#indiewebcamp 2014-06-04

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aaronpk second immediate use case for updates in micropub: adding tags to post
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tantek aaronpk - not just editing a post? that would seem to be most common
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@kevinmarks "@sukhjit: Want to comment on a Huffington Post article? You’ll need to use Facebook now http://t.co/wHkEwDtUdu" or your own site #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473988523456860161)
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tantek sure reads like a site death of sorts
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tantek http://www.niemanlab.org/2014/06/want-to-comment-on-a-huffington-post-article-youll-need-to-use-facebook-now/
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tantek awaits another Tragedy of the Comments article from KevinMarks
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/share/2014/06/04/1 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-03/line/1401834092 (webmention)
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acegiak GWG: so you're creating a custom post type for indieweb posts?
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GWG Would appear so.
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GWG Did you have any thoughts about it?
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acegiak GWG: well I'm super interested because the way I do it at the moment is a bit hack-y
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acegiak I just have asides with metadata tacked on
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GWG So is mine. I use the full range of post formats
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acegiak so an aside might have any combination of a context-url, a context-textblock, a context-like
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acegiak and the post itself might or might not have any content which is considered a comment if a context exists
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GWG The design that I finally thought up yesterday leaves more in the hands of the user.
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acegiak documented the design so I could look? (i understand if you haven't bothered putting pen to paper)
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GWG It is basically a custom post type called note. The post type has a custom taxonomy called kind
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acegiak are you allowing a not to be more than one kind?
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GWG No. But I understand that is controversial
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acegiak hmm ok
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GWG It would only take removing one line to allow it
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GWG And it supports adding additional kibds
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GWG I need to set up prepopulation
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acegiak kibds?
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GWG kinds
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GWG typo
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acegiak also: what does the one line do that prevents it? surely it's important if it's there at all?
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acegiak oh, kinds
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acegiak right
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acegiak I'm just thinking if I'm gonna change my structure I may as well make it work with other people's stuff
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KartikPrabhu svg icons live on the site! w00t! now to write a how-to
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Loqi giggles
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GWG acegiak: Other people's stuff?
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acegiak GWG: well it would be nice if the wordpress indieweb people all agreed on how to store indieweb type posts in wordpress systems
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GWG Doesn't seem likely.
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GWG acegiak: I'm trying to come up with something others might like, but I'm aware that I may be the only person using it
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GWG Which is possible. I don't think anyone adopted my first plugin
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acegiak GWG: yeah but we can try and find common ground
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GWG acegiak: That is what I want.
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GWG If there was something like post formats, but instead used indieweb post types like reply, repost, like, etc. hopefully people would go for it.
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acegiak I think my approach is to try and find the most wordpress-y way of doing it, which is what yours sounds like
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GWG That is what I'm hoping.
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GWG acegiak: What do you know about template parts?
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acegiak not much?
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acegiak for themes?
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tantek GWG, acegiak, if it helps, feel free to create a Brainstorming section on /WordPress and add your ideas about post types/kinds/formats
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tantek even ideas/thoughts in progress
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tantek even those you end up rejecting, as it helps document the paths you went down for other WordPress users who may walk down similar paths - you may save them time
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GWG acegiak: Yes.
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GWG tantek: Will do that
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tantek that way other WordPress users like snarfed etc. may document how they're posting all those different kinds of posts and maybe you can find some convergence
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GWG Snarfed uses categories.
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acegiak I have a category that covers all indieweb-tpye posts
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GWG acegiak: So, one category per type?
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GWG Reply, Like, etc?
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acegiak no, just one for all of them
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acegiak and then programmatically examine the existence or lack of metadata to display type when rendering
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GWG So, what does that look like in the UI?
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acegiak the category is just basically there so that when I edit those posts in the post editor, it knows to display the custom fields
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GWG So, you have the custom field editor open?
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acegiak hmm. my page on the wiki doesn't have anything on it. I should probably document my setup
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acegiak GWG: using a plugin called "advanced custom fields" to show custom metadata fields for thing in a given category
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GWG acegiak: I know it
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GWG acegiak: I may have enough to put up a repository next week.
