#indiewebcamp 2014-06-17

2014-06-17 UTC
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aaronpk FlatBuffers - because JSON isn't good enough and neither is JSON's more efficient cousin Protocol Buffers http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2014/06/flatbuffers-memory-efficient.html
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@michaelmaltese RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/478735284071571456)
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bret whelp... first endpoint failure on my end
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bret ENOENT, open '$FILEPATH'
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bret ?
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bret worked when i tried again
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bret i wonder if there is a race condition
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aaronpk oh?
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GWG snarfed: What is it?
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snarfed i don't know what it is yet! hence "finding" :P
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GWG snarfed: Any field/area?
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snarfed a few
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snarfed indieweb is obviously one. https://developers.google.com/genomics/ is another
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GWG That one is beyond my current ability to speak intelligently on
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bret snarfed, bridgy is such a key project to communicating the indieweb vision. really good work. its super validating to see to see the indieweb ideas in such a
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GWG snarfed: You aren't giving up on Bridgy, are you?
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bret people who know very little about web development or programming see what bridgy does and go 'oh i get it'
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snarfed bret: thank you for the kind words!
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bret at least thats what I find
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snarfed i definitely appreciate it
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aaronpk totally agree!
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snarfed GWG: of course not!
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bret its also probrably the most headache filled project :p
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bret presumably
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snarfed services do take work, but it's gotten pretty stable, so i've been slowing down on active new development, at least in terms of itches i personally care about
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GWG snarfed: Wish I had a project I could suggest. Most of mine aren't complex enough to challenge you
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aaronpk snarfed: are you interested in any of the PESOS stuff I've been working on? like ownyourgram?
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snarfed GWG: no worries! thanks for the thought. i'm just thinking out loud. and you've been doing great wordpress work too!
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snarfed aaronpk: thanks for the thought! unfortunately no, not that i can think of, sorry
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snarfed wordpress has me pretty well covered in terms of personal itches
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snarfed i'll keep them in mind though
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aaronpk how bout a micropub endpoint for wordpress?
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aaronpk tho I don't blame you if you don't want to go anywhere near wordpress internals :)
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snarfed heh. a micropub endpoint would be nice! i've thought about it a lot. but i haven't yet found a personal itch to scratch
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aaronpk the wordpress app has a lot covered, I can see why there isn't an immediate need for other stuff
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GWG I have a project that relates directly to the Wordpress app and geolocation.
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GWG Not sure if you might have any interest in that.
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GWG Wordpress does not have the kind of geolocation support that works for an Indieweb site
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snarfed i've tried to get interested in geolocation, but honestly i rarely want to use or post my current location (or check in)
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snarfed GWG: huh, i'm not sure i agree. the android app's location support has worked well for me in the past
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GWG snarfed: Yes. But it doesn't do anything for display.
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snarfed it can if you install a plugin. there are lots that use the standard data
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snarfed but i can totally understand if you want to extend/modify that
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GWG I don't normally create my own if one of the existing ones does what I want it to
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snarfed GWG++
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snarfed https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/456913166338129921
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snarfed evidently Loqi's asleep :/
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GWG snarfed: https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location
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aaronpk HEY crap
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snarfed GWG: cool!
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GWG snarfed: The name Simple Location is descriptive
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aaronpk imported backlog from when loqi was gone
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk welcome back loqi
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aaronpk hope you had a good nap
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bret Loqi what happened?
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/675481332531191/12802152 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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GWG How is this looking, by the way?
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GWG http://david.shanske.com/
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GWG I just deployed the Taxonomy plugin to this site
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bret GWG whoa, way better!
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bret a lot more streamlined
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GWG bret: Difference between a test site and a live site
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snarfed agreed, it looks great GWG!
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@aaronpk This week's Homebrew Website Club is the last one before IndieWebCamp 2014! 6:30pm on Wed! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/16/2/indiewebcamp) (twitter.com/_/status/478768862343593984)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/16/2/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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GWG Also, /kind/reply /kind/bookmark and a few more archive views work
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aaronpk heh.. I wanted to POSSE that to facebook with a different URL included in the post
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@benwerd RT @aaronpk: This week's Homebrew Website Club is the last one before IndieWebCamp 2014! 6:30pm on Wed! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club (http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/478769007609118721)
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bret waves goodnight
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Loqi goodnight!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/675481332531191/546075347 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-06-18-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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acegiak morning, all
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 2 days, 10 hours ago: Version bump.
