#indiewebcamp 2014-09-14

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@kevinmarks #xoxo @gruber: I hoped that each writer, under their own name, with their own site could work, but it hasn't really happened #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/510942860242210817)
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@t #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66) (twitter.com/_/status/510943986350313472)
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@absalomedia RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66) (twitter.com/_/status/510944746781409280)
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@JasonSimanek RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66) (twitter.com/_/status/510946265069522944)
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@airbornesurfer Thinking about building my own web server & joining the #IndieWeb movement. I've been against this crap since the days of AOL! (twitter.com/_/status/510951642062004224)
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kylewm ha! I went to elementary school with him^
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GWG kylewm: Oh?
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ben_thatmust_ hey guys
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ben_thatmust__ quiet night
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ben_thatmust__ guess its all the xoxo or whatever
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ben_thatmust__ east coasters get a lot of nothing
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kylewm that's only tantek, aaronpk, and kevinmarks though, i think
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techlifeweb Woot! I think I fixed my WP webmention timezone issue.
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Loqi :D
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tantek is still working on writing up the IndieWebCampUK demos as a blog post. So much to absorb in-person @xoxo.
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@b3gl RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66) (twitter.com/_/status/510984752145256448)
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@_n RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66) (twitter.com/_/status/510986273226756096)
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GWG Hmm...
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@encycl Deleted my @instagram account. I'll be moving all the images to my https://parlementum.net/ site. #privacy #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/510992493525995522)
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snarfed @tantek: fixed. thanks for reporting! https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/commit/6c72af1f5bb0e4516c21ba13613bd735aec46e3a
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GWG Hello, snarfed
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snarfed hi GWG
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GWG What's going on?
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acegiak Added a search function to whisperfollow!
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acegiak really neat
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GWG acegiak: Hi.
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acegiak makes it good for doing things like podcast aggregation
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acegiak hallo!
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GWG acegiak: Is there a demo of whisperfollow?
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GWG I haven't seen what your implementation looks like.
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acegiak hmmm
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GWG Screenshot?
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acegiak I should do a screencast or something yeah
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Loqi it is probable
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GWG acegiak: I'm very curious about it.
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GWG I use tt-rss for that
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acegiak yeah I'll do a screencast later today then
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GWG acegiak: I keep forgetting the time difference
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acegiak 'straya, mate
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acegiak :P
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GWG 1:15PM Sunday, is it?
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acegiak good call
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GWG It's the half hour timezones that confuse me
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GWG I am still trying to figure out the next step for the Indieweb Taxonomy plugin
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acegiak what are the things you're looking at?
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GWG I mentioned endpoints as an idea to quickly respond to external links.
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GWG But right now, trying to improve what is there
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acegiak fair enough
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acegiak GWG: I think I need to add a "favourite" kind
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GWG Well, it is doable.
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acegiak cause it's a distinct thing in my usage to bookmark or like
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GWG There was that whole debate about terminology
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GWG I figured anything could be added or deleted.
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acegiak I'll have to check the wiki again
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak exactly
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acegiak I consider a favorite to be the equivalent of liking a facebook page rather than a post
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acegiak I usually favorite static pages
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GWG I started an issue about this at IWC NYC
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acegiak like wikipedia articles or imdb pages
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GWG Yes.
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GWG I still can't get Twitter autopost working right.
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GWG POSSE is another one of my issues.
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GWG acegiak: But if you consider the two different, you can add the code. It may be worth some explanation on the settings page
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GWG I need a better name for this thing
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GWG If its primary purpose is to store syndication metadata and generate syndication links of various styles, what would you call it?
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acegiak i have three plugins: indiewebtaxonomy for the post kinds
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acegiak whisperfollow that aggregates posts and lets me respond to thrm by opening a new post window and prepopulating kinds etc
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acegiak and im using a hacked version of microblogposter to posse
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GWG I've been using SNAP, but I want to switch.
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acegiak which is now up to the stage where i should refactor my code into its own plugin
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GWG acegiak: I'm working on switching to Bridgy for publishing.
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acegiak native reblogs on tumblr are important to me, hence the custom code
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acegiak so if i respond to something on my side that reblog is possed in tumblr in their format
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GWG Hi, tantek
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GWG acegiak: Hard to find one thing to make everyone happy.
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acegiak i dont think we should be looking for that really
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GWG I know
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GWG Okay...forking down
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GWG Syndication Links and Semantic Comments now online.
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david.shanske.com edited /User:David.shanske.com (-267) "/* In Development */" (view diff)
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equivalentideas Afternoon everyone :) Are there institutions/companies/orgs implementing indie web projects on their websites, or involved in the community?
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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kylewm equivalentideas: interesting question. does withknown.com count?
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kylewm there was some talk this morning about thinkup...
