#indiewebcamp 2014-08-04

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KartikPrabhu bear: if i use pip with a requirements file are those URLs added to the dependecy path or override them?
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bear yea, the answer is "it depends"
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bear because it depends on how the install was started
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KartikPrabhu judas priest
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bear I would just put them into setup.py using install_requires keyword
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KartikPrabhu I see
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bear have you tried to add the git url ones to setup.py's depednecy_links arguement?
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bear this allows you to reference a package in install_requires but not have it to be on pypi
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KartikPrabhu bear: yes that is what I am doing now. But gives this error for ronkyuu: "Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement ronkyuu>=0.2.8 (from connection) (from versions: 0.2.1alpha, 0.2.2, 0.2.3, 0.2.4, 0.2.6, 0.2.7)"
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KartikPrabhu seems like somehow 0.2.8 does not exist even though it is at 0.2.8 at the moment
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bear let me check pypi
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KartikPrabhu bear: this is from github
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bear is the github public url in your url list?
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bear not the one that you use your ssh key for
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu the URL is "git+https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu.git#egg=ronkyuu"
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bear try it with only http://
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KartikPrabhu somehow mf2py worked with https
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KartikPrabhu bear: same error with http
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KartikPrabhu also changed version to be ronkyuu==0.2.8
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bear yea, I'm having trouble with it also - it used to work
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bear all I can find on google are other folks also having trouble
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KartikPrabhu weird
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bear any clues if you run pip in debug mode?
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KartikPrabhu err how to do that?
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bear -vv
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KartikPrabhu ok
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KartikPrabhu well boo it seems it is still taking ronkyuu from pypi instead of github! and pypi does not have 0.2.8 it seems
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KartikPrabhu so dependency_links is not working for some reason
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bear I can add you to the ronkyuu pypi setup
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bear do you have an account for pypi?
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KartikPrabhu no. and i think pypi is not the problem. I just want to install from some other URL
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bear nods
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KartikPrabhu <makes grummpy face>
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bear have you installed it into a venv using pip -e ?
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bear anything that depends on it should detect that it's already present
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bear i'm never seeing this because I just to python setup.py sdist
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bear pip -e ...
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KartikPrabhu I haven't installed ronkyuu manually in virtualenv. I want to see if my package auto-installs it as a dependecy
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bear nods
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bear create a pypi account and let me know - I'll add you to the user list
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KartikPrabhu ok so I used --process-dependency-links and it gives me error as "Skipping link git+http://github.com/bear/ronkyuu.git#egg=ronkyuu
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KartikPrabhu wrong project name (not ronkyuu)" which seems wrong
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bear (even if it doesn't solve your problem)
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bear have you see this article: https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/786
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bear it seems that the urllib that setup.py uses doesn't quite get the http request set properly
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bear this is the SO question talking about it https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15871081/install-transient-bitbucket-dependencies-via-pip
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KartikPrabhu urgh
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KartikPrabhu gives up on this for the moment... will get back to it
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KartikPrabhu thanks bear
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bear :)
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bear np
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KartikPrabhu man this shouldn't be that hard
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bear nope - but i've been saying that about every package management tool since the days when software came on floppies
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KartikPrabhu <sigh>
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bear the funny/sad thing is - i'm the person who got the guy who wrote easy_install to write it
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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bear back in the earlier days of python packaging when I was build/release person for Chandler at OSAF
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bear shrugs and goes back to creating project ninka
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KartikPrabhu another "publishing platform" https://ghost.org/
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bear yea, that was big a while ago because it used kickstarter IIRC
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bear and is a nodejs app I think
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KartikPrabhu yeah it is node.js based
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KartikPrabhu all these things suggest to me that people really have no intrinsic problem with silos... unless they do something bad which they inevitably do
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bear silos are never perceived as bad in the beginning
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bear because early adopters all have confirmation bias about using them
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KartikPrabhu the strange bit is every silo gets a fresh clean start wrt to people's opinion and everyone moves to it... people don't see a pattern
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KartikPrabhu my current thought is that even if indieweb tools become easy to use, people won't switch to them because "why"?
