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#voxpelliAnother reason to avoid silos – even if they use open tech like RSS they can still block certain clients from fetching it – like Tumblr has done with Bloglovin: http://www.bloglovin.com/tumblr-update
#kodfabrik.seedited /static-site (+79) "Added link to the web hosting static domain section (which should likely be partly moved here eventually)" (view diff)
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#techlifewebWordPress users... anyone know if there's a plugin for POSSE that will do the posting based on a tag? That would let me set up autoposting but it would only do it when I wanted.
#techlifewebKartikPrabhu: thanks. Yes I'm using that now. Main reason I don't like that is that it is either always on or always off (if you edit your functions). And you cant change it from Press This or a client like Android
#KartikPrabhutechlifeweb: I thought for each post it gave you option to choose which network to POSSE to
#techlifewebKartikPrabhu: yes it does but really only if you are posting from within wordpress.
#techlifewebShaneHudson: thanks, I'll take a look at that.
#KartikPrabhuoh hmm. maybe wordpress does not expose plugin to clients like Press This etc...
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#ben_thatmustbeme!tell aaronpk is ownyourgram.com supposed to be sending anything other than photos. Admittedly my micropub functionality isn't complete but I have gotten 3 different posts of non-images which ends up broken. I'm logging all the output now to see if/when it happens again and what its sending.
#voxpellijonnybarnes: 301 as it is a permanent move
#lewiscowperIs there a way to do POSSE to twitter without using PHP. Wanting to keep the site as simple as possible, ideally doing it in JS or NodeJS. Any modules/things to look out for?
#jonnybarneskylewm voxpelli: so set a CNAME in my DNS and set my nginx config todo a 301 redirect should get everything working correctly?
#voxpellikylewm: why the need to support IndieAuth in a CLI? Lets not make IndieAuth.com a new centralized service, if you can do the relme and twitter auth yourself, then why not?
#voxpellijonnybarnes: I don't think a CNAME is what you want, depends on how you want to send 301:s from the old domain
#kylewmvoxpelli: definitely don't want to centralize/require indieauth.com, trying to write a command line (actually emacs lisp) micropub client. so i have to use whatever authorization_endpoint the user gives me. mine happens to be indieauth.com
#voxpellikylewm: oh, haven't looked into rel-authorization_endpoint, not sure I really understand its use case, will have to read up
#lewiscowperkylewm: Ideally what I want is to write a post to my Notes section, and have it with it's own permalink and then send that to twitter. Having a Twitter box on my site seems to go against what I want as regards to silos and stuff.
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#snarfedlewiscowper: if you don't tweet a lot, consider posseing manually to start, ie literally copy and paste into twitter's web ui
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#kylewmjonnybarnes: definitely take voxpelli's word over mine w/r/t CNAME
#snarfedfor me, doing things manually for a while first has been a great way to learn what i actually care about (and don't)
#snarfedlewiscowper: then, once you're ready to automate, if your site can send webmentions, kylewm and i have a bridge to sell you. :P https://www.brid.gy/about#publish
#voxpellijonnybarnes: ideally your DNS-company provides an option for redirecting one domain to another and takes care of all 301:s
#jonnybarnesvoxpelli: will have to look into that, currently my email host fastmail.fm handles my DNS
#Loqiaaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: is ownyourgram.com supposed to be sending anything other than photos. Admittedly my micropub functionality isn't complete but I have gotten 3 different posts of non-images which ends up broken. I'm logging all the output now to see if/when it happens again and what its sending.
#aaronpkit should only be sending photos! I wonder what's up
#voxpellijonnybarnes: it mentions it under a section regarding websites hosted outside of fastmail? well – alternative would be to point it to the same server and on the server make some check of domain name and if not the new domain name, then redirect it to the right place – in .htaccess or similar
#jonnybarnesvoxpelli: at the monent both .net an .uk are pointed at my VPS, and my nginx config currently "points" them to the same php file
#jonnybarnesvoxpelli: so currently going to either domain results in exactly the same content being returned
#jgarberQuestion for everyone: How are you storing the microformat data of an h-entry you've pulled from someone else's post that has linked to your post? (e.g. a single column in a db with a hash of the parsed h-entry, many columns mapped to h-entry properties, etc.)
