#indiewebcamp 2014-08-16

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tantek !tell glennjones looks like your icon on your server broke! see: https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List##Glenn+Jones
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com created /videos_about (+39) "r" (view diff)
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bret nice video tantek.. is that a new video?
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tantek new video yes - of my closing keynote at Web Directions Code in Melbourne 2014-05-02
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kylewm love this: "simplicity popularized twitter"
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bret love the history
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KevinMarks_ does https://www.jetpac.com/ qualify for /site-deaths
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tantek did any user data get lost
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tantek wow that's a creepy sounding app
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@kevinmarks @pmarca @fmanjoo @mathewi @M_Wein how about startups deleting users' data when they get acquired? http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/500435459860729857)
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+264) "add recently released Web Directions Code video The Once and Future IndieWeb, note dates are when video was recorded" (view diff)
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bret tantek what was the rough percentage of people who were still using feed readers in the audience?
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tantek maybe like 25%? might need to check the etherpad
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bret intersting
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kylewm tantek: enough to surprise you?
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+156) "add longer indie web talk" (view diff)
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bret i find it surprising
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tantek kylewm: for sure
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bret I would expect maybe like 10%
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bret 10-15
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Loqi !calc 10-15
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tantek right
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bret I use a feed reader ^_^
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bret i like the buttery offline experience of reeder
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bret UX is still noisy and traditional though
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tantek so that "buttery offline experience" - why not add code to your own site for it to be that way after someone has loaded it on their mobile devoce?
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tantek hmm no hints in the etherpad
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+67) "Etherpad collaborative notes" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+62) "cite publication date" (view diff)
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bret tantek i used to use a manifest till browsers changed the api and stared caching the manifest... preventing the loading of new content! still need to fix that
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KartikPrabhu any good resource about this manifest stuff?
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bret KartikPrabhu http://diveintohtml5.info/offline.html the fun part is finding the out of date info!
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bret you have to explicitely tell the browser not to cache the manifest now iirc
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bret edrex, did you ever figure that cache manifest stuff out?
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@amadorgalvez RT @_AndreasGrimm: the open, #indieweb will take over .. again. @t did an awesome talk at #webdirections. https://www.youtube.com/ no more s… (twitter.com/_/status/500440346971496452)
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tantek thanks for the kind words bret and kylewm. I still haven't watched the whole thing myself and am hoping that with all the jetlag and lack of sleep I still made some sense :)
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tantek welcome Erkan_Yilmaz !
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tantek have to run now - but try adding yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people - and ask away if you have any questions!
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Erkan_Yilmaz hello :-) hope all fine here
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Erkan_Yilmaz yes, will do
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Erkan_Yilmaz thx
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kylewm hi Erkan_Yilmaz, recognize your name from status.net
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Erkan_Yilmaz hi kylewm :-)
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Erkan_Yilmaz I was using microformats today and before that I was looking at webmention and pingback notifications
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Erkan_Yilmaz and now I landed here
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Erkan_Yilmaz added in a "dirty way" microformats to Mediawiki (via templates) hcard (url fn) and hAtom
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kylewm cool, yeah lots of that sorta think on the indiewebcamp.com wiki
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Erkan_Yilmaz yes
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KevinMarks_ hm, did I lose my edit?
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kylewm KevinMarks_: to /videos_about_the_indieweb? I was keeping an eye out for it and have not seen it
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kevinmarks.com edited /videos_about_the_indieweb (+155) "/* 2014 */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ I left in in preview because I distracted myself
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KevinMarks_ just watched adactio's talk - some great quotes there
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@pwcc @adactio curious to know what you do with outgoing & incoming @/replies for your notes? In the process of going PESOS indieweb myself. (twitter.com/_/status/500484564934860800)
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edrex bret http://appcachefacts.info/
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edrex i have a new job btw, at point97 :)
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rascul what's the video site used for indiewebcamp streaming? i can't remember
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KartikPrabhu talky.io
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rascul yep that's it! thanks for remembering for me :)
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KartikPrabhu anyone think that pages loading without animation is a "problem" on the Web? : http://css-tricks.com/add-page-transitions-css-smoothstate-js/
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@lordminx Ein Post dreht sich ums #IndieWeb und was ich daran spannend/doof/problematisch finde. (twitter.com/_/status/500544160127287296)
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jonnybarnes hello #indiewebcamp
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu: of course it isnt a problem
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jonnybarnes though sometimes its a nice touch depending on context
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jonnybarnes and if you are going to do animation, may as well be as smooth as possible
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jonnybarnes anyone here use firefox nightly? have you tried that call feature accessible from the speech bubble in the top-right?
