#indiewebcamp 2014-10-07
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# 
bret why do all ietf standards look this way? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilde-accept-post-02
# pdurbin what way?
# bret plain text wrapped at 80 chars and paginated
# bret seems very papery for something on the internet
# pdurbin how's this? http://pretty-rfc.herokuapp.com/RFC2616
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/519265677689880576/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/519271089428373504/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (webmention)
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/519265677689880576/519288620759666690 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/519271089428373504/519288855074467842 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (webmention)
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# thierry.marianne.io profile thierrymarianne edited /User:Tmar.io (+69) "/Installed known instance" (view diff)
# thierry.marianne.io profile thierrymarianne moved /User:Tmar.io to /User:Thierry.Marianne.io "Changed personal domain name (intent to tmar.io for URL shortening)"
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# KevinMarks Hm, I'm not eligible, but this could be worth an indieweb hack https://developer.salesforce.com/blogs/developer-relations/2014/10/better-more-awesome-million-dollar-hackathon.html
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# kylewm follow up from @inessential http://inessential.com/2014/10/04/blog_engine_choice ... he decided to keep working on his homegrown static generator and write an iOS app for mobile posting
# kylewm maybe quill + micropub would be a friendlier suggestion than all the people who ignored his requirements
# kylewm and oh man, this response should go in the /selfdogfood hall of fame https://blog.svpino.com/2014/10/03/do-you-need-a-new-blog-engine
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah Blogger pretty much sucks now, which is what originally motivated me to get my own site too per https://kartikprabhu.com/article/redux
# bret pdurbin: yeah that makes it way more usable
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# bret tumblr is insane
# bret i shouldplay around with it more
# Loqi fo sho
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# xxcoeurxx bret: how so?
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/12802152/1531429417103947/212038 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-08-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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# bret xxcoeurxx: it has a nice flow, and its probably one of the most accessible sites that still allows a lot of overall creativity, plus lots of interesting users
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# KevinMarks__ so what @inessential needs is a Metaweblog API to micropub bridge...
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# kylewm kevinmarks__: exactly!
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# KevinMarks__ hm, or he could patch MarsEdit to send micropub, which is probably easier
# KevinMarks__ http://codex.wordpress.org/XML-RPC_MetaWeblog_API meh
# shaners KevinMarks__ He does not own MarsEdit anymore.
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# KevinMarks__ ah, oops
# shaners He sold it to @danielpunkass some years ago.
# shaners Though, Daniel Jalkut seemed open to MarsEdit + Micropub support.
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@danielpunkass @veganstraightedge Thanks for letting me know. Do nudge me again when it’s more mature! (twitter.com/_/status/482865501584912387)
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# bret micropub needs some maturation.... wish i had more time to put in
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# thierry.marianne.io edited /IndieWebCampParis (+168) "/* added what has been done on first IndieWebCampParis evening session */" (view diff)
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@adactioLinks Why I Joined the IndieWeb Movement - Wingin’ It http://airbornesurfer.com/2014/10/why-i-joined-the-indieweb-movement/ (twitter.com/_/status/519392812681678848)
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# tantek welcome csarven!
# KartikPrabhu hi csarven
# csarven Greetings and salutations.
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# tantek csarven - what's your personal site these days?
# csarven http://csarven.ca/ as always :)
# csarven Though, I'm stuck on microformats "1".
# tantek csarven - it's ok - the classic microformats that have widespread adoption have been grandfathered through backward compatibility parsing rules
# tantek try out your website on indiewebify.me!
# csarven Is it to silly to bring up how awesome/leading? the mf support was on http://identi.ca/ ? :)
# KartikPrabhu csarven: tbh there have been a lot sillier things brought up here :P
# 
@Freerange_Inc Is there an #indieweb alternative to google docs? (twitter.com/_/status/519401403094417408)
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# tantek csarven++
# Loqi csarven has 1 karma
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@csarven @maurodragoni I'm sorry, are you trying to pick a fight on the Web? You don't even have a personal Website. Get off my lawn. (twitter.com/_/status/519390166369452032)