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GWG I want to add two more pieces
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KartikPrabhu how do people refer to times and dates inside post content? "two days ago" or "2014-06-01" ? aaronpk I know you had a strong opinion on this wrt "fuzzy dates in posts"...
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acegiak I like 2014-06-04
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@palbion http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb - reclaiming our own space (twitter.com/_/status/474035490392641536)
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Absolute dates seems to be prevalent
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: even in the post content?
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KartikPrabhu like "two days ago I did so and so?
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acegiak KartikPrabhu: I generally assume that that's all just human readable only?
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acegiak cause making it semantic would be pointless because you can't interperet context etc?
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KartikPrabhu isn't the whole point of semantic to be easy to interpret in context?
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KartikPrabhu probably an abstract question at the moment :)
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: In posts I usually use relative date references. The post has a date, so it's not hard to deduce.
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gRegor` Unless it's farther out. I probably wouldn't say "three months ago" in a post. I'd just say the month.
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@notenoughneon Testing out posse to twitter. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/474073722312081409)
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@notenoughneon Here is a long note that should cause the eliding feature to kick in, adding a link to the original and ... #indieweb http://notenoughneon.com/p/201406032340 (twitter.com/_/status/474078128638160896)
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KartikPrabhu emmak: nice work POSSEing notes! :)
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emmak thanks!
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KartikPrabhu is it all done by your code? even the shortening?
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emmak yes its done by code and available on my github
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KartikPrabhu awesome... I should figure out how to do that automatically with python
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emmak https://github.com/notenoughneon/neonblog/blob/master/lib/twitter.php
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acegiak.net created /User:Acegiak.net (+233) "Creating page" (view diff)
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acegiak.net edited /User:Acegiak.net (+3734) "Indieweb Reply Workflow" (view diff)
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acegiak pfefferle: good morning!
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acegiak are you marking up indieweb replies etc manually on your site?
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tommorris odd. my personal site isn’t working from the office.
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pfefferle acegiak what exactly do you mean?
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pfefferle the markup (html+css) or the text?
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pfefferle the semantic-linkbacks plugin manages all the text stuff automatically and I haven’t any custom css… only the markup of my theme for posts and pingbacks…
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acegiak pfefferle, like if a post on your site is a reply to another indieweb post?
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@mapkyca Amusing time hacking together PuSH subscription support in Known, building on the distributed friend stuff. Actually not that hard #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/474135654176411648)
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pfefferle acegiak there is no markup yet…
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pfefferle for that case
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acegiak pfefferle: ah ok. that's what I was wondering
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acegiak GWG: reading the documentation for custom post types looks like they're not /intended/ for the kind of thing (extending default post types) that we're doing with reply posts etc
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acegiak.net edited /WordPress (+496) "Adding Brainstorming Section" (view diff)
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acegiak.net edited /WordPress (+15) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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acegiak.net edited /WordPress (+0) "fixing user markup" (view diff)
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GWG acegiak: Custom Post Types are intended for new forms of content though
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GWG A note is a new content type, different from a Post, which is more like an Article.
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acegiak a note is thr same as an aside
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acegiak which is a post
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GWG The alternative to having a second post type for notes is to just add a custom taxonomy to the post class.
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GWG An aside is a styling of a post.
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GWG As the idea is to separate content types that are currently together
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@palbion Diigo links 06/04/2014: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb reclaiming our ow... http://dralb.albion.id.au/?p=3881 (twitter.com/_/status/474181473566597120)
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GWG acegiak: A note as I defined it as a content post type is usually a response of some sort to an external URL. An aside as a post format is not. But once you've taken Reply, Like, Repost, etc out...you might as well take a standard note with it
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GWG I need to rewrite what I put in the /Wordpress page, as what I have there is an earlier thought I discarded.
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acegiak GWG: My concern is that there's so much existing wordpress functionality regarding regular posts that you throw away when you start using a custom post type
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acegiak i think that the core definition of a post still applies to indieweb notes but they just have extra data attached
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acegiak theyre both pieces of html content that have a fixed publish date
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acegiak i kind of see the integrated timeline as the priority
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GWG acegiak: Then you are suggesting a custom taxonomy attached to the post type
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GWG And I've gotten them into the standard loop without modification
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GWG acegiak: Let me develop the code a bit and we'll see if it addresses your concerns.