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equivalentideas Thanks @kylewm
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equivalentideas The context is I'm joining some discussions tomorrow with professional archivists in Australia, to talk about federated, decentralised archives on the web.
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equivalentideas I think Indie Web is the example to look at, and to discuss how something like web mentions could be used to contect records in Archives.
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@manat69 IndieWeb advocates launch #Known so #bloggers can be social and still control their #content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @gigaom (twitter.com/_/status/511055679579492352)
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@argone69 RT @manat69: IndieWeb advocates launch #Known so #bloggers can be social and still control their #content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ via @giga… (twitter.com/_/status/511057773702815745)
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@CaptainKurtis RT @endi: Hello #indieweb World! Rolled a #RaspberryPi into a dedicated Known server. Thanks to @kyle_wm & @benwerd for their help. @withkn… (twitter.com/_/status/511075693057171456)
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pmortensen.eu edited /Talk:why (+1) "/* Half-broken link */" (view diff)
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rascul.io edited /Talk:why (+109) (view diff)
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eliemichel How do I delete an in-reply-to comment?
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eliemichel Do I webmention the page again but make it have a 404 status?
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rascul http://indiewebcamp.com/comment#Delete_a_comment
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rascul eliemichel maybe that would be hepful?
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eliemichel thx
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rascul :)
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eliemichel I ask too fast, I looked at the first part of the page only
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pmortensen.eu edited /Talk:why (+2) "/* Half-broken link */ Fixed the threading level." (view diff)
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: #xoxofest @gruber: Never consider CPM advertising. It does not work. Never sell your blog [personal domain]. #indieweb (ttk.me t4Y66) (twitter.com/_/status/511100104535576577)
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@PressPassMe IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/511105628937670656)
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ben_thatmustbeme eliemichel. I do that all the time too
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ben_thatmustbeme ask too fast
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pmortensen.eu created /Talk:h-card (+374) "Correct HTML for h-card information?" (view diff)
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eliemichel This is too tempting to ask to such a reactive community =)
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@JensKolbeOlsen RT @tante: So if you are into the indieweb but still like integration with other networks @withknown (http://withknown.com) is actually … (twitter.com/_/status/511111310076313600)
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pmortensen.eu edited /User:Pmortensen.eu (+41) "Added some annotation for the podcast." (view diff)
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@acegiak My Current Indieweb Setup My current Indieweb setup is built on my Wordpress blog and centralized on Whisperfollow. - http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/ (twitter.com/_/status/511139321647095808)
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acegiak !tell GWG I spent an hour recording a screencast only to discover the sound was wrecked so I've just put this together for now: http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@mendibot My Current Indieweb Setup My current Indieweb setup is built on my Wordpress blog and centralized on Whisperfollow. - http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/ (twitter.com/_/status/511147260647051264)
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@theanxy If you don’t know what #IndieWeb is, go watch this: https://www.youtube.com/ + check out @withknown beta release: http://stream.withknown.com/2014/announcing-our-first-beta-release---known-06---named-1 (twitter.com/_/status/511149388077744128)
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Loqi [mention] https://selfstarter.pt/adventures-indiewebifying-wordpress-part-1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://selfstarter.pt/adventures-indiewebifying-wordpress-part-1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/h-entry (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://selfstarter.pt/adventures-indiewebifying-wordpress-part-1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://selfstarter.pt/adventures-indiewebifying-wordpress-part-1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@paul_tibbetts #IndieWeb ifying #WordPress - Part 1 - Levels 1 & 2: http://wp.me/p4VznL-n3 (twitter.com/_/status/511157219878895616)
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@twitmyreview RT @mendibot: My Current Indieweb Setup My current Indieweb setup is built on my Wordpress blog and centralized on Whisperfollow. - http://… (twitter.com/_/status/511158103207727104)
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pmortensen.eu edited /User:Pmortensen.eu (+107) "Added more annotation for the podcast." (view diff)
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pmortensen.eu edited /User:Pmortensen.eu (+38) "Formatting, etc." (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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selfstarter.pt edited /WordPress (+172) "/* Other independents using it on their primary site */ add Paul Tibbetts - https://selfstarter.pt" (view diff)
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@tranosaurus RT @coreyford: Congrats to @mattervc's @withknown for their feature by GigaOm: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ cc: @knightfdn @KQED @prx @benwerd @… (twitter.com/_/status/511182429516615680)
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GWG acegiak: They made the same typo on my last name on my university degree.
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Loqi GWG: acegiak left you a message 2 hours, 51 minutes ago: I spent an hour recording a screencast only to discover the sound was wrecked so I've just put this together for now: http://acegiak.net/2014/09/14/my-current-indieweb-setup/
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GWG !tell acegiak Thank you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@ubax Backed up all my old photos from #Twitpic before it shutdowns on September 25th. You should too, if you ever used it. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/511186568699060224)
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reedstrm Yay! Made it on - first time I've tried freenode tethering over t-mobile, so hit the 'must use SASL' message
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Loqi yay!
