#indiewebcamp 2014-09-25

2014-09-25 UTC
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KartikPrabhu
tommorris: what was the link to your live mf2py tester?
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KartikPrabhu
err. wrong channel but oh well
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tantek
just realized I can add more to "different"
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tantek
that may help with recent Twitter storms
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KartikPrabhu
what is different?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "different" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=different
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tantek
I'm editing !
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KartikPrabhu
as there is no HWC-Chicago I am thinking of writing a h-feed to Atom converter
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tantek.com
edited /community (+14) "see also commons"
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tantek.com
edited /community-brainstorming (+50) "linky linky"
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tantek.com
created /Community (+23) "r"
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KartikPrabhu
thanks tommorris
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tantek.com
edited /different (+541) "dfn, subheads, distinguish from company"
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tantek.com
edited /ind.ie (+16) "see also indie, distinct"
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tantek.com
created /distinct (+23) "r"
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tantek
KartikPrabhu, tommorris for your review: http://indiewebcamp.com/different
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KartikPrabhu
tommorris: gives internal server error on my website https://kartikprabhu.com
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tantek.com
edited /different (-4) "/* Indie but not a company */ indie tech in quotes"
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tommorris
KartikPrabhu: will have a look at soon. can you file a bug on github to remind me? :)
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bret___
tantek: any objections to chaining re-use to share?
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tantek
"waiting for platform.linkedin.com" - due to a <script src="http://platform.linkedin.com/in.js"> sigh
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tantek
bret - huh?
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tantek
brb - need to get coffee before HWC
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bret___
on http://indiewebcamp.com/different change to : ""indie technology" and does share some indieweb principles"
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tantek
ah - that - ok - sure. I put "re-use" to strongly indicate the temporal order, and since Aral started ind(.)ie *after* helping co-organize IndieWebCampUK 2013
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tantek
though that might be worth just documenting on /ind.ie
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bret___
i think thats better
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tantek
as well as citing his blog post
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tantek
on different from
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tommorris
KartikPrabhu: thanks. will look into soon
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KartikPrabhu
gives up on h-feed -> Atom too much work and working around Atom spec
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verdi
tantek_: what room are you all in?
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mko
Hi all. I'm HWCing from home if anyone is IRC-transcribing.
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bear
tommorris, KartikPrabhu -- I just commented on that issue - IIRC python-requests latest version solves that issue
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kylewm
verdi: tantek went to get coffee, he might not be back yet?
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KartikPrabhu
bear: thanks!
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bear
and with older versions you can "fix" it by installing pyOpenSSL, ndg-httpsclient and pyasn1
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bear
updates issue with that info
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verdi
kylewm: thanks - found him - we're in the common room on the first floor
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tantek
verdi - looks like your icon in the logs broke - due to changing your Twitter avatar (they deleted the old one) there's a way to dynamically link to your latest Twitter avatar: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Profile_Image_URLs
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bret___
Hey dietrich in here
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dietrich
portland is on vidyo! tantek___ let me know when you want to do AV check
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bret___
nice turnout in pdx this week! :)
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bret___
just to get names/urls out there:
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expandrew
andrew: http://expandrew.com
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bret___
Jennifer Rondeau: http://yourmom.io
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@t
Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
(twitter.com/_/status/514950319152046080)
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tantek
greetings from SF
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tantek
there's only 3 of us here
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tantek
this week is a quiet one for us
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tantek
we've been busy writing away :)
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tantek
or rather, writing houring away ;)
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dietrich
bah, i can't remember how to refer to myself in the wiki
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benatkin
tantek: I jst found out about it
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benatkin
tantek: at Coffee Haus in Mission now
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tantek
dietrich, try {{dietrich}} :)
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dietrich
tantek: woo thanks :D
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dietrich
hm, nope
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bret___
jjuran: is in pdx with us
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dietrich
just renders Template:myname
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jjuran
I drove from Seattle
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tantek
dietrich click on that and then click on http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:t&action=edit and copy and paste and replace with your deets :)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
(twitter.com/_/status/514951546837037056)
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dietrich
tantek: grazie
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bret___
tantek: eta on video link?
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metafluff.com
created /Template:dietrich (+148) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://twitter.com/dietrich/profile_image}}[[User:metafluff.com|Dietrich Ayala" target="_blank">User:metafluff.com|Dietrich" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/dietrich/profile_image}}[[User:metafluff.com|Dietrich Ayala]]</span>""
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dietrich
tantek: can you hear us?
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bret___
we can hear you!
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equivalentideas
listening in from Sydney :)
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tantek
excellent!
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bret___
Paul Munday is also here: http://paulmunday.net/
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tantek
what is gitpub?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "gitpub" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=gitpub
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dietrich
one click deploy for github - "fork and go"
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dietrich
bret___ speaking
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tantek
benatkin - sorry to miss you!
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dietrich
heroku deploy buttons
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tantek
we do this every other Wednesday 18:30-19:30
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@kid_OYO
RT @t: Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
(twitter.com/_/status/514953565954400256)
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dietrich
instead of community hub, applications can be deployed directly
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dietrich
jennifer speaking
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bret___
Jennifer is here for the scone time and has wordpress up and running
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bret___
If you do wordpress stuff and want to help people get started, she's looking for pointers
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bret___
Andrew: a student at epicodus
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bret___
still figuring out what to do
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bret___
Josh: moved to seattle recently!
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bret___
drove to pdx from seattel for this!
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@kid_OYO
agreed @t @anomalily "The end goal of both zine and #indieweb technologies is ownership of your own identity without a filter." RT @OYOid
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tantek
congrats on the new job Josh!
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bret___
starting to work at ripple, an open protocol for financial transactions
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jjuran
Fornaxis: A portable, distributed programming system <http://www.fornaxis.org/>
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bret___
Tantek, tantek.com
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bret___
planning on doing an nyc HWC!
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bret___
Tell brianlovewords
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jjuran
Freemount: A latency-optimized network filesystem protocol <http://www.freemount.org/>
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bret___
tantek: cochairing the w3c social wg
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bret___
We broadcast on the indieweb room in vidyo
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tantek
Michael Verdi here in SF
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tantek
new domain! x627.com
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tantek
Dan Lyke - flutterby.com and flutterby.net
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tantek
built a system that goes through /irc-people, extracts URLs, looks for feeds, and tracks inbound links from those to flutterby.net!
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tantek
also noted had an immediate negative reaction to webmention upon first reading
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tantek
but now thinking about ways to distribute webs of trusted URLs and trusted comments
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tantek
if anybody has ideas on that..
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tantek
is also spidering these things once a day, thinking of dumping them into a database and setting up a full text search for it all
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jjuran
Freemount now has resumable downloads
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bret___
talking about a recap of IWC UK 14
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equivalentideas
I've been involved in some discussions about federated archives where web mentions came up http://rkroundtable.org/2014/09/24/what-do-records-do-in-peoples-lives-that-nothing-else-does/ I talked about indiewebcamp as an example of a community self-dog-fooding there way through :)
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bret___
full round trip web actions
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bret___
... go to someones blog, they have a reply button, and the browser takes you to your micro pub client
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bret___
... uses webcomponants and frames..
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tantek
check out /indie-config for some more details
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@firasd
RT @t: Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
(twitter.com/_/status/514956953760436226)
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tantek
is ello the new app.net?
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tantek
what is ello?
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Loqi
Ello is microblogging silo similar to Twitter or Tumblr for posting short status update notes and pictures http://indiewebcamp.com/Ello
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kylewm
doesn't seem nearly as promising as app.net :(
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kylewm
bret___: make sure tallpaul sees that zine article
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bret___
kylewm: will do
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tantek
check out http://dbaron.org/ for a great long-lived example of static HTML file based blog
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bret___
can you link those long lived blogs?
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expandrew
"my other CMS is Apache" - tantek
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tantek
here's how you can start a new HTML5 static file
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tantek
<!doctype html><html><head><meta charset=utf-8><title>hello world</title></head><body><p>This is a sentence.</p></body></html>
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expandrew
:D
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bret___
Continuos integration + interpretation
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tantek
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't accept that pull request."
