#indiewebcamp 2014-09-07

2014-09-07 UTC
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed, I'm pretty sure I gave it the short URL
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll try again
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: hmm ok
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: you're right, you did use the short url. looking more
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ben_thatmustbeme tried to use webmention, for some reason it looks like i'm not sending mentions on photos, only on notes
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, fixed that error at least
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: great! still not sure why your short link didn't go through, but it may be residue from the original failure. when i try now, it works. hopefully future tweets will work ok
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll try again
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ben_thatmustbeme that last one didn't go through, so i'll post from the shortlink now
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snarfed it'll need to be a different post
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snarfed ah ok i see it is
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snarfed damn, still the long url. ok.
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ben_thatmustbeme same thing, the preview had the shortlink correctly
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snarfed i'll keep looking
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ben_thatmustbeme it has to be something with the preview. I'll try via webmention again to make sure.
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: yeah it is. i'm pushing the fix right now
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snarfed ok, pushed. cc'ed you on the gh commit. thanks for helping debug!
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ben_thatmustbeme yep, that worked. again my webmention didn't send. i think i forgot to push
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snarfed great! the wm one may be an error on my side. looking
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snarfed twitter api may actually have failed on your wm attempt: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1410051800&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9iZW4udGhhdG11c3RiZS5tZS9waG90by8yMDE0LzkvNy8yDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgICAgAoM
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@dissolve333 Testing webmention code. Thus the sudden pile of photos Posted on September 6, 2014 by Ben… (http://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2014/9/7/3) https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/508421291624263680/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508421291624263680)
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snarfed twitter api has steadily been timing out ~3-5% of all of my requests for the last few weeks. meh.
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indie-visitor Hi anybody here?
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ben_thatmustbeme yep
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indie-visitor Cool :)
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indie-visitor Haventt used irc in ages
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indie-visitor So this is where the indieweb discussion take place i suppose?
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ben_thatmustbeme So change you name. /nick in case you have forgotten :P
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ben_thatmustbeme where are you from indie-visitor?
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indie-visitor testing
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ben_thatmustbeme hi there indie-visitor
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GWG Testing acknowledged
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@jmenglund03 Archiving #umnnexted course content on @withknown and #wordpress sites. #indieweb http://known.jenniferenglund.net/2014/archival-process-beginsone-of-the-courses-i-am-taking-this (twitter.com/_/status/508427908416016384)
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uebyn testing
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@wp_digest RT @jmenglund03: Archiving #umnnexted course content on @withknown and #wordpress sites. #indieweb http://known.jenniferenglund.net/2014/archival-process-beginsone-of-the-courses-i-am-taking-this (twitter.com/_/status/508428480862617600)
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uebyn right seems like I'm finally connected properly
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uebyn i've just connected bridgy with my tumblr
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uebyn though frankly i didn't know what i was doing
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uebyn just following instructions on bridgy page
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@t So many thoughtful discussions before, at, after @indiewebcampuk today with so many people. Tomorrow we hack & build. (ttk.me t4Xz1) (twitter.com/_/status/508430640883441664)
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@Uebyn @kyle_wm Just tried IRC but frankly it was intimidating & lotsa work, such as figuring IRC out. Starting to c y silos r winning. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/508438564560850944)
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techlifeweb !tell snarfed thanks for fixing wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd And lo, Ben decide to stop hacking with the WYSIWYG editor, and did deem it necessary to just tell his users to not use it if they want to embed from Twitter or Storify, for they ask you to paste in-page script tags, which breaketh everything, and wysiwyg editors sucketh anyhoo. And forthwith, Ben did save himself much sanity.
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benwerd (Anyone had the same experience? Editors just drop Twitter / Storify embed code.)
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benwerd (That <iframe> / <script> combination is not much-loved.)
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KevinMarks_ I thought twitter let you embed with a blockquote and some js?
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KevinMarks_ <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/kyle_wm">@kyle_wm</a> Just tried IRC but frankly it was intimidating &amp; lotsa work, such as figuring IRC out. Starting to c y silos r winning. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/indieweb?src=hash">#indieweb</a></p>&mdash; Converse with Uebyn (@Uebyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/Uebyn/status/508438564560850944">September 7, 2014</a></blockquote
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@Uebyn @kyle_wm Just tried IRC but frankly it was intimidating & lotsa work, such as figuring IRC out. Starting to c y silos r winning. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/508438564560850944)
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KevinMarks_ that's what I get when I choose "embed this tweet"
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KevinMarks_ so you could embed the widgets decorator script for them and just let them paste the blockquote in
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@GlobalRevLive Why we need #indieweb #indiewebcamp> https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/115/datacide-total-annihilation-life-we-know-it.html DATAcide by @douglashaddow :: corporate mind control boxes, silos & "clouds" (twitter.com/_/status/508457745305980928)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/508452407140155392/508458541028364288 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-09-06 (webmention)
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@oghmaishere RT @GlobalRevLive: Why we need #indieweb #indiewebcamp> https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/115/datacide-total-annihilation-life-we-know-it.html DATAcide by @douglashaddow :: corporate mind control boxes,… (twitter.com/_/status/508460144154275840)
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@Uebyn @kevinmarks @kyle_wm Btw anyone knows what these exclamation marks mean on bridgy? #indieweb https://twitter.com/Uebyn/status/508463192415014912/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508463192415014912)
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@icco Learned about https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/index.html at @IndieWebCampUK yesterday. Neat little tool for verifying SSL configs. (twitter.com/_/status/508463946559283200)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/508452407140155392/508463192415014912 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-09-06 (webmention)
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tommorris Morning all. Everyone sobered up and ready for IWCUK day two?
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snarfed tommorris: hell yes!
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snarfed (ignore the fact that i'm about to go to lseep :P)
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Loqi snarfed: techlifeweb left you a message 4 hours, 13 minutes ago: thanks for fixing wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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@kyle_wm @Uebyn I think those just mean that it tried and failed to send webmentions for those links. cc: @schnarfed (twitter.com/_/status/508506851487395840)
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@kyle_wm @Uebyn (which is fine and normal. most sites don't accept webmentions). click the "1 week, 5 days ago" text for full error msg (twitter.com/_/status/508506973508087808)
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michiell aaronpk: I think the sms authentication of IndieAuth is having some issues
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michiell not urgent to fix, though.
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michiell thanks for creating that, by the way
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neuro` Good morning #indiewebcamp
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michiell goodmorning
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@jkphl Getting out early today for having a final English pre-@IndieWebCampUK breakfast @ Bill's Restaurant http://t.co/rqeZe0mp9u. Anyone else? (twitter.com/_/status/508512639883182080)
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t37.net edited /Amazon_S3 (+1087) "/* Add local file rsync / copy to S3 using Fuse S3 to avoid command line clients use */" (view diff)
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neuro` aaronpk: work done master ;-) http://indiewebcamp.com/Amazon_S3
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: So many thoughtful discussions before, at, after @indiewebcampuk today with so many people. Tomorrow we hack & build. (ttk.me t4Xz1) (twitter.com/_/status/508519609255751681)
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@GlobalRevLive via @riptari @Asher_Wolf http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/05/monetization-automation-enforcement/ social media monetization & commercial algos / tried #indieweb yet? self pub w >> @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/508521463238782976)
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@zahedab RT @tommorris: IndieWebCamp 2014 UK: the Web strikes back! https://tommorris.org/posts/9087 (twitter.com/_/status/508523326546137088)
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@jkphl Getting ready for @IndieWebCampUK day 2 — one last time in #Brighton #EnglishBreakfast #omnomnom https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508529394202071040/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508529394202071040)
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techlifeweb Enjoy Day 2, UK Campers :)
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tantek.com created /2014/UK/Demos (+73) "stub with need to copy" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /https (+100) "/* Level 4 security */ +me" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+19) "/* Saturday 2014-09-06 */ update with printed hashtags" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (-26) "/* Saturday 2014-09-06 */ -bff" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+19) "/* Sunday 2014-09-07 */ intro" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+1) "/* Sunday 2014-09-07 */ linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+160) "/* Saturday 2014-09-06 */ Geekest Link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (+2) "move geekest link to sunday" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Hack_Day_Intro (+507) "general advice" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Hack_Day_Intro (+153) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Hack_Day_Intro (+1) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Hack_Day_Intro (+200) "Hack sessions" (view diff)
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@aral Popped into #indiewebcamp #brighton — reading the etherpads to catch up on yesterday (http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Schedule) (twitter.com/_/status/508542314453958656)
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@aral Re: Yesterday’s security session on SSL (https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-security): See my notes on setting up nginx: https://aralbalkan.com/scribbles/setting-up-ssl-with-nginx-using-a-namecheap-essentialssl-wildcard-certificate-on-digitalocean/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/508542799537770496)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2014/UK/Demos (+10486) "Removed stub status, added tantek’s notes from IRC, linked to kevin’s notes" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Hack_Day_Intro (+117) "/* Hack Sessions */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Hack_Day_Intro (+30) "/* Hack Sessions */" (view diff)
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@mariondita RT @aral: Re: Yesterday’s security session on SSL (https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-security): See my notes on setting up nginx: https://aralbalkan.com/scribbles/setting-up-ssl-with-nginx-using-a-namecheap-essentialssl-wildcard-certificate-on-digitalocean/ #i… (twitter.com/_/status/508543374039994368)
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@indy_johar RT @aral: Popped into #indiewebcamp #brighton — reading the etherpads to catch up on yesterday (http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Schedule) (twitter.com/_/status/508543752575537152)
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@indy_johar RT @aral: Popped into #indiewebcamp #brighton — reading the etherpads to catch up on yesterday (http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Schedule) (twitter.com/_/status/508543757449707520)
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barnabywalters_ good morning #indiewebcamp!
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barnabywalters_ just getting remote participation for the hack day intros up and running
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barnabywalters_ okay, join http://talky.io/indiewebcamp for live video!
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tommorris IRC ftw.
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tommorris.org edited /IRC_People (+114) "adding image" (view diff)
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tommorris oh wow, the image is now there.
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@aral Day 2 of #indiewebcamp #brighton kicking off. https://twitter.com/aral/status/508545263557181440/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508545263557181440)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@MeetJellybeans RT @aral: Day 2 of #indiewebcamp #brighton kicking off. https://twitter.com/aral/status/508545263557181440/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508547568939593728)
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barnabywalters_ no-one’s in remote participation so I’m turning it off to preserve battery power — let me know if you want a feed and I’ll turn it back on!
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@cole_peters RT @aral: Re: Yesterday’s security session on SSL (https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-security): See my notes on setting up nginx: https://aralbalkan.com/scribbles/setting-up-ssl-with-nginx-using-a-namecheap-essentialssl-wildcard-certificate-on-digitalocean/ #i… (twitter.com/_/status/508550608266485761)
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aaronpk_ Good morning!
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KevinMarks__ morning
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KevinMarks__ wondering if we should be in remote
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aaronpk_ I am mildly awake at 3am here, I believe I have the ability to stay awake
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aaronpk_ Is there enough going on right now that it would make sense to join the talky ?
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aaronpk_ barnabywalters ^
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KevinMarks__ is hacking
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barnabywalters_ hi alpower!
