#indiewebcamp 2014-08-02

2014-08-02 UTC
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aaronpk Catching up on logs
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aaronpk Looks like lots of confusion about the client_id parameter
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aaronpk It's not part of micropub, it's part of indieauth used when obtaining an access token
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aaronpk The name itself is from OAuth 2
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aaronpk IndieAuth says the OAuth 2 client_id must be a URL
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aaronpk The intent is to be able to fetch app name/icon from that URL using the h-app microformat
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bear I thought /developers page made it very clear "client_id: Set the client_id in a hidden field to let indieauth.com know the home page of the application the user is signing in to"
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aaronpk So displaying the client info on a site would publish the h-app markup, not a property named client_id
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aaronpk Now that indieauth.com actually consumes the x-h-app microformat I should update that sentence accordingly
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bret oy
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bret thanks for clearing that up aaronpk :)
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bret so micropub actually requires fetching and parsing of microformatted client info from html?
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bret (to get the full set of info?)
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aaronpk Yeah if you want to show the client info
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aaronpk Basically that takes the place of client registration
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bret gotcha
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aaronpk Like instead of going to dev.twitter.com and registering an app, entering the name and uploading the logo! you just publish your app info on a web page
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bret ok that makes sense
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bret and of course, waterpigs is already on top of it :)
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aaronpk re: offline/native apps, just publish a static HTML page about the app
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aaronpk Most apps have that anyway :-)
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bret thats true
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bret and thanks to gh/bb-pages there is no excuse :)
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aaronpk Indeed!
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bret what if the app page 404s eventually?
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bret (but the client app is still great and fine?)
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bret does anyone else do client attribution? (micropub or not)
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KartikPrabhu bret: count me as "expressed interest"
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bret KartikPrabhu ??
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KartikPrabhu bret: "expressed interest" in client attribution. I just don't want to deal with it at the moment with adding to my database model etc...
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bret ah i see
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kylewm !tell snarfed hey I've got a version of oauth-dropins running here for (only Flickr is likely to work) https://oauth-dropins-kwm.appspot.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 36 karma
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kylewm woo thanks :D
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kylewm bret: what is bb-pages?
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bret bitbucket!
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kylewm oh duh! i didn't realize they had pages, cool
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bret bitbucket needs more cred :)
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 2 hours, 47 minutes ago: sure as soon as I can edit that page :p
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 2 hours, 46 minutes ago: I am starting notes for the page locally :)
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 2 hours, 42 minutes ago: conceivably posting tools/clients may live at different domains but have a human readable name relating to the software powering it. If client_id is the url of the client making the post maybe we need a separate client name field
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tantek hmmm
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tantek !tell bret looks like you need a few more microformats wiki edits before you can create pages :) stubbed it for now: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry-brainstorming
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek x-h-app? do you mean h-x-app aaronpk?
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@kinetictype @mik3cap sadly, if it is is a free service, shouldn’t there be some kind of immoral intent expected with your info? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/495397745612828673)
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@kinetictype take back your content! http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/495398280206233601)
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willnorris err, forgot to tag my post with #indieweb so it didn’t ping the channel. But just got POSSE working with brid.gy :) https://willnorris.com/2014/08/keeping-up
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KartikPrabhu willnorris++ for POSSE
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Loqi willnorris has 5 karma
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willnorris this is only like the second or third time I’ve got POSSE working :-P (previously on wordpress)
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willnorris hopefully I can stop regressing now and just keep adding more stuff
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Loqi snarfed: kylewm left you a message 2 hours, 12 minutes ago: hey I've got a version of oauth-dropins running here for (only Flickr is likely to work) https://oauth-dropins-kwm.appspot.com
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snarfed kylewm: great!