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tantek
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@ckzon
RT @dietrich: Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla Portland+SF tonight. #indieweb. Portrait by @bretolius. http://bret.io/2014/09/25/hwc/ http://t.co/X…
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@bretolius
RT @dietrich: Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla Portland+SF tonight. #indieweb. Portrait by @bretolius. http://bret.io/2014/09/25/hwc/ http://t.co/X…
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thelocalyarn.com
created /User:Thelocalyarn.com (+62) "initial content"
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@gasull
RT @t: Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
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thelocalyarn.com
edited /webmention (+800) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add Joel D./thelocalyarn.com example"
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@eraycakir
RT @t: Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
(twitter.com/_/status/514984111245889536)
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@SugithVarughese
Agent laughed out loud at my web series pilot, but doesn't know how to sell it because it's the wild west.Self-produce?#Webseries #indieweb
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp!
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jenmontes.com
created /diversity (+4813) "Wrote this to counter-balance the energy that has been spent differentiating "indie web" and "ind.ie""
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jenmontes.com
edited /diversity (+6) "/* Within Indie Web Camp */ Fixing internal links"
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KartikPrabhu
evening tantek
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KartikPrabhu
looks like we have a /diversity page now
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KartikPrabhu
how do I give internet points to Jenmontes?
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kylewm
cuibonobo++
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Loqi
cuibonobo has 6 karma
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kylewm
(that's how KartikPrabhu)
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KartikPrabhu
aah didn't know her nick off the top of my head
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KartikPrabhu
cuibonobo++ for diversity page
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Loqi
cuibonobo has 7 karma
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KartikPrabhu
general question: indiewebcamp has a lot of female participation but hardly any of them are active on the IRC channel. What is the reason for this? more importantly how to rectify it?
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tantek
cuibonobo++ thank you for drafting /diversity - great start, analysis, and suggestions
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Loqi
cuibonobo has 8 karma
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I've had some women friends inform me that they have had bad experiences in the past on IRC (not on #indiewebcamp in particular, but rather seemingly on other IRC channels in general)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: it seems women have been instinctively turned off to internet group communication which is very bad
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I don't know enough to confirm or reject that broader generalization.
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KartikPrabhu
of course anecdotal
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tantek
counter evidence is of course Twitter, which is internet group communication of another sort, with fairly diverse participation
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KartikPrabhu
but it is a problem since most interaction takes place here on IRC and it gives the impression that indiewebcamp is run by "white males"
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: one of the reasons I suggested the updates to our IRC logs to include faces/logos is to make it more transparent in that regard, and dispell at least implied impressions of "run by white males" and instead provide more data for more informed opinions.
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KartikPrabhu
aah good.
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tantek
btw - my experience is that email lists for example are no better, often worse, both in terms of participation, and tone/length of dialog.
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KartikPrabhu
of course not. email lists tend to be more confrontational and downright idiotic at times
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KartikPrabhu
IRC being "live" helps a lot in that regard
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tantek
right. and all of that IMO tend to make email lists even more unfriendly to minority and marginalized groups.
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KartikPrabhu
and from personal experience, having your computer connected all the time to the internet is not something that happens in the developing world at all
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KartikPrabhu
so IRC has that bias too
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tantek
it does - hence having good logs (better presentation than clients even) is essential
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: true. but how many new arrivals look at the logs for such information. How does someone new decide if indieweb is diverse? not by looking at the logs
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KartikPrabhu
some how the "first impression" needs to be diversified
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jjuran
tantek: There are IRC channels I'll never go back to.
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KartikPrabhu
jjuran: of course. IRCs are not immune to being abusive. It depends on the people involved
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tantek
having blog posts like anomalily's http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ is also helpful
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KartikPrabhu
is that linked from /diversity and post_about
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KartikPrabhu
hmm it is on post_about
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KartikPrabhu
nice concise article advocating build then iterate on usage patterns philosophy: http://alistapart.com/blog/post/it-was-just-a-thing
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tantek
!tell KevinMarks,benwerd I won't be in SF to host 2014-10-08 HWC, could you work with (KevinMarks, benwerd) to host https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-08-homebrew-website-club in SF? Thanks! -t
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks
I may still be unable to go by then
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@gigabytemag
RT @dietrich: Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla Portland+SF tonight. #indieweb. Portrait by @bretolius. http://bret.io/2014/09/25/hwc/ http://t.co/X…
(twitter.com/_/status/515038590414643200)
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Loqi
KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: I won't be in SF to host 2014-10-08 HWC, could you work with (KevinMarks, benwerd) to host https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-08-homebrew-website-club in SF? Thanks! -t
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ShaneHudson
Any server experts around?
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KevinMarks
I'm not a server expert, but tell me the problem anyway
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alanpearce_
Also not an expert, but I can be helpful :)
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ShaneHudson
Setting it up on Ubuntu (just because the two of us are familar with it), chosen RAID 5 over 3 HDDs and now trying to decide if I need LVM or not
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alanpearce_
I would prefer ZFS, but if you're going with Linux, then LVM is probably reasonable enough
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alanpearce_
(I know ZFS does work on Linux, but I don't think I'd trust it as much as I do on FreeBSD)
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ShaneHudson
Ah ok, the installer I'm using (cheating I know lol) that comes with the server only has LVM or no LVM as options
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ShaneHudson
Hah that could get confusing
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alanpearce_
But yeah, LVM means you can start with small partitions, which should help you out if you want to create more VMs/containers/jails/etc later
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ShaneHudson
Ok cool, I will use that then :) cheers
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alanpearce_
ZFS doesn't work in the same way, which is why I like it. All filesystems (there are no partitions in ZFS) share the same pool of space unless you cut things up with quotas and reservations. Much simpler to think about :D
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ShaneHudson
Oh yeah that makes sense
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alanpearce_
It does until you look at FS output for the first time and you find that somehow your 1TB drive shows 1TB free in 10 places :)
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alanpearce_
And then there's the compression to confuse the numbers even more. The numbers just feel really 'hand-wavy'
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petermolnar
ZFS is brilliant but can be problematic to get it on linux :)
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ShaneHudson
How come? Linux and BSD are so similar, what issues does it have?
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alanpearce_
It's under a different (GPL-incompatible) license for one, so it can never go in the mainline kernel
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alanpearce_
And it's actually a port from Solaris into BSD
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alanpearce_
People are working on it as a separate module though: http://zfsonlinux.org/
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jonnybarnes
alanpearce_: have you changed ssl cert recently, I get a "sec_error_ocsp_invalid_signing_cert" error on https://alanpearce.uk on firefox
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alanpearce_
Hmm, yeah.
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alanpearce_
I haven't changed it very recently.
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petermolnar
that might as well indicat that the signer's cert you're chaining was revoked
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alanpearce_
I'm caching OCSP staple responses for a day
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petermolnar
s/indicat/indicate
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Loqi
petermolnar meant to say: that might as well indicate that the signer's cert you're chaining was revoked
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alanpearce_
Chrome doesn't do it :S
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petermolnar
chrome has this setting off by default
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alanpearce_
is confused
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alanpearce_
I renewed my OCSP staple and it shows fine in openssl
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alanpearce_
` Not After : Sep 23 10:12:02 2014 GMT` in an intermediate cert
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alanpearce_
couldn't remember how many 'a's in "SHAAAAAAAAAAAAA" :/
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@djp1974
RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/
(twitter.com/_/status/515079728244338689)
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@ShaneHudson
@ckswarriorqueen @anomalily If you have any suggestions, just tag it #indieweb and we will all see :) We are all willing to help!
(twitter.com/_/status/515080097762516993)
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barnabywalters
good European morning #indiewebcamp
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ShaneHudson
Good morning barnabywalters :)
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alanpearce_
Hmm, now I'm really confused.
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alanpearce_
None of my cert files (including intermediates) have that expiry date
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petermolnar
11:11 here, it's way passed morning, but good one for you as well :)
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petermolnar
alanpearce_ could it be that chrome has the intermediate locally while FF fetches it from somewhere and that is revoked/invalid?
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alanpearce_
Found it.
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alanpearce_
Nginx doesn't refresh an SSL stapling file that's fetched outside of it until it's reloaded.
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alanpearce_
So it was using a really stale staple.
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jonnybarnes
oh, is the simple fix to restart the nginx service?
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alanpearce_
I had a cron job already fetching a new staple every day
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petermolnar
by the way, all upgrade your bash for the patched version
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jonnybarnes
jokes on you, I use zsh
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petermolnar
do you have bash installed or is it default for ssh?
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alanpearce_
Thanks petermolnar, jonnybarnes :)
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jonnybarnes
i have bash installed as well, but my login is set to use zsh
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rascul
if you use zsh for you login shell that's fine, but are you certain bash isn't called elsewhere?