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acegiak oh cool
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onewheelskyward loqi leave or didn't leave?
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Loqi leave
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petermolnar yeah, he came back
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petermolnar (2014-06-17 09:33:20) Loqi left the room (quit: *.net *.split).
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petermolnar (2014-06-17 09:44:02) Loqi [~Loqi@mail.pin13.net] entered the room.
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Loqi grins profusely
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GWG !tell acegiak Also, would you be interested in contributing to https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle GWG I get some warnings using the indieweb-taxonomy plugin
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pfefferle GWG have you enabled DEBUG mode on you dev machine?
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GWG What warnings?
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bigbluehat bret: fixed the annotator link on the hypothes.is site
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bigbluehat seems OKFN has moved that project 3 times :-P
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bigbluehat current home: http://okfnlabs.org/projects/annotator/
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bigbluehat bret: sadly I didn't realize that this year's indiewebcamp was also in NYC
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bigbluehat I'm flying home from NYC on the 28th :-P
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bigbluehat otherwise, I'd have extended my trip :'(
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bigbluehat ah well...
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pfefferle GWG ”žUndefined variable: id“ for example
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pfefferle GWG reported them on Github
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GWG pfefferle: Moved to my development system so I can have a look
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pfefferle GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 9 karma
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bnvk !tell aaronpk would you be so kind as to make me a repo on the GH org called "IndieAppStore" or "IndieStore" or "Store" ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG pfefferle: I have to think about the second issue.
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pfefferle GWG I think I already had a discussion with barnabywalters about that…
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pfefferle GWG but it was some time ago and I don’t know if I can find it in the logs…
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GWG Maybe he remembers
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GWG What do you recall about it?
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GWG pfefferle: EIther way, a plugin-aware theme could render it correctly. The hard part is a non-plugin-aware theme
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GWG pfefferle: Which is what I was trying to design for first.
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pfefferle GWG OK, that is a good point
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pfefferle GWG if you need input for your theme… I tried to consider this case in SemPress...
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GWG pfefferle: I'm rewriting my theme again. You can see the live version on my site, but I'm working on a second generation with more flexibility called mf2_bootstrap, which I think you noticed the name of.
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GWG pfefferle: My intention is to do filters.
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GWG pfefferle: So, there will likely be a filter I can hook into.
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GWG That is specifically outside of the content
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pfefferle GWG I was surpries how many filters/actions WordPress already supports
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GWG pfefferle: When I wrote the kind-functions.php, I looked at the code for functions like body_class and get_category_list and based the kind ones on them, so they have filters.
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pfefferle GWG body_class already has filters
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GWG pfefferle: I was saying that I based kind_class on body_class, so I added a filter. I wanted my functions to be similar to existing ones.
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pfefferle GWG ah ok
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GWG pfefferle: but, after writing my first mf2 compliant theme, I am going back because I want to add in filters in locations based on the microformat.
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GWG pfefferle: So that this problem wouldn't be an issue.
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pfefferle GWG Keep in mind that you load the mf2 semantics on the same level as the built-in mf semantics, otherwise the mf2 parser has problems with backwards compatibility
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pfefferle GWG btw. I started a theme independent mf2 plugin https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2 feel free to contribute if you have some ideas!
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GWG pfefferle: I tried it once, but I discovered that it changed the visual appearance of the twentyfourteen theme,
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pfefferle oh! that shouldn’t be the case!
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pfefferle GWG will have a look at it, if i find some time…
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GWG pfefferle: No. But I figured it might be better to write my own.
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GWG pfefferle: With the problem you outlined in the Taxonomy plugin, the solution is for me to add a filter inside the h-entry but outside the content loop, which Wordpress doesn't currently have.
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GWG pfefferle: I had planned to do that anyway, to support adding optional metadata to the h-entry without having to have it in the theme.