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KartikPrabhu clearing "owning your data" is not a motivation for most people
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KartikPrabhu s/clearing/clearly
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: clearly "owning your data" is not a motivation for most people
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bear the key is, IMO, even IndieWeb is a silo - but it's how big of a shadow does the silo cast
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bear with IndieWeb the "shadow" is a person or their family
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bear and as long as the interop is all open formats / standards - then that is a Good Silo (tm)
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KartikPrabhu but then you are also responsible for your own data. Now if my Twitter account is compromised I can yell at twitter. But if my indiewebsite gets compromised it is purely my fault
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KartikPrabhu why should I take that responsibility?
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bear yep
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bear because now it's more up front
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bear you have to explicitly decide to have your data in someone's silo
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bear for backup or whatever
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KartikPrabhu but again that is a philosophical reason
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bear but that is also why IndieWeb level 3 is consumer friendly tools that can be hosted elsewhere
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bear so a vendor of IndieWeb would be a silo of silos
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bear similiar to how people buy cars...
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KartikPrabhu if all the tools are the same what is the use of a vendor?
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bear they are have the same basic behaviour and safety
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bear but vary in style, performance and features
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KartikPrabhu then a particular vendor must be doing something special that is not the indieweb interop thing
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bear we don't know that yet
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KartikPrabhu true
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bear they may be fully indieweb interop and just have an amazing customer service or dashboard to maintain/configure
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KartikPrabhu will reserve his cynicism until indevendors come around
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bear or they could be the ModelT of indieweb - you pick from a palette of items - as long as it's black
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bear yea, channelling Tantek… let's wait until we have that problem or choice
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bear is pushing ronkyuu v0.2.9 (sans IndieAuth parts)
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KartikPrabhu feels compelled to counter all the optimism in this channel :P
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bear naysayers are welcome - as long as it's an opinion derived from use or code
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KartikPrabhu mine is an opinion that comes from my failure to get friends excited in this concept
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KartikPrabhu they think it is cool as a coding problem but no one says "I should do that too"
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the best way for you to get friends excited in the concept is to keep doing awesome stuff on your own site
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tantek don't worry that they're not interested in it yet
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KartikPrabhu tantek: hasn't worked so far
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tantek KartikPrabhu: keep cranking on your own site
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tantek eventually they'll see *something* (unpredictable what that will be) that you've done there, and it will inspire them to ask you how you did it, and how they can do it too
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KartikPrabhu tantek: well personally I don't really care if people are themselves excited by this or not. Just a pattern of not caring I have observed
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KartikPrabhu particularly since I am on Twitter and FB and G+ they just use that anyway
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tantek KartikPrabhu: then perhaps consider figuring out how to reduce your own use of Twitter, FB, G+
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tantek by replacing it with using your own site instead
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KartikPrabhu i exclusively tweet through POSSEing but I still POSSE it
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tantek that's fine. are you also POSSEing to FB and G+ or are you still silo posting there?
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KartikPrabhu POSSEing to G+ too.... don't really do any FB anymore
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KartikPrabhu I have also stopped posting comments on G+ as G+ comments don't have permalinks
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tantek suggestion for http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kartikprabhu.com - how about moving the "Done" things to their own section at the bottom, and re-assess your itches to see which of those you're most excited about solving
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tantek Have you written a post (even brief) about how you "have stopped posting comments on G+ as G+ comments don't have permalinks" ?
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tantek that would be good to see written up as an explicit policy decision
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KartikPrabhu no. have been thinking of work-arounds for now
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tantek report the problem first
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tantek and then add a citation to your blog post to: http://indiewebcamp.com/G+#Lack_of_comment_permalinks
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KartikPrabhu will consider
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tantek but definitely about the "Done" section and re-assessing your itches
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KartikPrabhu I have a small focus list of itches but I run into dumb issues with stuff like pip
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tantek what is pip?
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tantek also, KartikPrabhu re: Ghost - we have pretty decent documentation of it at /Ghost - feel free to add to that if you know anything knew. I for one am not too optimistic about it.
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KartikPrabhu err it is the package manager for python that does not work for some simple things I want to do
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bear releases v0.2.9 of ronkyuu
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tantek \o/ bear++
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KartikPrabhu bear: new code does not actively use mf2py... just uses BS to look for first h-entry
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tantek KartikPrabhu: perhaps start /pip with that dfn and Issue?
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@artwisanggeni #python ronkyuu 0.2.9: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.9 (twitter.com/_/status/496101629993566208)
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KartikPrabhu goes to make dinner
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bear enjoy KartikPrabhu
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bear edits release note to remove mf2py note
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tantek Loqi why u no ++bear?
