tantekKartikPrabhu: looks like @luxagraf was owning his own notes here https://luxagraf.net/field-notes/ til June 28, then subsequent tweets are @luxagraf Twitter only. Note also the web actions on his notes.
kylewm!tell tantek: to your question about Bridgy publish to FB, it doesn't have a link-preview because that has to be provided explicitly to the facebook posting API (which bridgy doesn't do)
Loqitantek_: kylewm left you a message 19 seconds ago: to your question about Bridgy publish to FB, it doesn't have a link-preview because that has to be provided explicitly to the facebook posting API (which bridgy doesn't do)
GWGOf course, Facebook is deprecating its XMPP Gateway on April 30, 2015. Google could do so any day, as they've sort of discontinued XMPP support with Hangouts...
david.shanske.comcreated /the_Cask_of_Amontillado (+560) "Created page with "The Cask of Amontillado is an 1846 short story written by Edgar Allan Poe. In the story, one of the characters is, while inebriated, chained to a wall and bricked up alive. Th..."" (view diff)
david.shanske.comcreated /Bitlbee (+315) "Created page with "BitlBee is an IRC to other chat networks gateway. BitlBee currently supports the following IM networks/protocols: XMPP/Jabber (including Google Talk), MSN Messenger, Yahoo! Mess..."" (view diff)
snarfedkylewm: we could make it explicitly opt in. if you leave the checkbox checked in the preview UI, or if you explicitly include a bridgy_omit_link=false in the webmention request (non standard, i know)
kylewmKartikPrabhu: I did look at bleach but ... a) it is slooow (bc hard dependency on html5lib) and b) i wanted to handle special parsing for @usernames and stuff too
tantekon today's CPUs, unless you're doing 3D modeling or protein folding or megabytes of IO or something, your code to do pretty much anything should be instant. Zero human noticeable lag.
snarfedtantek: yes, i know. my site isn't perfect wrt that yet. hard to do on a site with lots of old content; you'll see the same thing on lots of sites that convert to https. not a high priority for me right now.
tantekso it appears folks have converged, whether organically or as a result of the "inmates" discussion earlier, on "u-photo" indicating a photo-post (or subtype thereof)
tanteksince the p-location is a property of the h-entry itself, rather than say being a property of an h-photo (on u-photo) inside the h-entry, I think it makes sense to stick with p-location h-card = checkin
tantekwhereas if you wanted to "tag" the location of the photo itself, there must be some other object nested inside the u-photo which would have such information. E.g. especially if you have multiple u-photo values, it would/could make sense for them each to have a different physical venue, even if they were part of the same post.
tantekKartikPrabhu: it's unlikely that that many different people with such different sites and methods/styles of posting and implementations would converge on something unless it worked particularly well
tantekKartikPrabhu: unlikely. In a photo(s) post, typically if there is more than one photo in the post, the "representative photo" is a thumbnail generated from a grid of all the photos.
kylewmtantek: disregarding markup, what's the difference between the two post types though? like if "a note is a short plain-text article without a title", is a photo "a note with a photo" or...?
tantek.comedited /posts (+913) "/* Inferring post kinds from properties */ u-photo -> photo post. but p-location with venue makes it a checkin regardless. also note p-rsvp, u-like-of, u-repost-of implying post types." (view diff)
tantekKartikPrabhu: I have notes with auto-embedded images all the time, often not from my site. They are all notes with images/photos. None of them are "photo posts"
tantekthe point is to document existing behaviors (i.e. how / what people post on silos and how they are presented differently) and make sure we can do the same
tantekKartikPrabhu: if you want to better understand "what people mean by this distinction", document more silo examples of different post types, with screenshots and permalinks
tantekok kylewm, snarfed, KartikPrabhu, aaronpk and whoever else "conspired" ;) to make u-photo mean "photo post", your real world publishing efforts have not gone unnoticed.
tantekh-entry spec updated accordingly http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry - u-photo promoted from "proposed" to "experimental properties in use in the wild", along with the change in meaning from representative photo of the post to this is a photo post.
tanteksince in the short term, posting quick things on a mailing list is "easier" because you don't have to try to integrate productively with others' work
tantekKevinMarks: we both have no choice, as any scientists who have to redo the work of alchemists who didn't document their work, and we *ARE* redoing this work with a document-it-as-you-implement it practical self-dog-food culture
tantekKartikPrabhu: your homework assignment/mission, should you choose to accept it, is to research what do newspapers call the photo they sometimes post with an article - do they have a special name for it like "representative photo"
tantekyou may use any means at your disposal, including directly contacting Jeremy Zilar at the New York Times who has done research into the different names for the different sizes of headings for example
tantek(a shortcut would be to hack/reuse "icon" or "logo" as a property, e.g. u-icon or u-logo, but those don't exactly mean "representative photo" so we may be doing ourselves a disservice there)
tantekKevinMarks: guessing at bikeshedding before researching existing use is bad form/methodology, hence why I explicitly warned against that shortcut.
tantek!tell snarfed,kylewm one more (hopefully minor this time) Bridgy Publish to FB request. Could I have it say "Originally published at: PostPermalinkURL" instead of "(PostPermalinkURL)" at end of FB POSSE copy? Trying for more human-friendly (paren syntax was intended for Twitter where chars are tight).
