#indiewebcamp 2014-09-24
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shaners eg, .h-as-article on http://sbb.me/b4YB1
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parzzix good evening everyone
# parzzix So when I got http://indiewebify.me/ and test web sign in I get the following
# parzzix When fetching http://timapple.me, we got this problem:
# parzzix Client error response [status code] 404 [reason phrase] Vhost unknown [url] http://timapple.me/
# parzzix Any ideas?
# parzzix will try
# parzzix I get
# parzzix Unknown error retrieving http://timapple.me: 404 => Net::HTTPNotFound for http://timapple.me/ -- unhandled respons
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@401matthall Has anyone else sorted out how to get likes and replies from Facebook to show-up on their Known site? #Known #idno #indieweb #lilhelpplease (twitter.com/_/status/514583151205961728)
# parzzix ok rascul will check with him.
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KevinMarks___ Not that I saw, but I may have missed something
# parzzix OK....will try to be patient..but the page loads via domain name.
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kylewm hmm, yeah it looks good here https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/timapple.me
# parzzix kylewm, maybe somthing to do with updated known...fixed plugins..maybe indieauth not working yet though
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@anomalily @willowbl00 Three fold: transparency around what Iām doing, ability to invite/RSVP people to public events via webmentions, mtg scheduling (twitter.com/_/status/514589191661817857)
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@willowbl00 @anomalily 1) meetme.so for what it does; 2) indiewebcamp for what's missing (twitter.com/_/status/514590511450308609)
# @anomalily @willowbl00 Yea I may just make an #indieweb mash-up using web mentions & @calagator code. Pretty event pages via my own site is essential (twitter.com/_/status/514591075105636352)
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KartikPrabhu yup nice article. points out the clearly what the problem is up front. Real world systems are not black and white enough to be amenable to strict logic
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@parzzix I think I am loving my @mailinabox . I pretty much got completely off google services in one foul swoop! #google #linux #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/514601742303240193)
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ben_thatmust_ gah after all that setup for a mixi.jp account I need a Japanese cell phone to sign up
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@joeld My barely-nonminimally-viable #webmention endpoint: https://gist.github.com/otherjoel/9301d985622f0d3d1a09 /cc @adactio @gRegorLove @schussman (twitter.com/_/status/514605837860761600)
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# KartikPrabhu GWG: not much point in thinking long and hard about what to call something before it exists. Make a list call it whatever, you can always change the name
# KartikPrabhu name deciding is just another obstacle to making something
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# KevinMarks Scratching itches doesn't usually help. You either end up bleeding or infected
# KevinMarks A UK English word is niggles, but that is asking for misinterpretation
# KevinMarks Bothersome things
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aaronpk !tell shaners why does the ruby mf2 parser parse the result using "_" in key names instead of "-"? example: (Microformats2.parse 'https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/instagram/aaronpk/812343765104445747_1500881/1140655189').to_json
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# KevinMarks Ello is opaque as anything and sloooow
# @anomalily Started writing a blog post on #indieweb as a tool for diverse populations and at this point I feel I could write a dissertation. (twitter.com/_/status/514644847093751809)
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# kou Sorry! Lost connection to MySQL server during query in function on line 30.
# expandrew.com edited /events/2014-09-24-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* RSVP */ add Andrew Westling" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu kou: what? what is the context ?
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@andwest @fullstackmac Homebrew Website Club tomorrow... we going? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/514650244853018624)
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Loqi [mention] http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (pingback)
# Loqi [mention] http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/deviantART#Selling_Your_Work (pingback)
# @anomalily The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514654578411720704)
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@kevinmarks āThe indieweb is the new zinesāĀ @anomalily http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514655353619750912)
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@benatkin this sounds awesome, can't wait to try it! @Mailinabox https://mailinabox.email/ #wow #amaze #ownyourdata https://twitter.com/benatkin/status/514656579090530304/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/514656579090530304)
# kou as if. so much more creativity design-wise w/a pencil+paper than fighting w/ CSS
# kou really, "ownership of your own identity " is the reason? why would you use the ICANN/SAIC/Verisign/Godaddy DNS cartel ?