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bret willnorris++
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 32 minutes ago: looks like you need a few more microformats wiki edits before you can create pages :) stubbed it for now: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry-brainstorming
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Loqi willnorris has 6 karma
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bret I should go check in on every format example I have implemented :)
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bret oh cool willnorris your using jekyll too :)
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willnorris yeah, have been for about a month now. I’m not completely wedded to jekyll specifically… I’ve also been looking at hugo a bit
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bret willnorris: good! jekyll has problems that anoy me. I'm working on a git based publishing system for static stites though so its cool to see others see the value in static sites
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willnorris yeah, i’m pretty well sold on serving static pages at this point… it’s been really nice. The only other thing I might consider is hooking it up to camlistore, but that’s still some ways off
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willnorris i’d definitely be interested in seeing the git based system you come up with
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bret ack sorry computer crashed
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bret !tell willnorris ack computer crashed.. im totally on board with camlistore (and the idea of immutable data). Its to hard to use right now personally so git is like my camlistore lite. Can't wait till I can handle arbitrary data
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena How do you get your backlinks for brid.gy into your instagram posts? Doing that via their mobile app makes it really complicated
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Jeena and on the website I can only add a comment, not change the description
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@OscarSanFuentes Web.mention, la aplicación para monitorizar la reputación online de tu empresa http://oscarsanfuentes.blogspot.nl/2014/07/webmention-la-aplicacion-para.html?m=1 #socialmedia #reputation (twitter.com/_/status/495510605798064128)
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Jeena Now I followed microsofts advise and added "Previous" and "Next" <link>s to my photos and notes, I even made them usable with the arrow keys
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@AAinslie @mattmcalister An #opensource #indieweb #publishing platform: @withknown <- interesting this. cc @n0tice (twitter.com/_/status/495542329328300033)
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kylewm Jeena: most people don't include backlinks on instagram posts for that reason
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bret interesting: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ITI05CS
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snarfed Jeena: if you include a u-syndication link to instagram on your photo posts, bridgy will find that and you won't need to include a backlink in instagram at all
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cuibonobo i was checking out camlistore (someone mentioned it last night) but to contribute you need to sign a contributor license agreement with Google...
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cuibonobo is this because the code is hosted on Google? because I was under the impression that Google didn't have any claim over camlistore
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snarfed cuibonobo: it's not because it's hosted on google. i think brad (et al) own the IP, but i can double check and ask him
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cuibonobo snarfed: cool! thanks
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@kevinmarks » @dailymuse: How My Personal Website Helped Me Land My Dream #Job: https://www.themuse.com/advice/how-my-personal-website-helped-me-land-my-dream-job/?Twitter_MPage https://twitter.com/dailymuse/status/495604692643090432/photo/1 « #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/495609885149499392)
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@SerenoUK RT @JohnBNewton: RT @benwerd: Sandstorm.io is another very interesting #indieweb platform: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform | looks worth supporting (twitter.com/_/status/495616901012553728)
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@pierreozoux #indieWeb bonus point: Permashortlinks with Octopress http://www.pierre-o.fr/s/9.htm via @pierreozoux (twitter.com/_/status/495617492018933760)
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@benwerd @tcarmody Couldn't agree more. Hopefully we can turn it around. It's worth looking into the #indieweb movement. (twitter.com/_/status/495619134567100416)
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@benwerd @tcarmody Even in the #indieweb community - which is all about this! - there were voices saying this is how social works. (twitter.com/_/status/495620448617390080)
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Loqi willnorris: bret left you a message 12 hours, 42 minutes ago: ack computer crashed.. im totally on board with camlistore (and the idea of immutable data). Its to hard to use right now personally so git is like my camlistore lite. Can't wait till I can handle arbitrary data
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Acidnerd anyone can tell me what is the code behind Loqi bot ? is it available out there ?
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cuibonobo Acidnerd: aaronpk wrote a post about Loqi here: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot
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cuibonobo i'm not sure if the actual code is available though
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Acidnerd thanks cuibonobo, i'll check it out
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Acidnerd indeed, code does not seem to be avail, i'm looking for a decent RSS to IRC bot, if Twitter/identi.ca integration avail, even better
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gRegor` Loqi, give us your code
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Loqi grins profusely
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kylewm I think aaronpk uses zenbot as a basis for his irc doings, fwiw
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gRegor` Hey kylewm. Welcome back.
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Loqi [mention] http://www.pierre-o.fr linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain (webmention)
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bret Acidnerd I think the situation is that Loqi needs some work before being released.. afaik its not done yet
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bear Acidnerd - I would suggest Willie if your into Python. Easy to setup, plugin structure and very stable.
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bear http://willie.dftba.net/
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bret nice
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snarfed morning all
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KartikPrabhu morning snarfed
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KartikPrabhu bear: it seems strange to me to have ronkyuu do both webmention and indieauth as they are fairly independent. Any particular reason for clubbing them together?