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jonnybarnes
i still need to update tjough i think
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ShaneHudson
Yeah worth updating regardless
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jonnybarnes
a .sh file can still start #!/bin/bash
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jonnybarnes
and thus run with bash
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rascul
http-header[Host] = () { :; }; rm -rf /var/www
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petermolnar
as far as I'm aware, nginx will just laugh at that
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rascul
is one way the bash vulnerability can get you
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rascul
petermolnar no, it won't
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petermolnar
how come? I cannot run cgi
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rascul
nginx can't directly, but if you're using uwsgi to run cgi or something...
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Loqi
petermolnar meant to say: how come? itcannot run cgi
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petermolnar
no, php only
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jonnybarnes
alanpearce_just confirming i can get on your site now
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rascul
plus it's not immediately realized the scope of this, there's probably ways to pass that to bash that we're not realizing yet
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alanpearce_
jonnybarnes++
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Loqi
jonnybarnes has 3 karma
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rascul
but not using cgi is a pretty good step in the right direction regardless :)
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rascul
all the major distros have pushed out updates to bash by now, but there's another cve because the patch wasn't complete
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petermolnar
I have the security updates on autoinstall, so even if I forget today, it will be on the machines tomorrow
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rascul
it's also been noted that bash stuff can be executed via dhcp
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petermolnar
I'm only worried about openssh
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rascul
probably harder to get it with ssh because it requires authentication
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jonnybarnes
anyone know nay decent guides to get ocsp stapling working on nginx?
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alanpearce_
I was writing one for a while.
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alanpearce_
When I realised that I'd got something stupid wrong when verifying it :D
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alanpearce_
I should write up the little bits at some point.
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alanpearce_
Shut up Loqi!
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alanpearce_
jonnybarnes: Test with `echo ^D | openssl s_client -connect jonnybarnes.uk:443 -CAfile /opt/local/etc/openssl/cert.pem -servername jonnybarnes.uk -tls1_2 -status | grep OCSP`
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alanpearce_
Although you'll need to replace ^D with an actual EOF, which you can get with ctrl-v ctrl-d usually
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alanpearce_
(it usually shows up as inverted when it's correct)
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rascul
i've got ocsp stuff in there
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alanpearce_
rascul: Might want to put `charset UTF-8;` in there :)
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rascul
that's just for the ssl stuff, which i'll add to /nginx eventually
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rascul
charset wasn't really in that scope when i wrote it up
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jonnybarnes
ok, what should the file specified in ssl_trusted_certificate be, at the moment mine is the full chain, i.e. `root cert + intermediate cert + my sites cert`
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alanpearce_
jonnybarnes: cat $intermediate $root
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alanpearce_
I don't know why it's that way around.
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jonnybarnes
right, ok
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rascul
jonnybarnes don't forget to check you setup with https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
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@parzzix
I think my @withknown is set up right...if some of my #indieweb friends can reply to this to see if things work .. http://timapple.com/2014/i-think-my-withknown-is-set-up-rightif-some-of
(twitter.com/_/status/515096005986234368)
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jonnybarnes
right, will try and sort OCSP out this afternoon
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jonnybarnes
in the mean time, a charity car-wash awaits :)
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hmans
I've tagged Pants r105, adding follower/following tracking via webmention and rel-following/rel-follower: https://github.com/hmans/pants/releases/tag/r105
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barnabywalters
hmans: awesome! pretty sure that’s the first time anyone’s implemented webmention + rel-following consumption!
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Loqi
hmans has 9 karma
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Loqi
hmans has 10 karma
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ben_thatmust
i'll have to look in to adding support in openblog
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ben_thatmust
so you currently aggregate posts from everyone you are following?
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barnabywalters
hmans: given someone’s pants homepage, how should I discover the “following” page?
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hmans
barnabywalters, not implemented yet because I haven't really made up my mind regarding the best route to take. I'd prefer to mark up the link in the main navigation with some rel attribute, but I'm not sure.
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voxpelli
hmans: cool addition!
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hmans
Besides probably having to rename Pants (sigh), here's a high-level roadmap I posted earlier, in case anyone is following the project: http://hmans.io/grv862
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ben_thatmust
hmans, i saw that. How about renaming it Shorts? *grin*
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ShaneHudson
Or 'Not Pants', with a logo of P/=NP ;)
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barnabywalters
hmans: underpants!
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barnabywalters
reader-focused UI/backend brainstorming of the rel-followers thing, if anyone’s interested: https://github.com/barnabywalters/shrewdness/issues/6#issuecomment-56810334
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petermolnar
my own WordPress: post_meta table, ~13k entries O.O
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ShaneHudson
Hah that sounds like quite a few
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ShaneHudson
I think I've successfully set up a 50/50 split on the server with lxc :) Just need to add to ip tables
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ShaneHudson
Sadly, this is the easy bit lol. Migration is always horrid
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alanpearce_
http://ferm.foo-projects.org is nice if you want a configuration file for iptables
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barnabywalters
ew iptables
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alanpearce_
Yeah, I don't like it much either :)
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barnabywalters
remember to keep a ssh connection open all the time and test reconnection in another session, to avoid locking yourself out :)
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ShaneHudson
I'm not too good with iptables, was just going to add forwarding to lxc
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petermolnar
iptables is not that bad, unless you're doing it from a legacy shell script ::shivers::
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alanpearce_
barnabywalters: That's what I like about ferm, it has a flag which reverts the config if you don't/can't type 'yes'
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ShaneHudson
alanpearce_: Oh that sounds useful lol
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ShaneHudson
How easy is it to move from Apache to Nginx? My old/current server is on apache so migrating will be less hassle if I install apache but would love to change over sometime in the future
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alanpearce_
Depends what you're running
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alanpearce_
No, your site(s)
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alanpearce_
PHP/Python/etc
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ShaneHudson
Ah right, quite a few different things
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ShaneHudson
Well mostly all PHP
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petermolnar
ShaneHudson it's fairly easy
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alanpearce_
It's a bit of a jump to go from mod_php to php-fpm but well worth it IMO
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alanpearce_
PHP will run its own service instead
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ShaneHudson
Ok, I will do that then :) Apache for now but change over later on
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alanpearce_
Blergh, htaccess
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alanpearce_
ShaneHudson: It's less open than Nginx, but you might also consider OpenLitespeed, it strives to be a drop-in replacement for Apache and it's got a configuration web interface
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alanpearce_
Well, near-drop-in
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petermolnar
just stick to nginx :)
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alanpearce_
Eh, I dunno, I don't like the way Nginx 'plus' is going
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petermolnar
agreed, but they need to make money somehow
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ShaneHudson
Heh yeah it is tempting to just stick to nginx, but I know apache quite well and would make migration harer
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alanpearce_
On the other hand, now would be the easiest time for you to do it
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alanpearce_
(assuming you haven't repointed things already)
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ShaneHudson
This is true
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ShaneHudson
Meh, might as well do it :)
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alanpearce_
That's the spirit :)
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Mark87
does anyone hav eany suggestions one what post editor to use for a custom blog?
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Mark87
something more advanced than textarea but easy to implement?
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Mark87
raw html output is fine
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ShaneHudson
I don't have a suggestion but have a look around, I am sure there are plenty of good editors :)
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Mark87
yea i've been exposed to a few before, but i was just curious if anyone had any experience before i decide
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neuro`
Mark87: depends. I like the way we're going on publify (demo at demo.publify.co/admin/content/new admin / admin), and we'll integrate zenpen
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ShaneHudson
Well Nginx appears to be working. Now to get some fresh air!
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tantek
well good morning active #indiewebcamp channel!
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petermolnar
good morning
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alanpearce_
Afternoon tantek
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tantek
goes to read irc log on the web instead of backscroll :)
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neuro`
Good morning tantek
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tantek
what is ZFS?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ZFS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ZFS
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tantek
what is LVM?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "LVM" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=LVM
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tantek
what is OCSP?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OCSP" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=OCSP
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tantek
is having trouble relating this morning's conversation to indieweb - is this all somehow related to /https ?
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alanpearce_
Some HTTPS, some hosting
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tantek
alanpearce_: would be great if you (and maybe ShaneHudson ? ) could create some of those pages ^^^ with short one sentence definition and how it applies to the indieweb.
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tantek
what is pants?
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Loqi
Pants is the name of the software User:hmans.io is developing http://indiewebcamp.com/pants
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tantek
what is openblog?
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Loqi
OpenBlog is an open source blogging platform currently under development by ben.thatmustbe.me http://indiewebcamp.com/OpenBlog
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reedstrm
tantek - the value of context sensitive data - google probably has a very different answer to '
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reedstrm
what is pants' :-)
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alanpearce_
Well, I don't think ZFS or LVM are really relevant unless you're part of the very few campers using dedicated servers
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ShaneHudson
Hey tantek, I'm just heading off out but can sort the pages out when I get back :)
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tantek
ShaneHudson: thanks much!