# kou ie why not some anonymous / distributed-conensus thing like https://github.com/andres-erbsen/dename
# KartikPrabhu kou: do you use "some anonymous / distributed-conensus thing" on your own website?
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@adactio @joeld @gRegorLove @schussman Oh, nice! Webmention to email: nifty! (twitter.com/_/status/514663210117775360)
# KartikPrabhu yup insta-notifications
# @kevinmarks @loic you could join the indieweb on http://withknown.com (twitter.com/_/status/514664112316772352)
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tantek hey bear - how hard would it be to do Webmention to XMPP instead of email based on this code https://gist.github.com/otherjoel/9301d985622f0d3d1a09 ?
# @kevinmarks @loic you should post on your own site and share to the others http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/514664582317899776)
# KevinMarks WordPress on wpengine
# KevinMarks Hm, maybe I should make it smaller
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: @loic you should post on your own site and share to the others http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/514665636497485824)
# kou " identity within an infinite space"
# kou > implying an infinite space has bounds
# tantek this is a GREAT post: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/
# KartikPrabhu kou: those two statements amount to bad logic (trust me I am a mathematical-physicist ;) )
# kou KartikPrabhu: of all the cartels one supports in daily life, the 10euro a year to Gandi is peanuts, and who knows what tiny fractio of that makes i to some 'rentier class' DNS overlord like http://www.donuts.co/ , seeing as gandi tosses in free DNS, SMTP, 1-page HTTP, 1gb of storage..
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+283) "/* process and show webmentions */ consider also webmention to email" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu kou: yes very nice. I would like to overthrow the system too. But to do that I need to get my thoughts out there first
# KartikPrabhu same reason POSSE is a thing
# KartikPrabhu instead of just "post on your website"
# kou all this mention/syndication stuff does make censorship a lot harder
# kou tooo many copies to kill :)(
# tantek Kartik exactly: http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization
# tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-1) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ comment out Chicago, Minneapolis for this week" (view diff)
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/514664582317899776/10173562 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/514664582317899776/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/514664582317899776/514665636497485824 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/514664582317899776/1216591 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@LoveDiibl Reclaim your content from the giants of social media - check out KNOWN. The beta is open to everyone. https://gigaom.com/2014/09/11/indieweb-advocates-launch-known-so-bloggers-can-be-social-and-still-control-their-content/?utm_content=buffer50498&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/514682037295665153)
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petermolnar good morning
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# alanpearce_ Hi petermolnar
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+117) "/* 2014 */ added āThe Indie Web is the new ZinesāĀ" (view diff)
# Haxxa Can you post content to twitter and facebook when using wordpress?
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barnabywalters Haxxa: yup! see http://indiewebcamp.com/Wordpress#POSSE
# KevinMarks What is ello
# barnabywalters the /WordPress page has a bunch of useful tips for indiewebifying wordpress sites
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@ShaneHudson āā¹This article by @anomalily adds another perspective to the #indieweb, from an LGBT point of view. Worth a read! http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514718452775669760)
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# Haxxa Loqi the problem with the indie web is that it still doesn't answer how it all interacts the reason facebook and silo based sites are so popular is due to the intergration and ease of use - the indie web really only fills a niche of techy's and for people who have specific rationale for setting up a site for the rest of people they prefer having a third party in control of there content
# Haxxa *thier
# Haxxa sorry getting pretty tired here grammar is going
# alanpearce_ Loqi is just relaying from twitter :D
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ShaneHudson Yeah I think you meant to mention me instead of Loqi?
# Haxxa didn't mean to relay anyone really just posing a point of view seeingwhat people in this channel think of it and why...