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KartikPrabhu is now paginating notes by month... https://kartikprabhu.com/notes not very fond of the months list at the bottom though. Suggesstions?
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anNofMe KartikPrabhu: I agree, it’s a little cluttered. Could you do something like “2014 | Jan Feb Mar…” rather than have the year attached to each month?
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KartikPrabhu you mean treat the year as a sort of 'heading' and then list the months?
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KartikPrabhu good idea... will have to see if my templatin system allows me to do that :) thanks
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anNofMe right…
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anNofMe np
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snarfed hey KartikPrabhu, i have an mf2py question, whenever you have a min
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/247#issuecomment-50973702
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: will look at it in a min
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snarfed thanks!
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techlifeweb Step one: Join the chat and say hello. Hello. Ok, got past that hurdle :)
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anNofMe quick question: is there a way to include degrees/titles/salutations in h-card?
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snarfed hi techlifeweb!
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snarfed anNofMe: p-honorific-suffix. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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techlifeweb hi snarfed
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anNofMe hello techlifeweb! I’m new here too
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KartikPrabhu anNofMe: what do you think of it now: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes ?
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anNofMe snarfed: perfect, thanks!
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KartikPrabhu welcome: techlifeweb
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anNofMe KartikPrabhu: much nicer!
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KartikPrabhu :)
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anNofMe couple suggestions:
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anNofMe Thinking ahead, you probably won’t need links to every month in past years, so past years maybe should just be links to archives of that year
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anNofMe it’s not a big deal now since you only have one past year, but if you continue for another year or two, that footer’s gonna get real big
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techlifeweb Most of what you all talk about is probably over my head but I love learning this stuff. I have a Wordpress blog that I mostly "break" and fix again just so I can learn. Thinking of indiewebifying it (that's a word, right?) mostly for POSSE reasons.
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anNofMe other suggestion: you probably don’t need the “months” thing - it’s pretty obvious what’s going on w/o the label. Maybe just put the little calendar icon next to the year?
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anNofMe techlifeweb: I’m in a similar boat… and if indiewebifying isn’t a word, it probably should be
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snarfed http://indiewebify.me/ would vote that it is :P
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: those output dictionaries look wrong...
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techlifeweb anNofMe: I may scrap WP altogether. Haven't decided.
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: https://kylewm.com/api/mf2?url=http://www.pierre-o.fr/blog/2014/08/02/permashortlinks/
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anNofMe snarfed: ha!
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snarfed techlifeweb: just fyi, plenty of us use wordpress and are fully indiewebified!
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snarfed lots of info on http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress
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snarfed (i use it myself)
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anNofMe techlifeweb: I’m mostly planning to scrap WP because I don’t understand the SQL databases it uses… lack of technical knowledge is it’s own form of siloing I think
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: yeah that is what I mean the first author should be inside the properties of the h-entry, which it is in the link to kyle's mf2py but not in your code example
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: ah. i may have removed too much when i simplified my examples
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techlifeweb snarfed: thanks. Yep, been reading that page.
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snarfed checkikng
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anNofMe snarfed: I’m sure there are plenty of good reasons to use WP, and I may well go back just for ease of use purposes, but as this whole thing is a learning exercise as much as anything else, I think I’d like to be a bit more in control (read: know what’s happening behind the scenes)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: yes, my bad, i'll fix the examples. still, the bigger question remains, the author-inside-author
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snarfed (also, my mf2py repo is up to date with yours)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: in anycase to find author you should be doiing the following: Find first item of type=h-entry, then look in properties for "author". If it is a string use as name, if it is dictionary assume it is h-card then use the property=name of the hcard... the second "author" is a result of bad markup but it is irrelevant to parsing in these cases
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: sure. i'm not just running the authorship algorithm here though. i'm transforming the whole object to activitystreams. i'm happy to do whatever with the embedded author string, i just didn't expect it, so i didn't (and still don't) know what to do
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: ignore it. it seems to be saying that this is the author of the h-card which is irrelevant. you should only look for name property in the h-card
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KartikPrabhu the authors of those blogs should be using p-name instead of p-author inside the h-card
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snarfed well, i should look for tons of stuff in the h-card - url, photo, address, etc - but ok, i can happily ignore an inner author property
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snarfed thanks. want me to file an mf2py bug? or is this expected output?