#aaronpkjgarber: I store the JSON version in a file on disk
#ben_thatmustbemeit should be the only server that has micropub access and I am only using micropub for instagram photos thus far. but I'll try and nail it down.
#aaronpkI guess I mean maybe you're getting random POST requests?
#jgarberaaronpk: Whenever you want to display a reply context or comment, the app opens the right file and parses the JSON?
#tantek.comedited /email_list (+356) "/* IndieWeb thoughts */ link back to github issue for Bridgy feature requests to support POSSE to email (lists) and receiving webmentions for replies on those lists" (view diff)
#jonnybarnesjgarber aaronpk given a webmention I curently save the raw HTML to file and parse out the relavent data to an array, serialize the array and put that in a db
#ben_thatmustbemeaaronpk, scratch all that, found the error was in my unfinished micropub code. you were right, random posts that happened to have enough to get past some of the checks, and then actually testing the auth wasn't there
#ben_thatmustbemethats the problem with putting stuff down for 2 months
#aaronpkyeah I was using that cause the Ruby parser wasn't finished yet
#jonnybarnesthe next thing on the todo list is given an h-entry where the h-card is actually a refrence (i.e. the h-card is on the homepage) go and grab the homepage and get the relavent author info
#jonnybarnesaaronpk: when I goto a note on your site, how does p3k know there are JSON replies to render?
#aaronpkthe reason I use it for this is because you can append items to an array by just appending to the file, you don't need to parse it to add things
#jgarberAnd if the h-entry doesn't have either of those properties (say it's just an h-entry that includes a mention to your URL), do you infer it's a reply?
#tantek.comedited /PHP (+320) "/* session start failed */ should also provide additional error handling" (view diff)
#jgarberInteresting, okay. Do you display replies and references differently on your site?
#aaronpkyeah right now I'm showing generic (unknown) references as just the URL. not totally sure i'm happy with it yet tho.
#jgarberSeems reasonable. Determining what to show from the full text of an h-entry that references your post could be dicey. You could show x characters before/after the mention, but that's out of context. Showing the entire post could be lengthy and distracting, etc. etc.
#tantek.comedited /PHP (+176) "/* session start failed */ provide option and citation for how to do even more work if you're into that sort of thing (or maybe security something something)" (view diff)
#KevinMarksAt Technorati we grabbed 256 chars either side of the link and then trimmed at word boundaries. We tried stopping at sentence boundaries but that looked too complete and people didn't like through to read the whole post (which was what the bloggers wanted from us)
#LoqiKevinMarks meant to say: At Technorati we grabbed 256 chars either side of the link and then trimmed at word boundaries. We tried stopping at sentence boundaries but that looked too complete and people didn't click through to read the whole post (which was what the bloggers wanted from us)
#tantek.comedited /PHP (+525) "/* Troubleshooting */ documentation reflects actual real world trouble shooting and solution, please only edit if you have real world firsthand experience to add, not just might or should be" (view diff)
#Loqitantek meant to say: (no native *apps on iOS)
#tantekthat being said, I think aaronpk's challenge is a good one
#tanteknow that we understand how to enable our sites to be added to the user's home screen with their own /icon
#tanteknext would be some form of minimal offline support, where at least your home page was cached somehow on the user's machine
#tantekaside: pretty sure I've now written up everything I had to do to fix the PHP session_start errors I was seeing on my webhost and on my local dev machine:
#kylewmtantek: sorry being unspecific, i meant is there anything bridgy in any of the entire "to and from email" propsal. is there any way in which bridgy is better suited to do it than some new service?
#tantekfor anyone interested in posting "email" on your own site first and then POSSEing it to actual mailing lists
#tantekkylewm: yes - bridgy already has a structure for creating permalink stubs with microformats that provide the info that webmention consumers want
#tantekand on the POSSE side, Bridgy Publish also has a UI and user flow already for entering in a post permalink that you want POSSEd to another destination
#tantekfeel free to add any of those comments to the GH issue if that's helpful