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alpower barnabywalters here you go http://davidwalsh.name/php-ssl-curl-error - might be useful
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barnabywalters_ !tell aaronpk everyone’s chatting and typing, it‘d be nice you have you here too!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters_ alpower: there’s also http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ which goes through the basics of mf2 with some examples
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equivalentideas watching the feed from Sydney, wishing I was in Brighton :)
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barnabywalters_ equivalentideas: cool! which feed?
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equivalentideas setting up a an indie library in solidarity :) https://github.com/equivalentideas/home/issues/18
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equivalentideas just this chat at the moment and the etherpads
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tommorris alpower: http://paulstamatiou.com/photos/ :)
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alpower tommorris cheers! you've just upped my ambitions rather massively ;)
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tommorris Yeah. Same.
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aaronpk_ It would appear I overestimated my level of awakeness
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tommorris that's what it did for me: made me look at both Flickr and Twitter/FB and go "yeah, that doesn't look as nice as it does on my laptop" ;-)
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Loqi aaronpk_: barnabywalters_ left you a message 5 minutes ago: everyone’s chatting and typing, it‘d be nice you have you here too!
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aaronpk_ I'm going to try to nap for 1.5 hrs and join then
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tommorris pixel-stalks some of alpower's photos
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@jkphl @schnarfed Hey Ryan. The recurring requests from my site to Bridgy should have stopped now. Can you confirm this? +@IndieWebCampUK (twitter.com/_/status/508558140309508096)
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tantek good morning from Brighton!
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icco morning from the train to brighton!
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@ShaneHudson Love the discussion that goes on at @IndieWebCampUK, IRC is good but having so many great minds in one room really is interesting (twitter.com/_/status/508561311417237504)
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tantek.com edited /webactions-verbs-brainstorming (+1134) "subsections, add tip" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /webactions (+18) "/* Wrap tweet or share */ Update action to indie-action" (view diff)
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tommorris holy damn, I just got distracted into trying to fix a particularly fiddly OSM issue.
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@TryEventifier @indiewebcampuk #indieweb #indiewebcamp is being archived here, have a look: http://eventifier.com/event/indieweb14/ CC @OhhSocialMedia @alpower Ty. (twitter.com/_/status/508563341665918976)
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adactio.com edited /webactions (+48) "/* Wrap favorite reply retweet */ Update action to indie-action" (view diff)
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@brennannovak @quinnnorton have you looked into the #IndieWeb protocols / approach? @cole_peters (twitter.com/_/status/508565179756720128)
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@t Switching <action> to <indie-action> for #webactions per @adactio suggestion and web components convention. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y01) (twitter.com/_/status/508565458790789121)
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adactio.com edited /webactions (+12) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Updating action to indie-action" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+124) "/* Tantek */ updated my site to use <indie-action> instead of <action>" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /webactions (+363) "/* Wrap tweet or share */ Link to custom elements spec" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Template:adactio (+129) "create it since I used it" (view diff)
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tantek voxpelli_: http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#IndieWeb_Examples
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@t Updated @falcon (and my site) to use <indie-action> tags, and @adactio updated http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions documentation. (ttk.me t4Y02) (twitter.com/_/status/508567952527212545)
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@Dennisimo Discussion web components @addyosmani's FIRST principles at #indiewebcamp… http://addyosmani.com/first/ +@adactio (twitter.com/_/status/508568004825972736)
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bnvk happy hackin to you UK campers
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barnabywalters_ bnvk: greetings, and thanks!
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barnabywalters_ actually you’ve dropped in at exactly the right time — I have an update for indiewebify which needs deploying :)
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barnabywalters_ in a minute
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bnvk brilliant
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bnvk just lemme know
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@hakkiocal RT @t: Updated @falcon (and my site) to use <indie-action> tags, and @adactio updated http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions documentation. (ttk.me t4Y02) (twitter.com/_/status/508568426227703808)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/508567952527212545/508568426227703808 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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kodfabrik.se edited /webactions (+249) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Added my indie-action implementation" (view diff)
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tommorris Just rewrote the Web Components page on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_components
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/15123426 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+61) "/* Tantek */ noted I *currently* use <indie-action> tags, and merely historically used <action> from 2013-09-08 to 2014-09-06" (view diff)
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@pfefferle RT @t: Updated @falcon (and my site) to use <indie-action> tags, and @adactio updated http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions documentation. (ttk.me t4Y02) (twitter.com/_/status/508570686143868928)
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@pfefferle RT @t: Switching <action> to <indie-action> for #webactions per @adactio suggestion and web components convention. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y01) (twitter.com/_/status/508570823930937344)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/18299065 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/10424452 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/14187719 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/274619360 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/613043 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/508567952527212545/508570686143868928 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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@ShaneHudson RT @t: Switching <action> to <indie-action> for #webactions per @adactio suggestion and web components convention. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y01) (twitter.com/_/status/508572489937850368)
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@adactio At Indie Web Camp, adding webactions (a custom element) to my notes http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions e.g. http://adactio.com/notes/7408 (twitter.com/_/status/508573119213473793)
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@stilkov This: “POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere” http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/508573311346180096)
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tommorris progress so far: managed to noodle my database properly so I can make webmentions work.
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bnvk tommorris: what kind of noodles did you use?
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bnvk :P
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tommorris high-quality organic ones.
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tommorris (We are in Brighton after all.)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/16510410 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/557803040 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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bnvk ah yes, good man!
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@timretout Hackety hack hack #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/508574764193951744)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all. Hope your hack day is going well
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@Dennisimo Must look into Kango ("cross-browser extension framework") #indiewebcamp. ht @BarnabyWalters (twitter.com/_/status/508575730125787137)
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tantek Excellent example of an indiewebcamp.com/this post: https://twitter.com/stilkov/status/508573311346180096
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@stilkov This: “POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere” http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/508573311346180096)
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@jkphl Yep, next @IndieWebCampUK achievement: Enabled webactions for sharing articles on my site http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (twitter.com/_/status/508578124729417728)
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barnabywalters_ bnvk: okay, good to pull now!
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bnvk k
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK (+0) "/* Schedule */ update day 2" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/UK/Schedule (-23) "/* Sunday 2014-09-07 */ update lunch etc. 24hr" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/70203179 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/138433702 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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bnvk barnabywalters_: deployed & updateded deps
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barnabywalters_ bnvk: awesome, thanks!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/15681166 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/695591480/10152265054031481/530888200 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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KevinMarks__ so, trying a new thing
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KevinMarks__ turning feeds into h-feeds
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Loqi [mention] http://ben.thatmustbe.me/?year=2014&month=9&day=7&daycount=4&slug=hello_facebook_hopefully linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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KevinMarks__ put a feed URL into http://feed.unmung.com/
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@dissolve333 Testing webmention code. Thus the sudden pile of photos (http://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2014/9/7/3) https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/508579878908620801/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508579878908620801)
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GWG lurks again
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KevinMarks__ (BTW, when did google apps lose all ability to change domain mappings?)
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@elmarschraml RT @stilkov: This: “POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere” http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/508580509501636609)
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@websiteberlin webactions - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #website (twitter.com/_/status/508580523497635841)
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KevinMarks__ eg http://feed.unmung.com/feed?feed=http://daringfireball.net/feeds/main
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KevinMarks__ which cna then go into shrewdness as http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fdaringfireball.net%2Ffeeds%2Fmain
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KevinMarks__ though that seems to break column view
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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KevinMarks__ hm, do i need ot echo feed author to post author, barnaby?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/24348846 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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@absynthmind RT @stilkov: This: “POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere” http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/508581762654818305)
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Loqi [mention] http://evilgeniuschronicles.org/2014/09/07/a-new-snap-insight/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@VanDerLubben Don’t like Facebook owning and controlling your content? Use tools that support the open Web #indieweb http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/508583542142812160)
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KevinMarks__ barnabywalters: so, I cna now subscribe to arbitrary feeds using shrewdness
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KevinMarks__ compare http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http://daringfireball.net with http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fdaringfireball.net%2Ffeeds%2Fmain
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KevinMarks__ what is unmung
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unmung" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=unmung
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Loqi [mention] http://btmb.me/s/u linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@J_A_K_A_R_T_A_ Eventifier @TryEventifier - @indiewebcampuk #indieweb #indiewebcamp is being archived here, have a look: eventif... https://twitter.com/TryEventifier/status/508563341665918976 (twitter.com/_/status/508585941993545728)
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, anyone know if i can get brid.gy to not post just the title of my articles?
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe i'm doing something wrong
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kevinmarks.com created /unmung (+594) "unmung makes h-feed from legacy feeds" (view diff)
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KevinMarks__ what is unmung
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/unmung
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KevinMarks__ hm, did I get dfn wrong?
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KevinMarks__ what is unmung
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/unmung
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KevinMarks__ so, who's got legacy feeds fro me to try?
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@invispide RT @aral: Day 2 of #indiewebcamp #brighton kicking off. https://twitter.com/aral/status/508545263557181440/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508589880138801152)
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@invispide webactions http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (twitter.com/_/status/508590510668533760)
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@jkphl #IndieWeb burger @ Brighton beach w/ @icco @aral @ShaneHudson and others https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508590951372451841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508590951372451841)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/508588770854461443 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/508588563639046145 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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@jgarber @adactio And answered my own question: http://t.co/Lkbp2ASFIq. Could that link be added to the @indiewebcamp wiki for clarity? (twitter.com/_/status/508591762844053504)
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@ShaneHudson RT @jkphl: #IndieWeb burger @ Brighton beach w/ @icco @aral @ShaneHudson and others https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508590951372451841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508592421568262145)
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aaronpk good morning!
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aaronpk hope I didn't miss too much
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aaronpk looks like everyone's out to lunch?
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@xtof_fr .@dumeny still lost in #webmention ! Vivement un #indiewebcamp Paris :) http://christopheducamp.com/2014-250 (twitter.com/_/status/508593192691052544)
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KevinMarks__ ah
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hecav hi! I've been lurking for about 20m but it's seemed quiet so far
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KevinMarks__ that could be why they weren't responding
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KevinMarks__ hi hecav - did you not mange to get to brighton today?
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@xtof_fr .@dumeny erreur de #POSSE #indieweb á la mano... il fallait lire http://christopheducamp.com/w/2014-250 (twitter.com/_/status/508593788340944896)
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hecav i only thought about that once i'd typed it, oops!
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hecav no, was hoping to get down (i live in brighton) but we had people try to break in at 3am last night which messed up my sleep & therefore grand plans
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@adactio @jgarber @indiewebcamp Sure, go ahead and add that. (twitter.com/_/status/508594192499884032)
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@icco RT @jkphl: #IndieWeb burger @ Brighton beach w/ @icco @aral @ShaneHudson and others https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508590951372451841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508594387769905152)
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KevinMarks__ oh dear
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hecav (i started to go anyway but was so sleepy i kept crashing my wheelchair into walls)
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hecav yeah, it's all good really but was not great timing! how was yesterday? your notes were amazing, thank you
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KevinMarks__ I'm remote from california, so I nodded off after the opening, but I hear good things
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@domenicoperri RT @aral: Day 2 of #indiewebcamp #brighton kicking off. https://twitter.com/aral/status/508545263557181440/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508595152471228416)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/1674781 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/508594192499884032 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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aaronpk I was this close to staying up since 3am but couldn't quite do it, lol
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KevinMarks__ I've been staying up hacking on unmung
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aaronpk what is unmung?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/unmung
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aaronpk sweet!