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GWG I think the genesis framework does it that way.
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pfefferle GWG yes, willnorris is using it
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@tedcurran The web idealists have a point: content can't truly blossom in walled gardens - #indieweb http://www.google.com/url?null (twitter.com/_/status/478906309647941632)
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GWG pfefferle: It has too many filters, I think. But strategically placed ones are pretty useful.
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pfefferle GWG perhaps we could use some kind of a convention, so I could add the same hooks to SemPress!?!
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GWG pfefferle: That was what I was thinking
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GWG pfefferle: It can be based on the microformat tags
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pfefferle GWG we should start a wiki page about WordPress theming and collect all we talked about
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GWG What name do we give said page?
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GWG Wordpress_Development?
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GWG There we are
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GWG There
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pfefferle GWG you are way to fast for me ;)
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GWG pfefferle: I used to be an editor.
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@benwerd GCHQ can spy on social networks because they're external to the UK. https://www.privacyinternational.org/press-releases/uk-intelligence-forced-to-reveal-secret-policy-for-mass-surveillance-of-residents Another argument for #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/478918058589708288)
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GWG Got to go now for a bit. Will be idle.
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GWG pfefferle: Thank you for your bug report. I've turned on debugging from now on. Will have to check my other plugins.
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pfefferle GWG you’re welcome :)
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GWG pfefferle: Will work on the other issue, but I think it may need the custom filter solution. Will write up a proposal on that wiki page I set up.
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pfefferle GWG ok
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GWG pfefferle: It will likely be a filter to add to an h-entry.
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@blacklightllc Great tools to #ownyourdata “@WIRED: How to be completely anonymous online http://t.co/81NH20Ni1y” (twitter.com/_/status/478925373137092608)
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gRegor` The page /WordPressDevelopment might be better as /WordPress/Development, GWG
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pfefferle gRegor` feel free to change it
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@khomotso @kinlane think of the revolutionary impact if indieweb types could just recognize business opportunities like this (twitter.com/_/status/478928313579474946)
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Loqi npdoty: kylewm left you a message on 6/16 at 10:35am: yeah, those short positive statements are great! Scott Jenson reworked that page at IndieWebCamp SF earlier this year
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pfefferle gRegor`++
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gRegor` The likelihood of me working on that html5blank theme seems to be going down, heh.
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pfefferle :)
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gRegor` I'm pretty familiar with WordPress, but don't run it personally. So best I would be doing is setting up a test site. I was excited about the idea initially, but that excitement is waning.
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gRegor` Probably better off just working on the stuff I use. :)
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pfefferle gRegor` we could start with the blank html-templates + semantics of SemPress
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pfefferle gRegor` or you can start with the _s http://underscores.me template
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pfefferle GWG is also working on a theme
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gRegor` I know. GWG and my discussion led to me wanting to update html5blank :)
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pfefferle ah ok
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gRegor` The reason I chose that one is it already has mf, just not mf2. So it'd be relatively easy to add some functions similar to sempress to add mf2 class names.
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gRegor` I think between his theme and sempress (I didn't realize you were the author of that. nice!), I think indieweb is probably good for now.
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gRegor` I think I got ahead a /generation, wanting a theme designers who aren't as familiar with indieweb could use to build a unique site that supports indieweb still.
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gRegor` I'm trying to decide if I'm staying with my CMS (Nucleus) or migrating to a custom solution I build on ProcessWire.
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pfefferle gRegor` let me know if you start your html5blank fork anyways… perhaps I could help...
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gRegor` Certainly :)
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@blacklightllc #ownyourdata “@TechCrunch: Virtru, A Secure Email App Built By An Ex-NSA Engineer, Raises $6M http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/17/virtru-a-secure-email-app-built-by-an-ex-nsa-engineer-raises-6m/ by @ingridlunden” (twitter.com/_/status/478934473698852864)
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pfefferle bbiab
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jonnybarnes I still can't get IPv6 to work properly on my server :(
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@sathyamvellal @sandeeprajup @srikrishnaholla Knew this? http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/478941661905420288)
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tantek !tell snarfed hmmm - still not seeing my fave of your tweet show up on https://snarfed.org/2014-04-17_9081 - but it is clearly showing up on the tweet: https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/456913166338129921
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed tantek: yeah, i'm not surprised. bridgy doesn't go back arbitrarily far to find new activity
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snarfed (doesn't scale well)
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 35 seconds ago: hmmm - still not seeing my fave of your tweet show up on https://snarfed.org/2014-04-17_9081 - but it is clearly showing up on the tweet: https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/456913166338129921
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tantek oh ok.