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jonnybarnes so aaronpk finally replies to an issue I opened in January 😮
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@AAinslie RT @kevinmarks: @pmarca @fmanjoo @mathewi @M_Wein how about startups deleting users' data when they get acquired? http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/500567645469827072)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/500435459860729857/500567645469827072 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu: here's an intersting article on animation: https://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2014/08/14/animating-firefox-desktop/
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KartikPrabhu jonnaybarnes: svg is pretty good for animations. The point of the previous question was that transition animation for page changing is pretty much overkill IMO. Also, making the web feel like apps is misguided
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ShaneHudson aaronpk: On the IRC logs, how hard would it be to add a toggle for 'user has joined/left'?
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@mattjones The once and future IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ /via http://tantek.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/500605504268533761)
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jonnybarnes !tell barnabywalters if I grab your sites sourcecode and save it in a html file and run \Mf2\parse($html); the output contains an h-feed, not the case for \Mf2\fetch('http://waterpigs.co.uk');
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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jonnybarnes !tell barnabywalters I've sent a pull request that shoud fix the h-feed issue
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kodfabrik.se edited /2014/UK/Guest_List (+415) "/* Attendees */ Added myself" (view diff)
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voxpelli finally took time to register to the Brighton IndieWebCamp – looking forward to it!
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jonnybarnes voxpelli: voxpelli.com and kodfabrik.se?
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voxpelli jonnybarnes: yeah, I've got two main domains, wrote down some quick thoughts about it on http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kodfabrik.se another day when Tantek wondered about it
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@jonnybarnes Today was good, found a bug on `indieweb/php-mf2` and fixed it 😃 #FOSS (https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/2_) (twitter.com/_/status/500659306245914624)
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@elliottucker Investigating #indieweb as I'm a tech hippy who likes to make things hard for himself. (twitter.com/_/status/500679662998409216)
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elliottucker Wow...that's clever. Wasn't expecting that. Nice bot.
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elliottucker (hello btw...nice to see y'all)
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GWG Hello, elliottucker
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@TheEvertBopp @elliottucker I like #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/500680420921708545)
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elliottucker Been having a think about how to do nice POSSE with a Pelican site. Would need to use something to read new feed items I guess. IFTTT can do it but...ewww.
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GWG bear uses static site generation, he might have some ideas.
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elliottucker Thanks GWG. I'll keep pouring over docs and and will prod bear if needs be.
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jonnybarnes does anyone here have keybase.io invite?
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elliottucker yep.
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elliottucker I'm new here so you can em me and I'll reply... elliot dot tucker at geeeee maaaaillll dot com
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elliottucker Must use it now and then!
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jonnybarnes elliottucker sent an email
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@tedcurran Why email will never die | The Atlantic http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/why-email-will-never-die/375973/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/500687584176001024)
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elliottucker jonnybarnes: invite sent...
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bret elliottucker, i run a static site and am very close to getting posse working
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jonnybarnes elliottucker: thanks, will get it setup later this evening
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bret the strategy that I found most effective for static sites is writing separate program that runs along side wherever your static site is hosted that can create and update posts on the static site
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bret This can act as an entry point for creating posts to the static site, while at the same time hadndling things like POSSE
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bret its a little extra infrastructure around your site, but once your site is regenerated, everything is static and maintainence is only possibly required next time you want to regenrate
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@gasull @jldevicente https://indiewebcamp.com/ RT @ciberch: stop being someone else's product #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/500689522221256704)
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kylewm bret: how do you send webmentions?