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aaronpk what is unmung?
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Loqi Unmung is a service that turns legacy feeds into h-feeds http://indiewebcamp.com/unmung
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aaronpk catching up on logs
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aaronpk oh hey I guess that was a dream
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: you dreamed that we did a thing?
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aaronpk definitely had a dream that adactio had tweeted something with the #indieweb hashtag that was getting hundreds of retweets per minute
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: that’s hilarious
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aaronpk and Loqi was streaming them into IRC
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aaronpk so fast that he was getting kicked off and crashing
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aaronpk and this was happening when I was asleep, and barnaby was able to restart Loqi periodically
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Loqi woot!
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aaronpk and then I had to go tweak Loqi to stop displaying retweets in IRC in order for people to actually be able to have a conversation here
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aaronpk anyway... glad to see that did not actually happen
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aaronpk is finishing up adding bookmarks to his site today
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GWG aaronpk: How are you adding them?
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aaronpk I'm starting with importing everything from http://aaron.pk/bookmarks
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aaronpk then making a simple web interface for adding bookmarks
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aaronpk considering making that another micropub app, but might just go the easy route for now
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aaronpk hm I could make that part of Quill
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aaronpk that seems like a reasonable place to put it
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bnvk aaronpk: wait, shouldn't you be bummed that that didn't actually happen? :)?
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aaronpk bnvk: oh lol hm sure
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ShaneHudson I've imported my comments :D Not perfect but I think I can cope, tiny loss of data
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ShaneHudson Just need to show them on the pages now
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bnvk aaronpk: what is Quill?
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Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using micropub http://indiewebcamp.com/Quill
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alpower1 aaronpk - hiya - quick Q: I was able to sign into the IndieWebAuth yesterday, but since going SSL today I can't - some kind of certificate chain issue with https://alpower.com ??
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rascul alpower1 check your site with https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ it can be helpful for diagnosing ssl stuff
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aaronpk alpower1: let me take a look
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aaronpk yeah I just see the generic certificate verify failed
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alpower1 aaronpk I just get 'There was an SSL error connecting to https://alpower.com' maybe the cert chain?
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: pretty sure it’s to do with the same CA cert issue which is preventing other tools from working with Al’s site — default chains don’t have his intermediate cert
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alpower1 aaronpk https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=alpower.com
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aaronpk if ssllabs says everything is ok then I probably need to add whatever root cert yours is signed with
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ShaneHudson Yeah I need to fix the intermediate cert problem too
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barnabywalters_ I’m currently exporting my local firefox certs into a PEM file which can be used with clients which should sort this out
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aaronpk for some reason it seems that more people are getting SSL certs from untrusted roots these days
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rascul looks like it's startcom
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ShaneHudson I got mine from Namecheap
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rascul which should aready be trusted because mine works
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: not untrusted roots, intermediate certs which are signed by trusted roots but not included in cert bundles
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barnabywalters_ browsers just fetch and verify them but cURL and similar apparently need them all in the bundle
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aaronpk ah
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GWG barnabywalters_: I have to remember how to add them in manually.
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aaronpk wonder if there's an http client library that supports fetching these intermediate certs automatically
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alpower1 aaronpk barnabywalters it was from https://www.startssl.com/ - I believe their root cert is https://www.startssl.com/certs/ca.cer however not sure where their intermediary is
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rascul alpower1 are you using nginx?
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alpower1 apache I believe, however handled by my hosting company (web faction)
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aaronpk alpower1: that's odd, I use startssl.com for mine as well, which worked without any changes
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rascul ahh ok
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/441207310 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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rascul i think it's a bundle issue like barnabywalters_ mentioned
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rascul http://www.startssl.com/certs/
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk well I can go add stuff to the bundle
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rascul if it's the cert bundle then it's the web server end not the indieauth end
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rascul er, chain i mean
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@jkphl .@adactio & @t arguing about indie-actions @IndieWebCampUK +@tommorris @icco @voxpelli https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508605294499606528/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508605294499606528)
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aaronpk alpower1: I just installed the startssl bundle and now your site works!
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: my firefox export is failing, where did you get the startssl bundle from?
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aaronpk http://www.startssl.com/certs/ca-bundle.pem
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aaronpk linked from http://www.startssl.com/certs/
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barnabywalters_ awesome! adding them to my bundle now
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rascul it looked like the web server wasn't sending the intermediate cert in the chain
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aaronpk wouldn't ssllabs complain about that?
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rascul it does
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rascul i think
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barnabywalters_ it does, but quitely
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rascul says the chain is incomplete and the intermediate cert was an extra download
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk should I un-add the bundle and make people put in the complete chain?
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: nope, emulate browser behaviour as much as possible
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rascul yeah keep it
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@icco My @IndieWebCampUK project: https://github.com/icco/natnatnat Hopefully it'll be ugly but working by the end of the day. (twitter.com/_/status/508606498826489856)
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barnabywalters_ otherwise we get weird situations where sites work fine in browsers but not with tools like indieauth or indiewebify
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aaronpk k, it's just gonna be a game of whack a mole to keep finding all the chains for each root CA
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: yeah but we’ll quickly end up with one huge file we can all use and it’ll just work
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rascul i didn't have the issue with my site because i send the intermediate cert in the chain
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aaronpk ok
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@digitalblissltd RT @jkphl: #IndieWeb burger @ Brighton beach w/ @icco @aral @ShaneHudson and others https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508590951372451841/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508606874166779904)
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barnabywalters_ we’re turning remote participation back on!
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aaronpk prepares himself
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KevinMarks__ OK
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/b/2014-09-07/in-reply-to-fred-about-webmention/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#draft_levels (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/b/2014-09-07/in-reply-to-fred-about-webmention/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/discuss (pingback)
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KevinMarks__ hm, barnabywalters are you stripping <audio> tags?
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barnabywalters_ https://talky.io/indiewebcamp is now staring at a wall!
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KevinMarks__ http://feed.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.wnyc.org%2Fonthemedia
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barnabywalters_ it’s that or me
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KevinMarks__ but http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ffeeds.wnyc.org%252Fonthemedia
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tommorris is engaging in madness.
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: yup, currently shrewdness strips out a bunch of HTML for security
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KevinMarks__ :(
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barnabywalters_ and sanity
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barnabywalters_ but that can be altered probably fairly easily
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barnabywalters_ hi aaronpk!
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KevinMarks__ I was trying to make shrewdness into a stealth podcatcher
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aaronpk hi barnabywalters_! I blacked out my screen for bandwidth savings
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: cool
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alpower1 aaronpk barnabywalters - just logged in OK to the indieweb site - thanks!!
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aaronpk alpower1: great!
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aaronpk nice shirt barnabywalters_!
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: thanks — got it from brian
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KevinMarks__ I get a blck screen and a"connection failed"
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aaronpk i'm the black screen
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barnabywalters_ not sure who the connection failed is
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KevinMarks__ can you see me?
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aaronpk i can see kevin
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: I can’t see kevin
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KevinMarks__ I can't see brighton
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KevinMarks__ shall I reconnect?
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aaronpk p2p is weird lol
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KevinMarks__ aha, that's better
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: noted your podcasting <audio> request in https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/issues/4
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tommorris just fixing the RDFa on my site.
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KevinMarks__ OK, I'm goign to get some tea
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KevinMarks__ who has a feed for me to try>
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GWG rss or h-feed?
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KevinMarks__ rss or atom, which I turn inot h-feed
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aaronpk barnabywalters_: did you say location trail of people?
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aaronpk KevinMarks__: http://xkcd.com/rss.xml
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KevinMarks__ probably mostly of aaron
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: yep! discussed it yesterday, realised that shrewdness has been quietly indexing location data
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aaronpk barnabywalters_: nice!!
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KevinMarks__ http://feed.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fxkcd.com%2Frss.xml
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aaronpk barnabywalters_: I've been including the actual lat/lng of posts in my microformats feed, but only displaying the place name on the page. so you should get some pretty good data from me
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KevinMarks__ so I can sub to xkcd in shrewdness?
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: I look forward to being able to have a “webcomics” column using unmung :)
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aaronpk LOL who added the IRC logs to shrewdness?
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aaronpk they're showing up for my #indieweb search
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barnabywalters_ that’ll probably be the use-case which forces me to allow people to resize columns
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: kylewm :)
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KevinMarks__ you strip <img> too though
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KevinMarks__ http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fxkcd.com%252Frss.xml
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks_: pretty sure that’s not the case — example?
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KevinMarks__ you don't like summary?
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aaronpk KevinMarks__: looks like you need to add a proper author? those are showing up as being from feed.unmung
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KevinMarks__ I can put e-content on the e-summary if you like
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: pretty sure I’m not using summary for anything yet, but have considered allowing people to collapse things with long content into name+summary
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aaronpk barnabywalters_: oh no, now shrewdness is the best way to search the IRC logs
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: they would be if it wasn’t for all the Loqi noise :(
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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barnabywalters_ I tried to make an “indiewebcamp” search column and the results were all “X joined #indiewebcamp”
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aaronpk like wiki edits?
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aaronpk oh!
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@xtof_fr @dumeny : essaye d'abord indiewebify.me pour avancer sur #indiemark cf http://christopheducamp.com/b/2014-09-07/in-reply-to-fred-about-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/508609577995104257)
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aaronpk those aren't showing up wit hthe right author
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@jkphl Like! :) +@IndieWebCampUK https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508612080711516160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508612080711516160)
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aaronpk maybe I can just remove the h-entry from those
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KevinMarks__ there we go, I added an e-content to the e-summary, and now we have xkcd in shrewdness
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KevinMarks__ http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fxkcd.com%252Frss.xml
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barnabywalters_ IMO if it doesn’t have an obvious author it’s probably not a h-entry
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: WOOT!
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Loqi woot
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KevinMarks__ hm, xkcd doesn't have author
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: sounds like a case of invisible data neglection
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KevinMarks__ so, if you unblock <audio> you have a podcast listener too
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KevinMarks__ yep
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KevinMarks__ except you show the author as my tool's domain
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barnabywalters_ yeah, I fall back to domain + favicon for the author if there is none
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: maybe take the feed name and link to stub an author? it would work okay for xkcd
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aaronpk alright removed h-entry from the join messages
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: thanks!
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KevinMarks__ or you could fall back on the h-feed level p-name and u-url as they are there
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@_subnet RT @t: Updated @falcon (and my site) to use <indie-action> tags, and @adactio updated http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions documentation. (ttk.me t4Y02) (twitter.com/_/status/508614111442530304)
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@kyle_wm @jkphl I can! Nicely done, looks like the last one was around 10am @schnarfed @IndieWebCampUK (twitter.com/_/status/508614118543081473)
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KevinMarks__ "type": [ "h-feed" ], "properties": { "name": [ "xkcd.com" ], "subtitle": [ "xkcd.com: A webcomic of romance and math humor." ], "url": [ "http://xkcd.com/" ] },
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KevinMarks__ barnabywalters: see above
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@jkphl @kyle_wm Perfect! \o/ +@schnarfed @IndieWebCampUK (twitter.com/_/status/508614343769210882)
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KevinMarks__ you can use it if no author, barnabywalters
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: btw, subtitle isn’t a h-feed property (maybe summary would be more consistent?)