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acegiak GWG: the taxonomy idea of yours was the one i said i liked on the wiki page
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GWG Yes
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acegiak Yeah, that's cool. I'm just planning on doing something similar in the morning, creating a small plugin to set up the taxonomy etc
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acegiak and the concern i had with custom post types is more about other plugins etc. the main loop is vuilt to handle them but third party stuff would benefit from simplicity
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acegiak but yeah we should both just implement our stuff and then see what they look like next to each other
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petermolnar I'll probably implement a third approach: in creating TinyMCE buttons for reply/comment/rsvp/etc, like a URL insert but with the specified classes
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petermolnar ( I do not prefer custom post types unless it's something entirely different the articles, like venues, classified ads, etc., so I just want something easy :) )
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petermolnar searching for the post type vs post format argument: https://markjaquith.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/post-formats-vs-custom-post-types/
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petermolnar I agree with the post
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acegiak petermolnar: ah cool idea. wouldnt you then have to parse your own generated code to do things like send webmentions though?
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acegiak i suppose that would make for neat handling of multireplies though
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petermolnar yes, but there's already the webmentions plugin ready for that
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petermolnar as far as I'm aware
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acegiak yeah it does, you're right.
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petermolnar so I'll just extend that if needed
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acegiak Ffor some reason having that data stored internally only in the content markup makes me uncomfortable
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acegiak but its definitely the simplest approach
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acegiak i t
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acegiak hink i have some weird preconceptionsabout unity and purity of the post type that i need to re-evaluate
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acegiak i should sleep
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acegiak gn
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acegiak ight
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Loqi agreed.
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petermolnar although thinking a bit more about it
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petermolnar reply and comment are posts for sure
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petermolnar but like, rsvp, favourite might not be, and they might really need a custom post type
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petermolnar that's make sense
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petermolnar s/that's make/that makes
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@blacklightllc #ownyourdata @AccentureSocial: '80% of people think privacy in the digital world is a thing of the past' via @TheDrum http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/06/02/80-people-believe-total-privacy-digital-world-thing-past?sf26935768=1 (twitter.com/_/status/474198301059723269)
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: I don't know whats going on with the font in your about section: http://imgur.com/a/sldOq
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: referring to the “inherit” property?
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jonnybarnes and the fact it unbolds some of the words
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@roncentra Time for Brands to Build Their Own Social Sites http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/time-brands-build-their-own-social-sites-158038 #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/474201090481614849)
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@LloydDavis @Jason_Cobb yes or only put it in once you've already published on your site. What the #indieweb folk call POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/474202577488601088)
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barnabywalters !tell jonnybarnes RE font inherit behaviour, it’s because font is set to Georgia on body, so setting font: inherit on child elements inherits all the sub-properties of the font: shorthand, including weight
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi jonnybarnes: barnabywalters left you a message 39 minutes ago: RE font inherit behaviour, it’s because font is set to Georgia on body, so setting font: inherit on child elements inherits all the sub-properties of the font: shorthand, including weight
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GWG acegiak: I was out for a bit, and thinking about our discussion.
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GWG There is a way to implement posts with a custom taxonomy that would be similar to post formats in usage.
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GWG acegiak: But in doing it, you might want to disable post formats.
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GWG The two would conflict.
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gRegor` barnabywalters: I'm working on mf2-php and it's my first time using phpunit. I'm not sure if some of the paths are not correct or I just didn't use composer/phpunit correctly, but I had to adjust the relative path in tests/Mf2/bootstrap.php to the autoload.php
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gRegor` Once I altered it, I could run phpunit fine.
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barnabywalters gRegor`: screenshot of your folder layout?
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barnabywalters composer.phar and vendor/ should be at the same level as src/ and composer.json
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gRegor` composer.phar is located in my home/local/bin and I set up an alias. When i ran "composer update" in the destination directory I got everything fine, but it's in the tree ./vendor/mf2/mf2/tests/
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gRegor` Oops, scratch that. Yeah, let me just screenshot.
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barnabywalters good point, composer.phar can be wherever, but vendor/ needs to be in the right place
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gRegor` I have no "src", is that just the name of the root directory you're using?
