#indiewebcamp 2014-09-08

2014-09-08 UTC
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/jgarber/508625212733001729/16168410 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=webactions&action=history (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/2435188400 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/578994870 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/508573119213473793/18299065 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (webmention)
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aaronpk i'm trying to update my SSL, but having problems. I'm wondering if it's because of an old version of nginx
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GWG aaronpk: What is the problem?
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aaronpk i still have an F because it supports ssl 2
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aaronpk i've copied the ssl_protocols and ciphers lines from the wiki
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rascul where do you have ssl_protocols defined?
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aaronpk in the vhost
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rascul check also if you have it defined in the http block
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rascul i put it in the http block and only the host specific stuff in the server blocks
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aaronpk hm not in the http block
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rascul i was curious if maybe you have it defined twice
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aaronpk yeah makes sense
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GWG Well, what I do is create divide my nginx configuration into individual files.
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rascul aaronpk did you remember to restart nginx?
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aaronpk reloaded, didnt restart
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rascul ok
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aaronpk it picked up the new cert, shaaaaaaa is happy now
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aaronpk oh crap now its an "almost" https://shaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/check/aaronparecki.com
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rascul aaronpk could you post your nginx config somewhere that i might look at it? maybe i can see something that looks funny
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aaronpk sure!
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aaronpk https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/beb264839e19995713de
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rascul looks
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aaronpk ok *now* shaaaaaaaaa.....com is happy
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rascul it all looks fine there
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rascul must be something fishy going on
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aaronpk maybe my openssl is too old
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rascul grep -iR sslv2 /nginx/config/directory
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rascul see if anything pops up
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aaronpk i apparently have sslv2 set on some other domains
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rascul ahh
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rascul maybe that's causing it to act weird
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rascul did you get that ssl stuff from /nginx ?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i'm gonna take it out of the rest of the vhosts
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rascul this one is a bit better, i'll get around to putting it in /nginx sooner or later http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rascul.io/ssl
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rascul the cipher list i mean is probably better, but you might find some other stuff that's not yet mentioned in /nginx
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aaronpk i do like the idea of putting all that in the http block
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rascul i did it like that because that stuff won't change per host
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aaronpk yeah
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rascul took me and ssllabs.com awhile to get that cipher list right, every client is supported by the best available cipher
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rascul if you use sni that cipher list can be trimmed down a little more to drop support for clients that can't do sni, but i haven't bothered to do that yet
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk yeah I do use SNI
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rascul i gotta go to bed, hopefully you can get your ssl stuff worked out
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aaronpk thanks!
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aaronpk didnt work. oh well. willprobably put it off until i move servers.
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aaronpk now i'm really tempted to set up an elasticsearch instance to index all posts coming into and out of my site
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aaronpk barnabywalters: I may ping you about that later. it's not super itchy yet but i've been noodling on it
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@benwerd Also: completely inspired by the #indieweb community, as always. Passionate people working for a better web. Learn .. http://werd.io/2014/also-completely-inspired-by-the-indieweb-community-as-always-passionate (twitter.com/_/status/508822290390216704)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/also-completely-inspired-by-the-indieweb-community-as-always-passionate linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.matthewgraybosch.com/2014/09/07/changes/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/microformats (webmention)
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mko aaronpk: I've got a Redis search index for all incoming/outgoing posts right now. It works really well. ES might be a good fit, but Redis is super responsive (assuming your server can handle holding the index in memory).
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Loqi [mention] http://matthewgrayboschnovelist.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/a-few-changes/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/microformats (pingback)
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aaronpk interesting! I do already use redis
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aaronpk i hadn't heard of redis being used to generic search before
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aaronpk what are the commands you'd use for using it as a search index?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "the commands you'd use for using it as a search index" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+commands+you%27d+use+for+using+it+as+a+search+index
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aaronpk ok well that was fun. knocked off another item on my todo list. now I can add tags to existing posts using a very similar interface to wordpress
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@schnarfed @elkos hey, sorry you had trouble with bridgy! i'll look into it. for self-hosted WP though, i'd recommend http://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ instead. (twitter.com/_/status/508835166341451776)
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@theindieweb Thank you to all the folks working on the #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/508843783472308224)
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neuro` Good morning.
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tommorris note to self: drunken sysadminning is a bad idea
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neuro` tommorris: did you fsck /home?
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tommorris no, I just buggered up nginx.conf, then restarted. I undid my changes and then had to start it again
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neuro` Feel lucky :) In 2001, I had sent the whole night upgrading a parc of OpenBSD machines. At 7AM, I finally had downloaded the just released Slackware 9, launched the upgrade on my workstation, told the installer to format my home and leave / untouched.