# ShaneHudson You are right that indie web isn't ready for everyone yet. But (and there is a page on the wiki somewhere), we are just the first step. In the same way Harvard was the first step for Facebook. And we already have Known, which is a great starting place for non-tech people
# ShaneHudson Our job is to make the software and plugins (be it Wordpress, Craft or whatever) so that it is simple for everyone else further down the line
# Haxxa How do you see it integrating though? Does not having your own data away from a central place limit intergration and the useful of this data - googles buiness model for example is solely based on making useful connections between data and a lot of that would not be possible if the data was not in their control
# Haxxa Is the indie web a push away from industry cloud?
# ShaneHudson Google are absolutely able to make connections between data they do not own, they started out as a search engine after all
# ShaneHudson It is in a way a push away from industry clouds, although we all have differing reasons for why we do it.
# ShaneHudson Often it is down to having seen so many companies pull sites that we use (see http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines)
# ShaneHudson oops
# Haxxa Could you see facebook dying and taking data with it?
# Haxxa again playing devils avocate here trying really to gather why indie web is important
# ShaneHudson Facebook are massive. But so was GeoCities, MySpace, Bebo... I doubt it will happen anytime soon, but definitely possible.
# ShaneHudson It is important because it is important in different ways for each person.
# alanpearce_ You can think of indieweb as having a backup of all your data. Only you know it already works, because it's on your own site.
# ShaneHudson Some people might not care about sites closing down, but (as in Lillian's case) they may be censored on social networks etc
# ShaneHudson And for others, it could just be a great way to get back to their own personal site. I know I had barely touched mine in years until joining indie web :)
# alanpearce_ Me neither. I owned my domain for several years before I did anything web-based with it.
# Haxxa Do you host using VPS or shared hosting or just from home?
# ShaneHudson VPS at the moment (I need to find a cheaper option though, one of my sites has grown larger than expected)
# Haxxa I really like to host from home but I only have 2.5 mbs upload which might not be a good idea
# alanpearce_ I use a VPS now. If I had better internet at home, I would host there.
# Haxxa this ^^^^^
# ShaneHudson There is no reason you can't host on a VPS but have the canonical versions at home, just for your access
# alanpearce_ Haxxa: if your site is (made) cacheable, you could use something like cloudflare to speed things up
# ShaneHudson Then you have a real-time backup against VPS going down
# alanpearce_ ShaneHudson: Which provider are you with?
# ShaneHudson Krystal.co.uk
# Haxxa It's more that I don't want to pay for a VPS and the fact I could transfer files much quicker :)
# ShaneHudson But I already pay extra for 100GB storage and needing extra RAM, so trying to work out what to do
# alanpearce_ Haxxa: You might consider looking at /hosting , lowendbox is a particularly good cheap option.
# alanpearce_ I pay Ā£12/year for each of a couple of VPSes
# ShaneHudson I've never trusted VPSes that are that cheap lol
# alanpearce_ Some work really well.
# petermolnar for VPS, digitalocean is cheap & nice
# alanpearce_ I've only had one bad one really, and I've gone through about five offers
# alanpearce_ Heroku or openshift could be free, depending on data storage and stuff.
# petermolnar for a full blown server, check this, in case you're in the EU: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
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rascul http://soyoustart.com has lower cost dedicated servers too
# ShaneHudson DigitalOcean looks far too expensive if I want a lot of storage
# Haxxa I had a VPS provided to me for 3 years and I shared it with friends until my friend thought it was a good idea to use it as a seedbox and get my vps seized . grrrrr
# ShaneHudson Thank you Loqi
# alanpearce_ ShaneHudson: https://backupsy.com/ is good for storage :)
# Haxxa Otherwise I use lowendbox a lot
# Haxxa see whats around
# petermolnar for lot of storage: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market#356648
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: That is very tempting... but how reliable? I like being able to just phone my host, but if they are based in Germany it would probably be harder
# Haxxa Anyone know is it common for registars to buy domains after you've used it - I don't want to pay renewal fees which are why to expensive
