#indiewebcamp 2014-08-17

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aaronpk wow this route from the bridge pedal last weekend is like 600kb of data
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GWG Hamburgers or H-Cards...
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rascul both
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KevinMarks_ h-amburger
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KevinMarks_ it's not so much that tantek's feed is wrong, more that feed readers' code pathd don't put it through their sanitizer and so it ends up having more style than other entries
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tantek my feed has too much style for your readers?
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KevinMarks_ lol at how many dead sites http://tantek.com/2010/302/b1/xhtml-dead-long-live-xml-valid-html5 links to
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tantek really?
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tantek oh hey when did imageshack.us go down
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KevinMarks_ imageshack, google buzz, google reader
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tantek https://imageshack.com/ is still up but the link died
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tantek ah, archive org got it: https://web.archive.org/web/20130117024932/http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2277/tantek.jpg
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tantek since it's originally my content, I'm going to upload it to the wiki
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@kevinmarks "@davewiner: Journalists: Twitter does not have to be the last word in Internet-based journalism. Play what-if. Dream. Innovate!☺" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/500829291400028161)
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tantek.com uploaded /File:img295.imageshack.us-img295-2277-tantek.jpg "originally my text & markup content, was copied as screenshot in Google Buzz to img295.imageshack.us-img295-2277-tantek.jpg, recovered from web.archive.org/web/20130117024932/http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2277/tantek.jpg"
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GWG I need another indiewebcamp.
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tantek GWG - me too!
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tantek you should go to IWC Cambridge! I decided to go
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Guest_List
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tantek kevinmarks I hope you're not trolling dave - clearly he didn't like it when j12t called what he was doing "indieweb"
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GWG tantek: I'll be sitting in a hut in the woods.
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tantek remote participation? perhaps even with IWC UK?
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KevinMarks I tag indieweb to put it in here and in my pinboard links
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tantek so looks like Google Buzz permalinks have died, e.g. http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000
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GWG tantek: I'll try. Seems hard only because I had trouble last time
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tantek GWG - definitely! and if you have any trouble with talky.io - you know to ping bear about it :)
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GWG tantek: I couldn't hear people
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tantek wow http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths doesn't mention buzz!
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tantek GWG - do you have a good set of USB headphones?
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GWG Yes
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GWG I had them on
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tantek oh my goodness this is hilarious: http://gizmodo.com/5849915/rip-google-buzz 2011-10-14 "RIP Google Buzz" […] "…I'd say I'm going to miss Buzz, but to be honest I had all but forgotten about it. Oh well. If you need me, I'll be hanging out on Google Wave."
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KevinMarks Thanks to bridgy I'm now being emailed by myself when I link to an old Blogpost on twitter
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KevinMarks Meanwhile, friendfeed is still up
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KevinMarks And the API, so my friendlierfeed.appspot.com still works too
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tantek is it? it was awfully unreliable for a while and stopped archiving stuff for me
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tantek so I gave up on it and switched to Tumblr for PESETAS
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GWG KevinMarks: You are your own best friend
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@t Appears Google finally killed Google Buzz permalinks e.g.: http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000 #ownyourdata cc: @haxor @willnorris (ttk.me t4Xd1) (twitter.com/_/status/500835123227820032)
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@jrobertson RT @t: Appears Google finally killed Google Buzz permalinks e.g.: http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000 #ownyourdata cc: @haxor @willnorris (ttk.me t4Xd1) (twitter.com/_/status/500835233114370049)
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@erik_paulson RT @t: Appears Google finally killed Google Buzz permalinks e.g.: http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000 #ownyourdata cc: @haxor @willnorris (ttk.me t4Xd1) (twitter.com/_/status/500836022490390528)
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tantek so much for this answer: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1698228?hl=en&ctx=mail
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@charlieok RT @t: Appears Google finally killed Google Buzz permalinks e.g.: http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000 #ownyourdata cc: @haxor @willnorris (ttk.me t4Xd1) (twitter.com/_/status/500839781505695745)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+709) "/* 2011 */ Google Buzz shutdown, appears totally dead now (2014)" (view diff)
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@Kinniska RT @t: Appears Google finally killed Google Buzz permalinks e.g.: http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000 #ownyourdata cc: @haxor @willnorris (ttk.me t4Xd1) (twitter.com/_/status/500840602754621440)
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tantek and the content is inaccessible from archive.org because it was subsequently redirected to profiles.google.com permalinks which have also died
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@kartik_prabhu @t Man! Had moved from Orkut to Buzz… maybe I’ll move all my content to G+ now. That should work… #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/500842979175583744)
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tantek lololol!
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KartikPrabhu :D
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tantek "What a shambles"
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KartikPrabhu tantek: you accept webmentions but don't display them?? this is an outrage!
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tantek yeah :(
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KartikPrabhu oh the irony! that last tweet of mine got fav-ed by this: https://twitter.com/ContentGrowth
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KartikPrabhu probably because it had the word "content" in it
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (-244) "Reply Context already captured as discrete Working On items, thus can remove it as just an itch" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+541) "capture at least as itches, Display Received Webmentions at webmention.io, then Accept Webmentions Directly" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu re "outrage", captured: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Display_Received_Webmentions
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+336) "/* 2011 */ note ironic gizmodo quote in RIP Google Buzz article about hanging out on Google Wave" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: aah the outrage bit was joking ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCq8XDgrP0
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (-1) "/* 2011 */ -'" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I have never seen that ref before, nor do I know the context!