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Loqi :)
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tantek bear++ attempt 3
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Loqi bear has 17 karma
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bear :)
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tantek enjoy KartikPrabhu!
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@legacypython ronkyuu 0.2.9: Webmention Manager (twitter.com/_/status/496108764114587648)
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@artwisanggeni #python ninka 0.1.1: IndieAuth Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.1.1 (twitter.com/_/status/496109459572146176)
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@legacypython ninka 0.1.1: IndieAuth Manager (twitter.com/_/status/496112361942425600)
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bear.im edited /User:Bear.im (+105) "added ninka project" (view diff)
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bear.im created /ninka (+346) "Created page with "'''<dfn>[https://github.com/bear/ninka ninka]</dfn>''' is a Python open source [[project]] that is being designed to handle [[IndieAuth]] requirements for static sites. == Feat..."" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /ronkyuu (-68) "remove indieauth feature item" (view diff)
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@WhyGasm The Indieweb – I’m taking control http://www.kevinpolley.com/the-indieweb-im-taking-control/124 via @kevpolley (twitter.com/_/status/496121506871513088)
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@EllaDurham Spent the afternoon sitting next to this goofy, napping dog and trying out #indieweb plugins. http://elladurham.com/2014/08/03/spent-the-afternoon-sitting-next-to-this-goofy-napping-dog-and-trying-out-indieweb-plugins/ https://twitter.com/EllaDurham/status/496138645532053504/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/496138645532053504)
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tommorris I'm just debating whether or not to apply to be an invited expert for the W3C Social WG.
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tommorris on the one hand, tantek is involved which means it's probably not going to be too much of a pointless gabfest and might actually get shit done.
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tommorris on the other, W3C WG...
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tommorris "This questionnaire is open for answers until 23:59, Boston time on 2060-12-31."
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tommorris pushes the buttons and joins the IRC channels and hopes things don't turn out to be too irritating.
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kylewm.com edited /User:Kylewm.com (+389) "/* Itches */ added photo albums to itches, note declining interest in building stuff for hypothetical gen 2ers instead of for myself" (view diff)
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tommorris hey tantek
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tantek good evening tommorris!
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tommorris tantek: so I've just applied as an invited expert to the Social WG
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tommorris on the basis that I'm a social software developer, I know some things about both microformats and upper-case Semantic Web, and I know more about the Facebook API than is healthy for one person to know.
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tantek hah! awesome.
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tommorris I may run away if it becomes too bureaucratic or crazy though.
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tantek you and me both ;)
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tommorris from earlier:
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tommorris 06:09 <tommorris> on the one hand, tantek is involved which means it's probably not going to be too much of a pointless gabfest and might actually get shit done.
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tommorris 06:09 <tommorris> on the other, W3C WG...
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tommorris I'll log into w3 wiki and add myself to the list of people who've applied for membership.
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tantek yes saw the logs :)
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tommorris I'm also lurking in irc.w3.org #social
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tantek cool
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@techlifeweb Spent the weekend beginning to move http://TechLifeWeb.com into the world of the #indieweb http://techlifeweb.com/?p=12706 (twitter.com/_/status/496192193724309505)
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@SDITSystems RT @techlifeweb: Spent the weekend beginning to move http://TechLifeWeb.com into the world of the #indieweb http://techlifeweb.com/?p=12706 (twitter.com/_/status/496192388021641216)
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@OscarSanFuentes ¿Necesitas una herramienta de monitorización de reputación? Échale un ojo a web.mention http://oscarsanfuentes.blogspot.nl/2014/07/webmention-la-aplicacion-para.html?m=1 #socialmedia (twitter.com/_/status/496244198996062208)
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cweiske !tell barnabywalters - just saw http://indiewebcamp.com/search#Barnaby_Walters - is your indexing code published somewhere?
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cweiske aaronpk, loqi is missing
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petermolnar that is why it was so quiet here :)
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natwelch.com created /User:Natwelch.com (+214) "Created page with "{{Attendee |name = Nat Welch |img = http://natwelch.com/i/nat_2013.jpg |url = http://natwelch.com/ |projects = See github. |elsewhere = [https://twitter.com/icco @icco], [https:/..."" (view diff)
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@Wordius Anyone know of an #indieweb implementation using #octopress? (twitter.com/_/status/496284033849229312)
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aaronpk not sure why Loqi has been disconnecting so much recently
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Loqi dude
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aaronpk dude
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aaronpk barnabywalters: your code that renders your reader items... is that public somewhere?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yup: https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness
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aaronpk whoa you're using elasticsearch?
