#indiewebcamp 2014-06-03

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barnabywalters time to finally write a getLocation function
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barnabywalters given a microformat, return it’s location data, wherever it decided to put it
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GWG barnabywalters: What prompted that?
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Loqi GWG: kylewm left you a message 4 hours, 1 minute ago: hard to tell with all the redirects Facebook does but I think the issue is that your syndication link points to the "shared 3 photos" page, while the likes are coming in on the individual photos
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barnabywalters GWG: actually it’s yak-shaving — I’m working on my feed reader/search engine, and elasticsearch can do cool location-based searching, for which I need to be able to get the location of posts
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aaronpk ooh
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barnabywalters also it was being discussed earlier today
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GWG yak-shaving?
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GWG That's a new one for me
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barnabywalters http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2005/03/dont_shave_that.html
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GWG I have installed a plugin to add location data to my posts, but haven't displayed yet
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barnabywalters most of it is very straightforward, but I’m going all-out and adding support for geo: URLs
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barnabywalters BECAUSE
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aaronpk i publish geo: URIs
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barnabywalters did not know that
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barnabywalters aaronpk: with altitude data too? ;)
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aaronpk nope
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aaronpk left that out
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barnabywalters everyone always leaves altitude out
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aaronpk it's usually not relevant
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barnabywalters it’s the neglected coordinate
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barnabywalters yeah, it’s not often very useful
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barnabywalters mainly good for boasting that you’re on top of a mountain
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aaronpk the value is super inaccurate when observed by a cell phone
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GWG Unless you are on a plane or live on a mountain
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aaronpk and most often you're on the ground anyway so you can just look up the altitude given the lat/lng
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aaronpk it's only useful if you're flying
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shaners or in a tall tall buiding
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GWG I thought about making location data just a text box
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GWG So, I could put in things like "State of Confusion."
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barnabywalters lol
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GWG "Man without Country."
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aaronpk except in tall buildings a floor number is more useful than feet
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barnabywalters aaronpk: feet?? is that some sort of unit
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GWG Even if I store location data, I'll likely resolve it to a general region anyway.
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aaronpk erm
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aaronpk metres
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barnabywalters :)
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GWG barnabywalters: You are British, aren't you? You invented feet.
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barnabywalters GWG: we realised our mistake pretty quickly
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GWG Just because you retired it.
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KartikPrabhu feet--
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Loqi feet has -1 karma
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barnabywalters GWG: I’ve found that it’s most useful to store the precise lat/long and a generic “name” string representation of the location
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GWG barnabywalters: I'm still trying to figure out what a stone is
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barnabywalters GWG: go to the beach some day
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barnabywalters there are usually some there
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GWG barnabywalters: I couldn't find anything in the Wordpress repository for the HTML5 location specification and I don't feel like writing my own right now. So my yak is still very well quaffed.
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shaners in the Homesteading posting interface, I have lon/lat/alt fields that try to auto populate from the browser. and a location name text field for the human name of things: Aaron's house, etc
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GWG barnabywalters: I meant as a unit of measurement.
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barnabywalters shaners: I currently derive the name from Nominatim, it’s probably a good idea to put that in a text box and allow editing if it’s not sufficient
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pauloppenheim my yak has some awesome fades and a batman logo carved in, but only on a small part of one side
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barnabywalters shaners: do you have an example of a post of yours with location data on? how are you marking it up?
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GWG pauloppenheim: Stylish yak
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shaners barnabywalters: unfortunately not yet, i'm only collecting it. not displaying it yet. one of these days.
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pauloppenheim GWG: only a very small part
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shaners (i've been off the wagon for a bit) [or is it ON the wagon, i never remember]
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aaronpk I have also found that lat/lng/name is the most useful
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aaronpk and tha'ts what instagram does
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GWG I've thrown my work out the window, restarted from scratch, changed my mind so many times even since I joined this movement in March...
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GWG Today, I threw out one version of an idea and added another.
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GWG I've figure out how to do what I want.
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GWG I just now actually have to do it before I change my mind
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi sleep tight!
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@benwerd How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473631994664857600)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@genshi genshi.box is a viable option for #indieweb if you want a nicely designed, consumer friendly, personal web server - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/genshi-box-personal-social-networking-appliance (twitter.com/_/status/473632045919260672)
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@stevepurkiss RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473632046813032449)
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@bear RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473633517629628416)
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@indiewebcamp RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473633777416404992)
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benwerd I've just realized that the photo in the above post is KevinMarks in 2008, talking about open web tech.
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 37 minutes ago: perhaps you IndieWebCamp 2014 West organizers/participants could reach out to @nrrrdcore to see if she would be interested in participating? She has her own site: http://julieannhorvath.com/
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benwerd good idea
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@hugozap RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473635556728270848)
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GWG tantek: You back in NYC again?
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tantek will be Wednesday morning
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GWG What brings you through so much of late?
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tantek hence, ANYONE UP FOR HOMEBREW WEBSITE CLUB NYC 2014-06-04 21:30-22:30 EDT?
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tantek this week it's PDF2014
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tantek giving a 12 minute keynote on the IndieWeb on the main stage
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tantek PDF = Personal Democracy Forum
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GWG Ironically, I am off this week. But I'm visiting my family out of the city.
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tantek GWG - re: starting from scratch - at least you're writing down notes on http://indiewebcamp.com/User:David.shanske.com so you know what avenues you've gone down and what you want to work on next!
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GWG Shame. An HWC in NYC sounds like fun
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GWG tantek: I keep jumping around
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GWG After a conversation this morning, I worked on Custom Post Types again...a simpler version than originally planned
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tantek it will be fun!
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GWG tantek: With my schedule, I'm afraid I'll always be workign
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tantek especially with the later start time, since everyone does things late in NYC
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GWG Not me. I'm not a bar type
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GWG Although, on a serious note, I would like to find people trying to do Indieweb things with Wordpress who want to have more discussions.
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GWG Pfefferle has been most helpful when I ask questions, and has added hooks into his plugins for me to build onto
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GWG snarfed has also been helpful on the Bridgy side.
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GWG But the theme and plugin stuff I'm doing, not sure if I can find anyone to test and help me improve it or share ideas.
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@kid_OYO Web 2.0 Killed da Internet http://aralbalkan.com/notes/how-web-2-0-killed-the-internet/ ht @aral #sovereignsourceauthority #indieIDP #indieweb #indietech #vrm Beware Trojan Horse (twitter.com/_/status/473639947065622528)
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acegiak GWG: I'm a wordpresser\
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acegiak just havent been super active recently
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GWG acegiak: I know, I saw you wrote the plugin that pfefferle forked.
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@NoizIvy RT @kid_OYO: Web 2.0 Killed da Internet http://aralbalkan.com/notes/how-web-2-0-killed-the-internet/ ht @aral #sovereignsourceauthority #indieIDP #indieweb #indietech #vrm Bewar… (twitter.com/_/status/473640495915085824)
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GWG acegiak: I just feel that better Wordpress tools will encourage adoption because Wordpress is so popular.
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@NZN RT @kid_OYO: Web 2.0 Killed da Internet http://aralbalkan.com/notes/how-web-2-0-killed-the-internet/ ht @aral #sovereignsourceauthority #indieIDP #indieweb #indietech #vrm Bewar… (twitter.com/_/status/473640629952847872)
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GWG It is running what, 20% of the net?
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@CoderDojoVA RT @kid_OYO: Web 2.0 Killed da Internet http://aralbalkan.com/notes/how-web-2-0-killed-the-internet/ ht @aral #sovereignsourceauthority #indieIDP #indieweb #indietech #vrm Bewar… (twitter.com/_/status/473640810785681408)
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acegiak GWG: I'm not developing for it in the hopes it will lead to widespread adoption of indieweb stuff. That actually concerns me because I worry about homogenization of indieweb technologies
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@coderdojoli RT @kid_OYO: Web 2.0 Killed da Internet http://aralbalkan.com/notes/how-web-2-0-killed-the-internet/ ht @aral #sovereignsourceauthority #indieIDP #indieweb #indietech #vrm Bewar… (twitter.com/_/status/473640895716143105)
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acegiak I develop for it because I use it
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GWG acegiak: I develop for it because I use it
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GWG acegiak: But when I started, the first things I installed were the webmention and semantic linkback plugins.