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KartikPrabhu unfortunate! The Mighty Boosh a brilliant surrealist comedy show :P
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tantek benward likes it too
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tantek KevinMarks_: I have fixed all the broken links in http://tantek.com/2010/302/b1/xhtml-dead-long-live-xml-valid-html5 except for one link to Google Buzz, going to leave that in there since it 404ing makes a point of its own.
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bret KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 55 karma
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tantek apparently FB link preview even shows text from a 404 page: https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10101227907605113
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tantek which is an interesting way of archiving a verification of a 404 / dead link
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@t #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/500858008067649536)
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GWG Taking a trip down memory lane, tantek?
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tantek GWG, regarding what?
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GWG I saw Google Buzz go by.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: squat it
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KartikPrabhu err swat*
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GWG I Waved at it
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tantek heh
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tantek GWG - KevinMarks had noted broken links in my blog post, so I was going through all the links in that post and found that the Buzz supposed read-only link had finally stopped working, so it was time to post about it
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tantek since Google claimed your Buzz permalinks would continue to work forever as read-only "Profile" or "Drive" links
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tantek https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1698228
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GWG I should activate that Wordpress plugin that does that
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tantek does what?
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Loqi yea
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GWG Checks for broken links
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tantek that would be cool
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GWG I had it on a while ago. I think it was called Broken Link Checker.
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GWG Or something like that
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tantek !tell tommorris,hadleybeeman,adactio,glennjones,KevinMarks Hey UK IndieWeb folks, propose an IndieWeb session for MozFest 2014 (in London 2014-10-24..26) http://2014.mozillafestival.org/propose/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris thanks tantek
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 36 seconds ago: Hey UK IndieWeb folks, propose an IndieWeb session for MozFest 2014 (in London 2014-10-24..26) http://2014.mozillafestival.org/propose/
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tantek tommorris: looks like proposals are due by 2014-08-22
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tommorris will do later on today
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tantek great!
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tommorris just shooting out to photograph the rising sun in London ;-)
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@uskudarli RT @t: Appears Google finally killed Google Buzz permalinks e.g.: http://www.google.com/buzz/tantek/8LbV7EbZPie/Brett-Slatkin-rocked-another-PubSubHubbub-talk-at#1279057528102000 #ownyourdata cc: @haxor @willnorris (ttk.me t4Xd1) (twitter.com/_/status/500866771340247040)
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@OshaKarow RT @BuzzWorkers: @HongPong @benwerd @CaptainKurtis @DiceyTroop @Ows_Casper @OshaKarow really going to experiment #indieweb on a new vps soon (twitter.com/_/status/500869219794583552)
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@uskudarli RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/500871808103366656)
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GWG So, I've started work on an h-card widget.
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GWG Mostly because without it, my theme won't parse properly
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tantek interesting - what would an h-card widget do?
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GWG tantek: It displays an h-card
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GWG It pulls the info out of the user profile
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GWG Wordpress is designed as a multi-author/user system
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GWG So, the default would have dozens of h-cards in a page
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GWG In order to only have one, I opted to not hard-code it into the theme, instead making it a widget
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aaronpk HMMM mozfest
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aaronpk I will be in Germany the weekend before.... wonder if I can somehow extend my trip and go to London for that
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/500887809985478657)
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@Simonalombardo http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes http://accesshr.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/httpift-tt1kkxpaw/ (twitter.com/_/status/500891325911547906)
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tantek fascinating, that appears to be a POSSE to Twitter from this: http://accesshr.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/httpift-tt1kkxpaw/
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@joshwnj RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/500903496946683905)
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tommorris Sigh-lo. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/facebook_donates_10_000_to_anti_gay_ag_who_says_gay_marriage_would_cause_irreparable_harm
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tantek wat
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@thierrymarianne RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/500923917629153280)
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KartikPrabhu another silo divorce: https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/500918913501114368 ?
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@craigmod No more foursquare checkins via Instagram? Oh, well. (twitter.com/_/status/500918913501114368)
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/500930989804101633)
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@alexrodrigues43 Top story: Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb http://t.co/cvws5yI37p, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/#!/alexrodrigues43/web-semantica (twitter.com/_/status/500939371835838464)
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hadleybeeman tommorris: I can't believe you'll make it to Sunday dinner when you've had a 5am start. bravo!
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Loqi hadleybeeman: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 56 minutes ago: Hey UK IndieWeb folks, propose an IndieWeb session for MozFest 2014 (in London 2014-10-24..26) http://2014.mozillafestival.org/propose/
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hadleybeeman and thanks, Tantek. sounds like tommorris is on it.
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tommorris hadleybeeman: eh, I was early-to-bed, early-to-rise.
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hadleybeeman Impressive nonetheless, tommorris
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tommorris hadleybeeman: I had to go meet a family member getting in early on the train before going to the Oval for the cricket. also, I wanted to catch the dawn for photography, even though it’s overcast and dull today
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hadleybeeman I love watching London wake up. Shops start to open, people coming out in search of coffee…
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@dascritch RT @gasull: @jldevicente So either: a) "Pay" with privacy b) Pay with money for alternatives b) Join #indieweb d) Block tracking e) All of … (twitter.com/_/status/500960458904731648)
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@amcewen @technicalfault @edent @mapme_at Agreed, a federated, @redecentralize-d, #indieweb version would be best, as with all these things (twitter.com/_/status/500973899044380672)
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jonnybarnes hello indiewebcamp
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KartikPrabhu morning jonnybarnes
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KartikPrabhu most interesting discussion: https://twitter.com/anildash/status/501000980394430464
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@anildash (from 2011, why I fav a lot: http://dashes.com/anil/2011/06/all-in-favor.html from last week, on semiotics of faving: http://dashes.com/anil/2014/08/the-semiotics-of-like.html ) (twitter.com/_/status/501000980394430464)
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KartikPrabhu people seem to really want fav to mean bookmark but as of now it means fav
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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rascul well you got the morning part right, i don't know yet if it's a good one
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tantek oh? /me catches up on logs
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rascul still too early for me to decide
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tantek hadleybeeman, appears I misphrased that !tell - as I meant for all of you to propose your own sessions, on your particular indieweb topic(s) that you're passionate about.