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snarfed it does when the silos provide scalable ways to see new activity, but that's the exception
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snarfed twitter favorites are the worst, since twitter's api doesn't expose them *at all*!
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snarfed grumbles
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tantek can you as a user of bridgy poll the individual tweet permalink manually to nudge bridgy into sending the mentions?
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snarfed you can't tell it to poll a specific silo post, no
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snarfed sounds like a good feature request though
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tantek :)
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snarfed fortunately wms are easy to send manually, at least for gen 1/2 people
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aaronpk do I know anyone with a UK address I could "borrow" for a domain registration?
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Loqi aaronpk: bnvk left you a message 4 hours, 43 minutes ago: would you be so kind as to make me a repo on the GH org called "IndieAppStore" or "IndieStore" or "Store" ?
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aaronpk hmm curious! will get back to this after lunch
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bnvk1 :)
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snarfed aaronpk: tommorris?
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gRegor` snarfed: Yeah, I ran into an interesting issue with my wm code and re-processing bridgy likes. They don't have a dt-published and my code was falling back to the current datetime. I updated it to use the received time of the wm, though.
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gRegor` I was like "hm, I received that wm a month ago, not today"
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snarfed gRegor`: true! since twitter itself doesn't expose favorites via the api, i have to screen scrape them, and there's no date for them
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snarfed i debated options but ended up just omitting dt-published
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gRegor` Yeah, makes sense. I think the received time is fine, for my purposes at least.
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gRegor` Especially if it's just a like, not a comment and a like.
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gRegor` I don't know if you saw, but I got comments + likes displaying together: http://gregorlove.com/2014/01/1178/#w9
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snarfed i did see, congrats!
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gRegor` Hmm. Something's off with my mf2 markup/understanding I think. http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://gregorlove.com/2014/01/1178/
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gRegor` Local blog comments are marked up with p-comment, but *not* h-cite
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gRegor` But that seems to parse all the comment p-authors in the h-entry.
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gRegor` I didn't use h-cite because I thought it was when quoting something that originally appeared elsewhere (e.g. webmention).
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gRegor` and local blog comments originally appeared... right there on the page.
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gRegor` reads up on http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming
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gRegor` Should the local comment have "p-comment h-entry"?
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: p-comment h-cite maybe
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gRegor` I'm using p-comment h-cite for the wm comments and they parse properly... but h-cite doesn't seem correct for local blog comments.
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KartikPrabhu oh local comments... hmm maybe just "p-comment" then
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gRegor` Per /h-cite
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gRegor` It is just p-comment now :)
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gRegor` And it's parsing weirdly.
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KartikPrabhu hmm investigating
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gRegor` Actually, not sure I even need h-cite on the wm comments, since I'm displaying their entire contents (FAQ on h-cite)
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gRegor` What's your mf2py parser URL again? Just to compare
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KartikPrabhu https://kartikprabhu.com/connection/mfparser
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jonnybarnes is aaronpk there?
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aaronpk waves
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jonnybarnes there's an OpenID IndieAuth issue, I can't log into serverfault.com
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gRegor` mf2py parses the same
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aaronpk that looks like stackoverflow
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aaronpk i thought I fixed that already...
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jonnybarnes I'm on the page where I clic one of the green links to authenticate
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aaronpk hm yeah looks fine for me
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: looking at post
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jonnybarnes the URL of the page is https://indieauth.com/auth?me=...&redirect_url=%2Fopenid%2Fcomplete
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jonnybarnes so its saying its going to redirect me to /openid/complete
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jonnybarnes does it know that should be serverfault.com/opendi/complete?