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hmans
pants \o/
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ShaneHudson
Perhaps Loqi needs to fallback to wikipedia?
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alanpearce_
Loqipedia. :)
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tantek
alanpearce: it's worth a summary stub page even for just those campers :)
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reedstrm
ShaneHudson: not a bad idea
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alanpearce_
Really? IMO they'd be better off going somewhere else which is more likely to have high-quality content
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tantek
ShaneHudson: thought about the wikipedia fallback - but then that doesn't answer the question of - how does this relate to the indieweb?
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tantek
which a wiki page on indiewebcamp.com should answer in the summary definition of the term
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ShaneHudson
True but the tools we use to enable indieweb are not indieweb themselves.
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tantek
e.g. ZFS stands for Z-something File System and is one of the options for indieweb sites maintained on dedicated [[web hosting]] servers.
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tantek
(or something)
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reedstrm
and why an indieweb person might care
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ShaneHudson
Right I really am off now, speak soon :)
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tantek
reedstrm++ right, that!
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Loqi
reedstrm has 3 karma
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tantek
otherwise the conversation seems detached from the subject area
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tantek
(even though I do assume it's not detached, it's just not obvious to an observer who may be less technical)
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alanpearce_
Hmm, I think I kind of understand why now.
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alanpearce_
Still makes more sense to me to do my own research, but maybe I'm just strange.
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tantek
alanpearce_: re: somewhere else which is more likely to have high-quality content <-- right - our stub pages can simply link to that instead of copy/pasting!
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tantek
and our stub pages can simply provide the *context* of how this applies to the indieweb.
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alanpearce_
Alright. I'll get back to work first though—haven't really been productive at all today :(
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tantek
sorry to hear that! better luck with the rest of the day!
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alanpearce_
Thanks :)
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tantek
what is mod_php?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "mod_php" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=mod_php
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tantek
what is php-fpm?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "php-fpm" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=php-fpm
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tantek
what is htaccess?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "htaccess" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=htaccess
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tantek
what is OpenLitespeed?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OpenLitespeed" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=OpenLitespeed
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tantek
I think I can try starting that last one
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tantek.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek uses "what is " as a todo list :)
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tantek.com
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: a *collective* todo list for us the community ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme
so its more like //TODO:
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alanpearce_
It's not very queryable. :(
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alanpearce_
h-todo > p-entry :D
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tantek
the more stubs for such jargon we can document and relate to the indieweb, the friendlier we make it to new folks who may not understand what's going on
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk, get on that
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tommorris.org
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tommorris.org
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@jmenglund03
@parzzix @withknown Replying to #indieweb test post...how did it work?
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dlyke
Don't know how many of us are mucking about with Known, but Marcus Povey just published a LinkedIn plugin: https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2014/09/25/linkedin-syndication-support-for-known/
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dlyke
(I'd guess that fewer are using LinkedIn than Known, but...)
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tommorris
Everytime I want to use LinkedIn, I want to run away screaming.
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tommorris
Their emails are ludicrously dark-pattern-ish. "People are looking at your profile" read a recent subject line. :)
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tantek
yeah, that's not creepy at all!
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tantek
what is LinkedIn?
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Loqi
LinkedIn is a special-purpose silo for hosting your professional resume / history http://indiewebcamp.com/LinkedIn
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tantek
tommorris: please do add that ^^^ to a /LinkedIn#Criticism section
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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petermolnar
tommorris in LinkedIns case you do want people to check your CV that is how you get a job, so I seriously disagree with that
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tommorris
petermolnar: sure, but it's the way the emails are phrased. I believe they used to be "Some recent visitors to your profile" and they've changed them now to "people are looking at your profile". it's designed to creep you out over your own profile
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petermolnar
this might also be something that I don't feel as bad as you, probably due to not being English language native
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
tommorris++ for starting these pages
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Loqi
tommorris has 54 karma
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is hmans?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "hmans" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=hmans
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tantek
hey hmans! add an icon to your entry in http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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tantek
and then click on your link there and start a User: page! :)
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tantek.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is tantek
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Loqi
Tantek Çelik is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp and works on open web standards at Mozilla http://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme
whatis ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ben_thatmustbeme" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ben_thatmustbeme
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petermolnar
seems like that only works for the old gods
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tommorris
what is tommorris
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "tommorris" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=tommorris
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tommorris
I was hoping for "a drunk and a cancer on human sanity". Oh well.
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ben_thatmustbeme
tommorris, its just a redirect to his user: page
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ben_thatmustbeme
you could do that too
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KevinMarks__
Hmans: Why is it no longer pants? You can have this old logo I made Check out @kevinmarks's Tweet: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/426104313224511488
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tommorris
My screen is filled with pants.
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hmans
KevinMarks__, there's another open source project called Pants, developed by Twitter (among others), ironically
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tommorris.org
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KevinMarks__
Could loqi return user pages for "who is x? "
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KevinMarks__
Oh, so they're edging you out on SEO?
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ben_thatmustbeme
Kevinmarks__ that would be nice, it should be able to look up user pages by irc-people
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hmans
KevinMarks, nah, nothing at all is happening so far, but if it helps avoid confusion (and a potential dispute at a later stage), I'm happy to find a new name for my projec.t
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hmans
Pants isn't really the best name ever, either.
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hmans
So it's all good.
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tantek
hmans - I think Pants is a great name for your project! :)
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KevinMarks__
It is rather pejorative in UK English
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tantek
KevinMarks: I think you meant "ironic" ;)
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hmans
Well, Pants (the other project) is a joint effort between Twitter, Square, and *Foursquare*, so I was tempted to rename my Pants to Swarm, just to piss them off.
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hmans
Which would be a perfect name really.
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hmans
Except they'll sue me and I'll be all sad and stuff.
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tantek
in all aspects, how they're displayed realtime while the song is playing, the use of mini mini icons displayed under the song itself etc.
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tantek
anyone know of anyone else doing such realtime media fragment comment-presentation?
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KevinMarks__
Not on mobile though
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tantek
what is comment-presentation?
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KevinMarks__
The thing is a lot of them aren't actually tied to a time, they were just typed in whilst the song was playing
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tantek
are time-index comments fragmentions of another sort?
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KevinMarks__
Kind of - there is already a media fragments spec for those
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tantek
KevinMarks: there's a separate "normal" comments display below
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tantek
KevinMarks: does soundcloud (or anyone) use that media fragments spec ? I mean, any real world examples?
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KevinMarks__
I think YouTube supports it
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barnabywalters
tantek: I think kartikprabhu left a media fragments comment on https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4SYMoz/ which I was going to try to do soundcloud-esque presentation of, but there’s some bug preventing it from working
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tantek
what is a media fragment?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "media fragment" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=media+fragment
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tantek
KevinMarks, barnabywalters ^^^ have at it :)
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barnabywalters
additionally, that note is POSSEd (manually) to soundcloud, so there’s potential for backfeed of positional media comments too
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tantek
yeah! capture that too!
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barnabywalters
has to get actual work done now, will braindump there later
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tantek
copy paste from IRC at least?
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shanehudson.net
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ShaneHudson
what is shanehudson
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ShaneHudson
Interesting, didn't follow the redirect
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@kevinmarks
» @dimensionmedia: "About 50% of the WordPress mobile app is the XML parsing library." @nacin #apistrat« legacy tech problems #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/515169283089780736)
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ben_thatmustbeme
shanehudson, thats what loqi shows when you don't have a <dfn> tag in there
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ShaneHudson
Oooh, didn't realise that (serves me right for not copying from another page lol)
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmmm, I wonder
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is User:ben.thatmustbe.me
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "User:ben.thatmustbe.me" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=User%3Aben.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
loqi, you lie!
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Loqi
woot!