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bret kylewm when creating a new post, i am planning on throwing a task into the queue that will process the post content for links and then send webmentions
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kylewm elliottucker: take a look at https://willnorris.com/2014/08/sending-webmentions-golang, command line application for sending webmentions from a static site
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bret same with twitter posse
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bret kylewm webmentions I have sent have all been manual
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kylewm bret: cool
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bret http://bret.io/pages/outbox.html generates the oneliner needed though
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bret right now the last 3 posts dont have a webmention that I wanted to send though
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bret so its just the template
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kylewm elliottucker: have you seen bridgy publish? https://www.brid.gy/about#publishing
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bret oh yeah, that would prob be easiest
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kylewm it's possible it will trigger the same "ewww" feelings as IFTTT :)
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@DarkDelphin Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb: https://www.youtube.com/ Megasilos are running out of fuel. Time for us to innovate. (twitter.com/_/status/500691067889401858)
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elliottucker IFTTT is ...ok...but for some reason they've now using their on shortener
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elliottucker I know why they'd do it but rather they didn't.
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@gasull @jldevicente So either: a) "Pay" with privacy b) Pay with money for alternatives b) Join #indieweb d) Block tracking e) All of the above (twitter.com/_/status/500691276627316736)
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@nursingaffliate RT @MGraybosch: Not What I Had In Mind Im using the pro version of NextSc http://www.matthewgraybosch.com/?p=866 #indieweb #mistake #oops #posse #sharin… (twitter.com/_/status/500691542332690434)
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elliottucker I was also thinking of using the build system in Sublime to do the posting but that add more reliance on my local machine to post, seems clunky.
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bret elliottucker I found reliance on local building / tools to eventually get in the way of figuring out how to post from a phone
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bret its a nice option to have on the side because it works offline though
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elliottucker heh...at the moment my posting from the mobile phone involves ssh :(
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bret not fun :(
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elliottucker I could publish from a queue directory. Write the post, save to Dropbox dir and have the building fab file (in the case of pelican) running in a cron...
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@gasull @jldevicente For those (not you) who say "I want it free w/o tracking & w/o installing a browser extension or joining #indieweb" -> Grow up! (twitter.com/_/status/500692762803453952)
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kylewm been there! https://github.com/kylewm/pelican-dropblog
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bret elliottucker been working on https://github.com/bcomnes/gitpub lately to introduce more danamic features to a static jekyll site
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elliottucker Oh look..so you have..
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bret nice!
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kylewm elliottucker: i haven't used that script in ages and wouldn't recommend it for anything tho :P
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elliottucker kylewm: that's cool. will prob role my own anyhoo...
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ShaneHudson Trying to clean up a wordpress CSV export to import into craft, my regex is awful
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kylewm ShaneHudson: I assume you are just trying to construct a sentence with as many words to make us cringe as possible
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ShaneHudson :p
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kylewm :)
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ShaneHudson I'm thinking now that I should have written a script instead of using vim
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ShaneHudson *XML not CSV
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@elliottucker Setting up my IndieWeb (http://elliottucker.net/blog/2014/08/15/setting-up-my-indieweb/) (twitter.com/_/status/500701267040026624)
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elliottucker so it's not just hashtags....
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elliottucker brid.gy will do me for a start. would me nice to sort out permashortids with it then
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GWG So, my test site is now IPV6 compliant
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GWG Wonder if anyone will visit that version
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KartikPrabhu do there exist mf2 to Atom/RSS ?
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GWG Hello, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu hi
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I think barnaby does that, but i can't find it right off
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KartikPrabhu ok. was thinking of making Atom feed straight frommy h-feed instead of the database
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KartikPrabhu that way I only have to maintain the h-feed
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kylewm http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/
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kylewm just made me realize there's a problem with the avatars i put next to tagged people's names
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bret KartikPrabhu i use it on a few sites. its very repliable
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bret reliable*
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KartikPrabhu bret: the waterpigs code?