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GWG Without those, it would have been much harder
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GWG I still have problems I'm working on
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acegiak I'm mostly talking to remind myself because I've made the mistake of trying to build something with mass appeal before
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GWG acegiak: My criteria is...something that I want to use that could have mass appeal.
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GWG That means things like not hard coding my data, and letting it be pulled from the right place
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acegiak it's pretty much all pfefferle there. my own contributions to those were just refactoring one of his older plugins to separate out the semantic-linkbacks plugin into it's own plugin
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acegiak GWG, yeah. that's pretty much my approach too
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GWG acegiak: I spent April writing a theme with a bunch of features I wanted.
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GWG Then I spent May ripping out pieces of that theme and turning them into a plugin that could be used with any theme
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GWG Why?
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GWG A. Because I've changed my theme twice since I started working on the site again this year after a long lull.
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GWG B. Because then someone else could use it.
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GWG Re B...I think that is the mass appeal part...build your code modularly, so someone could take it if they want it
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acegiak how far along is the plugin? cause that sounds amazing?
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GWG acegiak: It is the first thing I've ever put into a repository.
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acegiak I'm currently using a child theme of sempress because I needed to add support for all the metadata whisperfollow generates
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/semantic-comments
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acegiak cool
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GWG acegiak: I didn't like Sempress. It was nice enough, but didn't appeal to me
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acegiak that's fair enough
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GWG http://david.shanske.com/ - This is the theme I wrote, which I tried to make mf2 compliant.
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GWG More of it needs to be ripped out
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acegiak I've kinda adjusted to sempress
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GWG I ripped out the comment replacement part and put it into a plugin.
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GWG The plugin will work with Sempress.
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@withknown Working to bridge the #indieweb knowledge gap http://stream.withknown.com/2014/working-to-bridge-the-indieweb-knowledge-gap (twitter.com/_/status/473643052121075712)
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GWG I have a few more things I want it to do. Pull in the syndication URLs from either the Wordpress plugin or Bridgy.
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GWG In terms of the site, this morning, I opened up the file of another plugin, to create a custom post type for notes.
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GWG I had wanted to create multiple CPTs, but I figured out how to do what I wanted with just one and a custom theme.
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acegiak acegiak.net shows you how I've used sempress with modifications to show reply context etc
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acegiak cause a lot of my content is likes and reblogs etc
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GWG acegiak: I see the reply-context
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GWG The way I implemented reposts/link sharing was using Post Formats, and it didn't work out
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@veganstraightedge @nrrrdcore If you're gonna be around the PNW at the end of the month, you should join us for #indiewebcamp in PDX June June 28-29. (twitter.com/_/status/473644033349136384)
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GWG So I'm ripping it out
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acegiak GWG: I'm currently adding metadata to asides and tehn checking for it in the theme
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acegiak I was thinking about creating a custom post type but it got confusing
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GWG acegiak: I tried using the Post Formats, and that got confusing.
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GWG Might be I abandon the CPT and stay with Post Formats...or not
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GWG Not sure yet
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@erinjo @thedatahive I'm hoping that as we create @withknown we build a product that is accessible and we share knowledge. http://stream.withknown.com/2014/working-to-bridge-the-indieweb-knowledge-gap?utm_content=buffercfa61&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/473644829935562753)
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acegiak gRegor`: I'm also having single posts that can be "likes" and "replies"
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acegiak in fact the majority of my current posts are that
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kylewm aaronpk: OwnYourGram seems to have stopped picking up my updates, but they still work when I go through the dashboard and ask it to post manually. any guesses?
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gRegor` acegiak: Good to know. Are you displaying them grouped together or separately, like with a facepile?
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acegiak what is a facepile?
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Loqi The Facepile is a design element popularized by Facebook http://indiewebcamp.com/facepile
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acegiak I'm displaying replies to my content individually
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acegiak but when I'm replying to things those replies/likes/etc are one post per content blog
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acegiak s/blog/block/
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: but when I'm replying to things those replies/likes/etc are one post per content block
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@romyilano RT @nrrrdcore: Code of Conduct examples: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (twitter.com/_/status/473648863224426496)
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gRegor` Gotcha
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gRegor` This is what I'm working towards: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/webmention#Display_Concepts
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acegiak gRegor`: yeah I'd like to do that too
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/06/02/2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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GWG acegiak: Have you seen my display options?
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@veganstraightedge Either I'm not "in the know" or @aral's use of "consensus" is generous. http:///notes/how-web-2-0-killed-the-internet/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473655485623578625)
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GWG gRegor`: I like the mockup
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tantek shaners - nope, no consensus that I know of.
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KartikPrabhu shaners, tantek: I think Aral is using "open web" to refer to Open APIs of silos
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@veganstraightedge Did delicious/flickr/Upcoming/etc era APIs require app key and secret? Was access revokable? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473657595438182400)
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acegiak GWG: display options?
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@benwerd Email notifications triggered by webmentions. #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/473658169181212672/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/473658169181212672)
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GWG acegiak: The Semantic Comment plugin I mentioned displays facepiles.
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bret so safari is going to supress the url now?
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bret Apple's definition of web standards: drm?
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acegiak GWG: oh yeah!
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KartikPrabhu bret: <gasp> you can't criticise Apple on the interwebs
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shaners bret: what are you referring to?
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bret changes in safari
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bret shaners http://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/
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bret new url bar and
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bret 'native' netflix
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shaners no air quotes needed. it is native.
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shaners it's just natively playing a DRMed video.
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shaners which is unfortunately a proposed web standard (by netflix et al in the w3c)
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bret still bummin me out
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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shaners bret: i agree that it sucks.same with firefox supporting it.
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bret i guess im reacting more to the air of celabration wheras ff at least :( about it
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simple10 Hello! Where is the Homebrew Website Club meeting in SF this week? Website still says TBD
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bret simple10 errmm, not quite sure myself
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simple10 @tantek are we meeting at Mozilla?
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shaners Apple's job is to make the best browser for its users. Given that Netflix / W3C is going down this path, I don't know what Firefox/Apple should've done instead.
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shaners It's a big pile of suck
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acegiak !tell barnabywalters did you see Blackwool's belated birthday video? http://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell simple10 you'll have to ask this week's Homebrew Website Club SF organizers snarfed and benwerd
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek who is simple10?
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KartikPrabhu unknown
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KartikPrabhu tantek: wild guess:
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KartikPrabhu er: https://github.com/simple10
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shaners does Loqi have any sort of /whois lookup thingy?
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KartikPrabhu shaners: I have suggested adding it
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KartikPrabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi##who+is+xyz
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Loqi dude
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bret shaners basically at this point its up to p2p and drm tolerant rippers to make drm obsolte
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bret as it did with music
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Have you figured out your NYC plans?
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah I did
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GWG What did you figure out?
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KartikPrabhu I'm arriving on Firday afternoon, and leaving Monday morning
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GWG Where are you staying?
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KartikPrabhu Club Quarters near Midtown
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GWG How are you getting here?
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GWG There
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GWG I'm not there yet
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KartikPrabhu flying into LaGuardia, then probably catch the sbway
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GWG The subway?
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GWG From LGA?
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GWG There is no Subway near LGA
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GWG It's not like Midway
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KartikPrabhu oh I hadn't figured out that part yet! :P
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KartikPrabhu probably some sort of cab mechanism then
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GWG You can take the bus to the subway
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KartikPrabhu aah yes just saw on google mape\s
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gRegor` shaners: A kind of workaround for whois currently is to set up a wiki page that redirects to your user page. e.g. "who is tantek" works because he set up /tantek
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gRegor` The page also requires a <dfn> element
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shaners who is tantek
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Loqi Tantek Çelik is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp and works on open web standards at Mozilla http://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek
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shaners oh. not bad.
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gRegor` Yeah. It'd be nice if everyone didn't have to make a redirect page of their username, though.
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GWG Definitions are hard though
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GWG Who is GWG?
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GWG No one of importance
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/gwg
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gRegor` Mine is just "gRegor Morrill is a software engineer living in Chicago, Illinois."
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GWG gRegor`: Sounds nice
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gRegor` It is. Our pizza is better than yours. ;)
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gRegor` I haven't set up a redirect page though.