# Haxxa *if
# petermolnar I've been using it for 1.5 years
# petermolnar not a single issue
# Haxxa I want to buy using a different registar
# petermolnar disk needed to be replaced, it took ~1h downtime
# petermolnar nothing else
# ShaneHudson Haxxa: It has certainly been known
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: Hmm this is very tempting
# Haxxa but they are charging crazy renewal fees!
# petermolnar there's a single limit: atfer 10TB/month you'll be reduced to 10Mbs
# alanpearce_ Nice provider there rascul++
# ShaneHudson What is the whole reduction thing? Is it like an auction for servers?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "the whole reduction thing? Is it like an auction for servers" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+whole+reduction+thing%3F+Is+it+like+an+auction+for+servers
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: That shouldn't be a problem
# petermolnar it's getting lower and lower up until a certain price
# petermolnar I got that machine for 29E / month :)
# Haxxa rascul opinion what should I do - I am using crazy domains
# Haxxa I dont want to pay renewal fees
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@badgermind RT @ShaneHudson: āā¹This article by @anomalily adds another perspective to the #indieweb, from an LGBT point of view. Worth a read! http://t.ā¦ (twitter.com/_/status/514727542209937408)
# petermolnar symfony YAML processor -- ; that Grav system is a picky bastard :|
# @badgermind RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514727799807303680)
# petermolnar by the way, if someone is in the need of a virtual machine immediately, I can lend an lxc container for a while
# alanpearce_ So kind :)
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: Do you have WHM on your server? I could probably get away without it but currently have everything set up through it.
# petermolnar what is WHM?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WHM" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=WHM
# ShaneHudson It is the thing used for reseller cpanel accounts
# petermolnar nooo, I use a handcrafted LXC setup with Debian
# ShaneHudson Ah :)
# ShaneHudson My biggest problem is going to be transferring email accounts, hate doing that lol
# petermolnar re-create everything on the new machine and set the new as smarthost for the old
# petermolnar if you have spf, don't forget to modify it before :)
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# ShaneHudson Ok thanks, never heard of smarthost before :)
# Haxxa Is it possible to have a dns that redirects to closest server
# Haxxa have like 5 servers accross the world and oly direct to closest one
# alanpearce_ That's GeoDNS
# petermolnar or anycast
# Haxxa right thanks
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# @parzzix @benwerd when trying to check websign in on domain.. similiar when trying to log in at @indiewebcamp with domain also. Domain is timapple.me (twitter.com/_/status/514735827495034880)
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# Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/linux-tech-coding/exporting-wordpress-to-a-grav-friendly-markdown-yaml-format/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: āThe indieweb is the new zinesāĀ @anomalily http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514753832879144961)
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@ttepasse @bastianallgeier @jeena Allerdings ist er damit bei dem Microformat/Indieweb-Jungs gescheitert, die wollen h-cards parsen. (twitter.com/_/status/514760609356087297)
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@DirGregHall Support #indieweb & vote for @Wesleycinema >> http://www.firsts.com/content/vodafone-firsts/gb/voting.html << takes 2secs to click VOTE!! (twitter.com/_/status/514770685177380864)
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@Wesleycinema RT @DirGregHall: Support #indieweb & vote for @Wesleycinema >> http://www.firsts.com/content/vodafone-firsts/gb/voting.html << takes 2secs to click VOTE!! (twitter.com/_/status/514770762876854272)
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@ckswarriorqueen RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514780145107083264)
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: Ordered a server :D going halves with a friend, so was able to go for a good spec!
# ShaneHudson And still only a few pounds more than my crappy VPS lol Just means I need to learn a lot of server admin stuff quickly
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# petermolnar ShaneHudson good luck :) they've been very reliable in my experience but keep an eye out for the disk health since those are all re-used servers
# ShaneHudson Is there a good way to watch disk health otherthan just waiting for it to break?
# petermolnar I can probably help you with the serveradmin things in case you're stuck
# petermolnar I'm using this from a collectd exec: http://www.hdsentinel.com/hard_disk_sentinel_linux.php
# ShaneHudson Cheers :) I've got experience with VPS and data servers but nothing from scratch
# petermolnar you could run in from a cron and grep for the health value; fire up an e-mail or similar if is dropping
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: That looks useful!