# csarven Can IRC karmas be exchanged with "real life" Bitcoins?
# KartikPrabhu csarven++ oh snap!
# Loqi csarven has 2 karma
# csarven Ehhhhxellent
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# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/12802152/1531429417103947/214611 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-08-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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# @Freerange_Inc @LyallTimmons cos'I think when working on a research project for the #indieweb & its kin, it'd be rude to include workflows using spyware ;) (twitter.com/_/status/519427395129208833)
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# jonnybarnes greetings everyone (UGT)
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# ben_thatmustbeme hello all
# ben_thatmustbeme hey jonnybarnes
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# jonnybarnes what should a findAuthour() method do if it fails? return false or throw an exception
# Mark87 is there a particular context we're talking about?
# Loqi Mark87: tantek left you a message on 9/29 at 10:29am: do you have a name for your Editor & Viewer software?
# Mark87 jonnybarnes you may be asking about something specific, but in general, if my parser can't find author info for a particular feed, it returns an empty string. Further up the chain if I see an empty string I present the option to the user to specify an author that will be used for all articles from that particular feed in the future.
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# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: the choice between returning false/null and throwing an exception is a stylistic one. If the tools you use have a convention of prefering/expecting one or the other, use it
# barnabywalters personally I prefer returning false to throwing an exception
# barnabywalters another approach (appropriated from go) is to return multiple values, e.g. https://github.com/indieweb/rel-me
# jonnybarnes that would make sense if it found several possible authors
# barnabywalters jonnybarnes: noe
# barnabywalters s/noe/no, the typical usage is list($result, $error) = functioncall()
# Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: jonnybarnes: no, the typical usage is list($result, $error) = functioncall()
# barnabywalters but it’s not exactly a PHP convention, just a weird personal preference stolen from go, so take it with a pinch of salt :)
# jonnybarnes ok, so my auth algo kind of works on one of tantek's notes
# jonnybarnes but it produces this h-card array: http://hastebin.com/qufinuwiye.coffee
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# jonnybarnes maybe i shouldn't include the 'children' entry
# jonnybarnes that response seems unnecisarily long
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# reedstrm morning all
# jonnybarnes morngin reedstrm
# jonnybarnes s/morngin/morning
# Loqi jonnybarnes meant to say: morning reedstrm
# jonnybarnes will Loqi do with s/search/replace/g as I expect?
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# reedstrm thinks hmmm, morn gin ... is that a sad drink, or a contraction for the breakfast of champion alcoholics?
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# sixtwothree.org edited /User:Sixtwothree.org (+191) "/* Working On */ Added FrancisCMS" (view diff)
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# jonnybarnes !tell aaronpk that issue you told me about on sha
{13}.com is now fixed ;)# Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# gRegor` Morning, #indiewebcamp
# reedstrm Any opinions here about OpenGraph Protocol? Is this FaceBook trying to invade all the things? Is it possible to POSSE to FB and Twitter w/o OGP and get posts that don't look like ... a dogs breakfast?
# barnabywalters what is opengraph protocol?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "opengraph protocol" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=opengraph+protocol
# barnabywalters is that similar to the opengraph API?
# gRegor` http://ogp.me/
# reedstrm not sure - they call it a protocol, but it looks like an api to me: http://ogp.me/
# kylewm reedstrm: I have the sinking suspicion that Actions/Objects are going to be deprioritized more and more in the future
# gRegor` what is opengraph protocol?
# Loqi The Open Graph protocol (OGP) is an open* standard developed by Facebook for annotating the primary subject of an HTML page via a set of custom <meta> tags in the document head http://indiewebcamp.com/opengraph_protocol
# ben_thatmustbeme barnabywalters++ for tanteking gRegor`
# Loqi barnabywalters has 73 karma
# ben_thatmustbeme gRegornobacktic++ for getting tanteked
# Loqi gRegornobacktic has 1 karma
# gRegor` Heh. Just a redirect. I knew we had an OGP page somewhere
# ben_thatmustbeme hehe
# ben_thatmustbeme oh wait, since the last update to loqi... lets see
# Loqi yeah!
# ben_thatmustbeme gRegor`++
# barnabywalters gRegor`++ for editing the wiki instead of just tanteking people :)
# barnabywalters gregornobacktick++
# Loqi gregornobacktick has 21 karma
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# reedstrm kylewm: what are actions/objects?