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GWG gRegor`: Deep dish or stuffed?
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gRegor` Deep dish, though I like it all.
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gRegor` Mostly kidding. I haven't actually been to NYC proper yet.
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GWG gRegor`: Giordano's?
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gRegor` Yep.
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GWG gRegor`: Stop by anytime. KartikPrabhu is
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KartikPrabhu GWG: Chicago is invading both IWCs gregor` is going to the West one
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GWG I heard
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GWG Tipping the balance
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GWG I could go for some Giordano's.
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GWG I might have to settle for Unos.
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GWG Darn...now I really could go for a Chicago pizza
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aaronpk yaaaayyyy loqi finally answered a "what is" question that came up in a regular conversation!
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Loqi is done
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GWG aaronpk: Good work
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@kevinmarks "@qz: Apple took another step towards obscuring the way the web works http://t.co/942qT8ChnQ" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473677140882251777)
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@chrismcelligott RT @kevinmarks: "@qz: Apple took another step towards obscuring the way the web works http://t.co/942qT8ChnQ" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473677523427946496)
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@cconover RT @kevinmarks: "@qz: Apple took another step towards obscuring the way the web works http://t.co/942qT8ChnQ" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473677637370798080)
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aaronpk ohhhhkay fine i'll make the whois thing tonight
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@libel_vox RT @kevinmarks: "@qz: Apple took another step towards obscuring the way the web works http://t.co/942qT8ChnQ" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473677916694249472)
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aaronpk KevinMarks: this quoting-and-hashtagging tweets to get them to show up here is fascinating
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aaronpk it's like submitting links to a subreddit or hackernews
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GWG I have a question. Who here includes replies and likes in their main feed? Wondering the thoughts on the matter
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KartikPrabhu i don't have a main feed yet (Django drawbacks) but all my notes with replies are in one feed
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aaronpk GWG: I intentionally do not
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aaronpk there are too many likes, so it quickly turns into noise
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KartikPrabhu does not plan to post likes with out any other comment
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aaronpk as for replies, too often out of contenxt because people I reply to don't always know each other. Twitter solved this by only showing replies in your home timeline from people you also know
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GWG aaronpk: I don't have reply and like support built in right now. Starting to add it.
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GWG Trying to figure out the display
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aaronpk I don't actually publish likes yet but plan to
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aaronpk if you want a sample, check out my replies feed and imagine you were reading all of these in some unified reader UI http://aaronparecki.com/replies
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KartikPrabhu oh wait GWG are you asing about replies and likes *to* my posts?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: i'm curious why you don't want to publish likes without other content?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: No. By you, not to you
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KartikPrabhu GWG: ok previous statement stands then
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I never liked "likes". they don't add anything to the post IMO
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KartikPrabhu I am undecided about "reposts"
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aaronpk i'm super on the fence about reposts
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GWG Reposting is a form of syndication
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aaronpk I actually completely stopped retweeting things on twitter when I started POSSEing to twitter
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KartikPrabhu no. syndication is me sharing to another site. I could repost your post on my site which wouldn't be syndication... I think
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aaronpk but lately i've been less strict about that because i'm curious about the kinds of things I want to repost
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yeah I think "repost" describes it pretty well. syndication is when the author pushes it somewhere else.
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GWG I agree repost is the proper term. I was referring to syndication in the broader sense. It is spreading your content.
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I have stopped simple retweeting too. One reason being I don't have the UI/database structure for it yet.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: oh yes. that is why I am on the fence.
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: that was kind of my reason for stopping, then I realized that I didn't want that to be the reason
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aaronpk so I started retweeting stuff on twitter only again, and only after reconsidering each retweet more than once, with the expectation that i'll eventually pull in those back to my site later
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I agree. I will add repost to my db and see how I like it. But in any case I do "reshare" but with some quote or something like this: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/adactio-notes-POSSE
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GWG aaronpk: Well, what about in reverse? I see an interesting article I want to share with others.
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GWG What is the concern with reposting it?
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GWG Or a link to it?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: yes see my example above :)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yeah! that's almost like how KevinMarks adds the #indieweb hashtags to other peoples' tweets
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aaronpk GWG: I don't do that very often in general
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I wonder if I should just add u-repost to embedded links in notes?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: your opinion about that too ^^
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: nah not all external links are reposts
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KartikPrabhu hmmm... why else would you have a link? oh... @mention or something...
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GWG aaronpk: That seems to be how things spread.
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: if you've added any content to it of your own it's no longer a repost
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah that too...
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mattl Hey. I'm a hacker at Creative Commons. Previously at the Free Software Foundation. I'm the founder of GNU FM and GNU social (merged with StatusNet in 2013)... Figured I should linger here.
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GWG aaronpk: If you just have a brief comment about a story...is that a reply? Or something else?
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KartikPrabhu looks like I will have to add a UI since I am reposting quite a bit
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GWG Hello, mattl
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KartikPrabhu mattl: hi!
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mattl Hey :)
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GWG mattl: You were at NELF, right?
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mattl Yep. Every year apart from the most recent.
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GWG As was I
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GWG We met
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mattl Oh cool!
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mattl I have your card in a huge pile in my office if you gave me one.
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GWG I came up from New York the first 3 years
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GWG mattl: I forget if I had one that day
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mattl I am trying to remember who else I know from NY there. Murphy from NY?
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mattl Or murph
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GWG Murph is from New Jersey
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mattl Oh. Big difference.
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GWG Both Murph and I would say so.
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mattl Did you come to my bar event in 2013?
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GWG I was only there on Saturday last year
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mattl Boston people and Cambridge people would agree.
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GWG My employer mandated I attend a touchy feely thing on Friday
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mattl Ew.
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mattl Not literally I hope
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GWG I spent two days at a Hampton Inn talking about my feelings
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mattl Lucky all the places I work for are too poor to do that.
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mattl Or just more fiscally responsible
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GWG mattl: My boss fought to get us in. They didn't want to include my classification
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GWG I felt saying I thought it was a complete waste of time would hurt his feelings
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mattl Tell me you don't work there now.
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GWG I still do
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GWG I understand what they were trying to do, but I wasn't the target audience
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mattl Eek.
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aaronpk GWG: a "brief comment" sounds like a reply/comment
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GWG So, mattl, how'd you get to this room?
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mattl GWG: Twitter, ironically.
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aaronpk hey silos aren't all bad
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mattl Twitter is better than many.
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aaronpk they're useful aggregators!
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mattl True. Trying to get away from publishing directly to them.
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mattl Gitlab, GNU social...
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aaronpk yep
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: re: adding content to 'reposts'? I suppose quoting like my example above would still be a repost
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GWG mattl: I'm having the hardest time truncating to Twitter standards.
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mattl Me too. I just run on sentences.
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mattl Though I can SMS like a pro.
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: I don't think that's a repost, because you didn't include adactio's whole thing
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KartikPrabhu aaronp: I see. Then there is no "share" or "reshare" though
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shaners and you added a bit of your own commentary
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mattl What are thoughts re: Jekyll? Indirectly they're pro GH and made by the guy who 'left'
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GWG aaronpk: Then what is it when you share a link with no comment and you do not import the content inline?
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GWG aaronpk: A bookmark?
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GWG What is a bookmark?
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Loqi A bookmark is a post that is typically comprised of a URL and title http://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark
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aaronpk well there we go
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GWG I guess so
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aaronpk the Loqi has spoken
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Loqi :)
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shaners Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 262 karma
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GWG And aaronpk includes an optional text about why it was bookmarked
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aaronpk I do, how'd you know that?
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GWG It's in the wiki entry Loqi just mentioned?
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aaronpk wha
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aaronpk crazy
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aaronpk loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 263 karma
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GWG I clicked it when it came up
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mattl Loqi is a bot, I hope.
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aaronpk that depends on your definition of a bot
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KartikPrabhu Loqi are you a bot?
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aaronpk what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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mattl Not a person hopped up on coffee
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mattl GWG: what are your thoughts on EME and DRM?
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shaners I treat bookmarks like this:
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shaners http://iamshane.com/bookmarks
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shaners title, link, optional note, optional excerpt
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GWG That might be a topic for #indiechat, but I don't think Mozilla had a choice, if you mean that
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shaners and the linked title goes to the bookmarked page, not the bookmark's permalink
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aaronpk shaners: important distinction!