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@jmsmcfrlnd .@kevinmarks thank you for #xoxofest notes, enabled me to have a great reading experience http://www.kevinmarks.com/xoxo2014.html go #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/511189784115814401)
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reedstrm my q: doing an install of idno, to hack on a bit. Just to make it more fun, insisting on nginx and non-mongdb. Get through initial config, but getting a 405 trying to register an account. Anyone have a clue where to find the actual logs files for this? neither nginx nor mysql logs anything related (other than the actual access)
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reedstrm Ah, now I see it - it's not keeping the port # in the post, so I'm crossing over into other things I'm hacking on/serving from nginx locally.
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reedstrm "nevermind"
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bret reedstrm did you figure it out?
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reedstrm bret: getting there - php/mysql not really my thing - I'm more of a python/postgresql guy. Seeing if I can get it to keep the port - otherwise I'm sure I can make it work w/ yet-another-stanza in local vanish config, and a /etc/hosts alias
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reedstrm The initial setup pages all worked w/ the port#, so I know it's possible ...
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reedstrm 'begin' is not an easy string to grep for ...
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bret heh
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bret bewerd and other known users are around here. I dont know much about running it myself
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bret there may also be a known/idno irc channel?
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bret maybe a mattr room
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reedstrm so, the basic php stuff in 'warmup' seems fine w/ it, but the all-singing-all-dancing routing code in Idno/Core/IDno seeems to be pickier.
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reedstrm @bret, that's the nicest 'perhaps your in the wrong place' I've seen in a while :-)
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bret no definately not the wrong place, just thinking about other places that might be of help
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bret stick around :)
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reedstrm Ah cool. It didn't seem too noisy here, so I thought I'd through it up there. I'm a 'ask in case you missed something stupid, but keep digging' kind of person :-
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reedstrm s/through/throw/
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Loqi reedstrm meant to say: Ah cool. It didn't seem too noisy here, so I thought I'd throw it up there. I'm a 'ask in case you missed something stupid, but keep digging' kind of person :-
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reedstrm cool.
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reedstrm (also liking the loqi bot :-)
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Loqi is done
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bret Loqi, what is love?
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Loqi "baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM http://indiewebcamp.com/love
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bret keep digging reedstrm++
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reedstrm Over the years I've become less of a language/tech bigot, and look for tools w/ a community around them
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bret heh yeah, community is really important
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GWG !tell acegiak Fixed and pushed webmention fix
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I think I fixed reply webmentions
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GWG Will have to test in productiokn
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@kevinmarks #xoxo @jah: People kept sending me stories in response to mine, so I decided to teach people to make their own websites #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/511219083485118464)
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@mal_disposto (Via @kevinmarks TWiG and http://indiewebcamp.com/) (twitter.com/_/status/511221352943353856)
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@HongPong RT @PBSIdeaLab: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/511221822314905600)
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@brenboo1 RT @PBSIdeaLab: IndieWeb advocates launch Known so bloggers can be social and still control their content (@mathewi via @GigaOm) http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/511222004469735424)
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@HongPong https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ IndieWeb advocates launch Known: bloggers can be social, still control their content cc @GlobalRevLive @youranonnews (twitter.com/_/status/511229505139003392)
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@GlobalRevLive RT @HongPong: https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/ IndieWeb advocates launch Known: bloggers can be social, still control their content cc @GlobalRevLiv… (twitter.com/_/status/511229704288751616)
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@PeterMortensen RT @airbornesurfer: Thinking about building my own web server & joining the #IndieWeb movement. I've been against this crap since the days … (twitter.com/_/status/511235850135293952)
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landstalker evening
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landstalker anyone tried known yet? If so, did you also get "PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '[', expecting ')' in /home/leenscou/public_html/known/index.php on line 46
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landstalker except the directory would be different of course
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barnabywalters greetings landstalker! sounds like you’re using PHP 5.3 but need PHP 5.4
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Loqi barnabywalters: voxpelli left you a message 4 days, 1 hour ago: We decided to change the "web+indie" protocol to "web+action" instead, so you will need to update your code
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Loqi barnabywalters: gRegor` left you a message 4 days ago: Was there an etherpad for the clients session?
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Loqi barnabywalters: ben_thatmust_ left you a message on 9/12 at 9:11pm: kylewm said he doesn't receive webmentions from you either. His endpoint link is relative, thats what was causing it for me.
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landstalker damn it, you're right : PHP 5.3.28
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barnabywalters always more things to fix :)
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landstalker thanks barnabywalters I'll put it on one of my own servers instead
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barnabywalters landstalker: no problem, good luck getting it working!