# ShaneHudson tommorris: Yeah it really is, and it shows that indieweb is the perfect place for diversity even if we struggle with it at the moment
# petermolnar tommorris I'm half done with that article, currently trying to debug our fax (sic!) system for some failures and the article is looooong
# petermolnar nooo, this is my sysadmin day job
# petermolnar fax-to-personal-website gateway? HELL NO :D
# petermolnar that's a fair point, still NO :D
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tommorris https://www.hellofax.com/ + Dropbox API = way to have a number to fax into and get the bytes to you in a reasonable way
# petermolnar that's one strange hobby :)
# petermolnar I work for a company with 4k fax lines ;)
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# ShaneHudson Would it be worth splitting the entire server into two VPSes or lots of small VPSes?
# ShaneHudson (we are splitting the payments between two of us)
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# alanpearce_ Two definitely
# alanpearce_ More would be up to you
# alanpearce_ Lots of people like to split their dedicated servers up more, but it just depends on how much you want to deal with configuration management systems and the like
# ShaneHudson Does having more make it harder?
# alanpearce_ Well, it's effectively the same as having more machines
# petermolnar try docker or pure lxc for virtualization
# ShaneHudson alanpearce_: So harder to customise but reduces the risks each site has to the rest?
# alanpearce_ Pretty much, yeah.
# ShaneHudson petermolnar: I was looking at lxc, have heard of docker but never used
# alanpearce_ Well, not harder, really
# alanpearce_ Just more tedious.
# petermolnar lxc is surprisingly easy to set up
# petermolnar docker is a bit hipster
# alanpearce_ Multiple machines to log in to, etc.
# alanpearce_ Or use a configuration management system like SaltStack or ansible
# ShaneHudson If we split into two, how hard would it be to make a third later?
# petermolnar if you set LVM up, and do not allocate all space, it will be easy
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# petermolnar otherwise you might end up with not enough space
# alanpearce_ is kind of envious :)
# ShaneHudson Ok, sounds good. Is it as easy to extend one? I presume so?
# petermolnar I have script to copy a base wordpress template so spinning up a new container is 1 to 2 enter(s) fast :)
# ShaneHudson Hah nice
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# petermolnar I've updated that article with a better config that does not need fstab in the container anymore
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@GregF Any #indieweb folks going to be at #wordcampSF? How about a meetup? (twitter.com/_/status/514793781892116480)
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@curiousmitch @alanlepo I like the whole POSSE concept http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE I self installed so still playing with some of the plugins (twitter.com/_/status/514795025189052417)
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@alanlepo My interest in @withknown is based on aggregating comments from multiple syndications into a single stream. #IndieAuth #Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/514797097518772225)
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# @curiousmitch @alanlepo I think you need to set up your authorship info and some of the other items on this page http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started have not had time (twitter.com/_/status/514795817254027265)
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# @curiousmitch @IdoNotes I believe this is a pre-requisite to using some of the other indieweb protocols to aggregate comments, replies, in one place (twitter.com/_/status/514803068362559488)
# @curiousmitch @IdoNotes I think you can aggregate anywhere that supports the indieweb protocols i.e. wordpress via plugins or something like @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/514803361246633984)
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# petermolnar !tell tantek I was wondering had anyone used NewBase60 in, for example, nginx directly, to resolve the url it needs to forward to?