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aaronpk you should add that to the /bookmarks page
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shaners ok
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Loqi it is probable
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shaners i also use a little squiggle arrow before the title. other people use other symbols.
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KartikPrabhu shaners: why do you collect these bookmarks? for later reading?
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shaners yes
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KartikPrabhu ok that to me is a more important distinction
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shaners some that are truly "read later" get deleted after reading
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shaners some are link log like posts that stick around
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shaners (and i'm still polishing this)
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KartikPrabhu or "save for later" is more like it for reference
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shaners read-later and watch-later tags that i use
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KartikPrabhu bookmarks is something I could do I suppose... would be useful for me
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shaners to separate the subset of *-later bookmarks from the link-log superset of bookmarks
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KartikPrabhu I see
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GWG I've been using Pinboard, which is a minimalist place for me to store bookmarks.
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GWG But I do want to share more on my site
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mattl GNU social supports limited delicious functionality. I'd like to use that more.
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KartikPrabhu what about adding little notes to bookmarks?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: According to the wiki, that is fine
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KevinMarks I like that pinboard can be fed links from my tweets, that woudl work for notes too
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aaronpk has still never used pinboard
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KartikPrabhu just heard of pinboard here :P
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KevinMarks it's like old delicious
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KevinMarks https://pinboard.in/u:kevinmarks
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KevinMarks or https://pinboard.in/u:kevinmarks/t:indieweb/
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aaronpk wait no inline preview or anything?
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KartikPrabhu Old Delicious that will be the name of by yacht!
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu++
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KartikPrabhu s/by/my
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: Old Delicious that will be the name of my yacht!
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 29 karma
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KevinMarks there's a premium version that caches the link content
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GWG I like the introversion angle
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GWG I seem to have 29,828 bookmarks in there
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mattl Woah
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GWG I read a lot
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aaronpk ok I promised I'd get "who is x?" working tonight so I did
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aaronpk now I can sleep :)
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gRegor` Nice work!
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gRegor` aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 476 karma
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek !tell GWG I include replies in my main composite feed (e.g. on my home page)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu latest in svg icons experiment: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/inline-svg-icons :)
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KartikPrabhu !tell JonathanNeal: experimenting with inline svg icons. help/comments appreciated @ https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/inline-svg-icons
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell GWG See also http://indiewebcamp.com/composite_stream#IndieWeb_Examples and see what people are doing on their composite streams re: replies vs. other types (like check their sites directly, not just what the page says)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kartikprabhu.com edited /composite_stream (+28) "/* IndieWeb Interest */" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: try changing the svg viewBox="0 0 416 32" and .vd-icon .icon { width: 1em
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JonathanNeal height: 1em
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JonathanNeal }
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Loqi JonathanNeal: KartikPrabhu left you a message 12 minutes ago: experimenting with inline svg icons. help/comments appreciated @ https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/inline-svg-icons
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JonathanNeal KartikPrabhu: I meant to say 0 0 32 32
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: Isn't that a lot of magic numbers though?
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JonathanNeal Not really. You put 0 0 100 100.
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JonathanNeal Also, you’ve been thinking like a pixel, as I see you’ve arranged like a map. They should all be at 0x0. The ID will trigger which one is seen.
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, awesome. I didn't know about svg:use
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JonathanNeal Instead of thinking like an NES game or web spritemap, think of SVGs spritemap as a folder of images, not really having any dimensions itself.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: that was a icomoon export... I knew svg was better :) should play with it and document :)
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JonathanNeal Yea, they are really useful. I also recommend https://github.com/svg/svgo to compress your sprites before you arrange them into a spritemap.
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KartikPrabhu I usually hand-edit svgs to remove cruft. is that tool better/do more?
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: here is a good reference: http://css-tricks.com/svg-sprites-use-better-icon-fonts/ alos JonathanNeal maes quite a few appearances :)
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal++ for those SVG suggestions! it worked... will update :)
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Loqi JonathanNeal has 9 karma
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JonathanNeal While you’re hand-editing, you can remove class="path1", as those are not needed or used. Plus, the fill property inherits.
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KartikPrabhu for sure!
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shaners Goodnight, Indie Moon!
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Loqi buenas noches
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: presumably I can remove the whole <use> group from the original SVG right?
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JonathanNeal Yes, as well as every tag above <svg> and every attribute in <svg> that is not xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"
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KartikPrabhu yup did those already. that worked! judas priest I like this!! will update demo and live site
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JonathanNeal Awesome, I keep refreshing.
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KartikPrabhu Iwill alert you here... not to worry :)
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KartikPrabhu blergh! it is 0200 here... must sleep this update must wait till tomorrow... sorry. thanks JonathanNeal!
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JonathanNeal Goodnight!
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KartikPrabhu night!
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tantek night!
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@malcolmblaney RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473737116346621953)
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@fdevillamil “We know that we need to open our platforms, and that mass surveillance by governments [...] is a problem” #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473739375617257472)
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@kevinmarks RT @fdevillamil: “We know that we need to open our platforms, and that mass surveillance by governments [...] is a problem” #indieweb http:… (twitter.com/_/status/473742154125148160)
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 6/2 at 8:41am: well done with launching notes with webmentions and so much more! consider wrapping your tweet action links with <action> webaction tags like a bunch of us have: http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 6/2 at 9:57am: I sent a webmention for my reply http://tantek.com/2014/153/t1/congrats-implementing-indieweb-notes to you post http://adactio.com/journal/6826 got a 202 but didn't see it show up on your post.
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 6/2 at 10:43am: nicely done with the h-geo markup inside your notes also! To tie it to the h-entry, add p-location, e.g. class="p-location h-geo"
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adactio !tell tantek Thanks, I've fixed that bug in my webmention code—it was an issue with trailing slashes (or lack of) in the target URL.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@daughterofbev @notahat via @nrrrdcore: Code of Conduct examples: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (twitter.com/_/status/473773351618359297)
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@oldaily How we&#39;re on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb #oldaily http://www.downes.ca/post/62322 (twitter.com/_/status/473782730342141952)
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@OER_Hub RT @oldaily: How we&#39;re on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb #oldaily http://www.downes.ca/post/62322 (twitter.com/_/status/473784520526032896)
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@mdeimann @martinlindner: Kennst du das schon? How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473784909077946368)
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@philosopher1978 RT @oldaily: How we&#39;re on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb #oldaily http://www.downes.ca/post/62322 (twitter.com/_/status/473786213988843520)
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Loqi barnabywalters: acegiak left you a message 8 hours, 16 minutes ago: did you see Blackwool's belated birthday video? http://www.apple.com/osx/preview/apps/
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barnabywalters acegiak: I didn’t! I can’t see it anywhere on that page though — is that the right link?
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barnabywalters found it on blackwool.com
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acegiak barnabywalters: sorry, I obviously pasted in teh wrong link and didn't check it
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barnabywalters acegiak: no problem — for a minute I thought she had somehow got her video into an Apple demo :D
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acegiak pfefferle: I'm thinking about shifting whisperfollow into an ajax type setup and maybe enabling micropub, I just need to work out how to do endpoints and stuff with wordpress
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pfefferle acegiak you can have a look at https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/webmention.php#L80
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acegiak oh, good point. takk
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pfefferle no problem :)
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@r4isstatic @aral @frankieroberto will hopefully get a chance to do so soon - definitely support the indieweb goals though! :-) (twitter.com/_/status/473794624851804160)
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@GBDataStream How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://www.downes.ca/ (twitter.com/_/status/473798988521816064)
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@martinlindner @mdeimann ja, ben werdmuller. (von dem weiß ich überhaupt erst von diesen indieweb-aktivitäten.) (twitter.com/_/status/473802940629934080)
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@wurstundbrot RT @mdeimann: @martinlindner: Kennst du das schon? How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473806537186877441)
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GWG Good morning, #indiewebcamp
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 50 minutes ago: I include replies in my main composite feed (e.g. on my home page)
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 39 minutes ago: See also http://indiewebcamp.com/composite_stream#IndieWeb_Examples and see what people are doing on their composite streams re: replies vs. other types (like check their sites directly, not just what the page says)
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@VSChawathe RT @withknown: "The era of Facebook is an anomaly. The idea of everybody going to one site is just weird." http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/13/5488558/danah-boyd-interview-the-era-of-facebook-is-an-anomaly #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473814364282056704)
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GWG tantek reads everything in here, it seems
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GWG acegiak, pfefferle either of you around to bounce a thought off?
