#indiewebcamp 2014-09-14

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@kevinmarks
#xoxo @gruber: I hoped that each writer, under their own name, with their own site could work, but it hasn't really happened #indieweb
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@t
#xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66)
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@absalomedia
RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66)
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@JasonSimanek
RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66)
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@airbornesurfer
Thinking about building my own web server & joining the #IndieWeb movement. I've been against this crap since the days of AOL!
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kylewm
ha! I went to elementary school with him^
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GWG
kylewm: Oh?
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ben_thatmust__
quiet night
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ben_thatmust__
guess its all the xoxo or whatever
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ben_thatmust__
east coasters get a lot of nothing
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kylewm
that's only tantek, aaronpk, and kevinmarks though, i think
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techlifeweb
Woot! I think I fixed my WP webmention timezone issue.
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tantek
is still working on writing up the IndieWebCampUK demos as a blog post. So much to absorb in-person @xoxo.
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@b3gl
RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66)
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@_n
RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66)
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GWG
Hmm...
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@encycl
Deleted my @instagram account. I'll be moving all the images to my https://parlementum.net/ site. #privacy #ownyourdata
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GWG
Hello, snarfed
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snarfed
hi GWG
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GWG
What's going on?
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acegiak
Added a search function to whisperfollow!
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acegiak
really neat
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GWG
acegiak: Hi.
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acegiak
makes it good for doing things like podcast aggregation
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acegiak
hallo!
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GWG
acegiak: Is there a demo of whisperfollow?
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GWG
I haven't seen what your implementation looks like.
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GWG
Screenshot?
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acegiak
I should do a screencast or something yeah
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Loqi
it is probable
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GWG
acegiak: I'm very curious about it.
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GWG
I use tt-rss for that
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acegiak
yeah I'll do a screencast later today then
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GWG
acegiak: I keep forgetting the time difference
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acegiak
'straya, mate
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GWG
1:15PM Sunday, is it?
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acegiak
good call
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GWG
It's the half hour timezones that confuse me
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GWG
I am still trying to figure out the next step for the Indieweb Taxonomy plugin
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acegiak
what are the things you're looking at?
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GWG
I mentioned endpoints as an idea to quickly respond to external links.
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GWG
But right now, trying to improve what is there
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acegiak
fair enough
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acegiak
GWG: I think I need to add a "favourite" kind
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GWG
Well, it is doable.
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acegiak
cause it's a distinct thing in my usage to bookmark or like
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GWG
There was that whole debate about terminology
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GWG
I figured anything could be added or deleted.
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acegiak
I'll have to check the wiki again
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acegiak
exactly
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acegiak
I consider a favorite to be the equivalent of liking a facebook page rather than a post
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acegiak
I usually favorite static pages
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GWG
I started an issue about this at IWC NYC
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acegiak
like wikipedia articles or imdb pages
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GWG
Yes.
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GWG
I still can't get Twitter autopost working right.
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GWG
POSSE is another one of my issues.
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GWG
acegiak: But if you consider the two different, you can add the code. It may be worth some explanation on the settings page
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GWG
I need a better name for this thing
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GWG
If its primary purpose is to store syndication metadata and generate syndication links of various styles, what would you call it?
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acegiak
i have three plugins: indiewebtaxonomy for the post kinds
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acegiak
whisperfollow that aggregates posts and lets me respond to thrm by opening a new post window and prepopulating kinds etc
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acegiak
and im using a hacked version of microblogposter to posse
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GWG
I've been using SNAP, but I want to switch.
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acegiak
which is now up to the stage where i should refactor my code into its own plugin
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GWG
acegiak: I'm working on switching to Bridgy for publishing.
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acegiak
native reblogs on tumblr are important to me, hence the custom code
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acegiak
so if i respond to something on my side that reblog is possed in tumblr in their format
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GWG
Hi, tantek
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GWG
acegiak: Hard to find one thing to make everyone happy.
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acegiak
i dont think we should be looking for that really
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GWG
I know
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GWG
Okay...forking down
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GWG
Syndication Links and Semantic Comments now online.