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barnabywalters in particular check out https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/blob/master/src/app.php#L81 and https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/blob/master/templates/item.html.php
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yes
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barnabywalters if you’re interested in using it, the following mapping might be useful reference: https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/blob/master/src/controllers.php#L54
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aaronpk oh nice, didn't realize you could do this: "use BarnabyWalters\Mf2 as M"
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aaronpk cool. i'm working on rendering arbitrary h-entries now. I think I'm going to be making extensive use of your Mf2 class
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fourtonfish Is there a way to report issues on indiewebcamp.com? Nothing bit, just two very tiny, low-importance things I noticed.
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KartikPrabhu fourtonfish: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki
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aaronpk wow KartikPrabhu you beat me to it
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KartikPrabhu AAHA!
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fourtonfish Thanks!
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fourtonfish Also -- that was supposed to be "nothing big". As you all might have guessed.
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KartikPrabhu needs more coffee
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aaronpk needs real coffee. been stuck with hotel coffee the past few days.
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bret is there a way to get things copied to clipboard in one click without flash on a web page?
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ShaneHudson Nope :(
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bret doh
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KartikPrabhu bret: browser security
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bret oh snap... but you can have a highlight entire thing in one click
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bret thats what the url bar does on t's site
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tantek just a bit of in-page script
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bret im just realizing what a good idea that is.. highlighting is the pain point, not the keyboard shortcut to copy text
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tantek part of the /citation UI thoughts (and implementation in this case)
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tantek bret there is some way to do it without flash but it is not well documented
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tantek oh no sorry I misread.
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tantek you can *add* to the copy that is made to the clipboard, see http://indiewebcamp.com/citation#append_to_text_selection_copy
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tantek but you can't actually do the copy operation itself purely from javascript
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bret security wise, thats probrably a good thing
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tantek right - the user could lose the data they have in the clipboard
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@qiqing RT @gigaom: Startup @SandstormIO wants to make decentralized hosting of indieweb apps viable, thanks to a personalized cloud. http://t.co/c… (twitter.com/_/status/496342286809059328)
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willnorris the problem with auto-highlighting the entire textarea is that it prevents highlighting a subsection of it. This drove me crazy on https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ where I wanted to highlight just the “/api/webmention” URL, not the full <link> element (/cc voxpelli). Tantek’s URL box is a little different since it’s less likely that you want to select a substring. I’ve not found a site that strikes a good balance here.
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voxpelli willnorris: ah, yeah, I know what you mean – drives me crazy as well, not sure why I did it that way :/
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voxpelli willnorris: one could probably do a better one which only selects the entire text if no selection has been made, but haven't kept up to date on the javascript API:s for selecting text so not sure how complex that would be
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willnorris yeah, something like that would be ideal
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willnorris so I think this is kinda neat. I now have GET requests to https://willnorris.com/api/webmention served as a static site with a webmention form, but POST requests to the same URL are proxied to voxpelli’s webmention.herokuapp.com. Best of both worlds: a customized “visible endpoint that teaches” while still using an external service, which is necessary for static sites. (blog post and nginx config forthcoming when I have a moment)
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snarfed willnorris++ nice!
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voxpelli willnorris++
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@withknown Building a respectful social publishing platform that gives you full control #indieweb http://stream.withknown.com/2014/building-a-respectful-social-publishing-platform-that-gives-you-full (twitter.com/_/status/496345882829144064)
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@benwerd RT @withknown: Building a respectful social publishing platform that gives you full control #indieweb http://stream.withknown.com/2014/building-a-respectful-social-publishing-platform-that-gives-you-full (twitter.com/_/status/496346049901232128)
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voxpelli willnorris: suprisingly easy to fix the auto-select, committed a change: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/commit/60570bcfa6422969e1ece26e3dbab4dae4846a1d#diff-1
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@florenciavirgi1 RT @t: Since my prev post used a ## URL, time to deploy #fragmention polyfill. #indieweb #showdonttell http://tantek.com/2014/179/b1/indiewebcamp-thoughts-before-gathering##standard%20way%20to%20make%20URLs%20that%20refer%20to%20a%20selection%20of%20text%20on%20a%20page (ttk.me t4XH2) (twitter.com/_/status/496358433353113600)
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willnorris voxpelli++ nice :)
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willnorris voxpelli: has that been pushed to heroku yet? I’m still seeing the full auto-select behavior
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voxpelli willnorris: not yet, I have another upcoming change I want to produce a test for first, then I'll push them both
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willnorris ah, got it
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voxpelli working on it right now so will soon push
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tantek willnorris: that is very clever
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willnorris tantek: thanks :) I was pretty happy when it occurred to me that I could do that. It only took like 4 extra lines of nginx config
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tantek willnorris: could you add yourself, your site, and explicitly note how that GET vs POST difference in response of your endpoint to the end of the list here: http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#IndieWeb_Examples
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willnorris yeah, will do
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tantek especially if you could include a <pre> of those 4 extra lines :) Thanks!