Loqisnarfed: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: one more (hopefully minor this time) Bridgy Publish to FB request. Could I have it say "Originally published at: PostPermalinkURL" instead of "(PostPermalinkURL)" at end of FB POSSE copy? Trying for more human-friendly (paren syntax was intended for Twitter where chars are tight).
LoqiThe Cask of Amontillado is an 1846 short story written by Edgar Allan Poe in which a character is chained to a wall and walled up, analogous to many silo practices http://indiewebcamp.com/The_Cask_of_Amontillado
LoqiThe Cask of Amontillado is an 1846 short story written by Edgar Allan Poe in which a character is chained to a wall and walled up, analogous to many silo practices http://indiewebcamp.com/The_Cask_of_Amontillado
snarfedgRegor`: looks like the 401 is because you're replying to someone whose account is protected, which bridgy can't do (unless that person signs up for bridgy too)
tantekeliemichel: click the link to create the page and then copy paste the description of Shaarli that you typed here in IRC - that's fine to start a stub with
aaronparecki.comedited /microsyntax (+1088) "/* Brainstorming */ add quotations section with examples and list of plaintext components of a quotation" (view diff)
gregorlove.comedited /projects (-159) "/* Shaarli */ Removed my 'interest' note; not likely to happen anytime soon. :) Linked to new wiki page." (view diff)
exppad.comcreated /User:Exppad.com (+410) "Created page with "When I discoverd the word of blogging, you though it would be nice to have it a little more "social". For example, being aware of who quote us, or being able to react to other pe..."" (view diff)
tantek_1ok so I'm guessing it takes a while for nicknames to timeout, hence why there is a tantek_ and tantek_com in the channel already, from my previous use of the ?beta IRC UI
tantek_1!tell KartikPrabhu re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446385000 "sometimes feels we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes..." which is why we document real world examples/URLs of square pegs *before* making the mistake of designing round holes for them.
LoqiKartikPrabhu: tantek_1 left you a message 6 minutes ago: re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405446385000 "sometimes feels we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes..." which is why we document real world examples/URLs of square pegs *before* making the mistake of designing round holes for them.
tantek!tell gRegor`, KartikPrabhu were you able to reach out to the usual Chicago hopefuls? Mari and I forget the other person's name that has @-replied a bunch on Twitter about Chicago HWC
gRegor`I sent the standard invite tweet with links to the event and FB copy. Margot RSVPed on FB and has really wanted to make it before, so hopefully she will.
LoqigRegor`: tantek left you a message 52 seconds ago: were you able to reach out to the usual Chicago hopefuls? Mari and I forget the other person's name that has @-replied a bunch on Twitter about Chicago HWC
tantekalso, when did Twitter favorites (as in your own username/favorites page) display order switch from ordered by date-when-favorited-most-recent-first to date-when-original-tweet-published-most-recent-first ?
tantekit was better, because you could be like what was that thing I just favorited and then go check your favorites and see it - regardless of how old the original post was
tanteklol "A problem occurred while loading the page. To use this site, you need to disable AdBlock or any other ads-blocking extension you are using, or customize it to show ads on this site."
snarfedinteresting. i wonder how much of the twitter analytics thing is just messaging. you could sign up for twitter ads before, with zero budget, and see basically the same data
tommorrisIf programmers were building databases 50 years ago, they'd be encoding racial segregation. Today, they are unwittingly encoding cisnormativity. (And if you don't know what that is, check your favourite search engine.)
tantek!tell aaronpk seems like the months=6 param on showing only 6 months of logs has broken here and it is showing *all* months: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Logs
tantekKevinMarks_: unfortunately that won't stop the problem tommorris is pointing out, because programmers love to makeup their own database schemas from scratch over and over and over
tommorristantek: does microformats.org wiki count my hazy recollections as a source for the history of gender representation. because I distinctly remember that there was a protest on MySpace where people would just put "GENDERQUEER" in various fields to fuck with their metadata. alas, the URLs probably do not resolve
tommorrisI once posted the aubergine symbol into #wikipedia-en and got sternly told off because it is part of a range of Unicode characters that cause certain unpatched versions of Xchat for Windows to crash.
Loqiaaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 41 minutes ago: seems like the months=6 param on showing only 6 months of logs has broken here and it is showing *all* months: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Logs
Loqiaaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: if someone asks what is http://example.com/ a URL then Loqi could retrieve the title of the page instead of looking for /