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tantek rather than just one "indieweb" session
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tantek hadleybeeman, also, while you're here, add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek tommorris: you too - update your entry on /irc-people to have an icon as well! your @tommorris has one, so your /irc-people entry should too!
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tantek !tell tommorris would LOVE to see you also propose a session on this at MozFest https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/499838335800840192 - so essential to the future of the web.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek hmm, twitter links in !tells don't get expanded, so here: https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/499838335800840192
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@tommorris "We've got so much JS that when it breaks, you can't see images ON FLICKR." This is the modern web, and it's stupid. http://tommorris.org/posts/9067 (twitter.com/_/status/499838335800840192)
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tantek that deserves to an in-person rant :)
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rascul don't js all the things
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jonnybarnes except, and I dont mean to sound like a dick, but how useable are site like openstreetmap.org without javascript
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jonnybarnes I'll just try it now actually
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hadleybeeman I'm currently afk, tantek (well, afbigscreen) — will try to sort later. are you coming to MozFest?
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tantek jonnybarnes: you too! you've got a twitter icon, so add your icon to /irc-people too! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-17#t1408284192892
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tantek hadleybeeman: trying to arrange going to MozFest, will be challenging as it is *right* before W3C TPAC in Santa Clara which I also have to be at. may go for first 2 of 3 days of MozFest.
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hadleybeeman ack. then I'll be missing it too.
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jonnybarnes here's what OSM looks like without JS to me: http://i.imgur.com/HZZfeK8.png
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jonnybarnes tantek: will try and edit irc-people now
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hadleybeeman (On the other hand, Tantek, we'll catch up in one country or the other…!)
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rascul for some things js is good
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tantek hadleybeeman: really hope to see you again at IndieWebCamp UK, 6-7 Sept: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /IRC_People (+45) "/* Nicknames */ add a profile image" (view diff)
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tantek rascul, JS is good for replacing other procedural languages, and *enhancing* the UI. no functionality should "require" JS.
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rascul i agree with that
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jonnybarnes tantek some functinaloty requires js though
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jonnybarnes slippy maps for example
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rascul well, except for some cases, like the maps
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jonnybarnes a non-js impl would be terribly clunky to use
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rascul there would be other exceptions as well, but generally i agree
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: rascul: clunky UX is better than no UX
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jonnybarnes will the logs eventually include my profile image? I'm assuming the "generic person A" image is cached for the timebeing
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu rascul: someone has to mantain that second UX though
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tantek jonnybarnes: "slippy" is an enhancement over clicking arrows to "scroll" the map. Mapquest totally worked like this - no JS required.
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tantek whether it was clunky or not was irrelevant to the fact that it was wildly successful and popular
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tantek jonnybarnes: 5 min cache
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tantek jonnybarnes: it shouldn't be a "2nd UX" - the non-JS version should be the *first* UX you build
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tantek then enhance it with JS
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@jasondotcalm RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/501025966232453120)
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jonnybarnes and the image is now showing in the logs
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hadleybeeman Ah, thanks for the reminder, tantek. need to see if I can escape for that and for dConstruct
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tantek hadleybeeman: it's going to be a blast - this year Clearleft is hosting IndieWebCamp at their new offices which are awesome!
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hadleybeeman Nice!
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tantek even if you can only come for one of the days - go ahead and add yourself http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List
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@billchristian RT @t: #WDC14 video posted The Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ 41:48 min, CC-BY. Prev http://tantek.com/2014/122/t2/wdc14-once-future-indieweb-slides-notes (ttk.me t4Xd2) (twitter.com/_/status/501028973263196160)
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: what tantak said. The non-JS UI should be the default, use JS to improve from there
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jonnybarnes but I feel in some cases (and a photo site such as flickr really should work without js) when you compare the non-js and js interfaces one is simply superior
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jonnybarnes slippy maps is a good example
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jonnybarnes they are far easier to use
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tantek jonnybarnes: of course the JS UX is superior, it should be! It's an *enhancement* above and beyond the non-JS UX!
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mattl tantek: I can't sign in at indiewebcamp.com with my domain mattl.us and twitter
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tantek mattl, try updating your link on mattl.us to use https://twitter.com/
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mattl I fixed it. Somehow my profile on Twitter lacked my URL
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tantek oh yeah that will do it :)
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mattl.us edited /2014/Cambridge (+87) "/* Getting to MIT */" (view diff)
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tantek mattl - last time I flew into Logan, rides *from* the airport on the T were free
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tantek e.g. Silverline bus to a station where you could switch to the red line
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mattl IIRC, they are free from Logan into the city, not sure if they're free from South Station to the red line.
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tantek there was no place nor mechanism to pay when transferring at South Station from silver line to red line
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mattl.us edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+268) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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tantek last year I even bought a Charlie ticket and was unable to use it in the process!
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GWG tantek: Is your fate still unlearned?