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KevinMarks Hm, the scoo
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KevinMarks Scottish independence hashtag is #indyref
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KevinMarks I wonder if we'll get more #indyweb
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@badgermind @jkphl good to meet you over the weekend at #indiewebcamp @IndieWebCampUK - and safe journey home! (twitter.com/_/status/508871926350356481)
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GWG petermolnar: Good morning. See you editing there.
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petermolnar hey, good morning
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GWG I was just looking at your website last night
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GWG petermolnar, I'm working on a different syndication plugin. I know you contributed to the other one.
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petermolnar I have not contributed to snap, I've started an entirely different one, but so far it's doing nothing, just implemented some ui & some hooks to the keyring plugin
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petermolnar I'd be happy to contribute to a new one
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petermolnar so far, I only made a the UI calls and the basic code layout for the one I started and then dumped due to tonnes of other things in my life: https://github.com/petermolnar/posse
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tommorris petermolnar: what's snap?
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petermolnar tommorris: Social Networks Auto Poster >> http://www.nextscripts.com/social-networks-auto-poster-for-wordpress/
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tommorris Ah okay
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tommorris I'd like to point out that anyone who enables HTTPS gets to use this GIF. http://33.media.tumblr.com/e1e43921923536fff17182f975f8a744/tumblr_n5oa2uGBAI1ryfrfko1_500.gif
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petermolnar yea', com' o'
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petermolnar by the way, how did Sunday go at the indieweb uk? I'm sorry I had to leave, I hope there are many more https sites out there than it was before :)
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@twixmit webactions - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (twitter.com/_/status/508947917730639873)
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ShaneHudson petermolnar: Yeah there are, loads of us got to A+ :)
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for this week's Homebrew Website Club and add it to the wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@tipu_majed Already excited about the personal-site demos I have heard will be shown @IndieWebCampUK. #selfdogfood #showbeforetell () (twitter.com/_/status/508960923449851905)
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@tipu_majed Own your data. Create and share open web technologies, and empower users to own their own identities & content on the indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/508961322542071808)
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michel_v w 38
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michel_v oops, sorry
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ben_thatmustbeme Hello #IWC
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/507927192039206912/21552837 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (webmention)
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jonnybarnes hello everyone
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 6 minutes ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for this week's Homebrew Website Club and add it to the wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club
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jonnybarnes how was IWC-UK?
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ben_thatmustbeme seemed pretty good from the portion of it i got to participate in
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ben_thatmustbeme i missed the beginning when people were showing off their own sites. I heard shrewdness got shown off though
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annevk tantek_: tantek___: http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/124
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annevk (is that going to work?)
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neuro` Good afternoon.
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ben_thatmustbeme hey neuro`
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ben_thatmustbeme hey annevk
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annevk hi hi
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neuro` hi ben_thatmustbeyou
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, what are you two up to today?
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Loqi rofl
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neuro` Back to work, debugging stuff. You?
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annevk breaking the web
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ben_thatmustbeme supposedly doing actual work. but... looking in to adding syndication links to my site
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ben_thatmustbeme as well as looking at what the hell webactions are
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ben_thatmustbeme breaking the web how annevk?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm indieauth.com doesn't list anything about post= in the documentation for developers
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ben_thatmustbeme i also saw state=0 in the get fields from one site. don't know what that does
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: the state parameter is just passed through. it's from OAuth 2
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aaronpk also not sure what you mean by post=
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Loqi [mention] http://www.hecavanagh.org/journal/2014/09/weeknotes-070914 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (pingback)
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tantek looks like @tipu_majed is a spammer - those two tweets are copies.
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tantek annevk that's pretty messed up
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tantek annevk thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to push pretty strongly to have W3C reference external specs (rather than incorporate). WHATWG is a good example. I plan on pushing for that with #microformats and #indiewebcamp specs too.
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ShaneHudson Fixed my redirect, gone to without www (like it used to be) :)
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tantek nice
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alanpearce Yay, another non-www -er :)
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Loqi yay!
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@brennannovak @JohnMetta kinda, it's based on my https://social-igniter.com/ PHP app + #IndieWeb modules. I've heard good things about @TryGhost (twitter.com/_/status/509034601126576128)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, sorry brain fart, i meant to say scope=
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ben_thatmustbeme i want to make a mircopub posting page like http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new/ but that means i need to request scope=post. But I don't want to always ask for post access, so I'll have to do some sort of asking for elevating privileges, which could be pretty cool
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ben_thatmustbeme but i don't really know if i have post access or not do I?
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bret are people going t xoxo again this year?