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KevinMarks__ it is an atom one though
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aaronpk the sun just came up in portland
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KevinMarks__ so I may as well replicate it
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aaronpk I need some markup advice
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aaronpk for bookmarks
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aaronpk I want something like <a href="" class="p-name u-bookmark">Post Title</a>
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aaronpk but need to put h-cite in there somewhere
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aaronpk doing <a href="" class="p-name u-bookmark h-cite">Post Title</a> is not good because then the name becomes an h-cite object
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/14256894 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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aaronpk tantek: any thoughts on the markup above?
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aaronpk or barnabywalters_
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: onions: <span class=“p-name”><a class=“u-bookmark h-cite”>
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aaronpk clever
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aaronpk that works. so then does it make sense to have a "bookmark" property which is an h-cite?
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aaronpk (vs just a child h-cite)
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tantek aaronpk - did you check markup of existing folks publishing /bookmarks ?
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tantek e.g. adactio?
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aaronpk ooh didn't know adactio was publsihing bookmarks
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aaronpk I checked kylewm
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tantek I agree that an h-cite should be used for the bookmark URL, name, etc. itself
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tantek aaronpk: http://adactio.com/links
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tantek it even has its own POSSE: https://twitter.com/adactioLinks
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aaronpk hm, doesn't have an h-cite, or even include the bookmark URL as a property
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aaronpk in fact the bookmarked URL is completely hidden from the mf2 markup
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aaronpk ok i'm pretty happy with this. we'll see what others think once it's live.
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voxpelli_ barnabywalters: https://gist.github.com/voxpelli/e64db6931a951b2d5181
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tantek aaronpk are you using u-bookmark ?
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aaronpk p-bookmark h-cite
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tantek in the same way that photo posts use u-photo?
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tantek ah! interesting (and sensible)
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tantek you could use <a href=… class="u-bookmark h-cite"> also
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tantek a single element as it were
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aaronpk I had that originally but it ended up resulting in the same parsed output
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aaronpk here is what it looks like https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/e3ef3eeab1569a95ccf4
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aaronpk I plan to add a u-photo there as well eventually, but not on my first pass
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tantek a u-photo inside the h-cite?
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aaronpk I think on the h-entry
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aaronpk not totally sure tho. like I said, second pass.
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aaronpk the HTML that generates that is <span class="p-name"><a href="http://cocoacontrols.com/platforms/ios/controls/ocmapview" class="p-bookmark h-cite">OCMapView for iOS</a></span>
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aaronpk when I had class="u-bookmark h-cite" it also generated the same parsed result
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aaronpk is that correct parsing rules?
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KevinMarks__ tried to add feed finding and got too many dependencies
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tantek aaronpk - that's odd because it should be different
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tantek with u-bookmark the "bookmark" property should have value "http://cocoacontrols.com/platforms/ios/controls/ocmapview"
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tantek with p-bookmark the "bookmark" property should have value "OCMapView for iOS"
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sixtwothree.org edited /webactions (+69) "/* Wrap tweet or share */ Add link to custom element name definition / Submit to @adactio's will" (view diff)
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tantek the "bookmark" property of the h-entry that is
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@jgarber @adactio You're not the boss of me! Related: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=webactions&action=history (twitter.com/_/status/508625212733001729)
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aaronpk note the h-cite class
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aaronpk with "h-cite p-bookmark" I would expect the "bookmark" property to be an h-cite object
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aaronpk but I don't know what to expect with "h-cite u-bookmark"
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kylewm good morning! are demos starting out there soon?
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tantek kylewm: hah - not til 16:30 BST - don't scare people.
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tantek aaronpk - in both cases, there is a *value* of the "bookmark" property, *and* it has a child of h-cite
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kylewm tantek: hah good point :P
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tantek aaronpk, for your review (just wrote this up this morning, and started the day with it) http://indiewebcamp.com/Hack_Day_Intro
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aaronpk oooh cool
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+64) "revert span id, was there for past references. note date since for Pelle, sort" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson Using this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17308690/how-do-i-enable-perfect-forward-secrecy-by-default-on-apache I managed A- SSL score :D
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ShaneHudson Got it up to A :)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/16536059 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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tantek ShaneHudson++ Yeah!
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Loqi ShaneHudson has 4 karma
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tantek ShaneHudson: please add that documentation link to /https !
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icco 30 Minute warning till demos?
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ShaneHudson Will do, I used https://community.qualys.com/blogs/securitylabs/2013/08/05/configuring-apache-nginx-and-openssl-for-forward-secrecy just copy and paste
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ShaneHudson Any idea why a https redirect would make my site far slower?
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tantek no idea - perhaps add that as an FAQ to /https ?
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tantek (i.e. even without the answer)
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pdurbin how much slower?
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tommorris if any of you are testing microformats2, mf2py (the Python parser) now has a live parser at http://mf2py.herokuapp.com/
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tommorris or indeed https://mf2py.herokuapp.com/
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alanpearce ShaneHudson: your http:// url points to https:// which then goes to https://www
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alanpearce http://www.webpagetest.org/video/compare.php?tests=140907_EG_EYM,140907_CE_EYN
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ShaneHudson alanpearce: Ooo thanks. Will see if I can fix that!
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jkphl tommorris: when i test my site there (https://jkphl.is) i get an internal server error (with or without protocol)
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voxpelli_ Pushed a quick simple proof of concept of a WebActions web component: https://github.com/voxpelli/indie-action-component
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tommorris jkphl: will test
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pdurbin alanpearce: good stuff
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alanpearce Might also want to enable SPDY
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tantek___ what is SPDY?
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alanpearce http://spdycheck.org/#www.shanehudson.net
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SPDY" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SPDY
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tantek___ alanpearce - could you create a /SPDY page with that advice?
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alanpearce Hmm.
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alanpearce Looks like I can.
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alanpearce No idea what to put on it though.
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KevinMarks__ tommorris: seems t work on unmung OK https://mf2py.herokuapp.com/parse
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tantek___ alanpearce, just a 1 sentence summary of SPDY and that link to check / enable SPDY would be a great start!
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tommorris jkphl: HTTPS not supported on the mf2py test site. will be once I've worked out how
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GWG Is SPDY really speedy?
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ShaneHudson Sorted out my slow site, and added the fixes to wiki
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snarfed tommorris: cool! also https://kylewm.com/api/mf2?url=…
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jkphl tommorris: ah well. just switched everything to HTTPS only :D
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tantek___ tommorris I think barnabywalters just figured out recently how to support consuming HTTPS better in shrewdness, he might have some tips.
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tantek___ jkphl++ for switching everything to HTTPS only!
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Loqi jkphl has 2 karma
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tommorris tantek___, barnabywalters_, jkphl: yeah, just need to drop in the certificates and so on.
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kylewm snarfed: tommorris: wow, the output from herokuapp is much more readable. ordered more like it it in pin13's parser
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KevinMarks__ I have a demo
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icco oh?
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icco What did you build
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KevinMarks__ I built unmung - turns legacy feeds into h-feed
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aaronpk even more less code? lol
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KevinMarks__ I'll need to cache the feeds if we're going to do it a lot
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@oldaily Why can&#39;t you comment on this post? #indieweb #oldaily http://www.downes.ca/post/62754 (twitter.com/_/status/508641660889100288)
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GWG KevinMarks: Not a bad idea either way.
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KevinMarks__ very echoey
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ShaneHudson I need to do loads of wiki updates. I now have webmentions, webfragmentions, high level ssl, using craft, multiple post types etc
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@Uebyn @kyle_wm Haha I did,din get the error messages tho. So I assume unless someone who links to me is on #indieweb it won't show on my site? (twitter.com/_/status/508642009368633345)
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KevinMarks__ lost you on the video
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aaronpk aw come back barnabywalters_!
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icco My demo worked until I deployed it
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aaronpk ay
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icco typical
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aaronpk \o/
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barnabywalters_ ay ay ay
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tantek___ demos starting!
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KevinMarks__ can we see them?
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tantek___ Glenn Jones
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tantek___ shows Nearest things
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tantek___ from his site running transmat.io
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Loqi [mention] http://www.downes.ca/post/62754 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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tantek___ ... found an HTML5 JS open source pedometer!
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tommorris so, Glenn Jones has been working on indie-fitbit.js
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @glennjones: my site http://glennjones.net/ shows me the nearest places to me so I can check in (twitter.com/_/status/508643169945128960)
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tantek … he took that and repurposed it
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @glennjones: I found an HTML5 JS open source pedometer! @tommorris: so, Glenn Jones has been working on indie-fitbit.js (twitter.com/_/status/508643319144910848)
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tantek … he's running both on his Android
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barnabywalters_ is the audio okay?
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tantek it only does GPS lookups when he's walking
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tantek so it saves battery
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tantek but now he has an HTML5 JS app that can auto-checkin for him while he's walking
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aaronpk the audio is a little quiet. can you move the camera closer?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @glennjones: by having this javscript pedometer, I can make my phone only look for locations when I am walking (twitter.com/_/status/508643657361014784)
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aaronpk (i'm assuming you're using the logitech camera?)
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tantek aaronpk yes
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tantek up next
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tantek Barnaby Walters and Pelle
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tantek two demos
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Loqi [mention] http://edumio.com/?p=4176 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/syndication-models (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://edumio.com/?p=4176 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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aaronpk oh nice, screen sharing is great
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ShaneHudson Could someone confirm whether or not shanehudson.net redirects to www? Does for me, but apparently it isn't working
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KevinMarks__ inception of us
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tantek barnabywalters: has setup registerprotocol handler on Taproot
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tantek has a UI to register this site as a handler for indie actions
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tantek browser asks to confirm
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tantek he says yes
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GWG tantek: A web URL handler?
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tantek then barnabywalters goes to voxpelli_'s site
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GWG is excited and can't watch video
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: on install of taproot, it registers as a handler for indie actions (twitter.com/_/status/508644110006091776)
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tantek which has <indie-action> tags
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aaronpk this is amazing
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aaronpk way better to not require a browser extension!!
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GWG Someone has to describe more
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GWG tantek: This is exactly what I was commenting on. Universal compatibility. I wish I could see this demonstration.
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aaronpk GWG: https://talky.io/indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: we can do cross-site commenting without a browser extension by having handlers on our site (twitter.com/_/status/508644435094433792)
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GWG aaronpk: I can't right now. I'm not in a position to watch.
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GWG I have to wait for the writeup
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tantek voxpelli_'s site is using a web component to handle his <indie-action> tags on his site
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aaronpk ah ok
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tantek that web component creates an iframe that uses the same protocol handler
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tantek that connects it back to calling the handler that Taproot registred
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KevinMarks__ who's talking?
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aaronpk barnaby
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tantek and thus without anything installed in the browser, barnabywalters can go to voxpelli_'s site, click the Reply button that was there which automatically goes to barnabywalters Taproot UI to post a reply!