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mattl.us edited /StatusNet () "(-3089) Redirected page to [[GNU social]]" (view diff)
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tantek Mattl - is the old StatusNet dead? If so - we should probably keep the old page for capturing historical information
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mattl tantek: keeping it :)
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tantek cool. I'm personally interested in whether GNU social consumes PuSH - and if it's possible to test that
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mattl.us edited /GNU_social (+3076) (view diff)
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kylewm tantek: mattl: StatusNet was basically renamed GNU social right? differentiating seems unnecessarily confusing to me
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tantek kylewm: I don't know about "basically renamed"
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mattl merged.
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tantek there were two different projects as of /fsws2010
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tantek s/there/they
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Loqi tantek meant to say: they were two different projects as of /fsws2010
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mattl GNU social was a thing beforehand, and then StatusNet merged (also a project called Free Social) into GNU social.
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tantek mattl - perhaps a == History == section would help clarify what happened
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mattl yeah, i'm just writing up the GNU FM page.
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tantek cool
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mattl tantek: selfdogfooding question. is it enough that i am using Libre.fm rather than hosting a GNU FM install at say, mattl.fm? Given that I am the operator of Libre.fm...
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kylewm mattl: asking without judgment, StatusNet was a huge thing with 2-3 of its own APIs before merging; is it even huger now?
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tantek.com edited /GNU_social (+50) "/* IndieWeb users */ IndieWeb Examples, move Evan to Past Examples" (view diff)
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mattl kylewm: huge how, sorry?
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kylewm complex, lots of code, many entry points
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kylewm merging three separate projects into one seems like it would create a big mess :P
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tantek mattl - interesting selfdogfooding question! I think as long as you're actually using the code on your primary domain that you're developing, you're selfdogfooding
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mattl.us edited /projects (+24) "/* StatusNet */" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: OTOH they've kept things running, on individual hosted instances, and multi-user hosted instances
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tantek.com edited /GNU_social (+4) "/* Past Examples */ 2013 moved" (view diff)
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mattl kylewm: well, GNU social and Free Social were both 'forks' of StatusNet by the time we merged.
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kylewm gotcha, that makes more sense
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mattl it was a little more complex than that, as one of the core StatusNet developers assigned all of his code to the FSF for the GNU social project, so parts of StatusNet were GNU social code, and vice versa. It made a lot more sense to have one project.
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tommorris jonnybarnes: I don't say No JS ever. But a lot of the time JS is overused to the detriment of both accessibility and UX
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mattl it was 3 projects with 1.5 codebases and various parties having large stakes to the code copyright.
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 12 minutes ago: would LOVE to see you also propose a session on this at MozFest https://twitter.com/tommorris/status/499838335800840192 - so essential to the future of the web.
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tommorris considers it. The JavaScript Hell House.
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mattl tommorris: wow. that's bad. is that true even for m.flickr.com or something?
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tommorris Haven't tried m.
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kylewm mattl: thanks for clarifying that history, I've wondered about that for a long time :)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+33) "/* FAQ */ header for q" (view diff)
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tantek m.facebook is how you use HTML5 video instead of Flash :) http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Watch_video_without_Flash
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mattl kylewm: i should write it all down. essentially huge mistakes and lack of interest in development for about 18 months in my own life also made things a lot harder and slower than they should have been.
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jonnybarnes anyone here use gnupg
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jonnybarnes tommorris: agreed, the amount of sites that simply dont work when i first visit them and noscript blocks their js...
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mattl.us created /GNU_FM (+777) "Created page with "[http://gnu.io/fm GNU FM] is a music community platform that is compatible with the Audioscrobbler API most commonly associated with [http://last.fm]. As of August 2014, the defa..."" (view diff)
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mattl jonnybarnes: i do
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jonnybarnes mattl: Im having trouble with this: http://superuser.com/questions/799155/confirming-a-gpg-key-as-mine
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tommorris jonnybarnes: I use GPG.
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jonnybarnes having imported my public/private keypair on my laptop
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mattl jonnybarnes: mark the key as trusted.
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tommorris But I can't help with issues as am on mobile
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jonnybarnes mattl: so just follow the generic instructions for marking the key as trusted?
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mattl not sure how you do that from the command line. I use Seahorse.
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mattl jonnybarnes: give it a go, yeah
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tantek what is Seahorse?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Seahorse" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Seahorse
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mattl tantek: it's a GNOME project I think, provides a UI for GPG.
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tantek mattl, cool, perhaps create a /Seahorse stub with that definition?
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mattl tantek: sure. Let's see how many stubs I can make for random GNU projects ;)
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tantek :)
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mattl.us uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Seahorse1.png]]""
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mattl.us uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Seahorse2.png]]""
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tantek Mattl - just to be sure - are those pngs cc0 ok?
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mattl.us created /Seahorse (+238) "Created page with "{{stub}} Seahorse is a graphical interface in GNOME for keeping track of GPG and SSH keys. It integrates with other GNOME applications, and anything else that uses GPG such as [..."" (view diff)
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tantek (otherwise better to hotlink them)
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tantek what is GNOME?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GNOME" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=GNOME
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jonnybarnes mattl: thats worked
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GWG mattl: Do you know anything about ecdsa for ssh keys and why Gnome Keyring doesn't?
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mattl.us created /GNOME (+545) "Created page with "{{stub}} GNOME is the GNU Network Object Model Environment, although that name is depreciated now. GNOME was started in the 90s to provide a desktop environment for the GNU op..."" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /responses (+231) "add note about interactions being used more, and this page capturing historical debate" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes GWG: its a known bug in gnome keyring
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mattl tantek: i think screenshots are special cases. certainly i don't claim any rights over them myself.
