it has such obvious visible bugs - because they figure the rest of it must be of even lower quality
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tantek
voxpelli: just virtually met binbasti here in the channel today!
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tantek
voxpelli: I was suggestion you just document exactly what you said in IRC - nothing more
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tantek
if you have a link to a list of more, then yes, add the link too!
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voxpelli
tantek: Yeah, absolutely, just know from hanging out in the Unhosted channel that those guys has spent lots of time working with CORS in all matter of ways
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tantek
binbasti, michielbdejong please pass on that those of us not there in person really appreciated the talky connection and the feedback - and have already made changes to IndieMark accordingly
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tantek
voxpelli: what's interesting is that until today, no one has brought up CORS in #indiewebcamp in any meaningful / necessary way
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tantek
it's not been needed for any real world use-cases that we've come up with
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voxpelli
tantek: true, I'll add something about what I pointed out :)
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tantek
thank you!
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tantek
but binbasti's use-case is a good one - so I'm hoping we get that captured on the wiki and can use it to drive further CORS exploration and implementation / experience
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snarfed
pfefferle: i've linked to your plugin from https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress . thanks for making it!
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pfefferle
snarfed: i had not that much to do... Thank you for hacking the js!!!
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snarfed
aaronpk: just fyi, looks like the ssl cert on might be unhappy. users probably go to http and won't notice, but the webmention endpoint is https, so webmention clients might notice
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snarfed
(mine did)
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snarfed
aaronpk: …er, the ssl cert on news.indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk
oh funny
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aaronpk
didn't realize I had an ssl cert there at all
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aaronpk
switched the endpoints to http for now
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aaronpk
dietrich: any chance you could send me a photo of one of your wall mount ipads at mozilla?
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tantek
!tell adactio, would appreciate your review of the updates to /IndieMark per the DecentralizeCamp session today and your feedback! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&action=historysubmit&diff=9381&oldid=7063
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
oops did I just tell would?
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would
what
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Loqi
would: tantek left you a message 39 seconds ago: appreciate your review of the updates to /IndieMark per the DecentralizeCamp session today and your feedback! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&action=historysubmit&diff=9381&oldid=7063
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tantek
aaronpk - what do you think of the top of http://indiewebcamp.com/JSON (just edited today)
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tantek.com
edited /JSON (+23) "link"
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aaronpk
it's a bit strong, but it works :)
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tantek
good morning benwerd!
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KartikPrabhu
oo missed quite a bit from this morning!
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tantek
it was a busy morning!
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tantek
thanks to DecentralizeCamp
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@yatil
@adactio @t so, with indieauth not supporting openid, is openid dead? #decentcamp
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bret
Nothing in the wiki yet…. anyone have experience with amazon cloud drive?
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aaronpk
didn't even know that was a thing
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bret
been looking for a good alternative to flickr for photo hosting
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bret
amazon aws is reliable it seems, so i wonder if amazon cloud drive would be too
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bret
5gb for free
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bret
10 gb for 20 year
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bret
they have a photo app for mobile too
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aaronpk
huh crazy
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aaronpk
must be a fancy web interface on top of s3
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bret
that sounds pretty cool actually
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bret
I dont trust flickr to not start breaking URLs
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aaronpk
they're good about not breaking URLs or APIs in my experience
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aaronpk
but they've been swapping their web interface out like crazy
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ben_thatmustbeme
very busy morning
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey aaronpk, I got my site working with ownyourgram
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tantek
nice!
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: awesome!!
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ben_thatmustbeme
still have to get it posting the syndication link back, and the CSS needs a lot of work, but i'm stoked anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme
ben.thatmustbe.me
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bret
aaronpk true! and good on them
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bret
thats also part of my problem. their web interface makes my desktop even slow down
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dariusdunlap
ben_thatmustbeme: Looks good!
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tantek
exciting to have London added to this week's HWC! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club
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tantek
and by my clock, London HWC should be starting just about now!
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tantek
chrisroos - how's it going?
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chrisroos
Hi @tantek. Err, it's pretty empty in here at the moment.
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chrisroos
I'm kinda hoping @tommorris is heading over but have no idea whether I'm expecting anyone else or not.
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tommorris
chrisroos: oh, damn. I’d forgotten about it.
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tommorris
is the other side of zone 1 at the moment.
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chrisroos
No problemo. It was all very last minute so I'm not too worried if no one shows tonight.