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tantek and now demo 2
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tantek barnabywalters talking for demo 2
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tantek now working on posting locations
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aaronpk I love how amber appears in china!
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tantek built an aggregator that shows icons for people by where their posts are
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: I added in intermediate certificates so we can use SSL with all our tools (twitter.com/_/status/508645160981643264)
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aaronpk hahahaha
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Loqi hehe
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @BarnabyWalters: I also added a way to track people's posts who use shrewdness (twitter.com/_/status/508645425784426496)
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tantek on a map
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tantek this is a demo URL for now
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tantek but wants to include it as a column type in shrewdness
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aaronpk nice
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voxpelli_ GWG: the web component from mine and barnabywalters demo: https://github.com/voxpelli/indie-action-component
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tantek so you can have a map view of recent posts from people you're following
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aaronpk barnabywalters_: fwiw I don't get the panning glitch in Chrome
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: oh cool must be a FF thing then
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tantek up next
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tantek Grant
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tantek got a fancy new domain
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tantek Grant.codes
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tantek setup transmat.io on it
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tantek the second installation of transmat!
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benwerd Nice
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@karthi4india POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/508642746509570048)
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tantek also built a contact page
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tantek grant.codes/contact
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tantek has links and text for various methods: email, twitter dm, facebook messenger, skype call
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tantek but not icons yet
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alanpearce £69/year for a .codes? :/
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tantek grant has implemented people focused communication UI on his site !
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tantek up next
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tantek Jeremy Keith (adactio)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: my demo is that https://adactio.com/ is now all https (twitter.com/_/status/508646448465186816)
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tantek showing that he got https working!
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tantek with redirects all of adactio.com URLs to https
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tantek however subdomains are still http (e.g. austin.adactio.com)
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tantek adactio has achieved /https Level 4!
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tantek demo 2
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tantek has wrapped his webaction links with the <indie-action> element
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@evanwolf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @glennjones: I found an HTML5 JS open source pedometer! @tommorris: so, Glenn Jones has been working on indie-fi… (twitter.com/_/status/508646794574589952)
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GWG Tell adactio what he's won, tantek.
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michel_v oh, transmat is interesting. I thought of doing the reverse, but I like that there is a twitter import
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tantek on both his permalinks and in-stream on his home page!
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GWG Sorry...that sounded like the end of a game show to me
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GWG I feel like there should be buzzers and lifetime supplies of Rice a Roni
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benwerd If anyone hasn't created their own website yet at IWC UK, you're very welcome to use this pre-release link: http://withknown.com/beta/?indiewebcampuk
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michel_v (the reverse being: have a webapp that fetches your social content from the silos and copies it all in your own silo)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @adactio: I now have support indie-actions on https://adactio.com/ and connect to bridgy (twitter.com/_/status/508647003837169665)
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tantek he also changed his webmention endpoint to be a relative URL
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kylewm indie-actions sounds huge
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tantek but Bridgy doesn't seem to discover that end point (he posted a new note, and no favorites etc came through)
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KevinMarks__ lost brighton
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tantek (the POSSE copy does have a favorite on twitter)
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KevinMarks__ back
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tantek up next
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tantek Shane Hudsen
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tantek yesterday he had no SSL
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tantek had no comments
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@cubicgarden RT @VanDerLubben: Don’t like Facebook owning and controlling your content? Use tools that support the open Web #indieweb http://t.co/SnUGY… (twitter.com/_/status/508647439310794752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ShaneHudson: I don't have much to demo, but I do have ssl working on my site and got an A grade (twitter.com/_/status/508647448927948800)
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tantek have not yet gotten comments showing, but has imported them from WordPress to Craft
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tantek wrote a script to do it
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@film_girl RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @ShaneHudson: I don't have much to demo, but I do have ssl working on my site and got an A grade (twitter.com/_/status/508647536304082946)
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GWG kylewm: I'm itching to play with this. I'm usually free right now, but today...
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tantek a bit crude, dealing with XML to CSV a few times
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tantek got his site to level A SSL
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tantek rather, an A rating
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tantek has gotten forward secrecy working
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tantek and thus is now /https level 5!
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tantek up next
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tantek Up next Nat
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tantek AKA icco
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tantek didn't get everything done
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@ShaneHudson RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @ShaneHudson: I don't have much to demo, but I do have ssl working on my site and got an A grade (twitter.com/_/status/508648035987894272)
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tantek but his goal was to rewrite everything
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tantek but he did get his blog running (his own software) in Go hosted on appengine
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tantek Appengine does SSL for free if you're ok with SNI
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tantek so now he has rating A-
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tantek on writing.natwelch.com
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @icco: my goal this weekend was to rewrite everything, but I did get my blog running in go on AppEngine (twitter.com/_/status/508648336099123201)
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tantek also redirect works from http to https
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tantek thus icco has also achieved /https Level 4!
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tantek right now using appengine default auth thing
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tantek using google account
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tantek eventually wants to use indieauth to auth into his site
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barnabywalters_ welcome mysterious fourth remote participant!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @icco: currently using appengine auth, but I want to switch to indieauth for this (twitter.com/_/status/508648640928174080)
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tantek up next
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tantek Tim Retout
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kylewm barnabywalters: that's me, not sure why my camera doesn't work
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tommorris s/selfdogfooding/selfcatfooding/
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tantek got pump.io running on his site and POSSEing to Twitter
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tantek his goal is to add all the indieweb support too
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tantek he's now off to catch a train
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barnabywalters_ kylewm: welcome!
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @icco: my goal this weekend was to rewrite everything, but I did get my blog running in go on AppEngine (twitter.com/_/status/508649271856758785)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @icco: currently using appengine auth, but I want to switch to indieauth for this (twitter.com/_/status/508649274327203840)
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barnabywalters_ kylewm: what browser? maybe try refreshing
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KevinMarks__ that was loud
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icco Round of applause for Tim who helped get at least six people get on SSL
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tantek and /https level 4+ at that
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tantek up next
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tantek Tom Morris
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kylewm barnabywalters: firefox -- linux and webcam just never quite work, nbd
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tantek shows current site
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tantek shows tommorris.org
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tantek got mf2py working an interactive test tool
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ShaneHudson Got A+ :D https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security_for_Apache_NGINX_and_Lighttpd.html
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tantek the python microformats2 parser
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tantek put in your URL
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tantek and get pretty-printed JSON
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tantek demo 1: got his CSS less suckiy, more responsive.
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tantek demo 2: got mf2py to pretty print JSON for URLs with microformats
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: my current site is not very responsive (twitter.com/_/status/508649838565552128)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: mf2py now has a way to quickly parse and generate microfromats 2 (twitter.com/_/status/508649927455428608)
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tantek demo 3: got tommorris.org to /https Level 4 with A- rating
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tantek not yet *.tommorris.org e.g. wiki.tommorris.org
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tantek next up
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tantek verbal demo
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tantek has tablet
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@ShaneHudson To everyone saying I need better CSS, my site is nowhere near finished :D But making it live means testing webmentions is easier :) (twitter.com/_/status/508650498379874305)
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KevinMarks__ I only got CSS when I needed it for fragmention highlighting
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aaronpk holy cow. 2700 bookmarks
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bret ahh did i miss all the dmeos?
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KevinMarks__ barnaby is now in australia?
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benwerd bret: still going on
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icco bret, they're ongoing
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ShaneHudson I've got an error with naming for adding new notes, broke it last week. Must fix that!
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tantek Kevin Beynon
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tantek using a tablet
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tantek showing kevinbeynon.com
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tantek no admin link at the home page
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tantek goes to his secret /admin/ URL
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tantek has an IndieAuth login screen
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tantek enters his own URL
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tommorris aral just helped me sort out forward secrecy on nginx
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tantek shows Twitter option
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tantek redirects to Twitter
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tantek comes back with message "Log-in Successful"
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bret im the black screen on talky
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tantek now goes back to the home page
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tantek which now has a visible link to admin
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tantek and log out
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tantek that's so that he can now bring the editing tool into the front end
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bret waves to aaronpk KevinMarks benwerd and kylewm through the black
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tantek so that he can do inline editing and post notes from his home page
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tommorris my SSL Labs has gone from A- to A.
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tantek awesome!
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alanpearce If you add HSTS, you'll get an automatic A+
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tommorris if you nginx, just add ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on;
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tantek up next
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tantek jkphl
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michel_v hmm, which ssl vendor would you recommend for personal use?
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alanpearce startssl is free
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tantek jkphl: his site was running SSL before
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tantek but had some flaws
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michel_v doesn't have to be free, even a cheap one would do; if free is hard and cheap is easy to use, for example
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tantek went from rating F to A+ on jkphl.is SSL support
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alanpearce Not hard at all
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aaronpk has a demo when UK people are done!
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michel_v alanpearce: thanks then, I'll use them for miche.lv
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tantek and so achieved /https Level 5 !
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinbeynon: I set up indieuth on my own site to log in as admin so I can end password sharing (twitter.com/_/status/508652120250130432)
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alanpearce In fact, they make it too easy to generate the cert insecurely (make sure you generate your own CSR—this is true with any provider)
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tantek 2nd thing
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shanehudson.net edited /https (-12) "Mistake I made, A+ has nothing to do with SNI" (view diff)
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tantek jkphl: fixed some flaws with his webmention implementation
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tantek thanks to feedback from snarfed
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tantek 3rd thing
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tantek implemented webactions
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tantek on permalinks
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rascul for how i got A+ with nginx http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rascul.io/ssl
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tantek at the bottom of the page
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bret rascul++
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @jkphl: I also got my site up on SSL, and fixed my webmention interop (twitter.com/_/status/508652395979886592)
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Loqi rascul has 14 karma
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tommorris aral: https://scotthelme.co.uk/setting-up-hsts-in-nginx/
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tommorris tommorris.org is now A+
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terminalpixel alanpearce: yeah .codes domains are a little more expensive
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alanpearce A little?
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alanpearce I have my .uk for ten years for the price of one year of .codes!
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alanpearce less than, even.
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KevinMarks__ not as bad as .luxury
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terminalpixel got it for $55
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tantek added <indie-action> markup around his default Twitter, G+, Facebook share links
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terminalpixel .rich is also the worse
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alanpearce Hmm, that's not quite so bad, but still a bit high for me
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tantek and his site works with barnabywalters web action hero toolkit!
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bret thanks for manning the video :)
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bret is everyone still hacking? or is this the final session>
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tantek___ we're doing demos. some folks are still hacking in the background :)
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KevinMarks__ this is demos, but a lot of ssl config going on still
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tantek up next
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tantek Chris Asteriou
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tantek digitalbliss.uk.com
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tantek is fairly new
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tantek and started with going through /IndieMark
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @digitalblissltd: my site http://digitalbliss.uk.com is fairly new so I'm going thtough IndieMark (twitter.com/_/status/508653660071395328)
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KevinMarks__ not really getting this - blank wall
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: we’re having technical difficulties
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barnabywalters_ should be sorted now
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tantek showing digitalbliss.uk.com
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tantek setup his domain
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tantek added h-entry on his page with entry
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tantek (clicked "play" link at top)
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benwerd Is anyone else saving a local copy of avatars from webmentions btw, rather than hotlinking? Just pushed that change and will improve on it today. Interested in other approaches.