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jonnybarnes https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641082
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jonnybarnes GWG: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641082
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tantek mattl - yeah I think screenshots are a form of fair use. IANAL.
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tantek what is GPG?
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Loqi OpenPGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a message exchange format that uses public key cryptography to enable people to exchange encrypted and/or signed data http://indiewebcamp.com/GPG
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tantek nice.
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tantek what is SSH?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SSH" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SSH
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aaronpk good morning indiewebcamp!
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jonnybarnes evening aaronpk
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jonnybarnes or is it always morning on the internet?
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tantek good morning aaronpk!
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tantek uh oh - Mattl - /projects is in the process of a pretty big overhaul
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mattl oh yeah? i'll stop editing then
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aaronpk what's the status on that btw?
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tantek both of those are documented on the page itself
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aaronpk r'stfm
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tantek which is the only way we can actually keep it incrementally going without the "state" being stuck in someone's head
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tantek.com edited /projects (-484) "Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Mattl.us|Mattl.us]] ([[User talk:Mattl.us|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Kylewm.com|Kylewm.com]]" (view diff)
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tantek mattl - for now - feel free to do discrete self-contained edits, like replacing StatusNet with GNU Social
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tantek note that the structure / progress is indicated by most of the page being nested under "Under Construction" http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#Under_Construction
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mattl.us created /SSH (+231) "Created page with "{{stub}} Secure SHell. Replacement for telnet. Most people are using [http://www.openssh.com/ OpenSSH] from the [http://www.openbsd.com/ OpenBSD] folks. GNU has its own version..."" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#About_This_Page
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aaronpk aha
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aaronpk very nice
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tantek linked from aforemention bright yellow Under Construction section
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tantek also why the TOC is at the very top
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tantek what is a 🏠?
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, and shows your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card http://indiewebcamp.com/%F0%9F%8F%A0
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tantek :D
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aaronpk ridiculous lol
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tantek nice Unicode handling aaronpk!
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aaronpk the address bar even shows the emoji!
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tantek what is soundcloud?
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Loqi SoundCloud is a silo for hosting/sharing/commenting on sounds and music http://indiewebcamp.com/SoundCloud
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mattl.us created /autonomo.us (+208) "Created page with "{{stub}} Loose-knit group of hackers doing things around the [http://autonomo.us/2008/07/14/franklin-street-statement/ Franklin St. Statement] Member projects include: [[GNU ..."" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes if I run gpg --edit-key to change the expiration date of my public key, will it's fingerprint change?
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mattl i don't think so, but backup first :)
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tantek wow this was worse that I thought - lots of acquired sites were lost too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_Hometown
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tantek lots more here that could be added to /site-deaths : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_Hometown#Legacy_sites
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tantek nice coverage of IndieWebCamp UK on the Brighton Digital Festival site! http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indie-web-camp/#.U_Dh6kh0_og
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tantek wonders if http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indie-web-camp/ is an ephemeral URL or auto-updated per year
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tantek !tell mowens looks like this permalink may have disappeared? https://mowens.com/2481/07/03/acles/design-prototyping-101
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mattl tantek: i saved http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indie-web-camp/ into the internet archive. we'll find out next year i guess.
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mattl aaronpk: is there any reason to not have indiewebcamp.com over HTTPS all the time?
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tantek mattl - nice!
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tantek well BDF killed last year's permalink: http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indiewebcamp-uk-2013/
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mattl ah, that looks like a WordPress issue.
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tantek https://twitter.com/DigitalBrighton/status/374842979342483456
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@DigitalBrighton Latest #BDF2013 event: #indiewebcamp 2013! http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indiewebcamp-uk-2013/ (twitter.com/_/status/374842979342483456)
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mattl i'll see if i can rustle up a bot that crawls new external pages on the wiki and auto-saves them to the Internet Archive.
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tantek that would be very cool!
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tantek mattl wordpress issue huh? is it specific to wordpress? or just a common wordpress error?
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tantek if it is WP specific, could you add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Criticism ?
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mattl i'd assume that http://www.brightondigitalfestival.co.uk/events/indiewebcamp-uk-2013/ is a page in WordPress and rather than updating it, they adeed a new page and deleted the old one. It's a common problem with WordPress that people don't edit the URL slug to a page they make.
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GWG mattl: Is that a criticism of Wordpress though?
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tantek but why update it at all? why delete it? it says 2013 in the URL
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tantek is there something in WordPress UI that encourages breaking permalinks?
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GWG tantek: You should never delete an old page. You can just de-link it
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mattl tantek: not sure why delete it, but i wouldn't say WordPress breaks permalinks or encourages it, but it does permit the editing of them and has some limited way to handle redirects.
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@_amz3_ #codegolf I tried to build a static microblog net in 7 hours something that remains to be done in #python #indieweb https://github.com/amirouche/turbo-octo-hipster (twitter.com/_/status/501058405273190400)
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GWG mattl: I think tantek seems hard on Wordpress sometimes.
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GWG I may be misinterpreting it though
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mattl WordPress is fine, imo.
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aaronpk it's certainly getting a lot better which is awesome
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mattl sure it could be better, but I also think Mullenweg does a lot for free software.
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GWG I think everything could be better
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mattl GWG: do you use WordPress?
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GWG mattl: Religiously.
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mattl Do you ever get to WordCamp?
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mattl There's a WordCamp in Boston next weekend
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GWG mattl: I missed Wordcamp NYC this year
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mattl oh, you're in NYC area?