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bret
chrisroos hang in there! PDX has had some small meetings. they are fun in their own way!
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tommorris
I’ve been feeling ill for the last week or so - been working at home so I don’t cough all over people.
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chrisroos
I'm sorry to hear that, Tom.
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tantek
get well soon Tom!
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@voxpelli
@pfefferle And we have a new version of the webmention testpinger: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/releases/tag/v0.3.2 Thanks for the pull request! :)
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@npm_tweets
webmention-testpinger 0.3.2 https://www.npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup
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dietrich
aaronpk: sure
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dietrich
aaronpk: was in the new space last night for civic hacking!
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dietrich
very nice, good spaces for lots of people
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aaronpk
oh cool! yeah it's super nice
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@yatil
@aaronpk thank you, this makes sense!
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aaronpk
dietrich: that's a nice minimal mount! do you know what it is?
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dietrich
aaronpk: nope, can ask though
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aaronpk
cool thanks! I want to do something similar here
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notifix
Superfeedr Track Feed for include=indieweb: week-278
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@erinjo
@dangillmor Yes! We're sorry to have missed the April IndieWebCamp in SF. @benwerd and I would love to meet w/ you if you're free sometime.
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KevinMarks_
flickr have already broken some URLs
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KevinMarks_
I had to edit the URLs in this post the other day to work again http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/10/tags-and-cognitive-load.html
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KartikPrabhu
someone make flicr POSSE for wordpress!
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kodfabrik.se
created /CORS (+2129) "Created an initial start of a CORS page"
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aaronpk
oh the jpg url? crap
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KevinMarks_
so other flickr URLs from that era may die too
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks_: do they not provide a "persistent" URL that auto-redirects to whatever backend they happen to be using?
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aaronpk
no, that would require a giant mapping of URLs which is the whole reason there are farmN URLs in the first place
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aaronpk
the API also will return the raw JPG URLs given a photo ID, which is close
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voxpelli
ping tantek binbasti – created a CORS-page now: http://indiewebcamp.com/cors
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created /cors (+17) "r"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /CORS (+1) "e.g. not eg."
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KartikPrabhu
does not understand the CORS stuff
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KartikPrabhu
do browsers not allow domains to fetch data directly from another one?
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: Nope, would be rather nasty if I could fetch your Facebook stream and find out all of your friends private stuff they have shared with you
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aaronparecki.com
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voxpelli
If I could do that whenever you visit my site I mean
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KartikPrabhu
but that is behind some authentication
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: your browser would send the cookie automatically
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KartikPrabhu
oh! Isee. I visit your site and it somehow will fetch my FB things... understood
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voxpelli
and an even worse case is if you visit my site on your company and I fetch your companies private data of your intranet that only a computer within your office can access – firewalls would be useless then
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KartikPrabhu
any legit reason to do this? I mean what do people use CORS for?
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voxpelli
if you want to make some kind of API on your site usable from javascript on other peoples websites without them having to route it through a server on their own domain
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voxpelli
aaronpk: Thanks for improving it :)
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KartikPrabhu1
voxpelli: for instance: if someone want to retrieve a list of my latest posts using JS on some reader client?
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voxpelli
KartiPrabhu: Yeah, for instance
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KartiPrabhu
o got it! thanks :)
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voxpelli
The Unhosted / remoteStorage communities have been working a lot with CORS API:s to enable self-hosted data storage for indie alternatives to Google Docs and such
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voxpelli
with the idea of you bringing your own self-hosted indie storage with you to all of the different apps you use on the web rather than each app having to store your stuff in their own clouds
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dietrich
aaronpk: brand is sdock
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aaronpk
voxpelli: wouldn't you need to then not use cookie auth for your own site, otherwise you're setting yourself up for that attack that the CORS restrictions prevented ?
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aaronpk
dietrich: awesome thanks!
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voxpelli
aaronpk: yeah, at least for any of the resources that can leak the fact that there's a session set
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voxpelli
as I understand it you can chose to do CORS on just a subset of your site though so one can ensure that those pages aren't session enabled – but a bit risky anyhow
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@andigalpern
Tonight I'm co-organizing "Blog Writing Hour" w/ @indiewebcamp. Stop by @mozsf from 5:30-6:30 for quiet writing time. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club
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andicascadesf
oh yay!
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Loqi
woot
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andicascadesf
I haven’t promoted it much, so figured I should say something today.
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andicascadesf
Who is going to be there?