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is User:Ben.thatmustbe.me
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "User:Ben.thatmustbe.me" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=User%3ABen.thatmustbe.me
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ShaneHudson
what is zfs
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Loqi
ZFS is a file system with a built-in logical volume manager (an alternative to LVM) that is often used on dedicated servers running BSD http://indiewebcamp.com/ZFS
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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ShaneHudson
what is lvm
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Loqi
LVM is a logical volume manager that is often used on dedicated servers running Linux http://indiewebcamp.com/LVM
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ben_thatmustbeme
who is ben_thatmustbeme
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what is ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is Ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
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ShaneHudson
I don't know much about OCSP so just put a stub in
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
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ShaneHudson
what is OCSP
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Loqi
Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP) is used for HTTPS, read more about it on Wikipedia http://indiewebcamp.com/OCSP
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ben_thatmustbeme
i don't think Loqi likes the underscore
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ShaneHudson
That will do for now :)
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kylewm
is there any sort of comparison that explains the relationship between mf, microdata, schema.org, AS1/2, JSON-LD, RDFa, turtle, n3, etc.? I have a lot of trouble understanding e.g., which things are syntax and which are vocabularies
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kylewm
and which are the same or successors to each other
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Mark87
kylewm++ I understand what about half of those are, but im very interested to know the other half
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Loqi
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tommorris
kylewm: schema.org is a vocabulary. microformats used to be syntax+vocab, now those have been separated in mf2. JSON-LD is a layer of RDFing translation on top of JSON (think of it like an 'RDF stylesheet'!)
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@DodgerWA
Don't know whether to chuckle or cry. What they're calling #IndieWeb, we used to call "The Web": "[A] way to cont... https://joindiaspora.com/p/4800083
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tommorris
kylewm: Notation3 is an RDF syntax that's human readable. RDFa is RDF in HTML.
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rascul
https://ello.co - yet another silo
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rascul
one that uses too much monospace and messes up back/forward buttons
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tommorris
kylewm: microdata is Hixie's reimplementation of RDFa's use cases but without RDFa's RDFisms.
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tommorris
kylewm: turtle and N3 are so similar you can just treat them as one. there are a few minor differences but just treat N3 as a superset of Turtle
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tommorris
kylewm: ActivityStreams 1 is based on Atom. AS2 is based on JSON (and/or JSON-LD and/or a few other things to be determined)
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tommorris
and now I need a drink.
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kylewm
hahaha, tommorris thanks so much
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Mark87
rascul didn't u have a github with your file-storage system on it
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rascul
my file storage system?
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rascul
i just keep my content in a git repo https://git.rascul.io/crash/content
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tommorris
"What they're calling #IndieWeb, we used to call "The Web"" —that is the exact point.
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Mark87
ohh that's what it was
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jonnybarnes
ok, i give up, running `openssl` locally I get an OCSP response from my site, ssllabs.com still says I don;t have ocsp stapling though!
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danlyke
kylewm tommorris are either of you copying these into the Wiki, or shall I? Good run-down!
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tommorris
danlyke: go for it. :)
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rascul
jonnybarnes the ocsp thing was a bit tricky for me to get setup, i can't remember what specifically the issue i was having was
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tantek
what is openssl?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "openssl" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=openssl
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mko
jonnybarnes: Same thing happens for one of the vulnerabilities fixed by openssl patch i
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kylewm
danlyke: I would love to, where do you thnk would be appropriate?
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jonnybarnes
what ive learnt so far is, if you have multiple ssl vhosts being served by nginx, you need one of them to be a `default_host` and have stapling enabled, otherwise none of them will.
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tantek
kylewm - perhaps start by asking questions?
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tantek
specifically, what is questions :)
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mko
"OpenSSL CCS vuln. (CVE-2014-0224) Yes EXPLOITABLE (more info)" comes back as Exploitable no matter what I do, resulting in an SSLLabs score of F.
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kylewm
what is Semantic Web?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Semantic Web" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Semantic+Web
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tantek
what is a default_host?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "default_host" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=default_host
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tantek
what is stapling?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "stapling" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stapling
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jonnybarnes
tantek, i don't think stapling shouls have its own page, its a part of ocsp, which is a part of https
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danlyke
kylewm not sure, I just copied tommorris's responses off to a text file, was trying to figure out a title.
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tantek
kylewm - see also the equivalent URLs on microformats.org/wiki/... <- you may be able to find material / answers to link to there rather than having to duplicate any generic references.
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jonnybarnes
similarly default_host is a part of nginx config
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jonnybarnes
mko, whats your site?
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mko
mowens.com
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tommorris
cross-wiki redirect to microformats.org (or wikipedia for stuff out-of-scope of both) might be useful
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mko
It has something to do with the version of Ubuntu I'm running.
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tantek
jonnybarnes: the way to do that is to create sections on those pages then, e.g. "stapling" as a section of /OCSP, and then redirect /stapling to that
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tantek
what is mko?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "mko" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=mko
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is ben_thatmustbeme
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jonnybarnes
what is tantek
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tommorris
yep, you can #REDIRECT [[page#target]] :)
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ben_thatmustbeme" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
Tantek Çelik is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp and works on open web standards at Mozilla http://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek
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mko
I'm using OpenSSL i which is patched, but it isn't registering as unexploitable.
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jonnybarnes
ok, how do I get Loqi to know who I am
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Loqi
who, me?
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tantek
redirects are your friend - for both those use cases :)
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tantek
what is jonnybarnes ?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "jonnybarnes " yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=jonnybarnes+
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ben_thatmustbeme
Loqi doesn't like me, i have a redirect
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tantek
that's a good start
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tantek
what is User:Ben.thatmustbe.me?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "User:Ben.thatmustbe.me" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=User%3ABen.thatmustbe.me
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@kevinmarks
“I've missed you. I’ve missed the connection, the community, the authenticity…” @Aubs http://aubreysabala.com/2014/09/25/returntothebeginning/ #indieweb
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rascul.io
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ben_thatmustbeme
maybe i should just move to benthatmustbeme.... *sign*
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jonnybarnes
tantek: how do I set up a redirect on the wiki?
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/sign/sigh/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: maybe i should just move to benthatmustbeme.... *sigh*
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tantek
what is a redirect?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "redirect" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=redirect
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jonnybarnes
I dont know why thats put a smile on my face
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kylewm
danlyke: tantek: how about /metadata ?
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@willowdower
RT @kevinmarks: “I've missed you. I’ve missed the connection, the community, the authenticity…” @Aubs http://aubreysabala.com/2014/09/25/returntothebeginning/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/515182275345272835)
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danlyke
kylewm sounds great! We can always move it later.
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jonnybarnes.uk
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mko
Man. Getting StartCom Identity Validation feels like it gives them like everything they'd need to completely hijack my identity.
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tantek.com
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mko
aaronpk: I'd love to know how you feel about StartCom's ID Validation process once you've finished it.
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mko
Mine is in the final approval process right now.
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tantek.com
edited /start_a_page (+129) "see also redirect"
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tantek
danlyke, kylewm I think the framing of "metadata" leads people down a confusing and unhelpful path.
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kylewm
tantek: I thought you might ;)
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tantek
jonnybarnes: HTH: /redirect :)
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jonnybarnes.uk
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jonnybarnes
what is jonnybarnes
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Loqi
Jonny Barnes is from Manchester, UK http://indiewebcamp.com/jonnybarnes
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@ShaneHudson
RT @kevinmarks: “I've missed you. I’ve missed the connection, the community, the authenticity…” @Aubs http://aubreysabala.com/2014/09/25/returntothebeginning/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/515184009165701121)
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mowens.com
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@kevinmarks
@DodgerWA well, quite. The web we remember before it got siloed. The web that could be refounded and remade. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/515184576746897408)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i need to set up some way to store drafts and share them ... hmmm
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ben_thatmustbeme
private posting may be on the horizon, haha
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mko
I actually just implemented private posting for myself. I'm doing a 3-tiered posting system. Public, logged-in user, private.
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kylewm.com
created /metadata (+1681) "Capture helpful comparison from tommorris, with note that this should be moved somewhere less confusing"
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kylewm
tommorris++ thanks again
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Loqi
tommorris has 55 karma
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mowens.com
edited /User:Mowens.com (+388) "/* dfn and links to site and Indie.js */"
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kylewm.com
edited /metadata (+108) "/* Discussion */ add links to IRC log"
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mko
what is mko
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Loqi
Michael K. Owens is a designer and engineer living in San Francisco, CA who loves philosophy, personal data analysis, charity work, cycling, and games http://indiewebcamp.com/mko
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kylewm.com
created /kylewm (+29) "redirect to user page"
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tantek
what is drafts?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "drafts" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=drafts
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kylewm.com
edited /User:Kylewm.com (+261) "/* Need Help With */ note outcome of caching/performance question"
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tantek
what is scheduled?