# kylewm reedstrm: like "Karen listened to Moody Blues on Spotify"
# reedstrm gRegor`: yrah, otherwise that was some impressive fast C&P/typing!
# reedstrm Ah that annoying stuff :-)
# gregorlove.com edited /The-Open-Graph-protocol (+13) "/* Criticism */ Fixing blockquote html" (view diff)
# kylewm you can also use the Action/Objects API with ogp: markup on your site to post things like "Kyle posted an Article on kylewm.com"
# kylewm but I was afeard that that article meant that sort of POSSE would be interpreted as spammy
# reedstrm Yeah, I suppose it's good to send semantics
# kylewm so instead I use the plain Graph API
# kylewm reedstrm: here's what it looked like when I tried http://indiewebcamp.com/File:fb-post-news-publishes.png
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# reedstrm that's not bad!
# gregorlove.com edited /The-Open-Graph-protocol (+14) "/* Does not support SVG images */" (view diff)
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# reedstrm kylewm: to clarify that screenshot was w/ Graph API?
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# kylewm Open Graph API https://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraph
# reedstrm Yeah that's that I thought at first. Thanks. Hmm, I'm going to have to think about how OpenStax CNX and indieweb can go together ...
# Loqi [mention] http://realestatecafe.com/disrupt-reform-or-realign-real-estate-opportunities-to-connect-dots-build-synergy/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge (pingback)
# gregorlove.com edited /The-Open-Graph-protocol (-27) "/* Depends on Invisible Metadata */" (view diff)
# tantek greetings everyone - if anyone would like to help out at IndieWebCamp Cambridge by sponsoring a meal or coffee - please sign-up! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge#Sponsor
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# bret csarven: Loqi karma points are just karma points, but there are other freenode channels that hand out Dogecoin in addition to loqi carma
# Loqi yeah!
# bret karma*
# ben_thatmustbeme would be an interesting way to incentivize everyone to have a doge/bitcoin address on their site
# csarven Actually, there is #webcredits
# tommorris if you want to send me all your prime number money for being awesome, I'm okay with that.
# barnabywalters` tommorris: “but first download the entire prime number money history”
# barnabywalters` the addresses can be linked to and discovered using http://relpayment.com/
# barnabywalters` I do that on waterpigs.co.uk
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# barnabywalters` csarven: it looks like webcredits.org is down — is that the site you’re talking about?
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# aaronpk_ There's a bot in #pdxtech that gives people Dogecoin when they get karma'd
# Loqi aaronpk_: jonnybarnes left you a message 58 minutes ago: that issue you told me about on sha
{13}.com is now fixed ;)# aaronpk_ Yay cool
# ben_thatmustbeme hmm, maybe i'll do that, offer a small amount to the first N people to set up bitcoin links on their site
# csarven I'm currently using S5+some custom stuff. I wanted to move into something else that creates nice URLs (with fragment identifiers). What are my options? Slidy2 and Shower looks alright.
# csarven barnabywalters` Part of it yes. melvster is behind it.. usually frequents in #swig . I was referring more to an IRC bot handling coin stuff
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# 
@nobantu 4 Days to LateRegistration for #IIW XIX http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ Join us 4 #VRM #UMA #indieweb #identity #IoT & Other great conversations! (twitter.com/_/status/519517438510370816)
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# GWG Cambridge approaches
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# jonnybarnes any PGP users here?
# jonnybarnes so my old key expired and I'm trying to set up a new one with subkeys
# jonnybarnes I think I've done it right gpg --edit-key > addkey
# jonnybarnes then select the signing key option
# jonnybarnes do I just use that as normal now?
# jonnybarnes like if I gpg --list-keys its listed as a sub key
# jonnybarnes with its own id
# jonnybarnes so I can just specify that id when I want to sign something
# jonnybarnes like a git tag
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@DorienPaul Interested in a free 1/2 hour consultation on building community online with limited resources? #OwnYourData #DigitalOrganizing (twitter.com/_/status/519536415793627136)
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# KevinMarks_ Open Graph Protocol: not open, not a graph, not a protocol
# KevinMarks_ I'm reading scrollback
# KevinMarks_ There is Indiecreddit.com if anyone wants to revive that
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# jonnybarnes anth.ro URLs as a search interface is pretty cool (aaronpk_)
# aaronpk_ oh yeah! forgot about that
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# anomalily Okay, so I have started an A/B test on if POSSEing to facebook is causing FB to hide my posts: http://anomalily.net/like-this-post-for-science/
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# ben_thatmustbeme kevinmarks_ i never got it to compile when I had tried
# ben_thatmustbeme so its more like !open!graph !protocol
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@harrym Am in a room full of luminaries! Looking forward to a discussion about the role of one's own website... #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/519551826501185537)
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# bret https://education.github.com/ free stuff that normally costs money!