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KevinMarks_
what should I talk about on TWiG today?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: kittens
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snarfed
everyone loves kittens
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aaronpk
i've been in auth-land all week, not sure you want to talk about that tho
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snarfed
KevinMarks: you could mention that tumblr, blogger, and wp.com can now do webmentions
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snarfed
(via bridgy)
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snarfed
not sure if webmention is twig-worthy though
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KevinMarks_
it's on topic for cloud show
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snarfed
regardless, i vote kittens instead
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snarfed
can't go wrong
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KevinMarks_
aha, it works
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tantek
KevinMarks: how nerdy can it be?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: that's from bridgy? awesome!
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KevinMarks_
I just hooked it ot my blog
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tantek
so bridgy is sending the webmentions? neat!
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tantek
oh boy
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tantek
so that's twice so far for each link
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tantek
KevinMarks: are you editing your blog post?
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snarfed
could be a bridgy bug
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snarfed
repeated webmentions are ok, but not optimal
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snarfed
actually looks like one for one and three for the other
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snarfed
now two and three
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snarfed
anyway
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KartiPrabhu
hmm this is getting worse it seems
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aaronpk
webmention.io should be better about not sending repeated notifications to the channel is all
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KartiPrabhu
aaronpk: I noticed that twitter shows "previews" of your POSSEd notes, is that because of twitter cards markup on your site?
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snarfed
you can follow KevinMarks's bridgy blogger webmentions here: https://www.brid.gy/blogger/3200930#blogposts
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tantek
KevinMarks: re: TWIG - can you bring up that we're still waiting for Google Hangouts to support handling gtalk: and xmpp: URLs per http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication#urls-gtalk
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aaronpk
oh funny!
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snarfed
"Data too long for column 'html' at row 1"
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tantek
KevinMarks: in short, the Google Hangouts native iOS/Android apps should support handling "gtalk:" and "xmpp:" URLs
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KartiPrabhu
tantek: I feel Google does not intend to support XMPP in Hangouts or do they?
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tantek
KartiPrabhu: I don't care what they intend. We should ask for what we want.
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KartiPrabhu
fair enough :)
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KartiPrabhu
I don't trust Hangouts anyway. Pretty buggy
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KartikPrabhu
ok finally the correct nick :P
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bret
i dont understand the new hangouts
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bear
XMPP was removed from Google Voice but we (the xmpp folks) are hearing about it staying with Hangouts/GMail - but unsure as they are not very opaque in that area
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bear
err s/opaque/transparent/
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bret
bear, google voice supported xmpp?
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bret
never knew that
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bear
as a way to do backend calls and stuff - yes
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bear
it was leftover from grandcentral
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bret
Hoping the dont shut that off
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aaronpk
snarfed: ok I made it not store the HTML anymore so the next one should work
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bear
grancentral stuff they did
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snarfed
aaronpk: cool, thanks. clicking the retry button now.
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snarfed
doh, retry button is broken. need to fix that :P it'll retry soon
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snarfed
aaronpk: nice. the irc webmentions worked. the ones with fragmentions in the urls are still failing, but that's a different issue. https://www.brid.gy/blogger/3200930#posts
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aaronpk
cool. is webmention.io not accepting the URL with the fragmention?
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KevinMarks_
looks like the fragmentions are the porblem
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aaronpk
cause it's not a valid URI
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snarfed
ahahahah
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aaronpk
so ruby's URI.parse fails
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tantek
KevinMarks: you broke ruby!
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tantek
(said in southpark voice)
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snarfed
btw, KevinMarks, did the bridgy blogger signup go ok? any hiccoughs?
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KevinMarks_
worked fine, yes
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snarfed
great, thanks
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KevinMarks_
(I had to use my old google account, which owns that blog)
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KevinMarks_
it only chose one blog though - my main one
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KevinMarks_
though I have some others there
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aaronpk
so... recommendations on how to handle URLs with fragmentions then? if URI parser libraries refuse to parse them...
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snarfed
KevinMarks: yeah, i eventually want to let you choose which blog. feel free to chime in on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/136 (if you care)
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aaronpk
should I first replace '##' with '#' then parse it? (using the original string when looking for the backlink of course)
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bret
aaronpk maybe extract them before parsing?
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: afaik the python url parsing lib treats "##some+link" as a fragment named "#some+link" then you can further parse the name to see if it starts with a "#"
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aaronpk
the python url parsing lib is conveniently broken then :)
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KartikPrabhu
oh really! it should just ignore those?