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Loqi
scheduling in the context of the indieweb, refers to the feature of setting a specific time for a post to be published in the future http://indiewebcamp.com/scheduled
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mko
What is kylewm
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Loqi
Kyle Mahan is a software developer in the SF bay area http://indiewebcamp.com/kylewm
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www.reedstrom.org
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reedstrm
what is reedstrm
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "reedstrm" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=reedstrm
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www.reedstrom.org
created /reedstrm (+36) "redirect my usual username"
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reedstrm
what is reedstrm
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tantek.com
created /drafts (+19) "r"
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kylewm
reedstrm: if you put <dfn> tags around the subject of the article (in this case your name), Loqi will use the first sentence as a summary
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Loqi
who, me?
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tantek.com
created /draft (+802) "draft with dfn, why, examples, see also"
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: there's a start for you: http://indiewebcamp.com/draft HTH
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tantek
in particular I implemented really simple /scheduling as a method of writing / sharing drafts
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tantek
a lot easier than fully private posts
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jonnybarnes
is HTH = hope that helps?
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reedstrm
what is reedstrm
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Loqi
Rosss Reedstrom (reedstrm most places) is a sysadmin and developer in the area of Open Education Resources http://indiewebcamp.com/reedstrm
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reedstrm
what is reedstrm
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Loqi
Ross Reedstrom (reedstrm most places) is a sysadmin and developer in the area of Open Education Resources http://indiewebcamp.com/reedstrm
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tantek
what is HTH?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "HTH" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=HTH
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@UrsulaV
Impression of Ello: Yes, yes, you're DESIGNERS, we can tell. Now stop making it look like a luxury hotel soap and make it functional.
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tantek.com
created /HTH (+67) "stub with dfn"
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reedstrm
what is HTH
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Loqi
HTH is an acronym for "hope that helps" http://indiewebcamp.com/HTH
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reedstrm
really? Why not just roll all of wtf into Loqi :-)
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tantek
reedstrm - lazy definitions, demand-based upon actual questions here in the channel.
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reedstrm
Ah I see it above.
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tantek
just for convenience, so anyone that doesn't understand something can ask "what is …" and more often than not get an answer :)
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@kevinmarks
@LynnMagic would love to chat about how #indieweb can help you build @collectqt
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reedstrm
tantek Right - but extending Loqi to call wtf for those cases, rather than extending the wiki w/ lots of low value pages ... whatever :-)
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tantek
reedstrm indeed!
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tantek
there was a discussion earlier about how Loqi could keep a query count for any "what is" and then start saying that too
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tantek
instead of just "it looks like we don't have…"
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reedstrm
Also, am I the only one who reads HTH and HAND (and the pairing, esp.) as cynical? ISTR that might be contamination in my brain from a particular usenet group, populated by syadmins and other denizens of the lower planes.
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tantek
more like "That's the second time someone has asked and we still don't have…"
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tantek
nth time etc.
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reedstrm
hehe - imaging special dialog for > 10th, w/ loqi going on a Jack Nicholson style rant "No, WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT _AND IF WE DID, YOU COULDN'T HANDLE IT"
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danlyke
reedstrm I see it as cynical too, but I was also once known to hang out in the monastery.
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reedstrm
yup, hat's the place
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reedstrm
never configured posting there, which may have saved my career at least once :-)
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KevinMarks__
Interesting to see loqi repeat the jibot pattern, but with an actual wiki
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tantek
an actual /community /commons wiki at that
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@withknown
@loicmathaud We're not on IRC right now, although from time to time we're on #indiewebcamp on freenode. Email best for now. Thanks!
(twitter.com/_/status/515198193013751808)
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tantek
lol email is never best ;)
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tantek
welcome loic_m!
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@loicmathaud
@withknown I'm always on freenode but no problem to send you an email ;) (and joining #indiewebcamp :))
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stevelle
tantek: that comment about email surprises me
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loic_m
hi tantek!
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tantek
stevelle really? google emailefail :)
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kylewm
surprise to see codinghorror has better SEO than tantek for that particular phrase
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@joeld
@jtauber did you see my card from earlier today? With Webmention support TS could stand in functionally for Twitter or Ello 🙏
(twitter.com/_/status/515199631840788480)
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tantek
kylewm because codinghorror has it ON HIS OWN DOMAIN, whereas mine is on a wiki silo :(
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tantek
thus he deserves better seo
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tantek
loic_m: nice clean personal site! http://loic.mathaud.fr/
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tantek
kylewm, in that case you're seeing the difference between a page with a slug with the search terms (codinghorror's permalink) vs. a page that is the static file for a month's "archive" with a fragment identifier as permalink
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@jtauber
@joeld ooh, interesting. I'll look into https://www.brid.gy and webmentions.
(twitter.com/_/status/515200120917622784)
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stevelle
tantek: yeah, I can see your thoughts, but frankly don't agree with your analysis.
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loic_m
tantek> thanks ;)
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kylewm
tantek: gotcha, I have not seen these older archives of yours
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tantek
stevelle: cool. you're welcome (and encouraged) to blog about how you're able to productively use email!
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tantek
kylewm - as documented on /file-storage#IndieWeb_Examples :)
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loic_m
tantek> I should write more often btw
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tantek
loic_m: I like that sentiment!
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reedstrm
loic_m: a common feeling around here, I'm sure
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stevelle
tantek: let me just ask you this, as I form my thoughts on it. do you have a decentralized alternative for semi-private communications?
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loic_m
like "I'd like to share lots of things!", then "Hum I don't know what to talk about" :)
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tantek
loic_m: how about this, check out http://indiewebify.me/ with your personal site and see how it does!
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loic_m
but today I'm happy to have found Known, exactly what I need to setup a private family network to share thoughts and photos
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loic_m
was thinking about creating my own stuff but no need anymore
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tantek
stevelle: re: decentralized alternative for semi-private communications - depends on specific use-cases.
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loic_m
tantek> I will take time to read indiewebify, looks a but complicated at first
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tantek
that's good feedback.
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tantek
is that less complicated / easier to start with?
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loic_m
yep, I already completed some steps
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loic_m
my own domain, my own data, …
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@joeld
@jtauber with Webmentions I’d say “single-purpose microblogs“ would be one feature *within* TS and it would fit very nicely.
(twitter.com/_/status/515202554939326464)
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loic_m
I'll look at it! (but for now I'm installing Known on a personal domain name to have our own family network tonight)
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tantek
why not do both? :)
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loic_m
because I'm so bad at doing more than once thing at once ;)
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loic_m
s/once/one/
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Loqi
loic_m meant to say: because I'm so bad at doing more than one thing at one ;)
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reedstrm
ages ago, I let google handle my personal domain (mostly to get email for all family members, ironically enough) What are people doing for hosting?
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tantek
what is web hosting?
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Loqi
Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting
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tantek
reedstrm: ^^^
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Mark87
amazon ec2 vps free tier
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tantek
or even
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tantek
what is hosting?
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Loqi
Web hosting is perhaps the primary regular cost in maintaining an Indie Web Site (more expensive than most domain name registrations/renewals) http://indiewebcamp.com/hosting
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tantek
what is ec2?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ec2" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ec2
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ben_thatmustbeme
i use hostt.net, they are ok for now, does what I want.
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is seo?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "seo" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=seo
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
“Link to everything you create elsewhere on the web. And if possible, save a copy of it on your own blog.” http://dashes.com/anil/2014/09/15-lessons-from-15-years-of-blogging.html #indieweb
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tantek
Mark87, could you start http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Amazon_EC2&action=edit&redlink=1 with a brief description / link to more about amazon ec2 vps free tier?
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finchd
Mark87: EC2 free is only free the first year
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tantek
KevinMarks: is Anil advocating PESOS?
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tantek
rather than POSSE?
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Mark87
@tantek I can certainly give it a go
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tantek.com
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Mark87
finchd yea unfortunately. Long enough to implement something tho.
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aaronpk
what is wtf?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wtf" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=wtf
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Mark87
finchd I think if you were less than honest you could just sign up again with another email address and get another year for free, but im not advocating that
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finchd
Mark87: and moving vms between said accts may not work out
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Mark87
what is vps
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finchd
I'm thinking of making an AWS acct for Glacier backups, but won't have time to indieweb until graduation in March
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Loqi
A Virtual Private Server (AKA VPS) is a level of webhosting service where you get root access to a virtual system and can install whatever you want http://indiewebcamp.com/VPS
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reedstrm
snerk PESOS
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markmurfin.com
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reedstrm
somehow, ending up w/ very wild-west acronyms POSSEs and PESOS
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Mark87
what is amazon ec2?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is amazon ec2?