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tantek then added h-card on the info at bottom of his home page
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snarfed adactio: bridgy does support relative webmention endpoints, but it caches wm endpoints per domain. so it may just take a while. or if you have different ones on different pages, that will confuse it.
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tantek benwerd - perhaps note as issue on /webmentions ?
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benwerd tantek - will do
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snarfed tommorris++ for https, nice work!
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Loqi tommorris has 43 karma
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barnabywalters_ benwerd: awesome! need to do that both for taproot and shrewdness
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tantek Chris added a notes section section
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tantek and used verification tools on indiewebify.me
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snarfed (tommorris: and it sounds like you made some progress on webmentions…?)
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tantek and was able to get to /IndieMark Level 2!
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tommorris snarfed: given some of the content I post on my site, user privacy has suddenly dawned on me as something to care about
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ShaneHudson barnabywalters: Could you give me a shrewdness account please?
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adactio snarfed: yeah, I figured it was a caching issue. Looks like it's all working again now (I'm not using a protocol-relative URL for the endpoint any more).
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 8/21 at 10:35am: As venue organizer for IndieWebCamp UK, what are capacity limitations? E.g. number of seats/chairs/spots in the "main" room. Both "comfortably" and "maximum" numbers appreciated!
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Loqi adactio: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 8/23 at 3:32pm: if you are still in Chicago by Wednesday evening, you should be our special celebrity guest attendee to the Homebrew Website Club! ;)
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barnabywalters_ up next: tantek
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Loqi adactio: aaronpk left you a message on 9/2 at 4:20pm: I would like to paypal you ££ to cover coffee and/or other food for IndieWebCamp UK! We should talk!
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bret i used one last night on t's site :)
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barnabywalters_ working on web actions, figuring out how to get them on the homepage stream
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barnabywalters_ didn’t manage that, did switch from <action> to new <indie-action> elements
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barnabywalters_ based on adactio’s suggestion
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barnabywalters_ noticed lots of people updating similar
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barnabywalters_ also did UI/UX analysis of in-stream action
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barnabywalters_ twitter: horribly inconsistent
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werd.io edited /webmention (+145) "/* 3rd party tracking exploits */" (view diff)
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michel_v is HSTS necessary for A+? I have a host that is already https only (it won't even listen on port 80), I wonder if it would be detected as such
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barnabywalters_ sometimes on the right with text, sometimes on the left with no text
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I've been working on indie actions too, and doing UI analysis on silos answers (twitter.com/_/status/508655273150382081)
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barnabywalters_ trend seems to be icon only, text distracts from the text content around it
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barnabywalters_ analysed them with aral, came to similar conclusions, now implementing it on his homepage
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alanpearce michel_v: It mentions that the grade is 'set to A+' when you use HSTS. So maybe it's possible without
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barnabywalters_ needs more code to get tweet syndication URLs (stored in a different place to posts), ran out of time
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alanpearce But why not listen on :80 and redirect anyway?
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bret ill do webactions on my site soon... promise
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bret once I handle webmentuins directly
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tantek next up
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tantek Aral
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tantek took his site from A- to A+
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bret woop woop!
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tantek forward secrecy
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tantek and HSTS
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tantek he's also updating his article to show how to get from A- to A+
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tantek thus aral achieved /https Level 5
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tantek took him only 2 lines of code to implement that change on nginx
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tantek a bit harder on Apache
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aral: I also got my site fully SSL+working with forward secrey (twitter.com/_/status/508656222082711552)
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alanpearce Gamification is a powerful thing…
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aaronpk can show bookmarks
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tommorris.org edited /https (+20) "tommorris.org now at lvl5 and A+" (view diff)
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tantek up next
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tantek Rosa
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barnabywalters_ aaronpk: I’ll mention it and plug in when IRL people are done
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tantek techfox.co.uk
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benwerd Can someone turn us towards the speaker?
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tantek wanted to make her own CMS
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tantek images and tags
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aaronpk barnabywalters_: thx
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barnabywalters_ benwerd: I can’t see our feed any more, let me know if that’s right
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benwerd A+ thanks
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benwerd ok a little to the left so we can also see the screen a bit more
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benwerd ;)
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benwerd sorry ;)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Rosaemerald: I wanted to make my own CMS, and have images and tags working (twitter.com/_/status/508656755023167488)
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barnabywalters_ benwerd: say when ;)
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KevinMarks__ focus
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barnabywalters_ oh crap
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barnabywalters_ better?
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benwerd I'm sorry for asking for movement :(
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Loqi lolz
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barnabywalters_ rosa’s demonstrating her local dev install of her new CMS
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barnabywalters_ UI for creating a new project
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barnabywalters_ implemented CRUD posting interface for projects
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barnabywalters_ using postgres to store data
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benwerd I ruined everything :(
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snarfed tommorris: good point! bridgy definitely only backfeeds fully public comments, on fully public posts, for that reason. https://www.brid.gy/about#missing
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barnabywalters_ argh still focus problems?
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aaronpk wish i had slightly better lighting
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tantek up next
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tantek aaronpk remote demo!
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/1152011 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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tantek added bookmarks to his site
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icco your audio is cutting in and out
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tantek for a long time he's been publishing bookmarks to another place
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tantek implemented aaronp.pk/bookmarks/
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/508656712870404097 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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kylewm snarfed:fyi, adactio's twitter isn't backfeeding because http://adactio.com/webmention.php is still in the memcached, and the correct endpoint has changed to https://
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I've been publishing bookmarks elsewhere and want to move back to my own site (twitter.com/_/status/508657986924208128)
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aral Just updated the notes on setting up nginx. Following the config there will get you an A+: https://aralbalkan.com/scribbles/setting-up-ssl-with-nginx-using-a-namecheap-essentialssl-wildcard-certificate-on-digitalocean/
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tommorris snarfed: not so much that, but with HTTPS if someone is listening in, they know that the reader is reading tommorris.org, but they don't know the path of the request
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, i figured. that cached value will disappear within an hr or two
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icco aral++
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Loqi aral has 1 karma
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snarfed tommorris: ah you were talking about https, not bridgy. sorry. true!
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tantek once he got the post type done
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bret aaronpk built his own pinboard neato
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tantek he did a mass import from the WordPress xml export
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aral @icco thanks :)
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tantek now his bookmarks are all marked up with microformats
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tantek each one is an h-entry
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tantek and embedded inside is an h-cite of the bookmark itself
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neuro` So, how did the hack day go?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: now I have http://aaronparecki.com/-bookmarks which I imported from wordpress and they're now all microformatted (twitter.com/_/status/508658326360846336)
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tantek that was the last thing aaronpk was using WordPress for
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: did you also have a demo you wanted to do? now is the time
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KevinMarks__ ok
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tantek so he's no longer using WordPress to publish his own content
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neuro` Congrats aaronpk!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: you can comment on my bookmarks now (twitter.com/_/status/508658490596798465)
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tantek this also means you can comment, bookmark, like his bookmarks
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tommorris snarfed: the fact that I write about LGBT related issues makes having HTTPS all the more important. I'm not sure I want to be responsible for some Iranian teenager getting imprisoned because of shit security.
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snarfed tommorris: absolutely!
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KevinMarks__ not sure share screen will work for me
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tantek up next!
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adactio snarfed: brid.gy posts to my webmention are failing and I can't figure out why. :-( https://www.brid.gy/twitter/adactio
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tantek KevinMarks
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aaronpk A+ audio from kevin!
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Loqi [mention] http://edumio.com/?p=4177 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (pingback)
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tantek he noticed that people are building h-feed readers
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tantek so he built a tool that takes legacy RSS Atom feeds
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bret yayay
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Loqi :D
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tantek and unmunges them and produces nice clean h-entry feeds
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KevinMarks__ feed.unmung.com
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benwerd KevinMarks__: this is awesome
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ShaneHudson That is great :)
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tantek e.g. if you put in xkcd.com/rss.xml into it
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tantek it will generate h-entry
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KevinMarks__ http://feeds.wnyc.org/onthemedia
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snarfed adactio: looks like bridgy is getting a 400 from your wm endpoint. it's still sending to the http endpoint, like kylewm said; maybe that's it? i'll clear that from the cache now.
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tantek which you can then subscribe to in shrewdness
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snarfed KevinMarks++ for bridging legacy feeds
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Loqi KevinMarks has 51 karma
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snarfed aaronpk++ for using wordpress xml export
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Loqi aaronpk has 557 karma
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tantek the point is, no one wants to parse RSS or Atom any more
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tantek so now just by simply parsing microformats JSON, you can get any RSS or Atom etc.
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benwerd So completely awesome.
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@schnarfed @jkphl @kyle_wm @IndieWebCampUK thanks joschi! happy IWCUK! (twitter.com/_/status/508659527131336704)
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kylewm KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 52 karma
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tantek unmung.com is a URL he bought ages ago, and set it up on appengine
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benwerd KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 53 karma
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tantek you can now subscribe to iTunes podcasts etc. in your indieweb reader!
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bret KevinMarks++
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Loqi too much karma!
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@jkphl @schnarfed Thanks for your reminder! I probably would've forgotten it ... ;) +@kyle_wm @IndieWebCampUK (twitter.com/_/status/508659685348868096)
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KevinMarks__ and I din't sleep yet :(
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alanpearce :(
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Loqi *sniff*
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alanpearce I want internet points!
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benwerd Whoa
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tantek___ alanpearce - add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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tantek___ so you can have a link and icon in the logs e.g. indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I built http://feed.unmung.com whihc takes legacy atom+rss feeds and makes microformats 2 hfeed pages (twitter.com/_/status/508659926479405059)
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alanpearce Ah, I was going to ask where the links came from.
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tantek___ up next
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tantek___ Robin Taylor
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: so you can now read xkcd: http://feed.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fxkcd.com%2Frss.xml and see it in shrewdness http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fxkcd.com%252Frss.xml (twitter.com/_/status/508660232911077376)
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@karthi4india Why can't you comment on this post? #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/why-cant-you-comment-on-this-post-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/508660309666848768)
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tantek showed that robintaylor.uk redirects to https
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tantek and that it gets an overall A rating on the SSL test site
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I also made it work with podcasts like @onthemedia to generate <audio> embeds like so http://feed.unmung.com/feed?feed=http://feeds.wnyc.org/onthemedia (twitter.com/_/status/508660434086293504)
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tantek thus up to /https level 4
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tantek planning on forward secrecy next week
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alanpearce.uk edited /IRC_People (+54) "Hello I am alanpearce" (view diff)
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tantek according to SSL test he has forward secrecy
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tantek so he's achieved /https level 5!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: unmung is running on appengine, the code is up at https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung (twitter.com/_/status/508660614404014081)
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shanehudson.net edited /https (+17) "Adding date" (view diff)
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@GBDataStream Why can't you comment on this post? #indieweb http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=62754 (twitter.com/_/status/508660915873808384)
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benwerd Already looking forward to Homebrew Website Club London in December.
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KevinMarks__ oops, I may have just made shrewdness crash it's elasticsearch
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alanpearce That's not hard, really.