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GWG Since I joined the IWC crowd here, I have been doing more Wordpress development
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GWG mattl: Yes
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kylewm tantek name checked photomatt.net pretty good in that most recent talk ;)
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mattl he name checked his old domain? ;)
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kylewm ya
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GWG mattl: I just started on an h-card widget, because I made my theme I've been developing have the option of removing the individual h-cards from the posts on the archive/main pages
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aaronpk yay parsing html with regex. that's always a good idea, right?
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Loqi :D
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mattl aaronpk: so far my script to get all the URLs from a page is a one liner with dependencies on perl and lynx and a little regex :P
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mattl for url in $(lynx --source http://www.stallman.org | perl -ne 'if (/href="([^"]*)"/) { print "$1\n"; }' | grep http | grep "://" ); do wget -O- http://web.archive.org/save/$url; done
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aaronpk heh
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mattl stallman.org chosen for the fact he links to about 900000 things from a single page.
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mattl also cause i remembered writing this https://lttam.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/one-liner-to-get-all-the-domain-names-linked-from-a-particular-page/
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aaronpk there's actually a mediawiki api for finding external links on a page
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mattl psh. apis. just write an unmaintainable shell script.
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/api.php?format=json&action=query&titles=Events&prop=extlinks
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aaronpk just throwing that out there :)
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mattl sadly it doesn't work with Special:RecentChanges
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aaronpk oh man this is great!
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tantek mattl can you use thisweekinindieweb instead?
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mattl tantek: i could if i knew what it was
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aaronpk i'm making it so that if I link to an instagram photo or vine video in a note, it downloads the content and stores it on my server, and serves up my local copy
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aaronpk so that i'm not depending on instagram and vine URLs to stick around
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tantek why not use them like a CDN until they go away?
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tantek mattl http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/
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aaronpk yeah I suppose I could. "until they go away" do you expect that would be manually discovered?
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mattl aaronpk: why not just save the URL to the internet archive while you're at it? just wget http://web.archive.org/save/http://vine-url.biz/ds234231213/
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tantek weekly background task on server doing head requests
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mattl doesn't know about vine URLs
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aaronpk mattl: the public vine URLs are basically a JS app. would that work if I sent the link to the raw video file?
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mattl yes
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aaronpk the video URLs are pretty ugly though
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mattl they'll archive anything you can get them over HTTP or HTTPS
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aaronpk https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/7DDDB998-0864-445C-8787-D8FFDA13F20C-10540-00000134E95BF88D_1.0.6.mp4?versionId=yaS5BdgFV0dYtGl7VLQjUXnzvN0U8ryP
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aaronpk seems to work just fine with the archive.org url!
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mattl neat.
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mattl i had an idea to make an internet archive proxy.
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mattl where everything you look at is archived.
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aaronpk that'd be awesome
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aaronpk nobody has done that yet?
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mattl obviously, it can't archive things you're logged into like gmail, etc.
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mattl not afaik
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aaronpk hmm now i'm thinking how I could make this thing into its own project
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aaronpk i'm doing a lot of silo-specific ugly hacks to get the raw media
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aaronpk from silo URLs like http://vine.co/v/bdPZjql17ip
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aaronpk I could instead set it up as its own thing where I'd instead link to <video src="http://external.aaronparecki.com/http://vine.co/v/bdPZjql17ip"> and that project would take care of archiving the raw video, and returning either the vine CDN or the local version depending on whether vine is up
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tantek exactly
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aaronpk that would actually be a relatively easy project to set up, and anyone could run it on a cheap php server
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mattl youtube-dl or get_flash_videos will likely do the download for you
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tantek aaronpk, sounds a lot like /indiearchive
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aaronpk kind of, except we haven't really talked about doing this extra step of public HTML URL to raw media
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tantek we have a bit, with subdomains like video. or photo.
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aaronpk as currently described, indiearchive would end up saving the giant JSON blob that's in http://vine.co/v/bdPZjql17ip rather than actually saving the mp4 file
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aaronpk this is what oembed is supposed to be for
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aaronpk and would be totally unnecessary if people would stop writing their sites as JS apps and actually ship HTML down the wire
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mattl is vine.co the real domain for vine, or a shortener?
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aaronpk it's the real domain
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mattl i'm a little obsessed with archiving everything right now.
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aaronpk :)
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mattl fotopedia closed down with not much notice, and i spent a week scrambling to get all the CC licensed photos out of it
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mattl success though. i have a 280gb zip file.
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aaronpk wow
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mattl yeah, 303,000 photos.
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mattl and the metadata.
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aaronpk tantek: ok for now locally archiving the vine video and then embedding with a raw <video> tag pointing to the vine CDN rather than using their fancy iframe embed. will manually switch to serving local URLs when vine goes away
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@Irrodeus RT @gasull: @jldevicente So either: a) "Pay" with privacy b) Pay with money for alternatives b) Join #indieweb d) Block tracking e) All of … (twitter.com/_/status/501068507384393728)
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tantek e.g. see how Shane does it http://indiewebcamp.com/video#Shane_Becker with assets.
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aaronpk access denied: http://assets.iamshane.com/videos/2013/5/30/backyard-squirrel-buddy.mp4
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aaronpk that looks like an amazon cdn message
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tantek !tell shaners http://iamshane.com/videos/2013/5/30/1/backyard-squirrel-buddy Download video link is broken: XML: <Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>DA44D4B4E0CC7D53</RequestId><HostId>HoxOIEepMqbwgEhSEZ323cmTyseXmP+mm5zd6cpn7CjvIp71U5iaeCOBRlMLqVIv</HostId></Error>
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk well that was a fun distraction
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mattl can we put an explicit CC0 notice on indiewebcamp.com and get it working over HTTPS only? :)
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aaronpk I thought there was already a cc0 notice?
