kylewmbnvk: (sorry I don't have it open). I think there is 1 page of documentation that explains it... basically you point it to a url that has an h-feed, where each entry in the h-feed links to another h-feed
kallistixfhi there, i'm trying to log into the indiewebcamp website using kallistixf.dreamwidth.org . i put a rel=me on it pointing to twitter, and my twitter profile points back to the dreamwidth url, but i get an "Insecure redirect error"
voxpellibarnabywalters: add an issue point there about challenges in discovering author URL? it's not really an authorship issue in theory, but in practice most will probably encounter the same issue and it's good if people remember to put a u-uid there for that
pfefferle, bnvk, Sebastien-L, Rev_Illo, scor, glennjones, lukebrooker, fofr, wolftune, snarfed, gRegor`, mlncn, krendil, brianloveswords, chrissaad and pfefferle_ joined the channel
Loqitantek: barnabywalters left you a message 5 hours, 22 minutes ago: your homepage h-card doesn’t list tantek.com as your first u-url, so my feed authorship discovery tool is treating twitter.com/t as your profile URL! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F
tantekthere are also a ton of "social widgets" that people use to link to their Twitter, FB, IG, etc. which could all be upgraded to automatically put rel=me links on those
tantekGWG of course it's more fun (not so bad) to write one, just saying it would help all the other users of all the other similar plugins already out there.
barnabywalterstantek: feed reader is currently in state of flux due to big change to the way posts are indexed so I can’t test right now, but your new markup looks fine and should be handled perfectly by Shrewdness
gRegor`tantek: That might answer kylewm's question regarding the relmeauth appearing to be broken on your site. You don't log in to edit anything currently, just scp?
tantekironic that an article about depending on search results for disambiguation / discovery, itself doesn't bother to check search results for the term "webmention" which it purports to introduce
kylewmKartikPrabhu: sun.java.com had really excellent forums before they bought by Oracle, who destroyed all the permalinks ... would be useul to have had a content-based scheme for those
KartikPrabhustill don't see the need. I wouldn't link to a 'search' link for any phrase, specially one that does not specify the search engine as the results are unpredictable
tantekand once again, I will restate, if you're not knowledgable enough about *existing* web technologies to post your ideas on your own website, then you lack the expertise to propose technical improvements to those web technologies.
tantekgRegor`: also, here's the saddest part, not only is the *name* he chose not new/unique ("webmentions") but the idea isn't either. already done and shipping here, called /permashortcitations
gRegor`KartikPrabhu: Haha, well sure it happens. But I've never taken quotation marks as a prompt to search something. Much more likely to say: "Hey, lazy person, who said that quote?"
tantekmore irony - none of us would have seen this tweet and medium post in the first place if he hadn't made the mistake of using "webmention" when it already meant something
Loqibret: aaronpk left you a message 2 days, 4 hours ago: that's interesting, does that mean I should a) drop my atom feed completely or b) continue maintaining a specific rendering of my content as an atom feed?
@tnew rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying innovate. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ7) (twitter.com/_/status/365195886940258304)
tantekon a more productive note - if anyone here is interested in giving a talk about IndieWeb, in particular how you've built or setup your own indieweb site, check this out and make a proposal! http://html5devconf.com/cfs-oct2014.html
tantek!tell aaronpk,benwerd,caseorganic,erinjo,bret,dietrich,garbee,glennjones,kevinmarks if you're interested in giving a talk about IndieWeb sometime 2014-10-20..24, in particular how you've built or setup your own indieweb site, check this out and make a proposal! http://html5devconf.com/cfs-oct2014.html - feel free to mention that Tantek recommended you make a proposal (I was on their speaker board for a while) - and that offer is open to
LoqiGarbee: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: if you're interested in giving a talk about IndieWeb sometime 2014-10-20..24, in particular how you've built or setup your own indieweb site, check this out and make a proposal! http://html5devconf.com/cfs-oct2014.html - feel free to mention that Tantek recommended you make a proposal (I was on their speaker board for a while) - and that offer is open to
Loqibret: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: if you're interested in giving a talk about IndieWeb sometime 2014-10-20..24, in particular how you've built or setup your own indieweb site, check this out and make a proposal! http://html5devconf.com/cfs-oct2014.html - feel free to mention that Tantek recommended you make a proposal (I was on their speaker board for a while) - and that offer is open to
tantekok I've screenshotted and "Select All" "View Selection Source" "Save As…" the original HTML as well of Lucas's article, since he kept renaming it.
Loqihmans: tantek left you a message on 7/17 at 5:44pm: go ahead and create a page indiewebcamp.com/pants that describes the project - even with just a stub like you did in IRC: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-17#t1405627280
hmansThe @mentions were a user request, they're really quite fun. tbh it would still send out webmentions if I simply used a normal link, but just typing @indiewebcamp.com is kind of sexy, too.
hmansI'm aiming at making #pants' aggregator consume h-entry and discover RSS/ATOM feeds in the long run, so a #pants user could just "follow" @indiewebcamp.com like they'd be following a twitter account and have its posts show up in their timeline/mobile app.
tanteknice! so you have homepage webmentions working then? I wonder if anyone here (benwerd? aaronpk? barnabywalters?) has a queue of their homepage webmentions they check?