# reedstrm KevinMarks_: agreed, it's a mess (OGP that is) We've got a requirement to put social buttons on OpenStax, so just trying to give FB as little as possible to get a decent looking post
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# gRegor` !tell KartikPrabhu On for HWC 10/8?
# Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# ben_thatmustbeme hey tantek
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# 
@TheMediaLists Сторонники Ð´Ð²Ð¸Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ IndieWeb запуÑтили блог-платформу Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¸Ð²Ð¾ÑтоÑÐ½Ð¸Ñ Facebook http://themedia.center/2014/10/07/no-proprietary-platforms/ (twitter.com/_/status/519565279504764928)
# ben_thatmustbeme alright ihatemornings
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# ben_thatmustbeme hi there ihatemornings
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# ihatemornings hey
# ben_thatmustbeme yay, another ben
# Loqi giggles
# ihatemornings just dropping in to see how this all works. will come back for more chat some time soon. lots of interesting stuff to think about...
# ben_thatmustbeme indeed, the wiki has a lot to offer reading wise
# carmen wtf is a .doc, can firefox open that? http://iiw.idcommons.net/File:IIW_Notes_Taker_Form_Compatible_%281%29.doc
# aaronpk_ heh
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@xxcoeur66xx RT @kevinmarks: @mathowie @GlennF welcome to the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/519569468591075328)
# 
@RealDarrenCohen @FeistyDrea hashtag that #indieweb own it.....everyone should have own domain personal and business.... @Mike_Stelzner (twitter.com/_/status/519569667283636226)
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@williamheath Fab #indieweb dinner with @benwerd and dear friends. Photo to follow when I work out how to post images (twitter.com/_/status/519573581689155584)
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# shaners Alright. I'm adding /YYYY/MM/DD archives to my site today. Anyone wanna joy me and add it your site too? Make it an archives kinda day?
# ben_thatmustbeme eh?
# ben_thatmustbeme hmm, that should be no problem for me... let me test that
# neuro` I already have it, it's just broken because of a stupid rewrite rule I have, and totally useless.
# neuro` I don't blog enough to make it useful
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# shaners yeah yeah :P
# tantek what are archives?
# Loqi archive refers to date-grouped sets of indieweb site posts (a common form of navigation among posts), or a copy of a web page made at a particular point in time http://indiewebcamp.com/archives
# aaronpk_ as much as I like YYYY-DDD I still find it easier to read/understand YYYY-MM-DD
# tantek aaronpk, I'm preparing for SPACE :)
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# shaners and just like that, @tantek disappeared, never to be heard from again.
# shaners our only clue of his whereabouts is that his final message was "I'm preparing for SPACE :)"
# carmen Moffet Field
# ben_thatmustbeme thats actually quite a good line to vanish forever on
# ben_thatmustbeme i hope he does return though
# carmen crazy slavs
# carmen what's M2M
# aaronpk_ machine-to-machine
# carmen anonymous gay hookups do seem to be ableeding-edge messaging-technology, if early 90s SF BBSes and phone-systems were an indicator
# carmen ie that location-specific wifi mesh broadcast stuff
# ben_thatmustbeme shanners, done. just need to fix up the template for those pages since I reused my archives/ link
# shaners ben_thatmustbeme: I think I'm done too. Just double checking things.
# 
@nicjoy Learning about #IndieWeb movement - interesting things taking place surrounding decentralization of web content. #posse #IntranetForum (twitter.com/_/status/519582357045534720)