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@SocialSafe If you missed it before, here's our step by step guide on how to download your Facebook Messages: http://www.slideshare.net/socialsafe/how-to-download-all-your-facebook-messages-to-your-own-machine-with-socialsafe #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/514805383228321792)
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# petermolnar oh, I meant an actual C compile-in extension
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# @anomalily Maybe I need to make this "zines are the #indiewebāĀ thing a series. So many interesting questions being raised http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514809806830309376)
# Loqi [mention] http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/24/1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#IndieWeb_Examples (webmention)
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@gRegorLove @joeld Sweet! You should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#IndieWeb_Examples (twitter.com/_/status/514809939907211264)
# Loqi [mention] http://www.udkantsadam.dk/2014/hvorfor-ser-din-side-s-mrkelig-ud-om-known linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@matdryhurst @TCF6edfsdf4c7e7 @MXEXSXH eggsactly. Personally more excited about @withknown #indieweb syndication model (twitter.com/_/status/514823577632133120)
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@tedder42 @stevelle I'm headed here, really. http://indiewebcamp.com/ that's why our euro pics aren't up. (twitter.com/_/status/514828526638215168)
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@kyle_wm I love that @withknown uses Known to provide user support to people trying to set up Known. https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood ftw (twitter.com/_/status/514830210806476800)
# Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/note/2014/09/24/1/i-love-that-known-uses-known-to-provide linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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@withknown RT @kyle_wm: I love that @withknown uses Known to provide user support to people trying to set up Known. https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood ftw (twitter.com/_/status/514832225544581120)
# Loqi [mention] http://btmb.me/s/1r linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# ben_thatmustbeme haha, sweet
# ben_thatmustbeme article posting via micropub now
# ben_thatmustbeme one more step toward removing the admin interface entirely
# KevinMarks___ Nice.
# KevinMarks___ I need to add micropub support to noterlive
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/514830210806476800/227050193 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kyle_wm/514830210806476800/514832225544581120 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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bear here is the debian post: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00220.html
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/514830210806476800/11628 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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# kylewm Ubuntu 12.04 -- yes it does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/4.2-2ubuntu2.2
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# teknotus_ bret: This IRC vps is also a dns server!
# 
finalcut am I missing something? I don't see any reference to a vulnerability with Bash in 2014 on this page: http://www.cvedetails.com/product/21050/GNU-Bash.html?vendor_id=72
# teknotus_ Mark87: It's almost time for 14.10
# bear read the debian post or this redhat article: https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
# teknotus_ I've been working on DevOps stuff to setup my blog, and stuff. I think I can make a tool for other people.
# teknotus_ Takes a clean cloud instance, and sets things up.
# teknotus_ I'm curious what features people would want if made such a thing.
# teknotus_ GWG: $1/month gps?
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# teknotus_ kylewm: So I'm writing software to do the setup. At the moment I'm just installing jekyll, but I can certainly make the setup software install other things.
# Loqi selfdogfood is a specific form of dogfooding, that is, using your own creations on your own personal site that you depend on, day to day http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood
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# teknotus_ Well it started out along the lines of there being domains I own that I don't even have a landing page on at the moment, and I wanted a way to set things up faster so that I'm doing something interesting with them quickly.
# teknotus_ I haven't forgotten. It's just tedius.
# teknotus_ I was a full time sysadmin for a long time.
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# teknotus_ It's good to not forget the disasters.
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# @tedder42 @stevelle this is long, but put on the side, explains indieweb. https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/514854516563259393)
# petermolnar ::sigh:: I was soo happy with the stage of getting things into Grav up until the point I reached the how to export comments... man, handling oldschool comments is a nightmare :/
# petermolnar how would one set up a YAML + Markdown format comment layout which has to be able to store regular ( nested... ) comments, webmentions and track/pingbacks as well?