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david.shanske.com
edited /User:David.shanske.com (-267) "/* In Development */"
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equivalentideas
Afternoon everyone :) Are there institutions/companies/orgs implementing indie web projects on their websites, or involved in the community?
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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kylewm
equivalentideas: interesting question. does withknown.com count?
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kylewm
there was some talk this morning about thinkup...
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equivalentideas
Thanks @kylewm
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equivalentideas
The context is I'm joining some discussions tomorrow with professional archivists in Australia, to talk about federated, decentralised archives on the web.
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equivalentideas
I think Indie Web is the example to look at, and to discuss how something like web mentions could be used to contect records in Archives.
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@CaptainKurtis
RT @endi: Hello #indieweb World! Rolled a #RaspberryPi into a dedicated Known server. Thanks to @kyle_wm & @benwerd for their help. @withkn
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pmortensen.eu
edited /Talk:why (+1) "/* Half-broken link */"
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eliemichel
How do I delete an in-reply-to comment?
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eliemichel
Do I webmention the page again but make it have a 404 status?
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rascul
eliemichel maybe that would be hepful?
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eliemichel
thx
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eliemichel
I ask too fast, I looked at the first part of the page only
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pmortensen.eu
edited /Talk:why (+2) "/* Half-broken link */ Fixed the threading level."
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@OnTheWebz
RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66)
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ben_thatmustbeme
eliemichel. I do that all the time too
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ben_thatmustbeme
ask too fast
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pmortensen.eu
created /Talk:h-card (+374) "Correct HTML for h-card information?"
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eliemichel
This is too tempting to ask to such a reactive community =)
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pmortensen.eu
edited /Talk:h-card (+89) "/* Correct HTML for h-card information? */"
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@JensKolbeOlsen
RT @tante: So if you are into the indieweb but still like integration with other networks @withknown (http://withknown.com) is actually …
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pmortensen.eu
edited /User:Pmortensen.eu (+41) "Added some annotation for the podcast."
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@acegiak
My Current Indieweb Setup My current Indieweb setup is built on my Wordpress blog and centralized on Whisperfollow. - http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/
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acegiak
!tell GWG I spent an hour recording a screencast only to discover the sound was wrecked so I've just put this together for now: http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@mendibot
My Current Indieweb Setup My current Indieweb setup is built on my Wordpress blog and centralized on Whisperfollow. - http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/
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@paul_tibbetts
#IndieWeb ifying #WordPress - Part 1 - Levels 1 & 2: http://wp.me/p4VznL-n3
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@twitmyreview
RT @mendibot: My Current Indieweb Setup My current Indieweb setup is built on my Wordpress blog and centralized on Whisperfollow. - http://…
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pmortensen.eu
edited /User:Pmortensen.eu (+107) "Added more annotation for the podcast."
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pmortensen.eu
edited /User:Pmortensen.eu (+38) "Formatting, etc."
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selfstarter.pt
edited /WordPress (+172) "/* Other independents using it on their primary site */ add Paul Tibbetts - https://selfstarter.pt"
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GWG
acegiak: They made the same typo on my last name on my university degree.
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Loqi
GWG: acegiak left you a message 2 hours, 51 minutes ago: I spent an hour recording a screencast only to discover the sound was wrecked so I've just put this together for now: http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/
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GWG
!tell acegiak Thank you.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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selfstarter.pt
created /User:Selfstarter.pt (+1308) "add user details for Paul Tibbetts - https://selfstarter.pt"
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pmortensen.eu
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@ubax
Backed up all my old photos from #Twitpic before it shutdowns on September 25th. You should too, if you ever used it. #indieweb
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reedstrm
Yay! Made it on - first time I've tried freenode tethering over t-mobile, so hit the 'must use SASL' message
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Loqi
yay!
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@jmsmcfrlnd
.@kevinmarks thank you for #xoxofest notes, enabled me to have a great reading experience http://www.kevinmarks.com/xoxo2014.html go #indieweb
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reedstrm
my q: doing an install of idno, to hack on a bit. Just to make it more fun, insisting on nginx and non-mongdb. Get through initial config, but getting a 405 trying to register an account. Anyone have a clue where to find the actual logs files for this? neither nginx nor mysql logs anything related (other than the actual access)
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reedstrm
Ah, now I see it - it's not keeping the port # in the post, so I'm crossing over into other things I'm hacking on/serving from nginx locally.