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bret ya
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bret I would like to reimplement something similar at some point
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KartikPrabhu bret: why reimplement? for fun?
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bret I want my site so be self contained
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KartikPrabhu bret: aah yes gotcha
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KartikPrabhu maybe barnabywalters can open source the code and you can just use it
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bret and its a decently easy project
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: any interests in making a python mf2 -> Atom?
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KartikPrabhu making/having/using
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bret KartikPrabhu I did a specialized version of a mf2 -> atom for the irc logs
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KartikPrabhu neat
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KartikPrabhu open source?
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bret ya
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KartikPrabhu linky... :)
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bret looking
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bret http://iwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com
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bret ithub.com/bco
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bret oops
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bret https://github.com/bcomnes/iwc-log-feed
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KartikPrabhu cool! :)
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bret its very easy
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bret point a parser at a feed, and set up an atom tempalte
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bret template
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KartikPrabhu yah the only thing I am sort of worried about is that I am not very familiar with Atom syntax
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KartikPrabhu but that should be not hard
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bret KartikPrabhu its very simple
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bret meh, this is in jade
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bret https://github.com/bcomnes/iwc-log-feed/blob/master/views/atom.jade
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KartikPrabhu cool. I'll look it up. Now to think of a name :P
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bret read it as pseudo code
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KartikPrabhu cool!
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bret KartikPrabhu this is the site you want to read: http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/ It can be figured out in ~ an afternoon
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KartikPrabhu aaha very nice! thanks for the resources.
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KartikPrabhu bret++ for Atom resources
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Loqi bret has 20 karma
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bret :D
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: yeah I'd be into that
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KartikPrabhu cool!
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KevinMarks2 Universal feed parser in python is very good
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kylewm KevinMarks2: that would be useful for Atom -> mf2, not the other way, right?
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kylewm wee, sparklines are much better on http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com now
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kylewm hmm, although, they probably look very bad on retina displays now
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kylewm shoot
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@TheEvertBopp Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb: https://www.youtube.com/ < Thinking @topgold should watch this. (twitter.com/_/status/500740216001265664)
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GWG I've gone back to working on my Indieweb development
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@topgold @TheEvertBopp I like what @t and @kevinmarks are doing. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/500746872613789696)
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aaronpk !tell ShaneHudson I could probably add a checkbox that removes them in Javascript
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks2 Ah, I misread. Yes, generating is a bit more aborting but there is a good validation service based on universal feed parser too
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KevinMarks2 s/aborting/annoying/
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Loqi KevinMarks2 meant to say: Ah, I misread. Yes, generating is a bit more annoying but there is a good validation service based on universal feed parser too
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kylewm bret: would you recommend escaping HTML inside of an ATOM feed, or trying to make sure it validates as XML? (I think those are the options)
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@TheEvertBopp Watched some more stuff on #indieweb like what I saw. Interested in seeing how it meshes with #darkweb (twitter.com/_/status/500764605191553024)
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bret kylewm, I recomed excaping html inside of xml unless transforming html into valid xml is your idea of fun
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aaronpk using a cdata thing right?
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bret i could never get cdata to work reliably
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bret especially on the irc logs
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aaronpk oh weird
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bret ime finding a decent xml escaping library is the most convenient solution
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KartikPrabhu cdata is hard to get right for some reason. I tried to use it to embed styles in Atom but no dice
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bret im sure it works.... i was unable to find a decent example for the problems I was running into
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bret iirc it was surrounding wiki edits having [] in them
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tantek kylewm, I'd say embed well-formed HTML. That's what I do in my legacy feed sidefile: http://tantek.com/updates.atom
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KevinMarks_ though your feed does cause readers to get confused fairly often...
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tantek it does? huh, please let me know when!
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tantek typically I only notice feed problems when my articles (blog posts) don't show up on Planet Mozilla.
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