LoqiKevinMarks: tantek left you a message 50 minutes ago: if you're interested in giving a talk about IndieWeb sometime 2014-10-20..24, in particular how you've built or setup your own indieweb site, check this out and make a proposal! http://html5devconf.com/cfs-oct2014.html - feel free to mention that Tantek recommended you make a proposal (I was on their speaker board for a while) - and that offer is open to
hmanstantek, what I'd like to do is to have hmans.io communicate to indieauth.com that it can already vouch for my identity without going through Twitter, Github etc.
gRegor`For the logs, Re: commenting systems, this came up in #indiechat due to a reference to the Discourse forum software. I commented that boingboing uses it.
hmansso, re IndieAuth, what I'd like to do is to add a link rel to my <head> to indicate an endpoint that will accept a POST with a token that the server will POST back to the querying server. Or something in those lines.
tantekand that error message is what happens if you have a FB tab open with "private" session/info e.g. a chat, and open ANOTHER FB tab and switch to "using as a page", and then go back to the first FB tab
gRegor`That's an ok idea, but 1) If they're on my site, I'd rather not send them away to interact 2) I like that they can have longer text and some formatting options if they comment on the blog.
gRegor`Local blog comments are already set up and working for over a decade now, so changing that to a silo link, which I might have to change again in 5 years when Twitter isn't a thing anymore... :)
tantekgRegor`: that's reasonable. I suppose I see so much spam coming in via WordPress that I would switch off "local" comments just to avoid that hassle
tantekgRegor`: sounds like you should upgrad your friends to having their own site (or even Tumblr, which I think via Bridgy now sends webmentions? or something like that?)
Loqitantek meant to say: gRegor`: sounds like you should upgrade your friends to having their own site (or even Tumblr, which I think via Bridgy now sends webmentions? or something like that?)
gRegor`I'm also strongly considering using a new framework for my site, which would be something I could actually release and assist others with installing.
tantekbasically it's the inevitable outcome for any one-off JSON format proposed as a standard - eventually it gets replaced by something simpler and easier to support based in HTML.
hmansIn #pants, when I use the Markdown formatting for images, what it'll do is fetch the page, do discovery for oEmbed endpoints, and then use that to get proper embed HTML. If anything in that chain fails, it'll fall back to just inserting an image.
hmansWhy is this useful? You want to embed any kind of media, and instead of manually fetching the HTML embed code, you just paste in the URL (using the image syntax) and #pants will do the rest for you.
hmansI agree, tough, that it'd be easier/cooler to just extract the embed HTML from the actual page containing the media, not going to through oEmbed JSON loop.
JonathanNealKevinMarks_: it’s a neat idea, minus the page load. Also, if you covered the iframe with a div to prevent selection and scrolling, the effect would be even more complete.
hmansbenward, please note that my Twitter timeline wasn't loading for two weeks or so, which made me build my own distributed social micromacroblogging network so it's all your fault.
snarfedbut i only did that because pants doesn't have rel-syndication links yet. kylewm recently added a bridgy publish feature where, if you reply/like/repost an indie post, and it has syndication links to silo posts, bridgy publish automatically replies/likes/reposts inside the silo too
hmansHTML/JS/DOM/browser question... when I have <img> tags, and their hrefs give me 4xx or 5xx responses, is it possible to intercept these in JS and replce the image with a placeholder on the fly?
JonathanNealI would be happy to help you further on the project, get it set up on my machine, and contribute. Whatever floats your boat. It looks really good.
kylewmhmans: cuibonobo: per your question earlier about indieauth.com delegating to your site for authorization -- cweiske has implemented his own authorization endpoint, and it's a coming soon feature for indieauth.com to accept it
hmansJonathanNeal, anytime! I haven't been very good with writing documentation/setup instructions/etc., but the code is all on github.com/hmans/pants. Moving very fast though, so if you start hacking, let me know what you're up to
hmansJonathanNeal, I think I already got those covered... not sure right now tbh. I have a Trello board set up at https://trello.com/b/PVYzhNKx/pants if you want to see what I'm up to next
hmansI'm seriously pondering if something like #pants shouldn't just be PHP (+ MySQL) so people could just throw it into their $2/month web space directories... but... no.
hmansOh, okay... best way to run it for development is to set up Invoker, bundler will have installed it for you, but you need to let it install the stuff it needs to give you *.dev domains.
JonathanNealhmans: i don’t even fully understand what it does yet, other than let you write tweets on your own site, and like other people that do the same thing
hmansIn addition to the stuff mentioned on http://hmans.io/lrn569, there's also Option C where I give you a subdomain under *.pnt.li, but of course you wouldn't own it.