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KartikPrabhu this is the expected output.
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KartikPrabhu the markup seems to be incorrect for what they are conveying
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lewiscowper evening all, nice to meet everyone
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KartikPrabhu hi lweiscowper
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KartikPrabhu lewiscowper!
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KartikPrabhu not the best way to say "hi" by misspelling the nick :P
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lewiscowper Tab complete is a wonderous thing. ;)
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lewiscowper I figured I'd come in and say hello for now, I'm going to tear down and rebuild my site in an indie way over the next few weeks. I may have met some of you at the indie tech summit in Brighton last month.
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KartikPrabhu lewiscowper: I suggest starting small with setting up rel=me stuff on current site so you can log into the wiki and edit/contribute to things :)
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lewiscowper That's where I've gone so far, setting up indieauth. :)
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KartikPrabhu neat!
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lewiscowper Just got a shorter domain so that I can focus on working toward POSSE
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KartikPrabhu lewiscowper++ for setting up indieauth. here take internet-pointz!
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Loqi lewiscowper has 1 karma
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lewiscowper Thanks! That's awesome. :)
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lewiscowper I am having an issue with indiewebify.me, I'm here http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flewiscowper.org and it's saying that it can't fetch either my twitter or my github profile when I hit the test button
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lewiscowper but indieauth worked just this minute.
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KartikPrabhu lewiscowper: that is strange. your markup looks correct anyway. maybe indiewebify.me is having some other issues
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snarfed lewiscowper: maybe indiewebify.me doesn't follow redirects. try https://twitter.com/… and https://github.com/…
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KartikPrabhu oh
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KartikPrabhu good point snarfed
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lewiscowper Thanks snarfed. That's got it sorted! Excellent
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lewiscowper Now on to microformats
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KartikPrabhu anNofMe: you might be interested in http://indiewebcamp.com/databases-antipattern
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KartikPrabhu lewiscowper: didn't know my irc client had tab-complete! :P
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lewiscowper Do you know now?
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KartikPrabhu yeah! thanks to you
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lewiscowper awesome. :)
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lewiscowper Glad I could help
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lewiscowper KartikPrabhu++ for learning about tab complete. :)
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 52 karma
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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techlifeweb KartikPrabhu: I didn't know about that either. Ha! Thanks, lewiscowper!
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KartikPrabhu learning to spell is now an arcane skill! thanks technology!
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lewiscowper techlifeweb++ I usually just remember the first few characters of busy chatroom participants user names because it's just tec[Tab], kar[Tab]. :)
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Loqi techlifeweb has 1 karma
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techlifeweb lewiscowper: it's awesome. I can't believe I've gone this long without it.
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lewiscowper Hahaha, I'm glad I could help.
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Loqi awesome
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techlifeweb KartikPrabhu: spelling is one thing. Typing user names in entirely different.
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techlifeweb lewiscowper: also, thanks for my first karma. :)
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lewiscowper No problem.
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techlifeweb my first karma wasn't even about indieweb. I guess I have a lot to learn :D
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@xtof_fr .@pierreozoux Merci pour ton bonus #indieweb inspirant pour l’install de permalien-raccourci sur @jekyllrb http://christopheducamp.com/indielog/2014-214/ (twitter.com/_/status/495695580291928064)
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bear KartikPrabhu - yea, it will probably get split out but right now it's convienent for my debugging - but yes, I should do that
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KartikPrabhu bear: I see. I was looking to cleanup my webmention code with probably including mf2 awareness into it (like look for links only in first h-entry by default) and ran into this
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bear go ahead and clean up - just comment out anything causing you grief and add a # BEAR marker or something
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bear i'll pull in your changes and adjust
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KartikPrabhu cool. will get to it sometime soon and PR you
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bear just merge it in
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bear i'm keen to get your mf2 code live
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KartikPrabhu aaha! sweet
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bear and all of my additions can be added in (or split out to a indieauth only project)
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KartikPrabhu bear: maybe a Japanese name Ninka = authorisation (according to Google) will help spur you on :P
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bear oooo!
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bear writes that down
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KartikPrabhu i have no idea how accurate Google's japanese is
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bear I have a kanji site I visit to find these project names :)
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KartikPrabhu apparently Ninka = 認可
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KartikPrabhu is impressed his irc client did that correctly
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bear :)
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