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aaronpk just set up redirects for all old aaron.pk/bookmarks URLs!
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tantek off to camp cleanup!
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barnabywalters_ KevinMarks: back now, I think
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tantek thanks everyone!
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aaronpk congrats everyone!
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barnabywalters_ haven’t been able to successfully subscribe to unmung feeds, weirdly — will look into it
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KevinMarks__ benwerd: were you goign to share known?
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KevinMarks__ worked for me, I have a daring fireball sub
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barnabywalters_ turning remote feed off now, thanks for dropping in neuro` KevinMarks benwerd aaronpk kylewm!
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benwerd KevinMarks__: I decided I had nothing visible to show from my hacking - webmention security, transparent images, faster loading - so held back. Wish I'd been awake to show it at the beginning.
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benwerd BUT
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kylewm thanks for hosting us barnabywalters!
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benwerd Indiewebcampers, I would really really really like your feedback on two things:
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benwerd 1. Pre-release hosted beta: http://withknown.com/beta/?indiewebcamp
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GWG Yes?
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kylewm benwerd: where are the animated gif demos??
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KevinMarks__ (I assume that URL is not for tweeting)
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benwerd 2. Pre-release self-hosted installer: http://assets.withknown.com/releases/known-0.6-rc1.zip
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benwerd Correct
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benwerd But I'm ok with people finding it in the IRC logs
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KevinMarks__ :D
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KevinMarks__ treasure hunt
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benwerd Talky is now the worst Let It Be poster ever
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aaronpk turns back on his music
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benwerd So cool to be able to beam into IndieWebCamp halfway across the world. In the browser.
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bret yeah pretty neato
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bret aaronpk's audio was having some issues not sure why
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aaronpk oh darn
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aaronpk i shoulda put on a mic
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bret it was like really jittery
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk i even have a real mic here lol
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benwerd OK. Time to Sunday. Catch you later, IndieWebCamp.
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kylewm i feel like i'm missing something re indie-actions, did barnabywalters and voxpelli_ demo commenting without a browser extension?
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KevinMarks__ I think we need to see that this wednesday
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+450) "/* Creating Objects */ add example of creating a bookmark post" (view diff)
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aaronpk kylewm: yes, no extension required!
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@timretout This one time, at #indiewebcamp, I got my pump.io notes to send to Twitter, and fixed everyone's https problems. (twitter.com/_/status/508664755842994176)
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kylewm lol
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GWG It's over now?
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aaronpk yep
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GWG I'm suddenly envisioning a plugin that integrates the indie-action component into Wordpress.
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GWG I need pfefferle
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GWG This is his strength
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+80) "/* New Bookmark */ oops forgot to actually add the bookmark url" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /WordPress/Development (+344) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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GWG Just making a note of that
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@davidmead Tracking #indiewebcamp (http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/09/07/tracking-indiewebcamp/) (twitter.com/_/status/508670989723381760)
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voxpelli_ Regarding the indie-actions stuff, there's two parts wrapped up in that demo: "Indie Configuration" and a web component
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voxpelli_ They can be used independently but are probably most powerful when used together
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/508668054738595840 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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GWG voxpelli_: I'm excited about the implications and thinking how I could get it to work in Wordpress
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GWG Problem is, I'll have to completely redesign some things for this to work
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GWG I have a bunch of different pieces I need to juggle around.
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GWG Which means I want to talk to the two people I know who are invested in this.
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@jkphl .@IndieWebCampUK 2014 is over — and it was awesome! Thx for having me, and thx @adactio @t @tommorris for organizing! https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/508673441571299329/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508673441571299329)
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@kyle_wm #indieweb site notes: moved a lot of processing (interpreting comments, markdown, autolinking) out of the main loop… https://kylewm.com/note/2014/09/07/2/indieweb-site-notes-moved-a-lot-of (twitter.com/_/status/508674269115473920)
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@clayton_bush Free single from my new album! Check it out http://www.claytonbush.com #neednewmusic #indiewebcamp @JaxAcoustic @jaxbeachbuzz #grandparentsday (twitter.com/_/status/508676389923323905)
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@jaxbeachbuzz RT @clayton_bush: Free single from my new album! Check it out http://www.claytonbush.com #neednewmusic #indiewebcamp @JaxAcoustic @jaxbeachbuzz… (twitter.com/_/status/508676870616150016)
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@adactio RT @jkphl: .@IndieWebCampUK 2014 is over — and it was awesome! Thx for having me, and thx @adactio @t @tommorris for organizing! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/508677117014712321)
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@ShaneHudson RT @jkphl: .@IndieWebCampUK 2014 is over — and it was awesome! Thx for having me, and thx @adactio @t @tommorris for organizing! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/508677322799865857)
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@CourtneySayson RT @clayton_bush: Free single from my new album! Check it out http://www.claytonbush.com #neednewmusic #indiewebcamp @JaxAcoustic @jaxbeachbuzz… (twitter.com/_/status/508678539990663169)
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@t_silos Found First We Take Manhattan by Leonard Cohen with #Shazam. #indiewebcamp http://www.shazam.com/discover/track/271803 (twitter.com/_/status/508681617905577984)
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aaronpk oh this is pretty
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@t_silos Found First We Take Manhattan by Leonard Cohen @IndieWebCampUK #indieweb http://www.shazam.com/discover/track/271803 (twitter.com/_/status/508682060819877888)
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@domenicoperri RT @jkphl: .@IndieWebCampUK 2014 is over — and it was awesome! Thx for having me, and thx @adactio @t @tommorris for organizing! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/508682363828985856)
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@invispide RT @jkphl: .@IndieWebCampUK 2014 is over — and it was awesome! Thx for having me, and thx @adactio @t @tommorris for organizing! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/508682847251861504)
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GWG From Brighton on to Cambridge
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kylewm indieconfig stuff is officially over my head! look forward to hearing about it on wednesday :)
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rascul indieconfig?
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bret kylewm link?
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GWG kylewm: Now you know how I feel
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kylewm bret: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-config
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kylewm something about registering a custom protocol handler for the protocol web+indieconfig
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kylewm in combination with indie-actions
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bret shoud we start using http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com ?\
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kylewm let them comment on each other's sites with iframes
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aaronpk bret: yeah I think tantek just forgot about it
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GWG kylewm: I understand it conceptually
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+105) "/* New Bookmark */ add bookmark name" (view diff)
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bret kylewm this sounds pretty cool... like how a site can request your geolocation, browsers could request identity info, ie info on how you would like to handle actions
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bret isnt web componants / shadow dom stuff going to replace iframes?
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kylewm that sounds really promising!
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aaronpk the iframe is just for the technical bits, not UI
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GWG kylewm: That is what I've been wanting. Seamless integration because everything is handled behind the scenes.
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aaronpk ok this is sweet. now Quill has a bookmark posting interface, as well as a bookmarklet so you can quickly open the Quill UI to make a bookmark
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aaronpk going to hav eto record a screencast demo
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GWG aaronpk: Looking forward to it
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bret aaronpk++ where is the field?
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Loqi aaronpk has 558 karma
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aaronpk (not live yet)
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aaronpk abotu to push i think
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bret lol nice
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@toobdesign RT @aral: Re: Yesterday’s security session on SSL (https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-security): See my notes on setting up nginx: https://aralbalkan.com/scribbles/setting-up-ssl-with-nginx-using-a-namecheap-essentialssl-wildcard-certificate-on-digitalocean/ #i… (twitter.com/_/status/508691386615746560)
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@aral Post #indiewebcamp selfie. https://twitter.com/aral/status/508691459063951360/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508691459063951360)
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@voxpelli Heading home from #indiewebcamp, waiting for a delayed flight to Copenhagen at Gatwick. Let's hope 50 minutes is all it will be. (twitter.com/_/status/508691949768171520)
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GWG Why is Tantek in every single indieweb photo?
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GWG Is he really there, or when he isn't, they photoshop him i?
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KevinMarks He's the one who insists on a photo, so if he's not there less likely to take one
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@jkphl RT @aral: Post #indiewebcamp selfie. https://twitter.com/aral/status/508691459063951360/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/508697173278851072)
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GWG KevinMarks: I want to start photoshopping him into things.
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GWG Like the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
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GWG I'm being silly, I know
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@alpower 3 hour drive back from Brighton done. Inspired after @dconstruct and @IndieWebCampUK - so many great conversations and insights from both. (twitter.com/_/status/508700143068401665)
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@alpower Thanks to @tommorris @t and @adactio and all I met at @IndieWebCampUK over the last two days #indiewebcamp + @clearleft for the lovely venue (twitter.com/_/status/508700867563122688)
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@kevinbeynon Inspired and excited by my @indiewebcamp experience. Amazingly wonderful, generous and talented folk. Good luck with the @geekestlink quiz! (twitter.com/_/status/508700969908314113)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2014/09/07/1/indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@scott_gruber @millie some folks r building http://indiewebcamp.com to keep own content while still sharing out to the comm proprietary platforms. (twitter.com/_/status/508702348542500865)
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voxpelli_ kylewm: the protocol is actually just web+indie now, so need to update the notes/docs but had to hurry to the airport and got pretty bad internet here
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KartikPrabhu1 is catching up on IWC demos
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KartikPrabhu excited about barnabywalters' indie-action registering demo...
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I wish someone took a screencast
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fdevillamil Great insightful post here http://werd.io/2014/dont-keep-your-opinions-to-yourself
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Loqi fdevillamil: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 5 days ago: what is "((127.0.0.1:3000 mtLKir))" ?!? i.e. here: https://twitter.com/fdevillamil/status/359671340560691200
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fdevillamil tantek_: Oh, this is so embarassing. :( Indeed testing on localhost pushed a localhost link.
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voxpelli_ KartikPrabhu: GWG: some related indie-config code: https://gist.github.com/voxpelli/e64db6931a951b2d5181
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GWG I bookmarked it earlier, voxpelli_
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voxpelli_ Great!
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GWG I was going to talk to acegiak and pfefferle, who do Wordpress stuff, about planning out some integrations.
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voxpelli_ And the consumer code is up on my site
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voxpelli_ Now boarding
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GWG voxpelli_: What airline?
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aaronpk bret: GWG: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/07/1/indieweb-bookmarks
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aaronpk it's live on quill.p3k.io and on my site!
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bnvk aaronpk: you are a beast when it comes pushing out cool code & things!
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aaronpk aw thanks
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aaronpk it kind of comes in bursts
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rascul beast mode
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@kevinbeynon Implemented #IndieAuth on my site. Next step is creating Notes and POSSE them to Twitter. #AllInspiredAndShit - http://kevinbeynon.com (twitter.com/_/status/508709516738043905)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: if there is a quote then the bookmark could be a fragmention!
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KartikPrabhu bookmark-url I mean
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aaronpk this is true
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aaronpk I think I am done with bookmarks for now
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aaronpk I will revisit the fragmention thing later when I can put more thought into it
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moiz.ca created /User:Moiz.ca (+254) "Created page with "==About Me== âš’ UX Designer for [http://wikimediafoundation.org Wikimedia Foundation] + [http://www.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia]. Made [http://howwrongyouare.org How Wrong You Are]..."" (view diff)
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@Becca_Steadman RT @kevinbeynon: Implemented #IndieAuth on my site. Next step is creating Notes and POSSE them to Twitter. #AllInspiredAndShit - http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/508712967324860416)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes fair enough. I should start posting bookmarks and using this new shiny Quill feature :)
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neuro` KartikPrabhu which indieweb tool are you using?