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willnorris yep
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aaronpk willnorris: nice! Mine only has a link to the wiki for a get request
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tantek I like this whole idea/pattern that API endpoints should provide user friendly HTML responses to a GET.
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willnorris currently, submitting the form displays the JSON response from the heroku app directly in the browser. I still need to add some JS to send the request and display a nice response.
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aaronpk My HTML form under each post adds a hidden field called "from_browser" or something, and if that's set, my webmention endpoint returns an HTML response
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aaronpk The Webmention spec doesn't actually say you need to return JSON
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tantek willnorris: perhaps simply redirect to the TARGET URL which would display the result of processing the webmention
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tantek upon form submission
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aaronpk Oh yeah wait maybe that's what mine does. Can't remember what I decided
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tantek aaronpk same thing - rather than an HTML response saying "got it" etc, just reload the page and perhaps highlight the new comment, fave, repost etc.
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tantek the permalink page
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aaronpk Right
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willnorris ah, that’s a good idea… I like that. I’ll have to see how tricky that is with no server-side code :) shouldn’t be too hard
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aaronpk Yeah that's more similar to what you'd see on Facebook or twitter
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willnorris I also like adactio’s webmention form at the bottom of each post (at least he used to have that, not sure if he still does)
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tantek aaronpk bingo
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tantek willnorris: he does. as does aaronpk and many others
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kartikprabhu.com edited /webmention (-86) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ updated my webmention sending" (view diff)
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aaronpk I should do this with my micropub endpoint too
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk That'd be a way for micropub endpoints to advertise what fields they accept
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aaronpk By outputting an HTML form
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tantek makes sense, for testing, documentation, discovery, and user friendliness
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voxpelli willnorris: updated the herokuapp now – if you come up with any more ideas for tweaks and extensions then I'm all ears – here, on GitHub etc :)
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aaronpk And for client discovery
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aaronpk I'm alreadyf experimenting with that to add "syndicate to" checkboxes on Quill based on what your micropub endpoint says it can syndicate to
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willnorris voxpelli: nice!
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Discovering_Supported_Syndication_Targets
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cweiske barnabywalters, I saw the screenshot of your elasticsearch based site search today. is the indexing code somewhere public?
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barnabywalters cweiske: the indexing code for that particular UI isn’t published anywhere as it was a throwaway prototype which led to https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness, which is public
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barnabywalters see: https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/blob/master/src/app.php#L81 for the indexing code and https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/blob/master/src/controllers.php#L54 for the elasticsearch mapping
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barnabywalters it can be tested here: http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/
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cweiske so you think that the indie reader can replace site search for you?
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cweiske since you only publish hfeed content?
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barnabywalters cweiske: my search prototype would look for h-entry content and index if it it found it, but index other pages using their text content
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barnabywalters or looking for <article> markup
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barnabywalters I’ll probably do the same thing in shrewdness, but getting subscriptions working properly is a higher priority
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barnabywalters I do think that it makes sense to have the reader and search in the same place, as theu
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barnabywalters they’re storing a lot of the same data
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cweiske I tried swiftype today, http://live.swiftype.com/live?key=aZqUjVt1RyCoitTBE2Rx&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcweiske.de%2F
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cweiske but you they don't index everything and fail to tell me why or when they continue
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bret barnabywalters, is there anything special about the taproot posting interface access token?
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bret trying to pin down why my endpoint isnt finding the access token (its looking in the body and header)
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barnabywalters bret: Taproot’s note posting interface should have the token in the request body
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barnabywalters so that’s the place to start
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bret its called access_token right?