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barnabywalters oops, make that “Mf2”
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barnabywalters I usually autoload from src/ but didn’t for php-mf2
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gRegor` barnabywalters: http://snag.gy/cIlXK.jpg I left out an "Mf2" in my text above, but it's all there. I run phpunit from vendor/mf2/mf2/
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gRegor` The readme refers to bin/phpunit, but that doesn't exist in the files.
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barnabywalters gRegor`: ah, so you installed php-mf2 as a dependency on another project to work on it?
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barnabywalters that will not work
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barnabywalters you need to actually clone the repo by itself rather than requiring it from a shell composer project
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gRegor` I set up a composer.json in test-mf2-php/ with "require" per the readme.
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gRegor` I'm working on an issue with implied dt-end and wanted to run the tests.
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barnabywalters gRegor`: the readme is installation instructions for *using* php-mf2. to actually work on it, you’ll need to clone the repo rather than installing it using compoer
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barnabywalters I’ll update the readme with a clarification
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@kevinmarks "@selenalarson: lets just all look the same, that’s the end goal right? #socialmedia http://t.co/zxaxrvjsy5" silos converge #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/474226219702288384)
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gRegor` Hmm. I'll take a look. Not sure I understand.
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barnabywalters gRegor`: updating the readme now
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gRegor` Ahh, I see now.
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gRegor` I wasn't thinking the composer version would use a different folder structure. Makes sense, though. It needs to.
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gRegor` Composer is pretty rad so far, though. And this finally got me to try PHPunit
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barnabywalters gRegor`: general rule of thumb is never edit anything in /vendor/
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@kevinmarks "@selenalarson: lets just all look the same, that’s the end goal right? #socialmedia http://t.co/lhlPy3pu8h" silos converge #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/474226875309371394)
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barnabywalters gRegor`: glad to hear you’re liking it!
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gRegor` Good to know. Thanks for the help.
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barnabywalters in an ideal world composer would install a packaged version of php-mf2 instead of the source and this confusion wouldn’t arise
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barnabywalters but in the meantime I’m writing up a step-by-step guide to making a PR
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gRegor` I have it cloned and I actually forget why I chose to go the composer route. I guess I thought it was more correct, for some reason. I'm familiar with pull requests though and will send once I've finished and tested.
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barnabywalters this is a good reason for me to clean up some of the failing tests too
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barnabywalters gRegor`: would https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/README.md#how-to-make-a-pull-request have clarified things sufficiently if it had existed before you started work?
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barnabywalters also, thanks so much for your work on php-mf2! It’s super to have more contributors
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gRegor` Ahh, likely so, yes. I think I remember why I tried the composer method. I had cloned the repo and was working on it, but it didn't have vendor/bin/phpunit, so I tried the composer method (which still didn't have it). I somehow overlooked the composer.json in the repo and never ran composer on the repo.
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gRegor` That was confusing to type, heh
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gRegor` vendor/bin/phpunit isn't strictly necessary if we have a version already installed, though, right?
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gRegor` By which I mean, can I clone the repo, put it on my server, make changes, and run tests?
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gRegor` Oops. Talking to a ghost. :)
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gRegor` !tell barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-04/line/1401899881
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@comzeradd "How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb" http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/474232384221876224)
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GWG !tell acegiak Here you are https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-taxonomy
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@JonathanQWalker How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open #web #internet #blogging #socialmedia #business #smallbiz (twitter.com/_/status/474241604707164160)
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jonnybarnes with micropub requests/tokens, is the client_id always a base url? i.e. could I set the client_id to http://example.com/app when requesting a token
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jonnybarnes aaronpk?
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jonnybarnes looking around it appears client_id can be anything
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@urivisa How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb - http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/474256735364849664)
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rascul anyone want keybase invite?
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gRegor` Sure, rascul
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rascul pm me email
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luxagraf Okay, I've got a basic little notes app put together and it pushes on to twitter. trying to work out how to truncate though. hard to truncate things without managling them.
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snarfed luxagraf: nice! yeah, it's tough. i usually shorten manually for that reason.