# shaners And of course, I've got timezone issues, but I'm punting on that for now.
# aaronpk_ of course
# ben_thatmustbeme shaners, I set everything to EST, because i don't really care.
# shaners i mean, i have some a few 2013-01-01 showing up in the 2012-12 archive, etc
# shaners fucking timezones
# 
@t Spinning up the turbines with @adactio, excited for #BrooklynBeta, #CyborgCamp, and #indiewebcamp Cambridge this week! (ttk.me t4YW1) (twitter.com/_/status/519583135273459712)
# aaronpk_ huh how am I handling that
# aaronpk_ oh right. I store the timestamp in UTC and also store the timezone offset in seconds
# aaronpk_ then when I query for posts, I actually query the timestamp+offset
# shaners aaronpk_ I'll have to do something like that sometime (soon maybe?)
# shaners what is archive?
# Loqi archive refers to date-grouped sets of indieweb site posts (a common form of navigation among posts), or a copy of a web page made at a particular point in time http://indiewebcamp.com/archive
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# shaners iamshane.com archives are working (with timezone offset bugs) http://iamshane.com/notes/2014/10
# shaners post type URLs only right now
# ben_thatmustbeme its not pretty, but archives work now for me too
# Loqi [mention] http://social.thedavidjohnson.com/2014/the-incredible-team-at-withknown-has-created-a-phenomenal-social linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# ben_thatmustbeme my archives had been just per month
# ben_thatmustbeme and i can officially drop the spare _ on my links that don't need it
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# 
@portenkirchner Why @airbornesurfer Joined the IndieWeb Movement http://airbornesurfer.com/2014/10/why-i-joined-the-indieweb-movement/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/519586862801776642)
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# gRegor` For notes, I store the times in UTC, but for permalinks (and eventually archives), I convert from Central time to UTC to run the query properly.
# ben_thatmustbeme i take it back, i also have a problem with timestamps :P
# gRegor` PHP's DateTime() handles the DST offsets that way, too, which is nice.
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# shaners who is ben_thatmustbeme?
# Loqi Ben Roberts Is a sysadmin and developer at a small company in Boston, MA who dreams of world domination https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Ben.thatmustbe.me
# ben_thatmustbeme dream big :P
# shaners ben_thatmustbeme add yourself to /archive#IndieWeb_Examples
# shaners i dream of a world free of domination ;)
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# ben_thatmustbeme we just working on that
# ben_thatmustbeme i just want world domination for one minute... then i'll give it all back
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# shaners sure you will, ben_thatmustbeme
# ben_thatmustbeme what if i promise?
# 
@technicalfault @tdobson no-one loves us on this page :( http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting (twitter.com/_/status/519592156604809217)
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# ben_thatmustbeme that tweet is already deleted
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# kylewm it was about Bytemark hosting
# ben_thatmustbeme which is listed there
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# reedstrm what is bytemark
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bytemark" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=bytemark
# reedstrm what is bytemark hosting
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bytemark hosting" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=bytemark+hosting
# jdp23 kylewm thanks for setting up the Facebook event
# jdp23 for the hwc tomorrow
# Loqi jdp23: kylewm left you a message on 10/6 at 4:17pm: La Boulange works, let's go forward with that
# jdp23 !tell kylewm thanks for setting up the Facebook event for the hwc tomorrow ... see you there!
# Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# kylewm sure! looking forward to it :)
# Loqi kylewm: jdp23 left you a message 26 seconds ago: thanks for setting up the Facebook event for the hwc tomorrow ... see you there!
# Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/12802152/1531429417103947/623727023 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-08-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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# @williamheath Great to hear how indieweb pivoted from org-centric getting data from soc-net sites to individual-centric posting @benwerd @erinjo (twitter.com/_/status/519609540514312192)
# gRegor` Hah. Pivot.
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# iamshane.com edited /archive (+194) "add composite feed and pagination examples to my /archive section" (view diff)
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@CaptainKurtis @coreyjsax Using #indieweb solutions like @withknown instead of Facebook is a good start. Facebook is destroying humanity and intimacy. (twitter.com/_/status/519619192530554880)
# pdurbin whoa, http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge is this weekend
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# GWG pdurbin: Whoa?
# pdurbin WHOA!
# GWG pdurbin: Didn't realize?
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# pdurbin sneaking up on me
# GWG pdurbin: You going?
# pdurbin was planning on it. but I was just away for over a week for a conference in SF. tough on the family
# GWG It's just a bad week. I'll be there for a bit remotely.
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# xxcoeurx1 so headsup, i'll be in cisco around the 9th of january.
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