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pfefferle jep, bounce it ;)
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GWG Well, yesterday, I decided to pick up my Indieweb Custom Post Type work that I'd be fiddling with on and off.
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GWG And I dumped half of it out the window
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GWG I think I figured out how to get it down to just one custom post type
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GWG And I'm trying to figure out if I'm missing something before I work on it then throw it out the window again
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pfefferle do you have something to look at?
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petermolnar I'm interested as well
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GWG I have the plugin I wrote activated on my testing site.
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GWG It creates a custom post type in Wordpress called Notes. It then adds a custom taxonomy called Kinds (Types was a reserved word) and sets up the post meta box to only allow one kind to be chosen at a time.
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GWG Creating new types, as it is in reality like a tag, is done by the site user.
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GWG That means that adding a new type/kind of note would not require anything in the plugin, but only on the theme side, in terms of action.
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GWG On the theme side, the theme, not yet built, would check the custom taxonomy and add the class: u-in-reply-to, u-repost-of, u-like-of to the appropriate link.
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GWG I'm trying to come up with the simplest implementation and usage possible, with the most flexibility, due to my tendency to change my mind.
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GWG I'm trying to think if there is anything anyone can think of about that implementation before I started building on the barebones code I already have.
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pfefferle GWG I think you understand u-like-of wrong
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GWG Quite possible. How so?
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pfefferle you don’t mark up ”žlikes“ with it, but likes you receive viw for example webmention
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GWG pfefferle: This is for liking something of someone else's, which would send a webmention, not receive one.
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pfefferle then u-like-of is wrong
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GWG Not according to the wiki.
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GWG "To post a "like", the post's h-entry MUST hyperlink to the permalink of the thing that is being liked, with class="u-like-of"."
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pfefferle yes, but only the link
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pfefferle not the whole post
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GWG Yes
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GWG That would be what the taxonomy would do in some cases.
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pfefferle but why do you need a custom post type for that?
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pfefferle will the post type search for all links and add the class ”žu-like-of“ ?
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GWG The Custom Post Type is actually for Notes in its entirely.
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pfefferle ok
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pfefferle to encapsulate notes from the ”žnormal“ posts
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GWG Yes
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pfefferle and how do you add the semantics to the link?
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GWG And then use the custom taxonomy to specify a kind of note. Such as a reply.
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GWG Well, I was looking at posting UIs
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pfefferle you have a UI where you can type in urls?
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GWG pfefferle: Exactly
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pfefferle ok
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pfefferle sonds good
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GWG The idea is to be simple and changeable.
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pfefferle and the ”žreply“ note has a UI for links that will be marked up as u-in-reply-of?
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GWG The UI would be the same. All you need is a post meta box for the URL that will have the action on it.
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GWG The action performed on the meta box is based on the custom taxonomy.
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petermolnar so: custom post type, "notes", with all the webmention possibilities as taxonomy, every note would have a url field and the join of the url field and the taxonomy results the semantic link, right?
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GWG petermolnar: Correct. And the absence of a URL field indicates a plain old note
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petermolnar sounds good
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petermolnar everything else I can come up with ends up more complicated and less centralized in structure
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GWG petermolnar: The first 4 ideas were more complicated and less centralized
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petermolnar although some javascript hiding/showing custom meta fields might come handy depending on the taxonomy
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GWG I thought this idea up yesterday morning
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petermolnar ( on the admin UI I mean )
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pfefferle GWG that was the intention I had for the reply context plugin, but for every post and not only for custom post types
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GWG pfefferle: I know. But, the goal was to keep the post type, the default Wordpress type, basically unchanged as the 'article' type.
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pfefferle GWG I understand your thoughts, I started similar with the webmentions plugin
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pfefferle I added a ”žreply“ post type in one of the first versions
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pfefferle to hide them from the main page
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pfefferle I am curious about the final plugin!
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GWG pfefferle: The reason I finally decided to separate them was categories.
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GWG A note shouldn't have a category. It should be limited to tags.
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GWG But an article can support categories.
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GWG pfefferle: We'll see if I get to final status
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pfefferle I hope so!
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GWG Or at least...releasable status
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pfefferle I am curious about the taxonomy/semantics/post-type structure
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pfefferle can you point me to your test-site or is it local?
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GWG petermolnar summed it up pretty well. The semantics are in a custom taxonomy and act on the optional URL field.
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GWG I test everything on tiny.n9n.us
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GWG But all I have so far is one test of the CPT.
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GWG http://tiny.n9n.us/note/kind/reply/
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pfefferle to sum it up: i think it is a pretty good, simple and stright forward idea… I would go with it…
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GWG I was working on the archive permalinks when I left off yesterday
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GWG pfefferle: That was what I was trying to figure out. If it is simple and straight forward. Because I have a tendency to overcomplicate and end up having to simplify later
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pfefferle I am very similiar, but I don’t think that is a bad way to do something
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GWG No. But if possible, I'd like to get it closer to right the first time.
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pfefferle it is a good feeling if you end up with half of the previous code in the end ;)
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GWG So, next step, the link post meta box.
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GWG Also need to look up how people pre-populate a taxonomy
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pfefferle what do you mean with ”žpre-populate“?
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pfefferle GWG is mf2_bootstrap your work?
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@xtof_fr RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/473829294561820672)
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GWG Prepopulate with terms. So the common ones are in on activation.
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GWG As for mf2_bootstrap yes but I just started it.
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GWG I used bootstrap in my live site theme.
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GWG I want to use what I learned to build a barebones mf2 bootstrap theme I can use as a base for future development
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GWG pfefferle, why do you ask?
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pfefferle just curious :)
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GWG Part of the design is inspired by what you do every time I submitted an issue.
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GWG I'm putting in template parts that can be overridden in a child theme
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pfefferle nice!
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GWG Have you seen my main site?
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vanderwal Loqi thanks for the share of BenWerd's piece
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Loqi is done
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pfefferle GWG sure
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GWG I'll be rolling in the entry Metadata styling I used there.
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GWG But I want to make it easy to rearrange the order and top/bottom placement
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kylewm vanderwal: Loqi is a bot, if you wondering about his cryptic response :)
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GWG Hi, kylewm. Where were you flying?
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aaronpk would love to get some feedback on this from anyone who's thinking about archiving lots of continuous data http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/01/1/long-term-archiving-of-gps-logs
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Loqi tantek: adactio left you a message 4 hours, 52 minutes ago: Thanks, I've fixed that bug in my webmention code—it was an issue with trailing slashes (or lack of) in the target URL.
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tantek adactio great! happy to help find bugs in ACME :)
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tantek is just going to keep calling it ACME until adactio open sources the Adactio Content Management Engine :D
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GWG Hello, tantek.
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tantek good morning GWG!
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tantek the replies in feeds question / discussion is a really good one!
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tantek no obvious answer
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tantek it's a fascinating design challenge
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tantek BTW speaking of composite feeds
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tantek really like the ultra-simple/minimal design of how adactio added notes to his composite feed on adactio.com. Reads really well on mobile and desktop.
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GWG tantek, I think if I do put it in it will be styled differently/distinctly.
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GWG I like how he's combining the day's entries with a header.
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tantek It's a nice clustering when you're as prolific as he is
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tantek when you don't post every day (ahem ;) ) then it just looks kinda awkward when days are missing ;)
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@thedatahive MT @erinjo: I'm hoping that as we create @withknown we build a product that is accessible and we share knowledge. http://stream.withknown.com/2014/working-to-bridge-the-indieweb-knowledge-gap?utm_content=buffercfa61&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/473845098355359744)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: RE your long-term data ideas, I like the idea of line-separated JSON
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GWG tantek: We should all be so active
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barnabywalters aaronpk: it has some of the advantages of CSV without many of the disadvantages
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barnabywalters aaronpk: also you mention reordering a lot — is that something you typically have to do often with your data?