# petermolnar ( although I might just drop all the nested shit away from years ago )
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@coderstephen Excellent page about avoiding the database "antipattern" http://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern?utm_content=buffer85076&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/514855058656468992)
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# sparverius ugh i just got bit by google
# sparverius ive used G+ photo upload for a while and i cant find an easy way to download all of my photos at full res
# sparverius silo'd
# sparverius mannnn, i was reasonably comfortable with tackling the whole photo thing until later because google has a generally good track record
# 
@pranesh_prakash Some of the most exciting work around #Web standards has been the #indieweb stuff. Here are @t's notes on what's new: http://tantek.com/2014/179/b1/indiewebcamp-thoughts-before-gathering (twitter.com/_/status/514865603752890368)
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# sparverius wait, it's all on takeout
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# sparverius reedstrm: i had a real moment of "FUUUUUUUCK." when i realized i had hundreds of photos with the possibility of downloading them one by one
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# tantek sparverius: please add anything you learn about how hard/easy or caveats the photo export from G+ process has to http://indiewebcamp.com/G+#Exporting_your_data - thanks!
# sparverius tantek: sure
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# petermolnar tantek: you can compile in C code, or use Lua / Perl with plugin
# tantek bear in other words, see https://gist.github.com/otherjoel/9301d985622f0d3d1a09 and replace "email" with "XMPP"
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# tantek petermolnar: there's a Perl implementation of NewBase60 here: http://tantek.com/w/NewBase60#Perl
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Lua" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Lua
# tantek bear, was hoping you might know of a PHP way - so one could fork https://gist.github.com/otherjoel/9301d985622f0d3d1a09 and change it to use XMPP instead of email
# ben_thatmustbeme so i went through a bunch of hassle to get an invite from a friend to Mixi.jp in hopes of adding a piece to brid.gy for it.... and come to find out after you get an invite you actually need to use a japanese cell phone to register
# ben_thatmustbeme GAH
# tantek bear, I wonder if this is worth a section on /webmention - libraries for sending notifications of when you receive webmentions
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/514830210806476800/783092 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mixi.jp" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Mixi.jp
# bear I am making a todo for me tonight to update /webmention with various ways for sending alerts/notifications
# finalcut sparverius: you might be able to use this to download all your photos from Google - https://code.google.com/p/googlecl/
# @anomalily @benwerd At the last PDX #indiewebcamp we were talking about making a āZinester/Comic artist guide to getting started the DIY Indie WebāĀ (twitter.com/_/status/514880476285116416)
# sparverius finalcut: thanks, but takeout did the job
# sparverius this is why i continue to pour data into google and slowly switch things over one-by-one rather than triaging hard
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@danlyke RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514882248013651968)
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@indiewebcamp RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514882672670547968)
# ben_thatmustbeme what is Mixi.jp
# ben_thatmustbeme what is Mixi
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/gRegorLove/514809939907211264/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#IndieWeb_Examples (webmention)
# ben_thatmustbeme what is Mixi
# Loqi Mixi.jp is a popular content hosting silo and activity aggregator which is the most popular social network in Japan http://indiewebcamp.com/Mixi
# ben_thatmustbeme what is Mixi.jp
# Loqi Mixi.jp is a popular content hosting silo and activity aggregator which is the most popular social network in Japan http://indiewebcamp.com/Mixi.jp
# ben_thatmustbeme I'll bet they've tried
# ben_thatmustbeme FB is catching up in JP, but Mixi still has more people on it
# ben_thatmustbeme actively on it, that is
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@myfreeweb RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514883808907526147)
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@dangillmor RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514883855858163712)
# ben_thatmustbeme 2004 according to wikipedia
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/514830210806476800/235193328 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
# @myfreeweb @anomalily looks like your website doesn't use any #indieweb technology. and does use official [tracking] facebook and g+ like buttons :( (twitter.com/_/status/514885113034067969)
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/514664582317899776/235193328 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@mathewi RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514886099374981120)
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@aaronpk @myfreeweb Looks like your website isn't linked from your Twitter profile! #indieweb /cc @anomalily (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/24/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/514886111991058432)
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# @myfreeweb @SaraJChipps nah, #indieweb is the new cool thing, and it's basically blogs (twitter.com/_/status/514887206142767105)
# tantek @myfreeweb @SaraJChipps #indieweb is much more beyond blogs: http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization
# Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/24/2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/24/2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-24-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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# petermolnar we all are, we remember the internet before Facebook.. some even before Google...