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KevinMarks_
you could escape the second #
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: confirmed the said behaviour of python urlparse just now.
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shaners
Hi everybody. It's been awhile.
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bret
shaners++
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Loqi
shaners has 4 karma
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aaronpk
shaners: you coming to pdx in june?
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shaners
aaronpk: yep
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aaronpk
awesome!
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bret
woohoo!
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KartikPrabhu
who is shaners?
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KartikPrabhu
hmm aaronpk how about adding that question to Loqi to return userpage of that user?
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Loqi
grins profusely
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shaners
I am @veganstraightedge on silos. iamshane.com
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rascul
what is pdx?
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KartikPrabhu
aah of course hi!
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: definitely. add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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bret
KartikPrabhu, shaners helped put on IWC hollywood among other things
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shaners
PDX is Portland's airport code. rascul
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rascul
i saw it mentioend and i thought maybe another event that i wasn't aware of! heh
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aaronpk
helps distinguish it from all the other portlands
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shaners
we lovingly call the city of Portland PDX too. Because it's cool sounding.
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bret
pdXtreeme!
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bret
HWC:PDX
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KartikPrabhu
shaners: the first post I saw was "60s Hindi rock 'n roll" ! :P
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bear
@rascul well, in this case, they are using "pdx in june" to be the same as HWC:PDX
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rascul
ahh ok
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rascul
too many acronyms
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aaronpk
IWC:PDX
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shaners
what's the H in HWC, bret ?
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bret
humble
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bret
i mean homebrew
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aaronpk
humble indie web club?
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bret
i get humble indie bundle confused with homebrew website club sometimes
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rascul
now that you said humblw, every time i see hwc i'm gonna think humble website club
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rascul
*humble
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bret
im just being silly, sorry :p
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iamshane.com
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: East and West are tied again 7-all!
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shaners
tantek sold out the the best coast for the least! ;)
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nicknotbender
!
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tantek
is more of a bridge to IWC:East
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@caseorganic
Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb)
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@peterboghossian
RT @caseorganic: Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb)
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GWG
tantek: I think you are more of an attraction to Indiewebcamp East
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KevinMarks_
I think brid.gy just went down
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KartikPrabhu
hmm works for me!
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snarfed
looks like maybe just a latency hiccough. monitoring doesn't show anythign wrong, and user pages are loading fine for me
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snarfed
i definitely am seeing slow page loads, and a big short-lived latency spike about 15m ago
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snarfed
yow, actually, traffic surge
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snarfed
someone must have posted it somewhere
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KartikPrabhu
is caseorganic showing off bridgy?
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snarfed
ah maybe
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nicknotbender
she is not
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snarfed
app engine spun up more instances, seems like it's running ok now
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snarfed
traffic graph for last 30m: https://snarfed.org/spike.png . y axis is qps
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JonathanNeal
aaronpk: re: fragmentions, what was learned?
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JonathanNeal
can the ruby parser be updated or did you have to switch to single hashes.
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shaners
JonathanNeal which ruby parser?
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JonathanNeal
aaronpk> cool. is webmention.io not accepting the URL with the fragmention?, so ruby's URI.parse fails
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KevinMarks_
now mentioning known too
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KevinMarks_
Leo Laporte: "i want to change my blog to a known stream"
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shaners
what does that even mean? KevinMarks_
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@orangephoto
So @ATT Messaging is easily compromised - single letter twitter accounts are being stolen via exploitation of the service - be careful
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tantek
note that was retweeted by @x
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tantek
also note that https://twitter.com/j has been compromised. It is clearly no longer in the control of Juliette Melton - who was the owner.
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KevinMarks_
what is known?
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tantek
details to follow - but please get that on the air
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KartikPrabhu
shaners: I think KevinMarks_ is talking about known from http://withknown.com/ :)
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shaners
ooooh. Known™, not known.
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tantek
summary: if you use AT&T Mobile for your cell service, REMOVE your phone number from your Twitter, Gmail, Facebook, Github etc. profiles
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tantek
say for example, you're using your phone's SMS for Two Factor Auth (TFA).
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tantek
and ESPECIALLY remove your phone number from any profiles at any financial institutions. This is not a hypothetical.
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tantek
KevinMarks ^^^
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KevinMarks_
I explained that you are safe as you don't have a phone number
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GWG
KevinMarks_: I have a bunch of phone numbers
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tantek
lesson: we can't trust the security of phone numbers
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GWG
I don't even know them all
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tantek
that's from YESTERDAY
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KartikPrabhu
wow! AT&T not doing so hot!