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mattl not seeing one
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tantek hmm - thought we had one in the footer
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aaronpk Also on the edit page
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tantek it is on the edit page!
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aaronpk hm yeah not in the footer tho
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mattl i think you can add this to LocalSettings.php
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mattl https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/72Csyhez
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tantek we likely need to edit the footer template where it says "This page was last modified on …" to add a line below it.
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kylewm so GNU social supports mf2 now, but seemingly everyone over there uses a self-signed SSL cert, so i can't fetch pages easily
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tantek do they require https?
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kylewm yeah
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kylewm hehe, http://quitter.se/notice/2757147
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kylewm "When you first get in decentralized social networks, it is a real pain in the ass to allow all those self-signed certificates."
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aaronpk How do they expect people to see their sites with self signed certs?
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mattl are they self-signed or just signed with something like CAcert?
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mattl its likely people are just getting free certs from some place that's common to GNU people but not anyone else.
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aaronpk That would at least make a little more sense
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kylewm mattl: ohhh the one I was complaining about was CA Cert
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mattl kylewm: http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3
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kylewm oops!
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kylewm I will add this to /ssl
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kylewm unless someone more knowledgeable wants to?
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elliottucker hi all. just back from the zoo and have an important Q. Has anyone got Known working on nginx?
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kylewm elliottucker: i tried relatively hard, and decided it is not possible
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elliottucker :(
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tantek perhaps add it to /Known#FAQ ?
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kylewm well, decided to assume it wasn't possible
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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elliottucker what do you think is the main blocker? .htaccess seems straight forward enough. I'll see if I can convert it.
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aaronpk another idea for the external link embedding thingy
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aaronpk I realized that instagram URLs may be a photo or a video, and you don't know which until you look at what's there
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tantek hence media.example.com
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aaronpk so I think what I actually want is a service that not only returns the raw media URL, but can also return the proper HTML for embedding
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aaronpk otherwise I don't know whether to write an <img> tag or a <video> tag
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aaronpk so really I'd end up doing something like <?= file_get_contents('http://external.aaronparecki.com/http://vine.co/v/bdPZjql17ip') ?> and it would write the <video> or <img> tag as appropriate
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tantek if only there were a <media src=""> tag that you could *embed* ;)
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aaronpk of course the other way to handle this is to make the service return microformat-enabled HTML so that it can include all sorts of other things like the post name, date, etc
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aaronpk but then the consumer (my site) has to do a bunch more work to format it
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tantek it was supposed to be a (bad) joke about <embed src="">
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aaronpk heh
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mattl well, this is interesting. i have a user who wants to use GNU social so i'm working step by step with them to get it installed.
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kylewm elliottucker: I think my problem was apache_request_headers https://github.com/idno/idno/blob/1ab6581c8cfe44c2135ddd4a38d2bff443f5c24e/Idno/Pages/File/View.php#L25
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kylewm i don't know php *at all* though
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sparverius 5GNU social, true to the Unix-philosophy of small programs to do a small job, will be a federated social network that you can install on your own server
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sparverius wat
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sparverius that sounds awesome
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sparverius what's the horrible, horrible catch
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elliottucker that doesn't look to troublesome to fix...will have a go.
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sparverius oh man im gonna install gnu social and play around with it
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jonnybarnes whats the protocol for editing a user page?
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ShaneHudson I've now got Craft CMS installed with all my content (and correct URLs :) )
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ShaneHudson No actual website mind you, but content first and all that
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Loqi ShaneHudson: aaronpk left you a message on 8/16 at 2:16pm: I could probably add a checkbox that removes them in Javascript
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jonnybarnes specifically http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rascul.io/ssl
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kylewm ShaneHudson: that message from aaronpk was referring to join/part messages in the irc logs
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jonnybarnes to tell him his config is wrong
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rascul what's wrong about it?
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ShaneHudson kylewm: Yeah, I think it would be quite a useful feature, you rarely need to know who is logged in when reading logs
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kylewm you can set a user style with Stylish or the like
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kylewm .msg-join, .msg-part { display: none; }
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jonnybarnes rascul: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6797#section-7.2
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snarfed userstyles++
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ShaneHudson Good thinking :)
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jonnybarnes An HSTS Host MUST NOT include the STS header field in HTTP responses conveyed over non-secure transport.
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mattl sparverius: let me know if you have any questions about install. i just installed it pretty quickly.
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snarfed jonnybarnes: rascul: …having said that, disobeying that part of the spec is pretty damn useful. :P https://willnorris.com/2014/03/using-hsts-with-http-requests
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rascul hrm
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tantek alright, for now I put a "Wiki content is CC0" in the sidebar which links to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamp:Copyrights which has two sentences about it. Short & simple.
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tantek mattl - does that work for you re: "put an explicit CC0 notice on indiewebcamp.com" ?
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tantek you may have to reload to see the new sidebar
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mattl any reason we can't just add the four lines to the config file and have it on every page?
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mattl tantek: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/72Csyhez
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tantek it is on every page by way of being in the sidebar
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mattl sorry, five lines.
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tantek which took one line
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rascul.io edited /User:Rascul.io/ssl (-161) "/* Host Specific Configuration */ no sts without https as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6797#section-7.2 thanks jonnybarnes" (view diff)
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tantek config file is not user visible
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tantek would need to figure out which other .php template file to edit to edit the footer etc. blab blah blah
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rascul jonnybarnes thanks for pointing that out to me
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tantek not sure why all content in mediawiki isn't just in a wiki editable place
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mattl no, i think this just adds it to the footer for you.