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aaronpk yeah it stored the actual redirect URI in the session
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aaronpk it needs to go back to indieauth.com first in order to finish openid session stuff
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jonnybarnes oooh, hang on
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: seems like the h-card for the commenters has the nearest h-parent as your own post. I would suggest "p-comment h-entry" for now
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jonnybarnes nope, still not working
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gRegor` Ah, h-card goes with the nearest h-* parent?
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jonnybarnes noscript was blocking stackauth,com
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aaronpk lol
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jonnybarnes thought that might be causing an issue, but it isnt
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: I mean "p-author h-card"
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jonnybarnes so firefox has waiting for indueauth,com... at the bottom left
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KartikPrabhu the p-author is interpreted as the "author property of the h-* parent" which happens to be the "h-entry" on your post
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: it says it's waiting for you to sign in with google right now
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: So you're saying the p-author h-card gets put under the nearest h-* element, and since the comment doesn't use h-cite, it gets put under the h-entry?
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: yup.
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gRegor` Oops, typed while you were already answering
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gRegor` Gotcha. Let me try that.
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jonnybarnes I've asked indieauth to rescan for my rel="me" links and its just ... doing something
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jonnybarnes it says its loaded links from my site if I hover on the green loading bar
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@UTCenterforID Did you know you can download everything you've ever posted on @facebook? It's true: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150292657680484 #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/478980065141592064)
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gRegor` That did it. Thanks, KartikPrabhu!
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 32 karma
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KartikPrabhu cool!
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@UTCenterforID Did you know you can download everything you've ever posted on @facebook? It's true: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150292657680484 #ownyourdata #fraudconf (twitter.com/_/status/478980191402745856)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: I see what you mean... it's hanging trying to connect to your site
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aaronpk hang on I think I might know what's going on
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bret i can log in fine with openid
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bret on stack echange
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aaronpk give me a sec
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aaronpk this got messy
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aaronpk ok here goes... crossing my fingers
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jonnybarnes Im logged in now
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aaronpk HMM
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aaronpk ok i think it's all settled now
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aaronpk also last.fm is a supported auth provider now too :)
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@Indie_Auth Just added last.fm as a supported provider for http://t.co/i4zSjDWwVJ! (twitter.com/_/status/478988652379262977)
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@rknLA Which means, basically, they own your playlist data, not you. No data portability for the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/478990340532105217)
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 7 hours, 49 minutes ago: Also, would you be interested in contributing to https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location
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@antoinem RT @rknLA: Which means, basically, they own your playlist data, not you. No data portability for the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/478996085500051456)
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@veganstraightedge @aaronpk Have you documented your #indieweb #quantifiedself work anywhere? I'd like see others' learning before building mine. (twitter.com/_/status/478996622030802944)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/06/17/2/quantifiedself linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Publishing_Other_Content (webmention)
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gRegor` aaronpk: Awesome re: last.fm
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aaronpk any indieweb exmaples of people publishing a GPG key on their site as text rather than as a URL?
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gRegor` Meaning a URL to a third party site, like a gist?
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gRegor` kbs links to a gist with his key in it.
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aaronpk other way around. I found barnabywalters publishes a URL to his key
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aaronpk does anybody put the full key text on their home page?
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gRegor` Gotcha
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I have seen it before, maybe check on the microformats wiki
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gRegor` I'm not aware of any. I wouldn't trust it without https, which I think is the big gotcha.
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gRegor` *not aware of any indieweb people. I've seen it in the larger web.
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aaronpk can't even find gpg or pgp on the microformats wiki
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barnabywalters no, me neither
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gRegor` http://microformats.org/wiki/key-examples
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aaronpk also i'm confused about whether I should be naming and searching for things as "gpg" or "pgp"
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barnabywalters well spotted gRegor`
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gRegor` Only found by searching "openpgp", oddly.
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gRegor` I suggest GPG
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rascul aaronpk https://rascul.io/rascul.pub
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rascul linked to from my h-card on my home page
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aaronpk gRegor`: would you mind stubbing out a page on the wiki explaining why?
