#indiewebcamp 2014-10-08

2014-10-08 UTC
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@tobyward RT @nicjoy: Learning about #IndieWeb movement - interesting things taking place surrounding decentralization of web content. #posse #Intran… (twitter.com/_/status/519641385717092352)
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Loqi [mention] http://singularitybookreviews.com/p-o-s-s-e-an-indieweb-concept/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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@Singularitybook P.O.S.S.E. an “IndieWeb” concept http://singularitybookreviews.com/p-o-s-s-e-an-indieweb-concept/ (twitter.com/_/status/519685831854792705)
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@hondanhon Is http://Tilde.Club More Indie Web Than IndieWeb? (twitter.com/_/status/519696716732186624)
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@kevinmarks @hondanhon well, strictly http://tilde.club is a silo, but do use webmention, h-feed markup. I'd POSSE http://www.kevinmarks.com/ there (twitter.com/_/status/519698964711350272)
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KevinMarks_ Must read http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point
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xxcoeurx1 KevinMarks: where are ou situated these days btw?
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KevinMarks san jose still
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xxcoeurx1 KevinMarks: how's the job market there? :)
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xxcoeurx1 system/infrastructure-architect wise.
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carmen Turtle is the best format for data since text/plain, you MF2 freaks are going to have to sell me
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KevinMarks_ Hi Carmen
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KevinMarks_ We're not going to tell you how to store your data, owning your own data is key here
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KevinMarks_ But if you have it in a form you like, you should be able to generate html with microformats from it so we can read what you have to say
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@crema IndieWebというグループについて調べているんだけど、日本人で関わっている方って、いらっしゃるのかしら？ http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/519779749741084672)
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shaners carmen: please add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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@hummelriegel https://getsatisfaction.com/sportstracklive/topics/keep-data-private?rfm=1 @sportstracklive keep your user data private, if they want so. #privacy #noway #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/519809352278896640)
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@Nijish9 #Ello, Known, #indieweb, and life after "Peak Facebook" http://quibb.com/links/ello-known-indieweb-and-life-after-peak-facebook/view (twitter.com/_/status/519814212713844737)
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petermolnar if anyone is interested, ycombinator release official api for their news section: http://blog.ycombinator.com/hacker-news-api
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@julien51 @kyle_wm That's an interesting idea. I think #webmentions endpoint should be added to #Atom feeds, maybe using rel="webmention" ? (twitter.com/_/status/519834406627053568)
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acegiak !tell benwerd in your checkins your e-conent contains a script that includes a reference to a varable called L on the first line. that var isnt set in the e-content as far as i can tell so by browser javascript crashes when displaying those notes?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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jonnybarnes acegiak: L is a variabel that is set by the mapping library leaflet.js, maybe something to do with that?
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acegiak jonnybarnes: yeah it is, but the library probably nneds to be require_onced if you're putting it in the content
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acegiak but this just hilights my need for better handling of script tags in whisperfollow
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acegiak if only services like vine and soundcloud used iframe sharing instead of script tags
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acegiak anyway i should sleep
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@obra Boarded AA1544 sfo-dfw en route to Boston for cyborgcamp and indiewebcamp. (twitter.com/_/status/519844849420218368)
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tfontaine Well, I first missed the "en route to Boston" part of that tweet and was exciting something was happening in DFW.
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pdurbin nice! @obra isn't on the guest list at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Guest_List but I'd love to meet him
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GWG Good morning, regardless of whether its not
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GWG Whether or not it is morning, not the good part
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ShaneHudson Hey everyone :)
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Loqi ShaneHudson: gRegor` left you a message on 9/30 at 8:32am: I don't have experience with Squarespace, but my understanding is you have full control of the HTML, so you could use it for indieweb. Webmention would be tricky, of course. Unless we encouraged them to add support for it. :)
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Loqi ShaneHudson: snarfed left you a message on 9/30 at 10:02am: re G+ POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google+#POSSE
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Loqi ShaneHudson: bret left you a message on 10/4 at 3:34pm: ampersands on your sites index page are turning into "&amp"
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ShaneHudson Hey EOGreer :)
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ShaneHudson Welcome to #IndieWebCamp!