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luxagraf snarfed: that's what I'm leaning toward. anything else will inevitably suck. just need to work out how to make doing it by hand simple
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snarfed or just usually stick to <140 chars for notes even on your own site, so you only rarely have to shorten
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luxagraf snarfed: yes, but part of the reason I'm doing it myself is to not have a (now) arbitrary char limit.
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luxagraf snarfed: I even have a little check box in the admin to control whether the note even gets sent to twitter at all
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snarfed good!
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luxagraf snarfed: I guess in the end I'm more interested in giving myself a shortish, fast way to post notes to see if I might post more often with that.
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snarfed understood. maybe default the twitter checkbox to off then?
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luxagraf snarfed: yeah i did.
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tommorris Leaning towards removing web fonts and just having Helvetica. Because wasted bytes.
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: but webfonts are nice :)
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tommorris Minimalism.
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KartikPrabhu I was trying to show some SVG source code in HTML but <code><svg>...</svg></code> just shows the actual SVG instead of the code... any ideas?
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KartikPrabhu I thought everything inside <code> was auto escaped... is that not the case?
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snarfed1 aaronpk, you around? about to buy that webcam you recommended, but the box doesn't say anything about Mac os x compatibility
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snarfed1 do you know if it is?
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aaronpk snarfed: works great on a Mac!
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aaronpk snarfed1: ^
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snarfed1 aaronpk thanks!
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: No, only in <pre>
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gRegor` <code> just changes it to a monospace font
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rascul gRegor` /msg me your email so i can send you an invitte
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KartikPrabhu but i put <code><pre><svg></pre></code> and that didn't work either
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gRegor` Hm
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rascul s/invitte/invite/
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Loqi rascul meant to say: gRegor` /msg me your email so i can send you an invite
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rascul i been typing like crazy today
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rascul typoing...
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: I get a mixed-content warning on https://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog
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gRegor` pre worked for me there, KartikPrabhu^
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: the mixed-content is due to the avatars in the response. maybe I should start locally caching it. I'l play around with <pre> and show it to you at HWC if it still doesn't work :)
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gRegor` k
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gRegor` Feel free to edit that sandbox section
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KartikPrabhu what sandbox section?
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah that :P
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gRegor` Haha
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Loqi nice
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gRegor` yay!
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Loqi yay!
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gRegor` copycat
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gRegor` s/copycat/copybot/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: copybot
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rascul Loqi you're a copybot
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rascul was hoping for a response of some fashion :(
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gRegor` acegiak: If you add a <dfn> element around your name on your wiki user page, Loqi will respond with the first sentence to "who is acegiak"
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gRegor` Loqi spoke two things, and now must rest.
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rascul who is rascul
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Loqi Ray Schulz is a slacker who likes to make things http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rascul.io
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gRegor` Hehe, nice, rascul
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j12t Indie Box IRC channel: ##indiebox
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@eco_onis How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/474286513044217858)
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paulmunday.net edited /User:Paulmunday.net (+146) "dfn goodness" (view diff)
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snarfed j12t++
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Loqi j12t has 1 karma
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j12t too much karma, how can I handle this?
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rascul i think you're tied with me
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@pyxona Known: taking a big bet on the #indieweb http://adactio.com/links/6807/ (twitter.com/_/status/474301344002883584)
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@TeddyMatayoshi Known: taking a big bet on the #indieweb http://adactio.com/links/6807/ (twitter.com/_/status/474301344170659841)
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paulmunday.net edited /User:Paulmunday.net (+10) "previous location info" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks “[Apple] created simple tools that led users magically toward complexity without ever cramping their style” http://www.wordyard.com/2014/06/03/apple-leave-room-for-the-crazy-ones-the-misfits-the-rebels-wouldja/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/474304512467816449)
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rascul new safari gonna hide urls? doesn't chrome do that now? i find that ridiculous
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rascul for one, they'll be removing a stupidly simple way to identify a phishing attack
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@blacklightllc #ownyourdata “@EllnMllr: Why open data and accountability are not the same thing http://t.co/kz94I0c274” (twitter.com/_/status/474306466674118656)
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@bigdemonskull How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/474309733609127936)
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tantek j12t++ for persisiting with ##indiebox
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Loqi j12t has 2 karma
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tantek s/persisiting/persisting
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Loqi tantek meant to say: j12t++ for persisting with ##indiebox
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (+524) "/* Homebrew Website Club Meetup */ NYC see if I can make something happen!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (+185) "and NYC has a time and a place! and note optional quiet hour at top" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu at the HWC - Chicago... 13 minutes to go!