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rascul soon i'll be signing posts
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aaronpk heh, npdoty removed the embedded text key in favor of linking to keybase.io
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gRegor` Sure. It's basically that PGP is corporate now, gut GnuPG is the open source version.
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gRegor` Apparently Symantec is acquiring PGP Corporation? Interesting.
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rascul there's also gpg and gpg2
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rascul it gets confusing sometimes
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aaronpk indeed
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gRegor` (I actually don't know a lot about this, but I'll stub it.)
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barnabywalters pretty sure the reasoning behind linking to keys is simply that they’re completely ugly
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gRegor` Oh, yeah, when I say "GPG" I guess i mean "GPG2"
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gRegor` Not if you make ascii art out of them, barnabywalters. ;)
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barnabywalters gRegor`: even that is an acquired taste :)
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gRegor` rascul: That's awesome about signing posts.
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gRegor` Hehe
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rascul /rascul.pub is also my public key on keybase
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rascul notes that he should backup his private key somewhere
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aaronpk would anybody complain if I only supported pgp keys linked and not embedded directly?
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gRegor` I still need to check out keybase since you sent me the invite. Oops
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ooh, are you adding PGP encryption of a challenge as an auth provider to indieauth?
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barnabywalters s/PGP/OpenPGP slash GPG
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: aaronpk: ooh, are you adding OpenPGP slash GPG encryption of a challenge as an auth provider to indieauth?
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rascul oh you didn't use it yet heh
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aaronpk barnabywalters: maaayyyybe (shh!)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: nice! been looking forward to that sort of passwordless auth for a while!
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JonathanNeal Did someone here blog about readable URLs?
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KevinMarks Tantek did I think
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gRegor` This help any, or clear as mud? :) http://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Terminology
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KevinMarks I'm at known's pitch thing again, but this one is off the record
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aaronpk ...he says, on the record
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gRegor` aaronpk: Is the terminology section I added what you were looking for?
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KevinMarks I mean I can't live note it
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aaronpk gRegor`: yes thanks!
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gRegor` Is it ok to put Wikipedia links in the "see also" section, as long as the link text indicates it's on Wikipedia?
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aaronpk sure. just don't copy text from wikipedia
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gRegor` Phew. Think I captured the main iterations for redirects. :)
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aaronpk is there some sort of recognized logo/branding for PGP signing?
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rascul not that i'm aware of
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pauloppenheim oh snap, what have i missed in here
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pauloppenheim dammit i wish i had more time to get my IWC on
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jonnybarnes IPv6 is hard to set up :/
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tantek aaronpk - see microformats.org/wiki/key-examples
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tantek a-ha gRegor` already gave that URL. thanks gRegor`
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tantek re: searching for pgp or gpg - searches on MediaWiki installs must be 4 or more characters long due to MySQL text indexing limitations.
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gRegor` Ahh
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tantek aaronpk, gRegor`, barnabywalters ^^^
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aaronpk what is gpg?
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Loqi OpenPGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a message exchange format that uses public key cryptography to enable people to exchange encrypted and/or signed data http://indiewebcamp.com/GPG
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aaronpk seems to work
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barnabywalters ah yes, gotta love MySQL
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tantek interesting
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aaronpk (loqi's "what is" syntax uses mediawiki search api)
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Loqi yeah!
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pauloppenheim gpg isn't much of a standard
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pauloppenheim there are many other open source implementations
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aaronpk pauloppenheim: feel free to elaborate on that page :)
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pauloppenheim (for instance, i believe kbs is using bouncycastle)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: pretty sure the search API returns different results to the search UI
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aaronpk i don't know much about this
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tantek aaronpk - perhaps this is a MediaWiki software version issue.
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tantek looks like it's been fixed in whatever version is running on indiewebcamp
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tantek but not on microformats :/
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gRegor` I thought the character limitation dealt with the size of the search index, too
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pauloppenheim i don't know much either
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pauloppenheim i effectively don't use PGP since I found out how much info it leaks
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gRegor` I summarized information from wikipedia (in my own words!) for those terminologies.