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EOGreer Hello :)
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ShaneHudson Is anyone around? EOGreer (Edd Greer) is new, trying to show him the ropes
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ShaneHudson To get started take a look at:
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ShaneHudson what is indie auth?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indie auth" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=indie+auth
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ShaneHudson Hmm odd. http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth There you go
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shanehudson.net created /indie_auth (+23) "Adding redirect for indie auth" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson What is indie auth?
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Loqi IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites http://indiewebcamp.com/indie_auth
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ShaneHudson Much better :)
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ShaneHudson Also:
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ShaneHudson What is webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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shanehudson.net edited /IRC (+100) "The channel details were at bottom of the page, adding to the quick start" (view diff)
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ShaneHudson What is posse?
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Loqi POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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reedstrm Morning all! Welcome EOGreer!
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ben_thatmustbeme morning all
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EOGreer Hi :)
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tfontaine ShaneHudson: You've more or less got control. You can have MORE control with business or greater accounts, but you can inject almost anything you want even at the personal level. Not sure how that's changing with SquareSpace 7, but not a lot I think.
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tfontaine And as gRegor` said, Webmention would be the sticking point.
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barnabywalters if you’re referring to getting webmention comments working on squarespace, if you can author arbitrary HTML then it’s doable. Just treat it as a static site and use a tool for webmention comments on static sites
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EOGreer Shane says: Ah if you can inject then it should be fine, I think there is a webmention service it could hook into? I have to dash, but Edd is wanting to learn about indie web. I think he's done the first few steps :) Seeya!
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barnabywalters greetings EOGreer! do you have a personal site already?
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EOGreer Hello, I do. It's fallen a little out of date though! :p eogreer.me
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barnabywalters great! try running it through some of the tests on indiewebify.me for suggestions on easy bits of markup you can add to enable things like indieauth
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jonnybarnes hey barnabywalters I've been working on my authorship algorithm and it now does what yours does for my notes, i.e. it gives the facebook url for the author url
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jonnybarnes so its good to know my markup fails in the same way on too different implementations :)
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jonnybarnes and I've just realised, php-mf2 will edit the HTML it gives out to resolve relative URLs into absolute ones!
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters++
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Loqi barnabywalters has 74 karma
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barnabywalters yup! it’ll also replace <img> with alt, falling back to src, in plaintext versions of content
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: have you released your authorshp algorithm code anywhere?
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: https://github.com/jonnybarnes/webmentions-parser/blob/master/src/Authorship.php
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jonnybarnes I need to work out how to do the unit tests better though
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jonnybarnes at the moment I have that mockAdatper() method to make guzzle return some repdefined HTML when its needed in the tests
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: great! you might consider allowing a guzzle client to be passed in as a constructor argument instead of having a method which does a testing-specific task
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barnabywalters e.g. __construct($client = null) { $this->client = $client === null ? new Client() : $client; }
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barnabywalters that way you can tailor the client however you want without the parser having to understand it
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barnabywalters e.g. adding support for a cache, changing the user-agent or SSL settings (all things I’ve had to do regularly with HTTP clients)
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barnabywalters and indeed passing in a mocked client for testing
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GWG Hello, barnabywalters. Long time no communicate
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barnabywalters greetings GWG!
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GWG barnabywalters: How are the itches?
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jonnybarnes if I'm reading that right, if $client is null (the default if nothing is passed in instantiation) then a default Guzzle client is created?
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barnabywalters GWG: supposed to have mainly be working on shrewdness recently but got distracted with authorship and representative h-card parsing. Managed to get some improvements to the reader done
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: exactly — there’s a sane default (creating a basic client), but the caller can pass it’s own in with whatever modifications already done
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barnabywalters without the Authorship class having to have any knowledge/assumptions about what customisations might need to be made to it’s client
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GWG barnabywalters: Are you using shrewdness yourself?
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barnabywalters GWG: yep! it, along with bridgy, have completely replaced twitter.com
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GWG Twitter?
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GWG How does it replace Twitter?
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GWG Are you pulling in people who 'live' only on Twitter?