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@_jden RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514889712385789952)
# anomalily Haha. I guess we are officially old if we remember searching the internet before google
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@meandave2020 RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/514889957014388736)
# Loqi anomalily: tantek left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: Known is the best answer right now to https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/514496421262028801 - it can publish indie events, and if you manually POSSE your indie event to FB, you can get RSVPs sent back to your site from FB via Bridgy.
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# @kevinmarks @katelosse that's part of the point of #indieweb - no central point of failure (twitter.com/_/status/514892381854785536)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this ello thing I keep seeing talked about" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=this+ello+thing+I+keep+seeing+talked+about
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# tantek.com created /RunKeeper (+981) "stub with dfn, see also, criticism, quote aaronpk post about lack of https" (view diff)
# KevinMarks Ello is a blogging silo. It has a follow model, Markdown posts and a very bootstrap look
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@katelosse @mmmelk it's like, a thing of the week in SF, not sure if it will be more than that... (twitter.com/_/status/514891937158275072)
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# KevinMarks Don't try using it on mobile, very desktop centric
# KevinMarks No rel me, no api, no export,
# tantek.com edited /Ello (+690) "dfn, add Criticism section with summary of KevinMarks's critiques" (view diff)
# KevinMarks Certainly confirmation that integrated reading drives usage
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# @aaronpk @myfreeweb (or do you even have a website?) #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/24/4/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/514897054967947264)
# anomalily The Ello thing is being rapidly adopted by queers
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# anomalily And we all know that once the gays leave the neighborhood/facebook, it's gone
# pauloppenheim wat
# pauloppenheim what did i just walk into
# anomalily Pretty much my entire queer facebook friends list has left for ello/is threatening to
# anomalily Yea, that's why it's taking off. Because of the Real Name policy & drag queens
# anomalily @tommorris ;)
# anomalily Their "beta" launch for Ello was just perfectly timed with the storm that's happening with Facebook Real Name Policy
# pauloppenheim ok, for some reason I thought I walked into the indieweb haters conversation from yesterday, got the fear
# pauloppenheim no, i read about twitter wars with some working group
# pauloppenheim when i was reading backscroll
# anomalily tommorris ++
# pauloppenheim this ello sounds pretty cool, but feels like tumblr
# pauloppenheim the ideology has become mainstream
# pauloppenheim tantek: just yesterday's logs, maybe i was reading it wrong
# KevinMarks_ ello has a friendster feel to me at the moment
# KevinMarks_ not quite but it is about to hit a scaling cliff
# pauloppenheim it seems snappy for viewing still
# pauloppenheim so good on them, handling a mass exodus like that
# KevinMarks_ not snappy on mobile at all
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# KevinMarks_ KNown doesn't have a reader+follower model yet
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# 
@ChrisAldrich Thanks @LeoLaporte for supporting the #IndieWeb on TWiG last week http://twit.tv/show/this-week-in-google/266 (twitter.com/_/status/514901279508688896)
# KevinMarks_ I think part of the interest in ello is the novelty of reconstructing a follow graph, as people haven't done that in a few years
# KevinMarks_ right, the gmail playbook
# KevinMarks_ means that people need to talk about it on other media
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# 
bret___ no writing hour tonight: http://calagator.org/events/1250467031
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/514830210806476800/139199211 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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# anomalily I think the issue with the idea of an indieweb reader+follow model that exported data from facebook & then shut your FB identity is that they've shut down services before that delete your profile for TOS violations
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# Loqi [mention] https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/indieweb-beyond-blog linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization (webmention)
# 
@kartik_prabhu @myfreeweb @SaraJChipps #indieweb is much more than blogs see: http://indiewebcamp.com/#Beyond_Blogging_and_Decentralization and maybe https://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog (twitter.com/_/status/514915200437207040)
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# KartikPrabhu i just copied your comment form IRC ;)
# KartikPrabhu :P
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