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Jeena
and have you all seen http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/05/21/support-a-live-tile-for-your-website-on-windows-and-windows-phone-8-1.aspx which is so meaningless, they could just reuse h-feed (or atom)
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aaronparecki.com
moved /idno to /Known "idno is now Known"
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tantek
Aaronpk, I was waiting for benwerd to do that :P
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
i'll let him clean it up :)
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benwerd
apologizes :)
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benwerd
I will :)
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KartikPrabhu
Jeena: looks horrible! just use Atom/RSS if not h-feed
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bear
KevinMarks_ - thanks for making it so Leo can mess up my servers ;)
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bear
goes to make a sanity backup of leo's personal server
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KevinMarks_
leo is going to try known
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bear
yea, I'm listening to twig
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KevinMarks_
bear can help...
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tantek
hah! I have to give props to Path's unsubscribe confirmation page
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kylewm
ha Leo Laporte likes "Idno"
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bear
KevinMarks_ please ask for him to wait for mysql
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GWG
I've seen TWIG. I tuned in after I heard Jeff Jarvis was on it. I had just read What Would Google Do.
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kylewm
bear++, cracking me up listening to him and seeing you write at the same time ("I could probably install Mongo, how hard could that be?")
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Loqi
bear has 5 karma
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bear
this is why he has his own server
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GWG
KevinMarks_: You've guested on there, I think, also.
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GWG
Sometimes the podcasts in my car blend together
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tantek
bear, that reminds me, I found an OSCon MongoDB coffee mug (actual physical object) while doing some cleaning today. benwerd, you want a MongoDB coffee mug for your work place as a reminder until you finish the port to MySQL?
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tantek
maybe I'll bring it to HWC tonight :D
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aaronpk
ha there's one of those at my office too
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bear
I have about 4 of them in my cabinet
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tantek
"mug of shame"
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tantek
"drinking your own coffee"
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shaners
you need at least two. for replication.
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aaronpk
shaners++
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Loqi
shaners has 5 karma
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bear
shaners++
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Loqi
shaners has 6 karma
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KartikPrabhu
bear: are you working on known/idno also?
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bear
KartikPrabhu - sadly no - work has me so busy I'm being a bad steward to my current open source projects
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shaners
tantek: did you redact something in this screenshot or is that a part of their design?
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bear
but if Leo is going to install it … then I will need to get a crash course in case he has questions
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@mathewi
Talked on TWiG with @kevinmarks about a couple of fascinating IndieWeb tools, including brid.gy and Fragmentions: http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html
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tantek
just wait for the wiki edit shaners :P
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+437) "Unsubscribe Confirmation Page"
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+4) "/* UI */ path.com"
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aaronpk
lol someone had fun with that
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tantek
aaronpk - my reaction exactly, hence I felt it worth documenting.
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tantek
hey look, a silo did something clever!
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tantek
that kind of thing
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tantek
what the screenshot doesn't capture is that the blue and red segments are actually animated, as if they're lightcycles from a birds eye view
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@manojpallai
RT @mathewi: Talked on TWiG with @kevinmarks about a couple of fascinating IndieWeb tools, including brid.gy and Fragmentions: http://t.co/…
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aaronpk
i can make an animated gif
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+99) "/* Unsubscribe Confirmation Page */ lightcycles from a birds eye view."
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iamshane.com
edited /Main_Page (-2) "changed mywebsite.com/ideas to example.com/ideas because mywebsite.com is a real website that we don't control."
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aaronpk
thanks shaners
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shaners
👍
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tantek
hey at least it's a hosting provider ;)
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tantek
aaronpk - reloading the unsub page restarts the animation
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shaners
going for walk
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GWG
snarfed: Skimming here...Can you handle the cost of traffic if the audience of TWIG/TWIT/etc jumps onboard?
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KartikPrabhu
so much for Google+ not allowing post API to prevent spam! The Python community has been getting tons of advertising spam for "pretty looking tech-savvy ladies"
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KartikPrabhu
s/for/from
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tantek
well that's a turnabout of sorts, pythons getting tempted by ...
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: so much from Google+ not allowing post API to prevent spam! The Python community has been getting tons of advertising spam from "pretty looking tech-savvy ladies"
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KartikPrabhu
WTH myself...