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tantek re-ordering?
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barnabywalters http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/01/1/long-term-archiving-of-gps-logs
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bear aaronpk - I've been chewing on your data storage idea. IMO machine readable trumps size and efficiency because any changes are but a python script away. Conversion can happen via a mini-api if you do something like GeoYaml file for each day and a structured directory layout.
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tantek nice post aaronpk
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bear who is bear
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Loqi Bear is an Operations engineer living near Philadelphia, PA http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bear.im
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bear \o/
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bear chuckles at how the simple things makes him happy
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GWG why is bear happy?
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GWG No, didn't work
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bear :)
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tantek what has bear done lately?
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tantek that didn't work either (maybe could show edits from past 48 hours, at most 5?)
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tantek or show pages edited from last 48 hours, at most 5 pages (often people edit the same page several times in a row).
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tantek !tell aaronpk nice post http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/01/1/long-term-archiving-of-gps-logs - could add some of it to /database-antipattern. Also consider ordinal days for filenames 001-366.json to avoid extra month folders. And s/+0000/Z
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk I'll be bringing that Logitech camera with me on the road - hoping we can do video sharing between NYC and PDX at least at this Wednesday's HWC meetup!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG is poolside
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@john_d_mann RT @kevinmarks: "@qz: Apple took another step towards obscuring the way the web works http://t.co/MEEcGODPoV" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473874379999543297)
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 12 minutes ago: nice post http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/01/1/long-term-archiving-of-gps-logs - could add some of it to /database-antipattern. Also consider ordinal days for filenames 001-366.json to avoid extra month folders. And s/+0000/Z
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 6 minutes ago: I'll be bringing that Logitech camera with me on the road - hoping we can do video sharing between NYC and PDX at least at this Wednesday's HWC meetup!
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barnabywalters morning aaronpk
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aaronpk tantek: I prefer to use month folders since they are more human-readable
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aaronpk will try to switch it to Z instead of +0000 tho
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aaronpk that'll save a few bytes per record too :)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: regarding re-ordering, I think I was thinking about that because of how likely I am to insert data out of order
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aaronpk under normal circumstances it'll all come in in order, but after my phone has been offline for a while like on an airplane, there's a large batch to upload
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tantek aaronpk, but think of saving 12 folders *per year*! :)
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tantek plus, Gregorian, I mean, really? ;)
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aaronpk humans first!
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tantek for archival, I'm thinking of future humans
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aaronpk heh
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tantek who have dropped accidental anachronisms like uneven Gregorian months
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tantek nevermind the whole February leap year oddity
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tantek this way you only have to deal with timezone relative day windows on year boundaries, rather than oddly shaped month boundaries
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@carlesbellver How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open Open follows closed. (twitter.com/_/status/473880184727539712)
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tantek which simplifies the code to both write and read from the archives
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aaronpk all valid points
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aaronpk i'm having a really tough time justifying the lack of human-readability of the archives tho for myself
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tantek plus even a 6 year old can do the ISO ordinal date math in their head
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aaronpk really?
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aaronpk has not trained himself on that yet
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tantek yes, my 6 year old nephew can now do it in his head and tell me the ISO date. key is to practice from the beginning of the year (when it is easier).
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aaronpk i've had the ISO date on my watch for almost a year now I think
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aaronpk but still don't have a good sense
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aaronpk today is 2014-154
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aaronpk all I can think is "about half way through the year"
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tantek aaronpk, there's a chunking trick that helps
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@jdevoo Mass adoption as antipattern https://indiewebcamp.com/antipatterns #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473883389746229248)
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tantek nice out of context summary there ^^^. :P
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tantek more like *designing* for mass adoption *up front* as antipattern
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GWG Anyone using Bridgy for publishing?
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tantek hmm, his bio contains "Architect" and <1k followers. Not bothering to reply.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: me
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rascul.io uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:rascul and his dog.jpg]]""
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GWG KartikPrabhu, does it handle photo posts?
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KartikPrabhu ooo never tried that sorry
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GWG It isn't mentioned in the literature
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KartikPrabhu tantek: hey I have <1k followers too!
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tantek benwerd, we need a "Fatberg Index" measurement for sentences/bios. E.g. presence of Fatbergish words/phrases like "solution", "architect", "management science"
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: you don't call yourself an architect :)
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KartikPrabhu synergy
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GWG I
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: maybe I should ;) "synergetic architect and thinker of the Web"
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KartikPrabhu GWG: i vaguely remember talking to snarfed about photo posts, but I don't know what happened of it
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shaners would someone PLEASE think of the web!?
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GWG called myself a polymath and still regret it
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KartikPrabhu GWG: you can always change it :P
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GWG I am still thinking
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tantek what aaronpk said. plus, KartikPrabhu you have creator keywords like "make, build, code, design, write, paint" each of those is like a multiplier :)
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tantek also - Twitter is just a secondary distribution mechanism for you - who knows how many total followers you have of all your indieweb published content!
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GWG How about loaf?
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KartikPrabhu "1 milliiiean followers"!
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I actually don't know. I refuse to have analytics and keep track of page views
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GWG "Expert in procrastination!"
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tantek same here! I don't see the value in making users load some random 3rd party JS that will often just hang (i.e. google analytics)
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tantek like - what's the use-case? (for someone not "monetizing" their site)
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KartikPrabhu yup. what about "SEO"? jk jk ;)
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GWG ranted, same as quantified self
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tantek before doing any client analytiscs JS nonsense I'd first want something that helped auto-warn me of bad bot activity, speaking of which
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tantek (bad bot activity per http logs)
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shaners a small one is to know when to increase your server resources (if you consistently get a grip of traffic)
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tantek shaners - YAGNI - http logs sufficient for that
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shaners but i guess, you could do that server side
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shaners right
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tantek in general, loading JS wastes a lot of time and makes a lot of sites just plain suck on the web
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KartikPrabhu GWG: maybe add your request for photo support here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/85
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tantek it's one of the ways we can outdo the silos - we can all be a lot faster on our indie sites = more readers who read more
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gRegor` what is YAGNI?
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shaners http://lmgtfy.com/?q=yagni
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gRegor` Yet Another Something Something
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GWG tantek, sometimes it is necessary
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gRegor` :P
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tantek GWG - I do not accept that assertion without a concrete use-case.
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KartikPrabhu JS should never be "necessary"
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tantek also, JS should *never* be necessary. everything should fall back to server-side support.
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tantek KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 30 karma
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KartikPrabhu :D finally I beat tantek to the punchline :P
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tantek :)
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rascul i use as little js as i can
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KartikPrabhu I am guilty of using JS in one case, for rendering math. Only FF support MathML
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GWG tantek, I don't even know JS
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GWG But can you do everything you might want to without it?
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tantek Can you do everything you might want to with your lifetime?
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GWG I tried to do sharing to silos and they don't support it, which is not my fault
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tantek (^^^ brief proof of "can you do everything you might want to" being a poor rhetorical methodology)
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GWG tantek, will get back to you on that when I'm done
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@milesparker RT @jdevoo: Mass adoption as antipattern https://indiewebcamp.com/antipatterns #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473887462834864129)
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tantek what is YAGNI?
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Loqi YAGNI is an abbreviation for You Aren't Gonna Need It, which itself is essentially a rephrasing of Occam's razor http://indiewebcamp.com/YAGNI
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GWG The web seems to be moving toward HTML5 and client side though
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tantek in terms of hype about the web? yes. in terms of the searchable, discoverable, long web? HTML5 yes. clientside, no.
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rascul js can be good for doing nifty things for the user experience but i hate when sites rely on it
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rascul on my laptop i'm often browsing in links, the sites that require js are unusable for me then
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tantek even more so on mobile devices/connections
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gRegor` tantek: since the wiki is public domain, that means we can't upload logos, correct? Like the Twitter logo/icon.
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gRegor` I wanted to put a little "t" icon by my twitter name, but realized I probably can't.
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rascul yeah i've noticed on my phone some sites (even mobile ones) are made unusable from the js
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tantek gRegor`: correct. But you can transclude them.
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GWG Note to self, check out site in text browser
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rascul :)_
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rascul oh the _ was my fat fingers
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gRegor` Hotlink it from another site, you mean?