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: you mean my backend?
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: yes. Wordpress, known, something else?
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KartikPrabhu custom. It is called Bundle
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KartikPrabhu what is Bundle?
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Loqi Bundle is a set publishing tools for the Indieweb built using Python and Django http://indiewebcamp.com/Bundle
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neuro` I was about to ask for a link, thank you :)
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: the code isn't open yet. Have been working on that
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: would be cool, and I'm sure you'd get some help to improve it / fix bugs
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: yes possibly. but it has turned out to be quite annoying to make Python packages in some sane way
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: I know what you mean, I curse at Pypi about 20 times a day, I ended piping the output of pip freeze into fpm (https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm) to avoid using it
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neuro` So I turn every native Python package into a Debian package. No more surprise.
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: I'm not even at the pypi stage. I am unable set github repos as dependencies for setup.py . very annoyign
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/415643 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: move deps into requirements.txt it will be much easier and works like a charm with git http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14399534/how-can-i-reference-requirements-txt-for-the-install-requires-kwarg-in-setuptool .
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@kevinbeynon The people I met at @indiewebcamp are the A-Team of the Internet. Give them some tape and an oxy-acetalyne torch and they'll fix the web. (twitter.com/_/status/508714996197756928)
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: that does not really work. for setup.py you have to give it a dependency_links parameter which needs exact version numbers and so on
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dudly hi
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KartikPrabhu i mean a github path with exact version number in the URL
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KartikPrabhu hi dudly
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GWG Greetings dudly
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neuro` Oh. Didn't know that. I leave the dev picking up the requirements, then build and deploy the packages.
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: yes that is what I'm leaning towards. Clone repo -- use requirements.txt to install and so on
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KartikPrabhu i don't intend for normal people to use my system anyway
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neuro` I once thought I'd be able to get "normal people" to use my system. How stupid of me.
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@tommorris @hardaway Seems like a fairly good reason for #indieweb. 😉 (twitter.com/_/status/508717000349478912)
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: unless you have one-click install and one-click everything, that is not going to happen :P
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Normal is relative
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: we had. For a while, we even tried to clone Wordpress, without the cash and the community. That was stupid. So we (4 people) focused on what we know best: ourselves.
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KartikPrabhu when you have web people themselves saying "indieweb is too much work" then I am pretty certain about "normal"
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I would like to lower the bar though. I just don't think it needs to be lowered to the floor, so to speak
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: I have a draft about how Indieweb is a first world (in terms of cognitive capacities and access to information) thing.
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neuro` Definitely agree with you on that one, we have a tremendous work to accomplish.
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: I would debate that. So I await your post :)
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neuro` That's why self dogfooding is so important.
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GWG neuro`: But to what degree?
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neuro` Before telling other people what to do, we must do it, show it's possible, and show it's better.
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neuro` GWG: knowing what a domain name is, first? That's already being tech savvy.
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kylewm neuro`: you mean cognitive surplus not cognitive capacity, right?
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neuro` kylewm: yes, thank you, I'm not a native English speaker.
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GWG neuro`: I was thinking more some of the programming stuff, not the higher level functionality.
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neuro` GWG: that too.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: not sure the common user cares about the programming stuff anyway
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neuro` GWG: let's start with the highest level part of it. Try explaining normal people domain name is like their postal address, then tell them the difference with their email address
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neuro` GWG: then tell them about hosting, just for fun
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neuro` Then content publishing tool, etc...
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neuro` Today, "normal people" use google instead of typing a URL
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neuro` Speaking about it, a perfectly normal people is telling me it's time to sleep. Have a good night.
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Loqi laila tov!
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neuro` Loqi: I love you too.
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Loqi kisses neuro`
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GWG I'm thinking...user would like webmentions. User would implement them. User might not want to program them, just install them
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GWG What would you say is the technical term to differentiate one who programs a service to one who installs/configures it?
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@fsteeg RT @stilkov: This: “POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere” http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/508720383118557184)
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kylewm GWG: yeah I tend to think it's not useful to jump directly to people who don't know what a URL is
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kylewm lots of people who are not professional developers or sysadmins who can follow a non-trivial install procedure
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GWG kylewm: I agree with that. I'm thinking 'enthusiasts'.
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GWG I wouldn't ask my mother to get involved, for example.
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tommorris for a lot people the distinctions between domain, website and web host are tough, just as for a lot of people the distinctions between internet, browser and search engine are tough.
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bnvk absolutely agree
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: exactly!
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GWG My 'favorite' are people who just go to google and type in indiewebcamp.com instead of typing in the URL
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bnvk whoa, when did Loqi start doing PDA?
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Loqi is done
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GWG For them, Google is the web
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tommorris snuggles Loqi
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tommorris wonders if Loqi is gendered.
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aaronpk it's debatable
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bnvk and still for some, they use Facebook the same way- if a Facebook for a band, artist, author, store, etc... doesn't exist, they rarely ever leave Facebook
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tommorris back in the day, a lot of people wouldn't touch bands that didn't do MySpace.
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GWG tommorris: Loqi is like Thor. Can be male or female
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bnvk I remember those days, and whenver I came across a band with their own site I felt- whoa, musician + web ppl = awesome!!!
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bnvk GWG: apparently norse gods were far more androgenous than greek ones
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tommorris also the very "to snuggle" is not necessarily a sign of affection. Snuggle is the name of a tool that Wikipedia uses to help admins and experienced users monitor newbs. ;-)
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kylewm Tiresias was bigendered
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bnvk tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 44 karma
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KevinMarks_ Re "normal people" and indieweb, I think known has promise there
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tommorris has to deploy again to fix some SSL-related issues before he can publish a post about SSL.
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GWG I need to update to a better certificate for my site.
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KevinMarks_ Did you see benwerds hosted known link?
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_: yes. tools like Known are exactly what is needed in that domain. Making it easier to install and use indieweb tools
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KevinMarks_ Try http://withknown.com/beta/?indiewebcampuk for the hosted and tell me/erin/Ben about anything that felt weird
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KevinMarks_ Better, try it on friends and see where they are confused
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KevinMarks_ Was very interesting watching Andrew set it up
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tommorris wrote a thing about SSL: https://tommorris.org/posts/9089
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KevinMarks_ He was really wary of connecting it to Facebook in case it posted something unexpected
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KartikPrabhu FB invokes so much fear!
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KevinMarks_ That page is just too wide for my phone, and I can zoom it tommorris
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tommorris KevinMarks_: fixing my mobile CSS and generally not sucking at front-end stuff is on the to-do.
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KevinMarks_ Don't turn off zooming
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KevinMarks_ Weird, if I rotate it gets wider than the screen again. Did you do width=105%?
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KevinMarks_ World in chrome, it's Firefox android that fits wrong
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@brennannovak @tommorris yay, i'm glad the #indieweb is gettin more secure :) (twitter.com/_/status/508727324683272192)
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KevinMarks_ s/rld/rks/
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: Works in chrome, it's Firefox android that fits wrong
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tommorris KevinMarks_: I need to borrow an Android device and fix it. ;-)
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: confirmed weird width on FF Android, not on Chrome Android or FF Ubuntu desktop at small browser widths
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KevinMarks_ If it is only Firefox, might be worth asking Tantek if it's their bug
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KartikPrabhu now check his own site
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KevinMarks_ Hm, feed.unmung.com is a handy way to read sites like techcrunch.com too
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KevinMarks_ I need to get feedfinder working
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KevinMarks_ Python dependencies are annoying after using node
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GWG Testing unmung
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KevinMarks_ Feed finder needs request and beautiful soup. I was too tired to get those hosted at 9am after being up all night
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KartikPrabhu what is feedfinder?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "feedfinder" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=feedfinder
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KartikPrabhu ok found
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KevinMarks_ It's the "given a Web page, get it's feeds" tool
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/508567952527212545/11231232 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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@kevinmarks @melissagira come join the #indieweb, we're bringing this back (twitter.com/_/status/508732545454702592)
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@kevinmarks Sounds like @inessential wants webmentions for his blog posts http://inessential.com/2014/09/05/blogs_are_cool #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/508733989633273856)
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ShaneHudson Oops. Got a load of webmentions today but didn't edit the plugin, so none of them relate to the actual post!
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bnvk g'night everyone
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adactio_ testing out the ?beta irc interface
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ShaneHudson adactio_ Seemed to work :) Where did you come in the quiz?
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tommorris adactio_: if you find an orange fitbit in the clearleft office, it's mine. can you put it in a small jiffy bag and send it to me? ;-)
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tommorris tests his SSL config some more
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tommorris I believe I may have set up SSL2, so I'm hoping to get 100% on protocol support.
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ShaneHudson Didn't even know there was an SSL2!
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rascul yeah there's also ssl3
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rascul shouldn't need 2 though and 3 is only needed for older clients
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tommorris security is hard, let's go shopping
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rascul tommorris nginx?
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tommorris rascul: yep
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tommorris I managed to drop my SSL Labs rating from A+ to B through my own incompetence. ;-)
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rascul might have something interesting for you here http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rascul.io/ssl
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rascul looks like you're a+ right now
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tommorris I reverted my own dumbness
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rascul ahh
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tommorris rascul: how do you test SPDY?
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rascul qualys lists near the bottom, Next Protocol Negotiation Yes spdy/3.1 http/1.1
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rascul i don't really know what next protocol negotiation means though heh
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rascul there's http://spdycheck.org
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tommorris yep, that's what I'm testing
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tommorris I had to turn off spdy in config as Restarting nginx: nginx: [emerg] the "spdy" parameter requires ngx_http_spdy_module in /opt/nginx/conf/nginx.conf:39
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GWG tommorris, you need to compile it
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tommorris yep. it's too late and I'm too tired and drunk to recompile nginx
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GWG Drunk compiling is dangerous.
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ShaneHudson I get "Missing NPN Extension in SSL/TLS Handshake"
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ShaneHudson Will see if I can fix without recompiling apache :P The drink + train might cause a problem there too lol
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KevinMarks Drunk compiling is OK, drunk deployment is dangerous
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ShaneHudson :p
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ShaneHudson Yeah later in the week I am going to need to install mod_spdy with npn
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ShaneHudson If anyone has done that with apache, please give me a shout :)
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ShaneHudson Realised the webmentions I got that had no relation to post were when I tweeted (not posse) a link to my site, bridgy fetched them all
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pdurbin KevinMarks: take away the api keys
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KevinMarks__ indiewebcamp UK demos notes up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20140907.html
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KevinMarks__ I have fieed some typos due to tiredness, but I'm sure I missed a lot of things - corrections welcome
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@kevinmarks My notes on the @IndieWebCampUK Demos earlier today: http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampUK20140907.html - corrections and improvements welcomed: https://github.com/login?return_to=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkevinmarks%2Fkevin-marks.com%2Fedit%2Fmaster%2Fweb%2FindiewebcampUK20140907.html (twitter.com/_/status/508765946140299264)