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ben_thatmust__1 hey all
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barnabywalters greetings ben_thatmust__1
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neuro` Good evening gentlemen
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neuro` and ladies
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neuro` and any people who won't feel like they belong to one of these
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ben_thatmust__1 btw barnabywalters. You get that message about kylewm's webmentions?
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GWG barnabywalters: Long time no type
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barnabywalters ben_thatmust__1: I did indeed! weird that the link being relative isn’t working, Taproot’s usually good about resolving those
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barnabywalters but I’ll look into it
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barnabywalters GWG: indeed! been busy :)
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GWG barnabywalters: I understand.
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ben_thatmust__1 I found that the bug was present in the open source php module
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barnabywalters GWG: how’s the theme/plugin going?
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GWG barnabywalters: You tell me...
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GWG barnabywalters: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdavid.shanske.com%2F
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GWG I discovered a problem with my plugin for reply-context and such not sending webmentions, but I can't track down pfefferle for advice. I think he's busy with a new job
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barnabywalters GWG: looking good+parsing well!
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GWG barnabywalters: Looking aesthetically, or parser wise?
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barnabywalters aesthetically
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GWG More to come on that
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barnabywalters although the page scrolls horizontally into empty space which is a bit weird
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GWG I had to rewrite the Facepile code and untangle the syndication link generation code
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GWG It does? Odd. DIdn't come up in testing
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barnabywalters this is on Firefox Nightly
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barnabywalters also looking good in shrewdness! http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=david.shanske.com
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GWG I'm not getting one on Firefox, but I'm not on the nightlies
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ben_thatmust_ shrewdness is looking nice
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barnabywalters ben_thatmust_: thanks! the list of bugs is piling up, I need to get back on it
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ben_thatmust_ I was toying with the hfeed on my site. using an excerpt instead on the whole thing
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ben_thatmust_ dunno. thinking I may roll that back
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bret Wooo syndication targets? when did that happen?
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GWG I need someone to reply to for testing.
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@lee_ball @withknown thanks. I went into indieweb channel and they pointed out my mistake, that my host only has PHP 5.3. (twitter.com/_/status/511265486429253632)
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GWG What's a syndication target?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG reply to what?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I need to test replying to anything. Having trouble and tried to deploy a fix.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG: http://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/9/14/1/_
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GWG I guess I didn't fix it
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GWG It seems to be doubled.
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ben_thatmustbeme what wrong?
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GWG I'm "A Reader"?
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GWG I think this might be on your end.
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GWG I think I fixed it on my end
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ben_thatmustbeme huh... it looks for the author p-name in h-card
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ben_thatmustbeme and i clearly need to fix parsing of timestamps
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have a p-name.
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GWG I may wish to remove the replies from the main loop though
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, i should say, my code looks for h-entry/h-card/p-name
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ben_thatmustbeme so if it isn't nested that way it fails
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ben_thatmustbeme i need to work on parsing a little safer
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GWG My code offers that as an optional feature, but since there is only one author...I disabled it and moved the h-card to the sidebar
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GWG I coded everything two ways
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GWG One was the traditional Wordpress way.
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ben_thatmustbeme thats pretty cool. mine just does one author only, but i still lay out everything like it could be from a second
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ben_thatmustbeme i suppose
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Multiple author is the Wordpress default assumption, so I wrote in a line to generate it, and then disabled it.
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GWG I did a few things like that for future proofing.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, what time zone are you?
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GWG Eastern
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GWG Why?
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ben_thatmustbeme "published": ["2014-09-14T17:39:14+0000"],
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ben_thatmustbeme "updated": ["2014-09-14T17:39:52+0000"],
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ben_thatmustbeme you are claiming UTC
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ben_thatmustbeme so that would put your post 4 hours ago
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GWG Hmm...
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GWG Interesting
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GWG No one else ever noticed it
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ben_thatmustbeme a lot of people seem to gloss over timestamps. Since i went through normalizing any times i display to eastern, i noticed
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GWG Now I can fix it
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ben_thatmustbeme oh and as far as parsing mentions, i use https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, also your html tags aren't nested right
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ben_thatmustbeme ctrl-u on FF and it highlights incorrect parsed tags in red
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ben_thatmustbeme looks like just one too many closing div tags
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Wordpress notes an issue with that
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GWG I will check the divs
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ben_thatmustbeme hey KevinMarks
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aaronpk_ Hey KevinMarks any rumblings of an indieweb dinner tonight? evanpro? Blaine?
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GWG Hi, tantek
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tantek hello GWG!
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GWG tantek: My mother is very impressed with your resume.
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GWG I've been trying to get her to look at my site for years.
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GWG She finally does, and now... "Who is this Tantek guy you referenced?"
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GWG I'd mention KevinMarks, but I haven't done anything with fragmentions.
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