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gRegor` kbs public key is GnuPG v1
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tantek !tell snarfed I know what you mean about running out of or low on personal itches to scratch. I'll think about some ways to challenge you. ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk++ for https://twitter.com/Indie_Auth/status/478988652379262977
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@Indie_Auth Just added last.fm as a supported provider for http://t.co/i4zSjDWwVJ! (twitter.com/_/status/478988652379262977)
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snarfed tantek: heh, thanks! having a baby will be more than enough challenge enough :P
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: I know what you mean about running out of or low on personal itches to scratch. I'll think about some ways to challenge you. ;)
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snarfed heh. as in, "enough challenge! enough!!!"
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gRegor` indiebaby
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snarfed :P
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pauloppenheim snarfed: are you a dad yet?
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snarfed pauloppenheim: 3 mos and counting
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snarfed (until baby, not since)
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pauloppenheim ahh
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pauloppenheim ok
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pauloppenheim that's a while still
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barnabywalters ^^^ documented MySQL search issue but is not an expert, feel free to correct if this analysis is wrong
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pauloppenheim hmm, i'm not sure trying to describe PGP on the wiki is helpful or not
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pauloppenheim misunderstanding or improperly explaining can have dire consequences
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pauloppenheim i will poke
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gRegor` I think a lot of /pgp is related to kbs' work on contact address books and verifying a person is who they claim to be with rel-me links, fingerprints, etc.
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gRegor` It's been over a month since I've chatted with him about it, so my memory is hazy. :)
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pauloppenheim yeah, i think i said that wrong
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pauloppenheim it's good to have pointers
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gRegor` And unfortunately kbs hasn't been in chat lately, either
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gRegor` Cleanup is definitely welcome, though. I've only skimmed the page.
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pauloppenheim i suppose what i really mean is that I should add links to more authoritative sources for anyone just walking in on this
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pauloppenheim the parts that describe what people did are great
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pauloppenheim the discussion of motivation is mixed in, and possibly not as useful as a pointer to other sources
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gRegor` Yeah
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gRegor` And Indieweb Examples sub-section would be good.
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gRegor` s/And/An/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: An Indieweb Examples sub-section would be good.
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gRegor` Is "IndieWeb" a proper noun, or should we be using "indieweb"? I think the latter, but wasn't sure.
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gRegor` I've seen "IndieWeb" on some pages. Thought it was just a carry over from "IndieWebCamp"
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@ShaneHudson @webdirections Makes my blood boil. As does - http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/479039166857371648)
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aaronpk gRegor`: http://indiewebcamp.com/style-guide (and feel free to add to it)
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gRegor` Ah! nice
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gRegor` Hm
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rascul IndieWeb (without the space) is used often
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gRegor` Yeah. I'd not seen it with the space.
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jonnybarnes we have an article for https but not ipv6, i may have to change that
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pauloppenheim jonnybarnes: i realize my perspective is probably unique, but what needs to be said about ipv6 in relation to the indieweb?
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jonnybarnes pauloppenheim: what needs to be said about nginx and the indieweb, theres still a wiki page about it
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pauloppenheim good point
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snarfed honestly, i'm with pauloppenheim. our tendency to (kinda) duplicate so much info about everything on the wiki is…a bit silly
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bret pauloppenheim, i think it is mainly to document people
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snarfed indieweb stuff sure, but general technical stuff…meh
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bret s experience with different tools and tech
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snarfed bret: fair
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pauloppenheim actually, i disagree with myself!