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Loqi
Amazon EC2, or "Elastic Cloud Compute", is an Amazon.com service that rents out Virtual Private Servers with a variety of Operating System, Pricing, CPU, and Memory options http://indiewebcamp.com/Amazon_EC2
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finchd
may want to nest that under AWS, which has EC2, EBS, Glacier, load-balancing...
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tantek
what is AWS?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "AWS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=AWS
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sparverius
tantek: amazon
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tantek
what is EBS?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "EBS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=EBS
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tantek
what is Glacier?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Glacier" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Glacier
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sparverius
i have WALKED INTO THIS
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tantek
sparverius: help ^^^ ? :)
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Loqi
hehe
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tantek
gives Loqi a treat.
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finchd
has no webspace yet to indieauth or he'd stub those
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Loqi
thanks, tantek!
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tantek.com
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4c4d.com
created /AWS (+78) "creating the page - 🎆"
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ben_thatmustbeme
lets see how many random things i can implement today, drafts, geotags, deleted items, hmmm
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: It sounds like you're starting an "Itches" list.
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually i'm kinda scratching at the moment
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Mark87
well I have some rudimentary flat file storage going on. My very basic editor save my posts as very simple html files to the filesystem, and my viewer loads them back and displays them
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ben_thatmustbeme
needed to do some DB changes, so i figured as long as i'm at it ...
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tantek
wonders where drafts, geotags, deleted items fit on http://indiewebcamp.com/ben_thatmustbeme#OpenBlog ;)
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danlyke
Stupid q: Is there a super compelling reason to use <article class="h-entry"> vs <div class="h-entry">? Asking for legacy layout reasons.
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tantek
super compelling? no.
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tantek
use the simplest markup that works for you.
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danlyke
Sweet. Then I think Flutterby.com is microformats2 enabled. Enough that a syndicator which used it could read it.
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tantek
Mark87, perhaps add your flat file storage in progress as an entry here: http://indiewebcamp.com/file-storage#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek
(IMO all flat file storage is "in progress", mine included, as we keep coming up with new things for it to do :) )
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Mark87
@tantek I should add myself to IRC people as well probably
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tecgirl
hey, tantek, have you upgraded to iOS8 (not 8.0.1) - I noticed today that all my custom homescreen icons are gone! Boo!
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tantek
yes definitely add yourself to /irc-people !
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tantek
tecgirl no I'm waiting for the usual buggy iOS versions shakeout
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tecgirl
no big deal to resave but weird that the cache would remove them. and, smart man.
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tecgirl
also if I resave/readd to homescreen the previous icon shows
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tecgirl
oh, apple. you amuse me.
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
happy now tantek :P
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markmurfin.com
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@parzzix
So how do I get my replies to other peoples post to show up? I get the replies to my post. @withknown #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
been quite the wiki edit day
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@OnTheWebz
RT @t: Great post by @anomalily on #indieweb #pseudonymity "The Indie Web is the new Zines" http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines (ttk.me t4YH1)
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bret___
is there a good section on the wiki for "why blogs are good" /why
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@davidmead
Now if I could post on @withknown and have it shared to #ello that'd be cool. #indieweb
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@_jden
"corporate control has led to deletion of whole identities" ICYMI great post on indieweb http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ h/t @anomalily
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KartikPrabhu
hmm now people are asking for POSSE to ello already!? how many new silos will Known support?
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aaronpk
that should work more like how planet aggregators work
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aaronpk
ello should be able to pull posts from my site
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aaronpk
that way things like Known don't have to go implement a bunch of snowflake APIs to support new silos
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Mark87
what is snowflake
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Loqi
snowflake in the context of the indieweb, is typically used to refer in a derogatory way to "snowflake APIs", APIs that are (often silo) website or service provider-specific (unique like snowflakes) rather than an open standard http://indiewebcamp.com/snowflake
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KartikPrabhu
that is the thing with silos though. Once I support Twitter for commenting on my site, people will ask for support to their fav silo.
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KartikPrabhu
"why do you support Twitter but not Ello?"
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reedstrm
and like snowflakes, often melt soon after falling
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk, loqi hates me
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Loqi
grins profusely
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ben_thatmustbeme" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ben_thatmustbeme
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KevinMarks_
hm, how about doing POSSE syndication by micropub?
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KevinMarks_
so then known can send out to anyone who supports micropub
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KevinMarks_
and the question gets reversed, and people are lobbying ello to support micropub
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KevinMarks_
and we build one micropub-to-silo gateway per silo
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tantek
KevinMarks - simpler than micropub would be consuming PuSH feeds the way Google Buzz used to.
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tantek
or heck, ask Ello to add support to *directly* getting updates from PuSH feeds/sites.
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tantek
as status.net used to support
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tantek
e.g. people on status.net saw my notes from tantek.com (via PuSH + Atom) in their reader view because that actually worked.
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KevinMarks_
both are options; PuSH makes sense if you are primarily a reader; micropub if you're primarily a blog
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KevinMarks_
and as friendfeed still supports
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tantek
still supports what?
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tantek
what is friendfeed?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "friendfeed" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=friendfeed
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KevinMarks_
friendfeed still supports importing lots of things
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KevinMarks_
58 apparently
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Mark87
friendfeed still runs? o_O
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KevinMarks_
I suspect many of those are in site-deaths though
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tantek
KevinMarks that's not been my experience with Friendfeed - it appeared to stop importing everything of mine
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tantek
hence if you think it still works, please document it
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KevinMarks_
hm, seems to only have some of my stuff
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KartikPrabhu
but people are not asking silos to support indieweb but indieweb to support silos
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@kyle_wm
@davidmead IMHO, syndicating to every new social data silo shouldn’t be the goal of #indieweb. POSSE is really just… https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/09/25/5/imho-syndicating-to-every-new-social
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tantek
right, in the short term we can ignore POSSEing to new silos because most of them flame out
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tantek
it's only worth POSSEing to silos where you have friends that you want to reach. that's pretty much it.
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tantek
friends over federation as it were
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mko
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 567 karma
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aaronpk
dalton did come to portland, but not for indiewebcamp
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Mark87
@tantek Friends over Federation ought to be a slogan somewhere
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KevinMarks_
ello has a differnt agenda from app.net
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aaronpk
stickers maybe?
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tantek
has said that in talks before, thought he put it on the wiki
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aaronpk
any designers here want to put together a sticker with that on it?
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aaronpk
i would get it printed for sure
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aaronpk
speaking of which, I have a ton more indiewebcamp stickers arriving tomorrow!
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aaronpk
I can ship some to the chicago and minneapolis groups!
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tantek
aaronpk - I'm actually running out would you believe!
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tantek
are they diecut like the ones Crystal made? with the sweet rounded corner?
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aaronpk
yep! should be exactly the same!
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reedstrm
wonders if a Houston group might start up ...
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tantek
reedstrm: just takes two to start. see Chicago for example!
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bret___
I want an IW/IWC/HWC hexagonal stickers. might try to put something together soon
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Loqi
gives bret___ an IW
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aaronpk
gimme a design!
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KevinMarks_
note the DRY violation if you click "read the manifesto" on the left
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cuibonobo
just did a cat access.log | grep '() { :;}'
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bret___
aaronpk ya!
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cuibonobo
and woulndcha know it
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cuibonobo
already 2 hits
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KevinMarks_
PESATAS is on their to do list: Auto-push posts to other networks https://ello.co/wtf/post/featurelist##Auto-push+posts
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tantek
need to channel Tina Turner here: "We don'd need another si-lo"
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tantek
s/don'd/don't
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: need to channel Tina Turner here: "We don't need another si-lo"
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KevinMarks_
are there enough people in NY for a HWC? Aubs?
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aaronpk
cuibonobo: oh hey me too
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cuibonobo
seriously guys. if anything you love touches the internet, you need to patch it pronto
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cuibonobo
aaronpk: nothing too nefarious yet. just pings and telnets. seems like the bad guys are making lists of vulnerable sites
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kylewm
whoa, 2 for me too
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KevinMarks_
it's like "attack of the weird emoticons"
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kylewm
cuibonobo++ thanks
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Loqi
cuibonobo has 9 karma
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mko
KevinMarks_: I don't think Aubs is in IRC yet. I haven't seen her in here anyway.
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tantek
cuibonobo: wait what - how do we patch everything? is this regarding bash vulnerability?
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mko
Yeah. It's a pretty big bash vulnerability.
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cuibonobo
tantek: yes. Apple hasn't released an update yet, but most linux distros have a fix
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tantek
until Apple releases an update, what are we supposed to disable to lock this down?