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barnabywalters GWG: it’s a multi-column (tweetdeck-like) reader which can subscribe to microformats content, and has inline micropub reply UI
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barnabywalters I’m pulling in twitter content via activitystreams-unofficial, and RSS/ATOM via unmung
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@poppastring @Luvvie We need to own our own content and conduct our own backups (stop renting your own ideas). http://www.poppastring.com/OwnYourData.aspx (twitter.com/_/status/519880090621333504)
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barnabywalters eventually I’ll probably have to implement both natively in shrewdness, but thanks to julien51, snarfed and KevinMarks I can concentrate on more important UI/UX design rather than building too much plumbing upfront
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: https://github.com/jonnybarnes/webmentions-parser/blob/master/src/Parser.php#L28 is an interesting design decision, to ignore “plain” mentions and only support replies/likes/reposts. I’d be interested to hear the thinking behind that
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barnabywalters although having said that, IME there are far fewer “mention” webmentions being sent compared to replies/reposts/likes
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ben_thatmustbeme finally said the hell with it, i'll check out Ello, and put my email in for an invite
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ben_thatmustbeme wasn't going to bother, but ehh
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lewiscowper ah, you should have said ben_thatmustbeme, I had like 25 invites to give out, but I deleted my account today because it was rubbish.
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, its okay
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lewiscowper I kept looking out for people who wanted one, but couldn't see people
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ben_thatmustbeme i am in no rush to get on
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Loqi ahaha
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tfontaine ben_thatmustbeme I can send you an invite
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ben_thatmustbeme sure
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ben_thatmustbeme ben@thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme i love that i can actually publish my e-mail address again and i really don't worry
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@withknown The Known team is in Cambridge for both Cyborg Camp and #IndieWebCamp. Learn more: http://cyborgcamp.com and http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/519883822670692355)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.withknown.com/2014/the-known-team-is-in-cambridge-for-both-cyborg-camp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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carmen had to have a time/space conflict w/ HONK/Octoberfest
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carmen let's see. sit in a room in a $350million Gehry or listen to msic outside...
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carmen jk i might show up
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: what changed that you don't worry about publishing your email?
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ben_thatmustbeme not really sure, perhaps its that I use G-mail and its spam filtering is so good
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ben_thatmustbeme part of it is probably that I don't use windows at all anymore, so I don't worry about any virus being mailed to me
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ben_thatmustbeme I just don't worry about it anymore
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kylewm yeah I only get "legitimate" spam now... linkedin notifications etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme i turned all that crap off too already
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ben_thatmustbeme or it goes to my old University address
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carmen amuses me when ppl about open/indie will then turn around and parade around w/ proprietary-as-all-getout and patented-to-high-heaven laptops https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoDDis5CcAAzZRa.jpg:large
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carmen when cheapo ARM/MIPS ultrageneric stuff off aliexpress is at least decent enough these days, with Debian or even AOSP to do hacking on
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ben_thatmustbeme well, doesn't necessarily mean they are using osX, just the hardware, and honestly when it comes to laptops, its rare that anyone swaps out hardware in them.
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ShaneHudson I think the difference is that avoiding the proprietary hardware is mostly political whereas wanting to own your own data isn't quite so much. If I could fully trust twitter or facebook and they produced a service that scratched my itches then I would probably use them :)
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ben_thatmustbeme Honestly If it weren't so expensive i'm have linux running on a chromebook pixel
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ShaneHudson Hah I have only ever seen one!
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ben_thatmustbeme i have only ever seen them in videos / photos. never in person.. still want it
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ben_thatmustbeme my linux laptop (previously windows) is a behemoth with terrible battery life
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ben_thatmustbeme if they made a chromebook with all the same specs but a non-touch screen thus dropping the price significantly, I'd probably do that one
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ben_thatmustbeme anyway, off to lunch
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reedstrm carmen++
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Loqi carmen has 1 karma
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@myfreeweb @rockbot looks like you might be interested in http://indiewebcamp.com :) (twitter.com/_/status/519892067083112448)
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reedstrm I've said the same thing myself, here. ShaneHudson disagree with the distinction you make between hardware and software. How is owning your own data, and sharing it out not Freedom of the Press in its most fundamental form?
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reedstrm I want hardware that doesn't leave me beholden to a megacorp who's interests don't necessarily align with mine. Same with my publicly shared data.