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aaronpk man flickr search has gotten really bad lately
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shaners man flickr has gotten really bad lately
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tantek too much JS
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tantek gRegor`: like that ^^^
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tantek speaking of - really shouldn't have uploaded the WordPress logo. ahem.
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gRegor` That's what I thought you meant. Where'd you find that size of the logo? I'm poking around Twitter's branding site and can't find other than the huge one.
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tantek twitter.com/twitter :D
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tantek replace 400x400 with 200x200 and it works
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gRegor` Ohh. Smart. :)
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KartikPrabhu GWG: http://line-mode.cern.ch/www/proxy?url=http://david.shanske.com/ :P
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gRegor` Found what I wanted: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2284174758/v65oai7fxn47qv9nectx_normal.png
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tantek yeah _normal works also
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shaners how does one delete a file from the wiki?
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shaners namely: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:wordpress_logo.png
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tantek shaners, by asking as such, especially with keyword "adminhelp"
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shaners got it
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tantek thanks for fixing /WordPress shaners!
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shaners np
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tantek gRegor`: see also: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Profile_Image_URLs
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gRegor` Good to know. Yeah, I was worried about this image URL breaking.
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tantek it probably will
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tantek it's on a silo
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aaronpk :)
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bret aaronpk are the btsync backups realtime?
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tantek very nice post benwerd! http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open
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aaronpk bret: every 5 minutes it copies changes into the folder that's managed by btsync
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GWG Anyone have an alternative to HTML5 geolocation?
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rascul i did notice my btsync stuff is constantly being updated
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tantek GWG there's IP based geolocation but it's quite rough and often wrong
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rascul ip geo is not accurate
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GWG So, would you suggest I stick to the HTML5 geolocation then?
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tantek there really should have been an <input type="geo"/> that when submitted would do the same "Do you want to share your location with this website?" dance, but require zero JS to send a geo coordinates package (lat, long, alt, error radius) to the server.
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bret GWG i think html5 geo accuracy depends on what your device can do
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tantek right, it's the best there is right now on the web platform for geo location
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shaners tantek aaronpk : adminhelp. please delete my logo/avatar http://indiewebcamp.com/File:Shane-Becker-iamshane.com-avatar.png
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shaners thanks
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aaronpk yw
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shaners tantek: why are you using https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/423350922408767488/nlA_m2WH.jpeg (SILO) instead of http://tantek.com/photo.jpg (SELF) on http://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek ?
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tantek shaners - silo bandwidth instead of mine
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shaners hmmm
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shaners tantek-- ;)
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Loqi tantek has 41 karma
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GWG I just want a box in my post UI for it. Everything wants the map part too
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aaronpk tantek: send a temporary redirect from tantek.com/silo-photo.jpg :)
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aaronpk then you're only serving the http request instead of the photo
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bret tantek started playing with cloud flair's free service. i think it caches images and saves bw. i know it does with css and stuff
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tantek given that I've hit bandwidth caps 3 out of the past 12 months, it's a real problem that I'm taking small steps to take care of.
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shaners aaronpk that's pretty clever
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gRegor` Set up http://indiewebcamp.com/Template:twitter-link if anyone wants to include a twitter link with the twitter icon beside it.
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bret all it takes is switching dns name servers and resetting up some dns entries
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tantek still need to post about that
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gRegor` Example on http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com
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shaners tantek do you how much your self hosted avatar served to the IWC wiki was contributing to your overage?
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tantek no idea but I've started to switch any 3rd party serving (which I have no control over) to not use anything embedded from my site
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aaronpk tantek: what do you think about the 302 redirect idea?
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tantek seems workable, might try that
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rascul oh on the wiki, i should link to my avatar on rascul.io instead of sucking up wiki bandwidth?
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rascul i can do that i have plenty of bandwidths
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aaronpk the wiki has plenty of bandwidths, don't worry about it :)
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rascul ok
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aaronpk i'm always at like 10% of my bandwidth limit every month
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rascul oh wow i got you and tantek mixed up
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tantek part of the point (for my own website) is to *not* use a solution that requires a high monthly cost hosting solution
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rascul good job rascul
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tantek I'd rather run into the "low" cost ($10/mo) hosting solution problems and solve them so that others can also run their own website at that cost point.
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shaners tantek what's your bandwidth allotment per month that you're going over?
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tantek needs to write that up
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tantek I'm using EmpowerMedia as my web host FWIW.
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tantek er, Empowering Media
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@lucas_gonze indietech (.org), personal-clouds (.org), indiewebcamp (.com): zeitgeist. (twitter.com/_/status/473899941421539328)
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tantek that tweet makes no sense
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aaronpk what does that mean
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KartikPrabhu synergy
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rascul why not just type the domain normally, what with the () stuff
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tantek ok that's funny, his webiste gonze.com redirects to gonze.com/rel-me/ - props for good sense of humor
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rascul doesn't understand
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tantek rascul - the () stuff avoids linking and t.co wrapping it
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tantek if he'd typed the domain normally - you wouldn't have seen it
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tantek you would see 3 t.co URLs
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rascul ahh ok
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rascul understands
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tantek at the $10/mo. price point btw, Empowering Media provides *excellent* customer service, - very fast (<30min) response time on critical issues.
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tantek and frankly, that aspect, good customer service, is I think one of the #1 things to look for in a web host, and a way you can have better control, reliability, trust than any silo.
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rascul i got the $5 one from digitalocean
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shaners tantek: I'm sure that you and I have different page views on our personal sites. but i'm using S3 + Cloudfront (AWS CDN) for all of DateEdge.com and paying less than $5 / month.
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rascul some people might be able to use heroku or openshift for free
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tantek well let me know when you have critical customer service incidents you can document response times for
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shaners tan tek: i'm not picking a fight. i'm just comparing notes.
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shaners slow your roll, bro
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tantek hey - assume good intentions, you brought up "fight" bro ;)
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tantek I'm merely asking for more documentations
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tantek also, I think that might be the first time anyone has --'d a person in the channel, and were it not directed at me, I might have explicitly have to ask you to stop, even in a joking way. (;) or not)(
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tantek shaners, document your experience with Cloudfront here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Cloudfront
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gRegor` tantek: I updated /Loqi yesterday with commands and included a note about it not usually being used on usernames and "Be nice to each other."
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tantek then link to /Cloudfront from /web_hosting
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tantek thanks gRegor`
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shaners tantek: i'm still curious how much your bandwidth for sub $10
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tantek noted. go ahead and document your good experience with Cloudfront in the mean time since it seems like you have a better solution for less.
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shaners do you not want to say?
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tantek don't know offhand, focused on other things right now
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shaners ok. thanks for saying that.
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tantek so since your solution is cheaper / better apparently, you should document that first rather than worrying otherwise
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shaners tantek i'll document my experience, but i can't begin to know if it's better/cheaper since i don't know what your numbers are. which if you're too busy right now, i understand. if you don't want to share them at all, that's fine too.
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shaners is everyone/anyone working on a sprint to IWC PDX/NY to have something cool and new to demo?
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petermolnar a bit off-topic, but in case someone want european dedicated servers: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
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petermolnar s/want/wants
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: a bit off-topic, but in case someone wants european dedicated servers: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
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tantek petermolnar: are you using them yourself for your own website?
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petermolnar yes
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rascul i looked at those recently
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tantek awesome! can you help document here? indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting
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petermolnar ( also hosting some friends and relatives' + mail + dev + backup server with lxc containers )
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rascul i need something in north america, i likely get one from soyoustart.com in due time
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petermolnar yep, I'll put my experiences there
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tantek thanks petermolnar!
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snarfed FYI all, we're doing SF HWC at Quip this week, 988 Market @ 6th, 7th floor. i'm off to update event posts, tweet, etc now.
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aaronpk snarfed: great! do you have a good camera setup there?
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snarfed apologies for the very late notice. we'll get it figured out much earlier next time, promise!
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snarfed aaronpk: not really, right now same as last time, but i'll see what i can do!