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snarfed
GWG: short answer, yes
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+44) "/* Unsubscribe Confirmation Page */ Reloading"
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snarfed
longer answer, traffic spikes don't cost much thanks to cloud computing, etc
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snarfed
i appreciate the concern though
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snarfed
i accept donations in the form of pull requests!
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bear
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 25 karma
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed++ on PR donations
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Loqi
snarfed has 26 karma
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tantek
so good!
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tantek
pleased by to add to /Path !
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tantek
as in please do so! :)
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kylewm
snarfed: is API throttling likely to be the bigger bottleneck if a bunch of people signed up en masse?
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snarfed
kylewm: interesting question, but no. total api usage is domainated by the poll-every-15m part, not by new user signups
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snarfed
if total # of users jumped by, say, 5x, i'd hit the g+ quota, but fb, tw, and ig should be fine
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snarfed
(and i can fix g+ by dropping the poll frequency)
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kylewm
i guess pretty simple for twitter at least, 250 requests every 15 minutes means you can support 250 users
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snarfed
it uses a few different twitter api call types, in different rate limiting buckets, but it watches for the "rate limited" http response codes and backs off
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snarfed
for a little side project, bridgy is maybe a bit overengineered
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aaronpk
that's awesome
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@t
Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZp_eJFaxs)
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tantek
well I guess I know what I'm blogging about during tonight's Writing Hour
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@steveklabnik
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZpev6jVeC)
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@matthewmspace
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZpgFRz3FC)
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tantek
(sorry guys, this might blow up)
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@dshaw
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZpifuSFPj)
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@bbhoss
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZpjoaigDb)
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aaronpk
holds on to the wiki
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tantek
notes that Twitter @Safety have 1) said NOTHING about it on their tweet stream, and 2) have not restored @j. And they've had hours to do so.
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snarfed
what else could they possibly have to do?!?
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snarfed
(kidding :P)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: have the hackers done things other than lock/delete tweets?
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@yaauie
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZq7418hA9)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: financial accounts have been compromised.
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tantek
this is not "just" a twitter problem
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tantek
it's an AT&T cell service problem
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KartikPrabhu
aah so it is pretty bad then
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tantek
and ATT is being unresponsive to @j
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KartikPrabhu
not surprised by ATT unresponsiveness
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tantek
and they've been given HOURS to show ANY progress. Which they have not. So, now it's time to go public and blow this up.
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aaronpk
have they tried reporting it to AT&T security?
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tantek
aaronpk - AT&T asked for a police report of identity theft
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aaronpk
oh jeez
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tantek
which police only do … in person (for obvious reasons)
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aaronpk
was that through customer service or something tho? seems like getting in touch with the security side would have different results
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@istx25
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZqJLq9pDb)
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@MCECSpdx
Thanks for coming! RT @caseorganic Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb )
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tantek
aaronpk - if you have an email or phone number for "AT&T security" please provide and I'll pass it on
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tantek
also we could start a /ATT page
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tantek
with that information
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tantek
and note of this incident
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aaronpk
well abuse@att.net might be a good place to start
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@GlennF
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZrQKqp0ij)
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@iDGS
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZrYiHGek4)
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tantek
thanks aaronpk - passed it along
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tantek
interesting, the icon is gone from @j
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aaronpk
3 tweets?!
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aaronpk
following 1
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tantek
maybe there are clues to the attacker in those images - so they're now gone
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tantek
can google image search the web for other occurances of a JPEG?
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@katelosse
@kevinmarks I'm getting dinner then heading over for the indieweb club-- do I need to ping anyone to get in? thx!
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snarfed
tantek: yes
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snarfed
click on the camera icon in the search box
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tantek
gotta run
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tantek
but if someone could download those jpegs ^^^ and try google image searches on them
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tantek
that would be appreciated
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aaronpk
found it on deviantart
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tantek
heck, if the attacker was dumb enough to use them on other profiles...
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tantek
attacker's identifier was "swag727"
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aaronpk
found a few other profiles with that image
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tantek
I just got a pop-up @-mention notification from @KevinMarks!
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tantek
(on my twitter.com/t profile page in a web browser)
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aaronpk
oh yeah saw that the other day! they're really facebooking it up
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@benpop
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZt3CdmRzU)
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aaronpk
alright i've got a whole host of URLs with that profile image
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@Renegal
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZtD1Armqf)
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@benwerd
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
(twtr.io/mZtVyk8WWR)