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ShaneHudson Is your question an argument against what I said? Because I do completely agree. I do think hardware is rather different in that an open source CPU doesn't give me many advantages whereas using Linux or an indieweb site does
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@poppastring Just did a backup of my blog, represents too much time and effort to be left to chance http://www.poppastring.com/OwnYourData.aspx (twitter.com/_/status/519893447260798976)
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reedstrm Well, you jump from hardware all the way down to the CPU. There are layers in between - closed hardware probably does not let me put my own software on board, for example.
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ShaneHudson Perhaps, for instance an iphone. But you can have Linux or even Windows on Apple hardware
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reedstrm (Though I agree, I'm usually tweaked by open/indie types running OSX on that hardware)
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ShaneHudson and vise versa (to some degree)
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ShaneHudson I am running OSX but that's just personal preference
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reedstrm OSX on non-OSX hardware may be possible but is not legal.
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ShaneHudson Yeah that's why I said to some degree lol
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reedstrm Well, that's were we disagree - yes it's personal preference. But it's not 'just'.
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ShaneHudson Same reason I POSSE to Twitter. I still want to use it, personal preference.
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ShaneHudson But let's have a more detailed discussion at another time, currently trying not to burn my food :D
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reedstrm Ah, right - that's why I'm hungry! Lunch!
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reedstrm Right- we all have to draw our personal line somewhere.
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aaronpk_ it's also nice that osx/hardware stuff has nothing to do with indieweb
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aaronpk_ so we can leave that debate for elsewhere :D
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reedstrm what is ShaneHudson
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/shanehudson
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reedstrm agreed, aaronpk_
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ShaneHudson I need to think of a one line bio for the dfn lol
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reedstrm The deep point I should write a blog about: choices matter. "Why don't I just post to FB, it's sooo much easier" _is_ the discussion about indieweb we all have experienced. Ease of use vs. freedom of one sort or another. Reoccurring theme.
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reedstrm Is there any activity in the mobile space for all this? Are people just using their websites from mobile browsers? (which usually works quite well, I must say - minimalist designs lend themselves to responsiveness)
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aaronpk_ I wrote an iPhone app as well as a Pebble app for posting to my site
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ShaneHudson I'm planning to write a android micropub app for images, once I get micropub working
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reedstrm posting from Pebble?
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reedstrm How did you input?
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aaronpk_ reedstrm: I will be giving a demo this weekend :)
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reedstrm ShaneHudson: excellent example - replace G+ auto-push save, which is so convenient.
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ShaneHudson Yeah I use G+ auto-push a lot. It saved same photos from China when my phone was stolen!
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aaronpk_ reedstrm: here's my iOS micropub app: https://github.com/aaronpk/PushupCounter-iOS
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reedstrm Ahha! So it counts for a while, then sends when you stop?
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aaronpk_ there's a "save" button which I press after a round
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reedstrm I like it!
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ShaneHudson Has there been any discussion on ephermeral webmention? It goes against long web but I've found snapchat useful now that it has a chat feature
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ShaneHudson Ok I've realised that my biggest itch is that although I have POSSE to twitter, I still often post using Twitter.com (and mobile app)
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aaronpk_ really why?
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ShaneHudson I think it is because I read it there
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aaronpk_ that's why integrated reading/posting is so important to solve
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ShaneHudson I POSSE some but not even the majority, which isn't good. Also my interface for replying isn't nice as I have to find user id etc
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aaronpk_ right now I read in the twitter app and then copy the tweet URL and paste it into my phone's posting interface. it's hacky but it works.
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ShaneHudson Hmm the full URL? I'm not set up to do it that way currently
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aaronpk_ you should! cause then you can reply to any URL on the web!
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Loqi yea!
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ShaneHudson Very good point, I have webmentions set up that way (buggy) but don't use the same field for twitter. Maybe I need to lol
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reedstrm Hmm, in the android sphere, it might be possible to set up the posting app as a target for 'sharing' tweets/URLs with, from the mobile client.
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aaronpk_ reedstrm: totally
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aaronpk_ I would love to see someone build that
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reedstrm sort of backdoor integrate posting w/ whatever reading environment exists
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ShaneHudson reedstrm: Interesting! That is how my planned photo app would work
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aaronpk_ iOS 8 will have similar APIs, so I might actually take a stab at it in the nearish future
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reedstrm ShaneHudson: excellent, so no forcing of 'take a picture w/ my app so you can share it'
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aaronpk_ yep
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ShaneHudson Apple seem to be going the right route (at last). Which is good, because as much as I dislike them, they are the company that have a business model that would work with indieweb etc
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ShaneHudson reedstrm: I don't want to make a camera app, plenty of those already. Just a photo uploader/gallery
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ShaneHudson :)
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ShaneHudson maybe not even gallery lol, I'm lazy and busy!