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KevinMarks_ I am
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bret is already sold out?
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bret wonder if I can sneak in ;)
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gRegor` bret: Pretty sure it sold out quickly, yeah
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bret gRegor`: you going?
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gRegor` No. I'd love to but $$. Maybe if they do it next year
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bret if people are around, we should totally have a mini iwc/hwc
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gRegor` Shane Becker is going, I believe
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bret gRegor`: totally, same boat
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gRegor` I think tantek is going, too
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bret tantek: you going to xoxo?
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tantek yes!
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tantek we should organize some indieweb breakfasts like last year! cc: aaronpk
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bret mini iwc/hwc around xoxo in pdx?
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Loqi yea!
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bret oh yeah, that would be cool
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tantek not sure we can do more than breakfast
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tantek the days/nights are pretty solidly booked
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tantek with xoxo things
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KevinMarks_ https://www.facebook.com/events/700889809991311/
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bret need facebook to see that
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KevinMarks_ need an indie mirror
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bret heh just had that same idea
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gRegor` "The content is curreently unavailable" KevinMarks_
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KevinMarks_ it's a YxYY+XOXO Breakfaston friday
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KevinMarks_ so maybe we should do indieweb breakfast saturday?
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KevinMarks_ venue suggestions?
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KevinMarks_ conf doesn't start until 10:30 sat so that works
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bret somewhere without a line
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bret since yall are on a schedule
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KevinMarks_ I get in early on Thursday so could come hang out then
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KevinMarks_ somewhere near The Redd?
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bret is there a nice lobby?
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bret not that familiar with that part of town
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bret lots of neat places around there though
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tantek !tell aaronpk any ideas for an indieweb breakfast for Saturday morning and/or Sunday morning close to the conference venue? and perhaps an Indie Event for that too?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks_ pick one?
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bret meat cheese bread is pretty cool
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bret ack my parents are in town on thursday tho, so i'll be with them
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bret "meat cheese bread"... right next to "beer"
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KevinMarks_ Zell's?
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bret thats where we did breakfast last year iirc
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KevinMarks_ that was a foursquare search
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KevinMarks_ if meat cheese bread is better, lets go there
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bret i just realized i can't meet thursday is the thing (parents in town)
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KevinMarks_ I'm tlaking sat am
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KevinMarks_ I'll post an indieevent
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bret oh
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bret is mcb open for breakfast? that was an evening sugestion
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KevinMarks_ opens at 7am, has a brunch menu
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KevinMarks_ does it have decent seating?
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KevinMarks_ *group seating
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bret i'm not actually sure. only have been there in the evenings outside
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bret maybe wait till aaronpk's input. he knows pdx a bit better than me
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bret KevinMarks_: were you at xoxo last year?
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KevinMarks_ http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast
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KevinMarks_ yes
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KevinMarks_ and the year before
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aaronpk waves
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 13 minutes ago: any ideas for an indieweb breakfast for Saturday morning and/or Sunday morning close to the conference venue? and perhaps an Indie Event for that too?
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aaronpk I haven't been to meat cheese bread yet
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aaronpk Zell's is good but it'll be super packed saturday morning and they'll want to rush us through
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aaronpk pdx weekend brunch in sunny weather is kind of insane
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bret does known support "maybe" rvps?
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bret rsvps*
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ben_thatmustbeme oh and aaronpk, i meant scope= isn't mentioned anywhere on indieauth.com/developers
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bret ben_thatmustbeme: its an oauth thing
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bret I think
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KevinMarks_ yes it does
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KevinMarks_ meat cheese bread looks like tiny tables inside, some street space
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bret http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast yay for working teh
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Loqi yay!
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bret tech*
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aaronpk how would ppl feel about 8:30 breakfast to make sure to leave enough time for registration at xoxo?
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aaronpk actually meat cheese bread is probably a good call
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KevinMarks_ OK
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aaronpk it's open early enough and appears to be order-at-the-counter style which is good for adhoc groups of unknown numbers of people
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KevinMarks_ will amend
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KevinMarks_ lots of space outside
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KevinMarks_ http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast updated
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KevinMarks_ good bench style tbales outside so as long as it's nto raining too hard'
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aaronpk looks like the weather forecast is like 80-90 this weekend
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KevinMarks_ wow
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KevinMarks_ nice
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aaronpk yeah 90 on saturday
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aaronpk portland has been insane the last couple months
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bret hot cold hot col
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aaronpk mostly just hot
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aaronpk very little rain
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bret except when it dumped super hard for like 10 mins when I was outside in it
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk lol portland
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gRegor` Chicago has had the reverse. It's been super mild until the last couple weeks when real summer decided to visit.