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reedstrm
"nevermind"
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bret
reedstrm did you figure it out?
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reedstrm
bret: getting there - php/mysql not really my thing - I'm more of a python/postgresql guy. Seeing if I can get it to keep the port - otherwise I'm sure I can make it work w/ yet-another-stanza in local vanish config, and a /etc/hosts alias
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reedstrm
The initial setup pages all worked w/ the port#, so I know it's possible ...
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reedstrm
'begin' is not an easy string to grep for ...
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bret
bewerd and other known users are around here. I dont know much about running it myself
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bret
there may also be a known/idno irc channel?
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bret
maybe a mattr room
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reedstrm
so, the basic php stuff in 'warmup' seems fine w/ it, but the all-singing-all-dancing routing code in Idno/Core/IDno seeems to be pickier.
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reedstrm
@bret, that's the nicest 'perhaps your in the wrong place' I've seen in a while :-)
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bret
no definately not the wrong place, just thinking about other places that might be of help
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bret
stick around :)
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reedstrm
Ah cool. It didn't seem too noisy here, so I thought I'd through it up there. I'm a 'ask in case you missed something stupid, but keep digging' kind of person :-
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reedstrm
s/through/throw/
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Loqi
reedstrm meant to say: Ah cool. It didn't seem too noisy here, so I thought I'd throw it up there. I'm a 'ask in case you missed something stupid, but keep digging' kind of person :-
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reedstrm
(also liking the loqi bot :-)
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Loqi
is done
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bret
Loqi, what is love?
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bret
keep digging reedstrm++
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reedstrm
Over the years I've become less of a language/tech bigot, and look for tools w/ a community around them
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bret
heh yeah, community is really important
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selfstarter.pt
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GWG
!tell acegiak Fixed and pushed webmention fix
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
I think I fixed reply webmentions
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GWG
Will have to test in productiokn
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@kevinmarks
#xoxo @jah: People kept sending me stories in response to mine, so I decided to teach people to make their own websites #indieweb
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@HongPong
RT @PBSIdeaLab: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) http://t.c…
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@brenboo1
RT @PBSIdeaLab: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) http://t.c…
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@PeterMortensen
RT @airbornesurfer: Thinking about building my own web server & joining the #IndieWeb movement. I've been against this crap since the days …
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landstalker
evening
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landstalker
anyone tried known yet? If so, did you also get "PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '[', expecting ')' in /home/leenscou/public_html/known/index.php on line 46
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landstalker
except the directory would be different of course
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barnabywalters
greetings landstalker! sounds like you’re using PHP 5.3 but need PHP 5.4
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Loqi
barnabywalters: voxpelli left you a message 4 days, 1 hour ago: We decided to change the "web+indie" protocol to "web+action" instead, so you will need to update your code
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Loqi
barnabywalters: gRegor` left you a message 4 days ago: Was there an etherpad for the clients session?
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Loqi
barnabywalters: ben_thatmust_ left you a message on 9/12 at 9:11pm: kylewm said he doesn't receive webmentions from you either. His endpoint link is relative, thats what was causing it for me.
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landstalker
damn it, you're right : PHP 5.3.28
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barnabywalters
always more things to fix :)
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landstalker
thanks barnabywalters I'll put it on one of my own servers instead
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barnabywalters
landstalker: no problem, good luck getting it working!
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ben_thatmust__1
hey all
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barnabywalters
greetings ben_thatmust__1
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neuro`
Good evening gentlemen
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neuro`
and ladies
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neuro`
and any people who won't feel like they belong to one of these
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ben_thatmust__1
btw barnabywalters. You get that message about kylewm's webmentions?
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GWG
barnabywalters: Long time no type
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barnabywalters
ben_thatmust__1: I did indeed! weird that the link being relative isn’t working, Taproot’s usually good about resolving those
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barnabywalters
but I’ll look into it
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barnabywalters
GWG: indeed! been busy :)
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GWG
barnabywalters: I understand.