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davidmead aaronpk: check in with GWG. We chatted about that very thing a couple of days ago http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-06#t1412623357886 when I posted about it on my blog
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davidmead aaronpk: here’s the post http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/10/06/silos-apps-bookmarklets-and-the-indieweb/
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aaronpk_ cool yeah
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ShaneHudson I also need to make sure I can publish offline. Twitter app works nicely for that
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aaronpk_ offline publishing is so important, and most people forget about it
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aaronpk_ instagram handles it nicely
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ShaneHudson Yep, hard to forget when you live in a place with poor 2G singal haha
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GWG Did someone call me?
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KevinMarks_ I post to twitter from noterlive.com on mobile, and to known.kevinmarks.com from mobile Web too
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KevinMarks_ Posting photos from known web works fine, it delegates to the camera app you choose
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KevinMarks_ I need to add micropub to noterlive.com
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KevinMarks_ Also need to tweak flowpast to read h-feed too, and maybe even post via micropub
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KevinMarks_ I need an Android app that gets the selected text and the URL to create a note - everything seems to get one or the other
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reedstrm Oh, a snippetmark ...
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GWG KevinMarks_: Shouldn't be too bad to create
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KevinMarks_ Not sure, seems harder than it looks. A mobile version of savepublishing.com
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davidmead GWG I took your name in vain :-) mentioned our chat to aaronpk, about bookmarklets on mobile devices
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davidmead does anyone know if webmentions can’t handle URLs to a comment?
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aaronpk_ what do you mean? comments have their own URLs
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GWG davidmead: I have a setup where it notifies me even if I'm not at my desk if someone uses my username
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davidmead GWG nice
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KevinMarks_ Hm, save publishing bookmarklet works in chrome android
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reedstrm GWG hmmm ...
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GWG davidmead: There is a plugin pfefferle was working on to correctly identify webmentions that are replies to comments on a post.
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KevinMarks_ So I just need to make the equivalent of that that isn't just for twitter
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GWG reedstrm: Only if I've been idl
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GWG idle
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reedstrm considers grieffer potential
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davidmead aaronpk I got a webmention to a blog post. I was trying to add the my comment reply URL to their blog but it comes back “cannot find endpoint”
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reedstrm Ah cool.
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reedstrm has very fuzzy memories of someone who used to grep for himself in the usernet spool files ...
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reedstrm Aha, I think it was Kibo!
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aaronpk_ davidmead: not sure what you mean. what is the URL of their comment?
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KevinMarks_ Check out @kevinmarks's Tweet: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/519907782213242880?s=09
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@kevinmarks “a simple workaround that will help you use bookmarklets inside Chrome on your iOS and Android phone /tablet.” http://www.labnol.org/software/google-chrome-bookmarklets/27894/ (twitter.com/_/status/519907782213242880)
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reedstrm So you could invoke him from anywhere, and probably get an answer
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KevinMarks_ Right, we named a Technorati tool that grepped blogs for your name and url kibo
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davidmead aaronpk: my post = http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/10/06/silos-apps-bookmarklets-and-the-indieweb/ his comment = http://techlifeweb.com/social/indieweb-bookmarklets/ and then i was trying to add my comment (http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/10/06/silos-apps-bookmarklets-and-the-indieweb/comment-page-1/#comment-1686) to his post via his webmention box at the bottom of his page
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reedstrm It amusing how 'all things old are new again' is it not? decentralized person-to-person communications w/ no central authority ... It's not just for sysadmins anymore!