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barnabywalters I think so, yes
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@voxpelli @pfefferle Do your WebMentions pinger throttle pings? My endpoint throttles page fetches and I noticed a WordPress site hit my cap on that (twitter.com/_/status/496378582126825473)
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tantek what is access_token?
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bret its part of ouath/indieauth
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snarfed voxpelli: re that tweet, they may have an older version of the plugin that doesn't have this bug fix: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/30
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tantek bret - would it be reasonable to stub a /access_token article with brief dfn and link to oauth/indieauth for more details?
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voxpelli snarfed: yeah, saw that one – thinks this is rather something editing multiple pages at once and sending pings for +10 pages in a very short amount of time
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voxpelli snarfed: my endpoint is currently set to never fetch a page from a domain more often than one per minute and to never queue more than 10 pages – might be a bit too hard from my side
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snarfed voxpelli: probably yes. maybe use something like a leaky bucket, so you throttle over time but still allow bursts
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voxpelli snarfed: I let 10 pages queue up and fetches them over time, but perhaps I should allow more – since I don't save them to the database but just keep them in memory right now I don't want to accept too many – rather have the pinger retry later on themselves
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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kylewm.com edited /Medium (+360) "/* Criticism */ add New Editor Features and backlash" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu so the latest Medium backlash suggests that people do really want to put things in a pre-made template
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bear willnorris - I wonder if you could do that redirect via nginx by having the heroku app send back a POST for success to a url with the url as a query parm
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bear you should be able to sniff that query parm (or even header?) in the /success location handler
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Loqi yea
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willnorris yeah, possibly. But since this is mainly for form submissions, it might be easier to just do it all in JS
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bear nods
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bear my static site is trying to be js free so I may explore that method :)
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KartikPrabhu willnorris: forms can be submitted in not JS too so you might want to have progressive enhancement of some sort
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bret !tell tantek I can't right now but I will when I can
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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willnorris KartikPrabhu: sure, it works today with no JS, the result just isn’t pretty (JSON response displayed in the browser)
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KartikPrabhu but why use JS for somethign that can be done without it anyway
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@voxpelli @pfefferle As long as it retries if it gets a 503 response it works fine. Added a retry hint if that helps: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/commit/47a4ab23f4a6ad70a535c6fa751250a9aebecdfb (twitter.com/_/status/496396688899444736)
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willnorris because I’m not sure if this realistically can be done without JS (though I’d certainly be interested to see what bear comes up with). I’m using nginx as a reverse proxy to forward this request to heroku, so I’m not sure what all I can do with that response… I’ll have to read up on that
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bear willnorris, KartikPrabhu - my thought was to use this nginx module: http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_sub_module.html
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voxpelli willnorris: there's actually some content negotiation, so I guess you have a JSON extension in your browser? https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/blob/master/lib/routes/api.js#L104
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willnorris voxpelli: ah, good point. yes, I do. then for most users they’d just see a plain text response, which is certainly better than JSON
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voxpelli willnorris: I could also add a prettier HTML page as I did for https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/webmention
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willnorris in which case I feel even less inclined to come up with a non-JS solution :)
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willnorris well, I do have a pretty page for the initial GET request (http://willnorris.dev/api/webmention). I’m not sure if I can still serve a custom response page for POST requests since I’m doing the reverse proxy to heroku. the nginx module bear mentioned may be one option
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bear yea, i'm researching this now and it seems convulated
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willnorris (I’m also trying to avoid building nginx from source, which it looks like that module may require)
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willnorris err, no nevermind. apt’s nginx-extras includes it, which is what I’m running
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voxpelli nginx seems likesom truly magic static pages stuff
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voxpelli willnorris: added a task about a nice HTML page anyway – my GitHub Pages blog will need it if nothing else: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/7 :)
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 23 minutes ago: I can't right now but I will when I can
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tantek thanks bret!
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@pfefferle @voxpelli hmmm... I removed something like that a couple of weeks ago... https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/30 (twitter.com/_/status/496402485087461377)
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tantek and good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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willnorris I thought it was always morning when you enter a channel? :)
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willnorris (http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html I forget who shared that the other day)
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tantek I think I remember JonathanNeal sharing that a while ago
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tantek !tell aaronpk, good news / bad news. remember those session start errors we were seeing on tantek.dev/falcon ? now the same errors are happening on tantek.com/falcon, but I still haven't figured out what php.ini etc. magic I need to fix it - in either (or both) place(s).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@CTSIatUCSF Turner & @eric_meeks at #UCCSC: Shouts out to @indiewebcamp & linked technologies for research networking https://twitter.com/CTSIatUCSF/status/496406289082097664/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/496406289082097664)
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tantek I have no idea what the relevance of that mention is, anybody? tommorris?