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gRegor` But it's back in the 70s last couple days
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bret chicago summers are magic
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KevinMarks_ in Sna Jose can't really compain about the weather
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KevinMarks_ it took me a while after moving here to realrie that saying "lovely day today" to people id like saying "gravity is still working"
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bret hah
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bret KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 54 karma
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KartikPrabhu morning computer!
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aaronpk dietrich: are you hosting homebrew website club this week?
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aaronpk I saw you changed the venue a couple weeks ago to mozpdx!
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dietrich aaronpk: yap, tantek asked if we could host for this one and the next one
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aaronpk oh great ok!
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aaronpk makes it easy for me
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aaronpk heh double rsvp http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/08/1/
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PMurphs http://goo.gl/XyWBZW
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: kylewm: can I not reply with a photo through bridgy publish?
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KartikPrabhu example: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/crispy-salmon
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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kylewm` KartikPrabhu: it looks like replies and photos are orthogonal in activitystreams-unoffic. file a bug?
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@jkphl Finally back home again! Thx @reasonsto @dconstruct @IndieWebCampUK for a fantastic week in #Brighton — great fun I had! To be repeated ... (twitter.com/_/status/509082380372815874)
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, fairly certain i'm confusing auth code and token again. trying to figure out how to make a micropub page work
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ben_thatmustbeme so i'm using indieauth for login, asking for scope=post
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aaronpk an auth code is used to obtain an access token
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, right now i send them over to indieauth.com/auth. they get validated, and it redirects them to my page/login with code=blahblahblah then i verify that the code is good by connecting back to indieauth. where to i get the token from there?
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aaronpk you need a token endpoint
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aaronpk something that your micropub endpoint knows about
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh, okay
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aaronpk it can be part of your website, or you can use https://tokens.indieauth.com
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aaronpk the token endpoint is going to be the thing that ends up verifying the auth code
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ben_thatmustbeme but to have others use this, i want to check their site for a token endpoint
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk you're making a micropub client?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah for my page. starting out like http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new/
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ben_thatmustbeme but allow anyone to use it
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ben_thatmustbeme as others do
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aaronpk ah right ok
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aaronpk check out this as a reference if you want https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/blob/master/controllers/auth.php#L73
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aaronpk it uses a helper library to do all the discovery of the endpoints, but should be readable
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm wondering if i should just have a seperate login for this. I don't see it as nice to have the login always ask for post scope unless they actually want to do that
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aaronpk that is definitely a good idea
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm using indieauth-client-php for endpoint discovery already
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aaronpk oh good then you can follow the Quill code
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ben_thatmustbeme oh yeah
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: do you know a line number or something for that. I can file a bug
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ben_thatmustbeme so have i been doing this all wrong then. for just simple login, is it fine to just always post to indieauth.com/auth? but now for this login because I will need a token i have to go to their site and find their auth provider (or i'll never get a token)
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aaronpk for simple login you can also find their auth endpoint if they have one
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aaronpk or you can just let indieauth.com do all the work (pending my finishing indieauth.com doing the discovery of the person's auth endpoint)
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ben_thatmustbeme i could, but didn't know if it was really worth it. I'll implement it now anyway, but didn't know if it would really gain me anything
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aaronpk it will make cweiske happy :)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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ben_thatmustbeme okay then.
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll have some work to do tomorrow :P
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed, kylewm: reply with photo bug filed: https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/issues/22
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jonnybarnes when you get a bug in one of your dependencies and you can't work out how to fix it :(
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KevinMarks_ hate that. that's what's stopping me getting noterlive back up
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aaronpk oh sad
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KevinMarks_ heroku fails, but I can run ti locally, and I need to spend a while talking to them
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KevinMarks_ and I haven't done it
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KartikPrabhu uhh Twitter photo upload works on Chrome not Firefox :|
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bret :[
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bret KevinMarks, a node version issue?
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bret also heroku logs --tail
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ShaneHudson Turns out every post for which I imported a comment, I somehow deleted the post. So manually adding the posts back :( luckily not too many!
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tantek ouch!
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ShaneHudson Ironically it included the one about not deleting content (https://shanehudson.net/2013/09/19/stop-deleting-content/) lol
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ShaneHudson Urgently need to style the comments too
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kylewm` tantek: i was reading over your Markdown wiki page, particularly http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/59905776/Markdown#Blocksofcodereasoning ... are you familiar with how they do code blocks in Github-flavored MD?
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kylewm` fenced before and after with ```
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kylewm` and you can optionally name the language after the first one ```python
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ShaneHudson I like that style, can't stand the idention of some implementations