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mattl it's a universal way in all mediawiki sites.
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mattl i do see it in the sidebar now at least. i had to login
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mattl i suspect that's just a cache
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tantek right
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tantek just cache
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tantek I'll leave experimenting with localsettings.php up to aaronpk
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tantek this seems good enough for now
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mattl agreed
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rascul jonnybarnes if you have any other additions or improvements to that feel free to add them, eventually that will go into /Nginx
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bret i totally love the visual design of http://polytroncorporation.com/ im thiking of doing something similar
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jonnybarnes rascul: I basically use this guys ssl config: https://gist.github.com/konklone/6532544
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rascul jonnybarnes i think that's the one i started with
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indie-visitor hey room! :)
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indie-visitor hru?
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indie-visitor how r things?
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indie-visitor wasup?
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pdurbin indie-visitor: hey
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V_S_C pdurbin: I just logged in the indiewebcamp site
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pdurbin V_S_C: that means you have your own domain. nice
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V_S_C thnx, I'm using Bailador, that's Sinatra DSL's PERL6 counterpart
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V_S_C I chose to start with IndieWebify.Me
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pdurbin looks at https://github.com/tadzik/Bailador
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pdurbin ah. Dancer on Perl 6. ok
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V_S_C Dancer is PERL5 counterpart of Sinatra DSL, & NancyFx is the ASP.net one
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V_S_C The first thing that troubled me was invisible metadata stuff.
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pdurbin I didn't know Dancer was so heavily inspired by Sinatra but ok.
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pdurbin "Dancer was inspired by Sinatra" http://www.perldancer.org/about :)
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V_S_C PERL6 is "community" rewrite, & by the time I looked at it, elders were backporting from it to PERL5
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V_S_C I read through http://indiewebcamp.com/antipattern#invisible_metadata
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pdurbin sure. every once in a while I hang out in #perl6
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V_S_C and then http://microformats.org/wiki/invisible-data-considered-harmful
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pdurbin ok, like meta keywords. invisible
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V_S_C The metadata, I am using LOC DNS record rather than ICBM. Locating my (server's) abode seems better than stalking myself everytime I author any page, viz. out of context with the page's intended content
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V_S_C Also, I didn't feel like advertising for silos (they wont pay me ;) so used link tags
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V_S_C When logging in indiewebcamp, the sms never arrived
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V_S_C Then I looked once more on the getting started page
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V_S_C From it I went to http://indiewebcamp.com/email-hosting
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V_S_C and http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting#Platform_as_Service
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V_S_C The silos mentioned to be free mail hosts charge for custom domains!
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V_S_C & Platform as a Service, I just didn't get as it mentioned language-specific runtime.
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kylewm hmm, yeah "language-specific" seems misleading there, as all of them can use multiple languages
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V_S_C Yahoo's tumblr, Google's blogger & GitHub's pages are well known static hosting providers
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V_S_C If I'd want to receive notification on server of replies, then the first companion to static hosting (that comes to my mind) is qtcloudservices
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V_S_C qtcloudservices Managed Application Runtime (MAR), that's in beta, is PaaS as I understand
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kylewm V_S_C: I wouldnt consider tumblr or blogger static hosting providers, so much as content silos
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kylewm feel free to add qtcloudservices to the PaaS section, especially if you are using it on your own site
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V_S_C They certainly are silos undoubtedly, but by supporting custom domain with their restrictions they qualify as "static-only" hosting providers.
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V_S_C kylewm: thnx
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@gasull Privacy as Currency http://musematic.net/2010/03/20/privacy-as-currency/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/501127143565590528)
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V_S_C I'm not much of web person
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V_S_C So I just joined the room to point how the first appearance was
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kylewm V_S_C: how was it? were you able to find what you were looking for?
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V_S_C I chose PaaS as I ain't ready for self-hosting
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V_S_C If I can't own then working with community like Qt is the next best thing :)
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V_S_C The best part is the community folks way ahead to show the way
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V_S_C I had webmention working couple of weeks back with wordpress plugin
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V_S_C I took step back as using too much variety was keeping me from doing things on my own
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V_S_C Unless QtCloudServices will support custom domains, I'll use OpenShift Online.
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@gasull "if you're not paying for something, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold" http://lifehacker.com/5697167/if-youre-not-paying-for-it-youre-the-product #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/501129887969996801)
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V_S_C As for email hosting, I'll just move to zoho
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V_S_C Trouble with Zoho/RedHat is they arn't communities means my contributions are irrelevant.
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pdurbin V_S_C: well, openshift is open source at least
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V_S_C So is Android
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V_S_C The point is, for Zoho/Google/.. I'm the product
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V_S_C Anyway, on weekends I'll try to up my indiemark using PERL6
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kylewm V_S_C: small steps :)
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V_S_C I'm full-time indie developer working remotely (geographic remote locale is why I've to monetize my online presence)
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V_S_C kylewm: exactly
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V_S_C & lets see, if I do great job, then my work will start paying for itself. :)
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V_S_C I ain't updating the indiewebcamp pages right now.
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V_S_C Maybe after couple of weeks progress.. or more people try DNS instead of hidden metadata & PaaS.
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V_S_C B'bye
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pdurbin V_S_C: take care
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sparverius mattl: thanks.
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mattl sparverius: did you get anywhere with it?
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sparverius im out of town but i was poking through the readme and stuff
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mattl sparverius: ah, nice. i just gave the readme a refresh actually.