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tommorris tantek: nothing to do with me. ;-)
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gRegor` tantek: Look like the server can't write to /home/tantek/tmp/
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tantek gRegor`: so either it used to be able to, or it used to write to some other path
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tantek I don't know which so I am unable to undo this implicit change
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barnabywalters tantek: can you SSH into your server? if so, see what the permissions for /home/tantek/tmp are
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barnabywalters the majority of my deployment woes are to do with permissions
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gRegor` It seems unlikely, but it's possible the session.save_path configuration changed. http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.session-save-path.php
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tantek this is good, I should document both of these in /PHP#Troubleshooting
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tantek a-ha looks like my webhost migrated me to a new server
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gRegor` Ahh
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@npm_tweets webmention-testpinger 0.4.1 https://www.npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twitter.com/_/status/496412626403229697)
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JonathanNeal willnorris: it’s always morning
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willnorris except when you leave, no?
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willnorris or maybe we should just use “good morrow” ? :)
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bret barnabywalters: figured it out. I had to append "Bearer " to the body encoded token
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bret woop woop
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bret arbitrary micropub client support :)
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barnabywalters bret: yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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bret barnabywalters presumably I will have to do some kind of parsing and verification
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bret of token format
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barnabywalters bret: “bearer” is part of the HTTP auth header and shouldn’t be required in body tokens
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bret maybe its a bug with the token endpoint then?
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barnabywalters it’s the string identifying the auth method
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barnabywalters bret: to get the token from the auth header you remove the “Bearer ” prefix
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bret the token endpoint Im using wont accept just the token without the Bearer part
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barnabywalters bret: it’s probably expecting the whole header value to be provided
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barnabywalters when actually only the token is the token :)
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barnabywalters so you can either manually append Bearer to body tokens, or fix the endpoint code
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bret you mean token endpoint?
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bret aaronpk where you do want this reported?
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barnabywalters bret: whatever code you are passing the token to
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@gasull RT @ciberch: stop being someone else's product #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/496416077292003328)
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bret https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth-Token-Endpoint/issues/2
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bret barnabywalters sweet :) not I can use your rad clients. Do they do any kind of preprocessing?
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bret s/not/now
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Loqi bret meant to say: barnabywalters sweet :) now I can use your rad clients. Do they do any kind of preprocessing?
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barnabywalters bret: nope, the data is sent raw from the form
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barnabywalters it doesn’t even touch my server — check out the action, it should be your endpoint
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bret do you use markdown in them?
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barnabywalters bret: I author my notes (and articles) in markdown+HTML, then store+edit the HTML in future
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bret cool ok well im happpy for today
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jenmontes.com edited /webmention (-1) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Tiny typo" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /micropub-endpoint (-84) "/* Indieweb Examples */" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /micropub (+21) "/* See Also */ added token-endpoint to See Also" (view diff)
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bret.io created /access_token (+102) "Created page with "{{stub}} access_token is is a token that is given to a [[micropub]] client from a [[token-endpoint]]."" (view diff)
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tantek what is an access_token?
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kylewm.com edited /access_token (+11) "add <dfn> tags around access_token" (view diff)
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kylewm what is an access_token?
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barnabywalters it’s a search problem not a <dfn> problem — if the page exists but has no summary markup loqi posts the URL
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kylewm what is an access token?
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Loqi access_token is is a token that is given to a micropub client from a token-endpoint http://indiewebcamp.com/access_token
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kylewm thx barnabywalters
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bret.io edited /micropub (+19) "/* See Also */ Added [[access_token]]" (view diff)
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tantek what is marginalia?
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tantek ahem
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu could you stub a /marginalia page so we can ask Loqi what is marginalia?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com created /marginalia (+57) "left in a forwarding link until KartikPrabhu gets to making a dfn, summary etc" (view diff)
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Loqi [@benwerd] @tef I feel like this is somewhere #indieweb is useful
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Loqi why aren't we scrobbling to our own sites? (http://twtr.io/pFhgsNPpkb)