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aaronpk snarfed: a camera like this works great http://loqi.me/asin/B006JH8T3S
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snarfed aaronpk: thanks! i think the biggest problem last time was the low FOV, since the room is narrow. i'll see if this camera has a wider FOV
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aaronpk a bigger problem is the audio
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aaronpk laptop mics are designed to pick up voice at a short distance, and explicitly designed to avoid picking up room noise
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snarfed aaronpk: got it, good tip, thanks
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snarfed aaronpk, just checking…we won't be able to do the 5:30 writing hr at quip, unfortunately. are you still going to do it at esri?
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aaronpk hm I was planning on it
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snarfed great, you still should!
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aaronpk actually I'm curious how that went in SF last time
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aaronpk in PDX it was a little tough because a bunch of new people came and we could only do brief "hi hello" intros to keep the noise level down
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snarfed yeah, good point
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snarfed i wasn't there for the SF one
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snarfed feel free to update that if you don't want to do it in pdx this week
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/11500459/245240695666040/11500459 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@kevinmarks @CleverClogs the Indie Web wiki page is most comprehensive http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/473925786840203264)
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snarfed aaronpk: are you one of the @indiewebcamp owners? want to post the official tweet about tomorrow's HWC, now that we know the SF venue?
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snarfed not sure if tantek's trying to do NYC too, if we want to wait for that
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aaronpk ah yeah I heard a rumor! but nothing on the wiki yet
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kylewm aaronpk: the logistics with new people were a little awkward in sf too imo
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kylewm "hi welcome now please sit down and be quiet" :)
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snarfed kylewm: heh
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@CleverClogs With a grateful hat tip to @KevinMarks, here's what he considers the most comprehensive resource about #Fragmentions http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/473927383616323584)
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aaronpk any suggestions on how that could work better?
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adactio snarfed: I just opened an issue on Github — I'm trying to figure out why brid.gy is reporting "No webmention support" for my URLs. Something I did? :-)
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snarfed adactio: good question! i'll look soon
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snarfed sorry for the trouble!
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adactio snarfed: No trouble at all! And thank you — brid.gy is pretty amazing.
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snarfed aww thanks!
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tantek kylewm - apologies for the awkwardness! hope we can do better in the future. appreciate any specific suggestions (both for reducing awkwardness, and helping new folks feel more welcome)
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tantek snarfed thanks for getting Quip setup for HWC SF!
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snarfed tantek: np! sorry it took so long. we'd really hoped to get a space where we could do the writing hr
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snarfed hopefully next time
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tantek I hear you - makes sense
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kylewm tantek: nothing to apologize for! i liked the writing time, and nobody told me to be quiet (that's just my normal state ;)
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tantek oh oh - being told to be quiet during the writing time - ok phew
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tantek I thought that impression was given during the meetup itself
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kylewm nooo, not at all
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kylewm aaron had said that writing hour was a little awkward in Portland when new folks showed up and they couldn't welcome them effusively
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kylewm was just agreeing
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@Cris2B Beyond Facebook! How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open via OLDaily #bookhenge (twitter.com/_/status/473933973656043520)
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aaronpk I like the idea of it, but is definitely hard to be super welcoming to new people
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kylewm at Mozilla SF, it may be easier to head them off over by the door... PDX looks a bit more intimate
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@KPMPhaidros People-focused alternative 2 the 'corporate web' #indieweb by @benwerd http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open cf. http://hackeducation.com/2014/04/25/domain-of-ones-own-incubator-emory/ via @oldaily (twitter.com/_/status/473937127172886530)
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@SeanGConnor This seems good: @withknown working toward a truly #indieweb. H/t @oldaily (twitter.com/_/status/473937755597070338)
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: I'm not necessarily planning on the writing our for HWC tomorrow. Were you?
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gRegor` s/our/hour/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: KartikPrabhu: I'm not necessarily planning on the writing hour for HWC tomorrow. Were you?
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KartikPrabhu not really...
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gRegor` Ok
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bnvk benward: I was trying to promote using IndieWeb tech like @withknown to a music artist agency today. I couldn't quite get the pitch down right- data ownership, better social connections… they said "well Bitly & Facebook Insights gives me more data than I know what to do with"
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aaronpk bnvk: you probably mean benwerd :)
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KartikPrabhu bnvk: maybe "owning and controlling your content" is better wording than "data ownership"
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KartikPrabhu I think data = analytic data in people's mind
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: I'll be writing up my svg icons thing today anyway. And I don't think I can write anything useful in an hour :)
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bnvk aaronpk: dah, sorry benward, yes, I mean benwerd… I need sleep, badly
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bnvk !tell benwerd I was trying to promote using IndieWeb tech like @withknown to a music artist agency today. I couldn't quite get the pitch down right- data ownership, better social connections… they said "well Bitly & Facebook Insights gives me more data than I know what to do with"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` Is this still a to-do? "Add Login / Register on top left of nav bar, so it's easier to find." http://indiewebcamp.com/2014#to-do aaronpk
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gRegor` At first I was thinking of actually including a login form there, but then I thought maybe it was just adding "Log In" to the top menu, which is already done.
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gRegor` A login box / "You are logged in as..." could be nice though. Directly below the logo maybe.
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j12t bnvk: interesting re artist agency. why did you think they would be interested? (just curious)
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bnvk j12t: well, it was specifically an electronica musician agency, I think from a "content" standpoint there is some value in artist websites having a "community" feel to it
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j12t the community being “theirs” as opposed to facebooks?
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@blacklightllc Interesting data privacy trend #ownyourdata @MarketWatchPF 12,000 Europeans want to be erased from Internet existence http://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-gets-20-right-to-be-forgotten-requests-a-minute-2014-05-30?link=sfmw_sm (twitter.com/_/status/473948079414992896)
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Loqi benwerd: bnvk left you a message 30 minutes ago: I was trying to promote using IndieWeb tech like @withknown to a music artist agency today. I couldn't quite get the pitch down right- data ownership, better social connections… they said "well Bitly & Facebook Insights gives me more data than I know what to do with"
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@blacklightllc Game-changer #ownyourdata @TechCrunch Google To Launch Easy-To-Use Chrome Plug-In For Email Encryption http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/03/google-plans-to-launch-an-easy-to-use-chrome-plug-in-for-email-encryption-soon/ @fredericl (twitter.com/_/status/473950097567252480)
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@benwerd A Domain of One's Own is an incredibly important edtech initiative. http://hackeducation.com/2014/04/25/domain-of-ones-own-incubator-emory/ #indieweb /via @audreywatters (twitter.com/_/status/473951019378823169)
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KartikPrabhu ha! ownyourdata and Google in the same sentence!
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@paddyforan RT @benwerd: A Domain of One's Own is an incredibly important edtech initiative. http://hackeducation.com/2014/04/25/domain-of-ones-own-incubator-emory/ #indieweb /via @audreywatters (twitter.com/_/status/473952017824501760)
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GWG That's weird.
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GWG A like on Facebook was interpreted as a mention.
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GWG Will have to see what changes happened.
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aaronpk hm it occurs to me that KevinMarks and benwerd sharing these links and adding the #indieweb hashtag in order to have it appear in this channel is basically like submitting to indienews
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@dariusdunlap RT @benwerd: A Domain of One's Own is an incredibly important edtech initiative. http://hackeducation.com/2014/04/25/domain-of-ones-own-incubator-emory/ #indieweb /via @audreywatters (twitter.com/_/status/473957173135831041)
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tantek bnvk - sounds like you're trying to skip 2+ generations ;)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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tantek linguistically you may find it difficult to communicate about "indieweb" with anyone more than 1 generation away
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tantek you're gen 1 (like most of us), and likely to have more luck onboarding gen 2 folks
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tantek who are more likely to have more success knowing how to communicate to gen 3+
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tantek and so on
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tantek this isn't my assertion - it's documentation in /generations - Amber expands upon it more there
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tantek !tell tommorris I'm guessing/deducing that this http://tommorris.org/posts/8154 is your first note published from your personal site using Ferocity (earlier notes being the result of importing silo archives), please correct me if I'm wrong: http://indiewebcamp.com/note#Tom_Morris
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris Possibly tantek, will look soon
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 28 seconds ago: I'm guessing/deducing that this http://tommorris.org/posts/8154 is your first note published from your personal site using Ferocity (earlier notes being the result of importing silo archives), please correct me if I'm wrong: http://indiewebcamp.com/note#Tom_Morris
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