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jonnybarnes lol
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bret not all tech is useful to learn, even if hyped
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pauloppenheim i think "who uses this" is useful
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bret and some is really useful, but poorly documented from the perspective of an individual
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pauloppenheim and that tends to be what these pages have
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pauloppenheim and let's face it, there's a good chance the wiki is one of the only places on the web targeted at individuals
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pauloppenheim for instance: http://indiewebcamp.com/nginx
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bret yes
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pauloppenheim that actually is pretty handy
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pauloppenheim so i guess an equivalent for ipv6 would be useful
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bret im sure there are books on webdev that go over that kind of stuff, but we can bring provide that kind of knowledge on the wiki
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pauloppenheim bc when i did my ipv6 setup, it was a pain bc everything was targeted at the enterprise
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bret pauloppenheim yeah i would say so…. there should be some really cool p2p and home hosting enabled by i[v6
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aaronpk yes.. the "who uses this" section is key. if you can't add a "who uses this" section to a new page then it's probably not worth creating the page
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pauloppenheim well, we also link
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aaronpk e.g. don't re-document the whole internet, just the parts people here are using individually
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bret ^^
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pauloppenheim sometimes there are good tutorials, but it will take 6 hours of web searches
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pauloppenheim right
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bret definately capture those
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jonnybarnes exactly
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bret as long as it doenst become link hoarding
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bret it should be: I used this resource to do this
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bret IE I used this tutorial to implementent responsive css and flexboxes on my site
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bret im interested to learn more about ipv6 for NATless routing
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bret your lan IP is your public ip in ipv6 right?
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bret (not considering any firewalls)
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jonnybarnes bret: it should be
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bret thats so cooL!
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jonnybarnes obv not many home ISP are deploying IPv6 yet
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bret at least comcast is
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bret its like the one good thing they do
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jonnybarnes essentially your router will be given its own subnet and will then hand IPs from that subnet to any devices connecting
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pauloppenheim bret: not necessarily, surprisingly there is ipv6 NAT
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bret >:[
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bret really?
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pauloppenheim yeah
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bret what for?
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pauloppenheim there is still internal addressing, because people lean on that
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pauloppenheim effectively, it became a security practice
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bret pauloppenheim is that the route home routers are going to take?
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pauloppenheim unsure
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pauloppenheim it does add a modicum of security to home networks, so it's not entirely bad
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bret jonnybarnes? what is your experience?
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pauloppenheim but it's also a punt on real security
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bret pauloppenheim it also makes is nearly impossible to make video / audio calls and send p2p files
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pauloppenheim bret: well, without an external service bouncer / proxy or an ALG
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bret yeah! Whack!
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pauloppenheim the truth is that routers should suck less, and let you selectively NAT devices
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jonnybarnes bret, its just been an evening project, I though to myself my webhost will assign IPv6s at no extra cost so hey, why not make my site accessible over IPv6
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bret Plus UPnP is terrible at security
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pauloppenheim but instead we got port forwards
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bret blech
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pauloppenheim jonnybarnes: good on you, dude
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bret NAT-PMP never works too
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pauloppenheim i wish ipv6 were more default. most services don't route ipv6 by default, so asking makes them up their game
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jonnybarnes ooh, caseorganic is also using IPv6 :)
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caseorganic jonnybarnes: :)
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aaronpk oh neat verizon wireless is doing that!
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: did we ever work out why it took me ages to log into serverfault.com with openid?
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: no...it wasn't the problem I thought it was
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aaronpk and it doesn't have anything to do with serverfault.com, for some reason it's hanging trying to scan your site
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jonnybarnes oh, very weird
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aaronpk I upped the concurrency of the server and also made some other minor changes and it seems to be fast now
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jonnybarnes i dont know why, the website opens in my browser perfectly quickly :/
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rascul what web site?
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jonnybarnes jonnybarnes.net
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jonnybarnes for some reason when indieauth.com was trying to scan for rel="me" links it was taking a long time
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rascul hrm
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bret i like your site design jonnybarnes
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bret jonnybarnes++
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Loqi jonnybarnes has 2 karma
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jonnybarnes my 2nd karma :) thank you bret
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bret jonnybarnes do you have an atom feed?
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jonnybarnes bret: I did
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jonnybarnes jonnybarnes.net/feed is a feed of my articles
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jonnybarnes formatted in RSS though
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bret heh, who cares :p works for me!
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bret its not auto discoverable seemingly
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jonnybarnes yeah, I originally had it set up through feedpress
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jonnybarnes then I havent got round to sorting it out properly
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bret Interesting: "The RSS 2.0 specification is copyrighted by Harvard University and is frozen. No significant changes can be made (although the specification is under a Creative Commons licence) and it is intended that future work be done under a different name
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bret Atom is one example of such work."