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ben_thatmust__1
I found that the bug was present in the open source php module
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barnabywalters
GWG: how’s the theme/plugin going?
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GWG
barnabywalters: You tell me...
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GWG
I discovered a problem with my plugin for reply-context and such not sending webmentions, but I can't track down pfefferle for advice. I think he's busy with a new job
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barnabywalters
GWG: looking good+parsing well!
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GWG
barnabywalters: Looking aesthetically, or parser wise?
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barnabywalters
aesthetically
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GWG
More to come on that
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barnabywalters
although the page scrolls horizontally into empty space which is a bit weird
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GWG
I had to rewrite the Facepile code and untangle the syndication link generation code
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GWG
It does? Odd. DIdn't come up in testing
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barnabywalters
this is on Firefox Nightly
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GWG
I'm not getting one on Firefox, but I'm not on the nightlies
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ben_thatmust_
shrewdness is looking nice
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barnabywalters
ben_thatmust_: thanks! the list of bugs is piling up, I need to get back on it
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ben_thatmust_
I was toying with the hfeed on my site. using an excerpt instead on the whole thing
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ben_thatmust_
dunno. thinking I may roll that back
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bret
Wooo syndication targets? when did that happen?
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GWG
I need someone to reply to for testing.
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@lee_ball
@withknown thanks. I went into indieweb channel and they pointed out my mistake, that my host only has PHP 5.3.
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GWG
What's a syndication target?
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG reply to what?
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I need to test replying to anything. Having trouble and tried to deploy a fix.
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GWG
I guess I didn't fix it
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GWG
It seems to be doubled.
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GWG
I'm "A Reader"?
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GWG
I think this might be on your end.
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GWG
I think I fixed it on my end
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh... it looks for the author p-name in h-card
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ben_thatmustbeme
and i clearly need to fix parsing of timestamps
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I have a p-name.
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GWG
I may wish to remove the replies from the main loop though
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ben_thatmustbeme
ah, i should say, my code looks for h-entry/h-card/p-name
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ben_thatmustbeme
so if it isn't nested that way it fails
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ben_thatmustbeme
i need to work on parsing a little safer
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GWG
My code offers that as an optional feature, but since there is only one author...I disabled it and moved the h-card to the sidebar
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GWG
I coded everything two ways
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GWG
One was the traditional Wordpress way.
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats pretty cool. mine just does one author only, but i still lay out everything like it could be from a second
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Multiple author is the Wordpress default assumption, so I wrote in a line to generate it, and then disabled it.
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GWG
I did a few things like that for future proofing.
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, what time zone are you?
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GWG
Eastern
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GWG
Why?
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ben_thatmustbeme
"published": ["2014-09-14T17:39:14+0000"],
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ben_thatmustbeme
"updated": ["2014-09-14T17:39:52+0000"],
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ben_thatmustbeme
you are claiming UTC
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ben_thatmustbeme
so that would put your post 4 hours ago
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GWG
Hmm...
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GWG
Interesting
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GWG
No one else ever noticed it
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ben_thatmustbeme
a lot of people seem to gloss over timestamps. Since i went through normalizing any times i display to eastern, i noticed
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GWG
Now I can fix it
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh and as far as parsing mentions, i use https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, also your html tags aren't nested right
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ben_thatmustbeme
ctrl-u on FF and it highlights incorrect parsed tags in red
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ben_thatmustbeme
looks like just one too many closing div tags
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Wordpress notes an issue with that
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GWG
I will check the divs
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey KevinMarks
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aaronpk_
Hey KevinMarks any rumblings of an indieweb dinner tonight? evanpro? Blaine?
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GWG
Hi, tantek
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tantek
hello GWG!
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GWG
tantek: My mother is very impressed with your resume.
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GWG
I've been trying to get her to look at my site for years.
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GWG
She finally does, and now... "Who is this Tantek guy you referenced?"
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GWG
I'd mention KevinMarks, but I haven't done anything with fragmentions.
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