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acegiak ok im back
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 5 hours, 53 minutes ago: Here you are https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-taxonomy
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@t NYC last-minute plan by @j & me: Homebrew Website Club meetup NYC TONIGHT 20:30 Ace Hotel Lobby http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WR1) (twitter.com/_/status/474329990897860609)
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tantek and it's happening folks
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tantek for anyone in NYC - you heard it might happen - it is happening
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tantek 20:30 EDT Ace Hotel Lobby - first Homebrew Website Club meetup
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tantek in NYC
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tantek see you!
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@bear RT @t: NYC last-minute plan by @j & me: Homebrew Website Club meetup NYC TONIGHT 20:30 Ace Hotel Lobby http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WR1) (twitter.com/_/status/474330204434100225)
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acegiak I really need to remove my hilight on "ace" :P
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@J RT @t: NYC last-minute plan by @j & me: Homebrew Website Club meetup NYC TONIGHT 20:30 Ace Hotel Lobby http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WR1) (twitter.com/_/status/474330350072918016)
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acegiak the bells! the bells!
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acegiak GWG: oh cool. I'll have a fiddle with that
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@kuncorodwi9 RT @t: NYC last-minute plan by @j & me: Homebrew Website Club meetup NYC TONIGHT 20:30 Ace Hotel Lobby http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WR1) (twitter.com/_/status/474331716086030336)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox () "(-15828) /* SVG test */" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/474329990897860609/474330350072918016 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/474329990897860609/474330204434100225 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/474329990897860609/474331716086030336 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-04-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu https://kartikprabhu.com/article/inline-svg-icons why are the svg showing up as icon!? even though the code is inside a <pre>
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GWG acegiak: I decided to try it your way
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acegiak GWG: we can always apply the taxonomy to custom post types later?
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pdurbin KartikPrabhu: as icons? I'm not sure what you mean... you may need to give us a screenshot
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GWG acegiak: That was what I figured.
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GWG acegiak: I had some time to think.
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KartikPrabhu pdurbin: The thing is I am trying to show the source code of the svg but the source shows up as the actual image!
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pdurbin oh. I forget what you need to do. some CDATA thing maybe
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acegiak GWG: I think that the best answer is the one about just creating tinymce buttons for indieweb markup but for some reason that gives me the jibblies
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KevinMarks <pre> ?
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KartikPrabhu pdurbin: wait really? shouldn't <pre> just show raw code text
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acegiak I'd much rather the data be structured in the database
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: it is inside a <pre> already!
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acegiak in some way shape or form
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KevinMarks I see noting inside the <code> using inspect element
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gRegor` The <code> is extraneous anyway. It just changes the font
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: this one https://kartikprabhu.com/article/inline-svg-icons##describes+a+SVG+document just above
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GWG acegiak: I'd thought of that
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GWG But there are good reasons not to
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acegiak I'm sure there are, hence the jibblies, I just couldn't think of htem off the top of my head
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KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: hm, escape the < to %lt
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KevinMarks etc.
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: yes that is an option. But somehow I expected pre to do that. maybe not
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KevinMarks er &lt;
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KevinMarks I don't think so
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: cool! thanks
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gRegor` Lesson learned: MediaWiki auto-escapes HTML you put in <pre>
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gRegor` But the <pre> element itself does not. That's what misled me, since I use <pre> so infrequently. :)
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gRegor` That's why it worked for us on http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox but not KartikPrabhu's site.
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acegiak.net edited /User:Acegiak.net (+24) (view diff)
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acegiak Who is acegiak
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Acegiak.net
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acegiak hmm. ok
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pdurbin Who is pdurbin
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Greptilian.com
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pdurbin huh. that's pretty cool!
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@kevinmarks @louisgray @rklau now use webmentions http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/474338608854224896)
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GWG acegiak: You can't do /kind/reply and get an archive if you are just using TinyMCE markup.
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