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tantek
"cat: access.log: No such file or directory"
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Mark87
I've got one hit, they got a 404
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aaronpk
well ya gotta find your access log
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@davidmead
Hmm. I guess I’m on the fence @kyle_wm. While I agree that it’s not a primary goal of #indieweb, #POSSE can’t be… (http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/09/25/761/)
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cuibonobo
tantek: the only way to patch Apple products at the moment is to download the latest version of bash and compile it
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tantek
what is access.log?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "access.log" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=access.log
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mko
A simple "apt-get upgrade" on a Linux server is all you need to do to patch it.
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tantek
cuibonobo: presumably there's a way to close ports or some such?
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kylewm
KevinMarks_: it also looks kinda like a fork bomb
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mko
Mac is a little SOL, but less vulnerable by the nature of being less server-oriented.
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tantek
mko - I don't think "simple" should ever be used to describe anything "apt-get" or "Linxu"
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Mark87
I read the redhat post, but I don't quite understand what its doing
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cuibonobo
tantek: the vulnerability is for bash, so it's not limited to any port per se
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tantek
s/Linxu/Linux
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: mko - I don't think "simple" should ever be used to describe anything "apt-get" or "Linux"
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mko
tantek: For anyone running Linux, apt-get upgrade is easy.
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cuibonobo
tantek: regarding the access log, usually web servers have a log of all their visitors somewhere
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cuibonobo
so you wouldn't necessarily have one on your local machine
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aaronpk
anyone know how to fix fedora?
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tantek
is this only for web servers then? I read more than that into "anything you love touches the internet"
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KevinMarks_
so you can just send linux that magic string followed by apt-get upgrade
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tantek
what is fedora?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "fedora" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=fedora
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cuibonobo
tantek: if, for example, you take your laptop to an internet cafe, it's technically possible to sniff your IP and run arbitrary code on your machine
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cuibonobo
i say "technically possible" because nobody has published a how-to yet
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tantek
even though I'm not running an externally responding web server?
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aaronpk
couldn't I go around updating other people's ubuntus by doing '() { :;} sudo apt-get upgrade' on remote hosts? :P
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aaronpk
tantek: you are running apache on your laptop, it's probably listening on 0.0.0.0 rather than just localhost
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tantek
what is localhost?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "localhost" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=localhost
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cuibonobo
tantek: the vulnerability is pretty extensive. for example, routers don't normally sanitize DHCP messages when they're assigning an IP address to you, so you could potentially run arbitrary code just in the process of getting an IP address from a router
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tantek
I ask these questions to prompt Loqi because we need to document simple answers to these if we have any hope of expanding the reach / understanding of all this stuff.
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Loqi
grins profusely
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tantek
gives Loqi another treat.
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aaronpk
man I gotta ditch my old fedora servers already
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rascul
for how to test and update on mac
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neuro`
Speaking of vulns, do some of you host their site on Amazon?
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tantek
hopes that web hosting providers are automatically fixing this vulnerability ASAP
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tantek
individuals should not have to deal with this
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Mark87
neuro yes
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aaronpk
shared hosts should be doing it automatically yes
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aaronpk
but VPS hosts are not responsible for that layer and should at best be proactively telling you if you're vulnerable and how to fix it
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aaronpk
amazon did a good job of that with heartbleed
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@elfpavlik
@BarnabyWalters plain JSON has as wide support plus *human* readability! IMO those examples look awful to read/debug http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#New_Article
(twitter.com/_/status/515234668715995137)
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rascul
i believe amazon patched their stuff yesterday
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tantek
perhaps this is worth documenting as a /VPS admin responsibility?
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cuibonobo
aaronpk: you're right. i feel like i should've gotten an email from digitalocean by now
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aaronpk
rascul: but if you have any EC2 servers then you'll ahve to patch them yourself
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@waxpancake
Ello raised $435k in seed funding from FreshTracks Capital in March. http://www.freshtrackscap.com/fund-iii-companies/Ello
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danlyke
env x='() { :;}; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y' bash -c "Patched it for you"
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rascul
aaronpk yes, i probably could have expanded my statement
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KevinMarks_
your mac is running apache and is autodiscoverable
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neuro`
aaronpk: it took Amazon ages to fix heartbleed on their ELB, leaving their clients with a vulnerable OpenSSL for days.
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aaronpk
EVERYBODY THE SAFEST WAY TO AVOID THE VULNERABILITY IS TO TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER AND NEVER TURN IT BACK ON
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aaronpk
that'll solve it
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rascul
aaronpk++
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reedstrm
danlyke: LOL!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 568 karma
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neuro`
aaronpk: yeah, no more end users. I'm dreaming about it.
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aaronpk
neuro++
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Loqi
neuro has 1 karma
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reedstrm
danlyke: tuck that in a header, and fireup the scanner. Hmm, metasploit module ...
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KevinMarks_
CollectQT is worth a look - a spec for a LGBTQ-friendly social network
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tantek
what is CollectQT?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "CollectQT" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=CollectQT
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tantek
KevinMarks - then is it worth you starting a wiki stub for it? ;)
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KevinMarks_
heh, looks like I get to write in both places: https://twitter.com/LynnMagic/status/515236092400783360
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danlyke
reedstrm I saw some wistful hypothesizing today about what good could be done with some DHCP servers that have a large number of clients, and what responsibility re possibilities for disaster was with owning those DHCP servers...
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tantek
aaronpk - I'm seeing an SSL error in IndieAuth trying to scan https://bit.parts/ for IndieWebCamp login - can you take a look and see what SSL error that is?
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aaronpk
looks like a new root cert that the server deosn't know about
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jonnybarnes
so I have OCSP stapling working on my site according to ssllabs :)
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rascul
jonnybarnes++
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Loqi
jonnybarnes has 4 karma
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aaronpk
what is OCSP stapling?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OCSP stapling" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=OCSP+stapling
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tantek
what is OCSP?
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jonnybarnes
though not entirely sure how I got it working...
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Loqi
Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP) is used for HTTPS, read more about it on Wikipedia http://indiewebcamp.com/OCSP
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tantek
what is stapling?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "stapling" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stapling
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ShaneHudson
tantek: I linked quite a few of them to Wikipedia, is that okay?
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tantek
that's great for a stub. even better would be to update the summary definition/description to explain its relation to the indieweb
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jonnybarnes
basically I went through my nginx.conf and all my vhost files, cleaned them up and then voila
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tantek
otherwise it's just confusing detached technobabble to the average reader - like why is this on the indiewebcamp site, and why are people in the channel talking about it? how is this on topic?
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rascul
i think my sister will come to the first day of indiewebcamp cambridge
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tantek
think of it this way, reading the IRC logs should make you feel like you're learning something relevant to the indieweb
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rascul
i should probably verify that, then... add her as an apprentice?
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jonnybarnes
tantek: hmmm, I would say these kinds of pages should be linked to /https
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tantek
jonnybarnes: that's already a big page
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tantek
better to have smaller pages that describe why any specific topic was worth bringing up in the indiewebcamp context
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jonnybarnes
why should I make my site https is part of the indieweb, it verifies who you are to other people etc etc
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rascul
big wiki pages are often a turn off for me
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tantek
sure, but then why do you have to worry about details like OCSP or stapling?
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jonnybarnes
ocsp stapling is part of setting up ypur site as https as well as possible
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tantek
rascul - right - hence we need to make smaller ones
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tantek
jonnybarnes: *why*? why does it matter to have to know about OCSP stapling?
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rascul
when there's too much information on one page i find it can gets cumbersome and harder to navigate
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tantek
every such piece of techno jargon needs a wiki page with a big == Why == section at the top which asnwers that question
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tantek
rascul that's exactly right
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rascul
tbh i think just a one line plug in /https would be fine for ocsp stapling
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rascul
which is maybe contradictary to what i just said...
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tantek
a one line "why" answer is fine for a stub too :)
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aaronpk
hm my twitter tokens seem to have expired. was there some twitter hack recently?
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rascul
tantek i agree
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cuibonobo
aaronpk: could be they updated their servers and expired all tokens just to be sure
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aaronpk
ah yeah true
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aaronpk
(btw i'm working on making those mentions look better in the logs)
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jonnybarnes
I was able to post to twitter 10mins ago
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jonnybarnes
via a token that is
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aaronpk
using old access tokens?
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk: yup
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ShaneHudson
I think I've figured out how to get micropub/indieauth working in craft btw :)
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bret
go ShaneHudson++
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aaronpk
23.20.141.11
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Loqi
!dns 23.20.141.11
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