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aaronpk_ ohh I see what you're saying
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aaronpk_ this is confusing in the model of articles with comments that live only within the article
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davidmead his site comes back with the “no endpoint” screen
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aaronpk_ everything is easier and makes more sense when every utterance has its own URL
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davidmead i know
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aaronpk_ I'm guessing his site is not parsing the URL with the fragment properly
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davidmead i guess we have to shrug off the idea of nested comments/replies
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aaronpk_ I think so
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aaronpk_ also your comment, while it does have mf2 markup, does not have a "url" property
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davidmead kevinmarks nice tweet. i’ll try that when i get home with some bookmarklets :-)
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GWG reedstrm: I set up the notification so I could know someone wanted me when I'm not here. I lurk 24 hours a day
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reedstrm davidmead: aren't fragments clientside? I wouldn't expect to receive any on any server I wrote.
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aaronpk_ technically the server could find the id specified by the fragment and look for just that h-entry
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aaronpk_ but I don't think anyone has implemented that
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aaronpk_ nor do I expect anyone to, since it's all way easier when everything has its own URL
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KevinMarks_ That was a Twitter insight
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aaronpk_ right
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KevinMarks_ We did it with blogs and Technorati too, but not as well
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reedstrm every comment, no matter how small, should live on it's own. right. Sometimes it's the 4th level reply that blows up as the meme :-)
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KevinMarks_ !tell Tantek, benwerd, ErinJo are you doing a hwc in Boston tonight?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk_ are they already in boston?
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KevinMarks_ I think they're traveling today
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kylewm are you doing one in pdx, aaronpk_?
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aaronpk_ no, I need to pack for my flight tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme besides, that would kill me, i'll be in providence tonight
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kylewm providence, that's unfortunate
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kylewm twitter is oddly starting to serve the same purpose as webmention for me... notifying others of a response to their blog pot
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kylewm post*
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bret kylewm: I got your response the other day, but didn't post because gitpub is broken
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kylewm bret: despite my not posse-ing to twitter :)
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bret distributed convos ftw
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shaners what is carmen?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "carmen" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=carmen
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shaners who is carmen?
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shaners Hi carmen! What is your personal website? And can you add yoursefl to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people please?
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@kevinmarks @KimTallBear the #indieweb is there for you and you already have your own domain (twitter.com/_/status/519925386990211072)
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@KimTallBear @kevinmarks related to IndieWebCamp? i will check out. OMG i am on a steep learning curve today. (twitter.com/_/status/519926077578547201)
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@kevinmarks @KimTallBear yes - come to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc if you have any questions (twitter.com/_/status/519926461059194880)
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kylewm wow, facebook. picking a fight with native americans
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dlyke As likely, some activist picking a fight with Native Americans, using Facebook as the tool. SWATting similar to how that (apparently one person or small group of people) went through and tagged hundreds of drag people.
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reedstrm thinks loqi needs a 'who is' alias for 'what is', just for politeness
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kylewm this is a good response https://twitter.com/afc1969/status/519896348557332480
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@afc1969 @KimTallBear @RemovingMts @facebook That's ridiculous, since SugarMountain sounds a lot more fake than TallBear (twitter.com/_/status/519896348557332480)
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reedstrm dlyke: could be, but ... would you call such a person an activist? Seems awfully, neutral. I can think of another word that starts w/ a ...
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/519926461059194880/519928885266620416 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (webmention)
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@adonaldson Bought myself a"personal shortener" domain - now need to pull my finger out and get my indieweb POSSE on! (Pub on site syndicate elsewhere) (twitter.com/_/status/519930960373379072)
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bret Ghost added support for UI editable metadata fields recently http://blog.ghost.org/post-meta/ Looks like they are using plain old <meta> tags
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: Spinning up the turbines with @adactio, excited for #BrooklynBeta, #CyborgCamp, and #indiewebcamp Cambridge this week! (ttk.me t4YW1) (twitter.com/_/status/519939186560753664)
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aaronpk_ who is aaronpk?
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Loqi Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp, currently the CTO of Esri R&D Center, Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk_ reedstrm: you didn't even try it ;)
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reedstrm sorry, busy working :-)
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reedstrm who is reedstrm
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Loqi Ross Reedstrom (reedstrm most places) is a sysadmin and developer in the area of Open Education Resources https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Www.reedstrom.org
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reedstrm aaronpk_ now _that_ is service - feature request to implementation to rollout in 43 minutes!
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aaronpk_ it was already there ;)
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cweiske who is aaronpk
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Loqi Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp, currently the CTO of Esri R&D Center, Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aaronparecki.com
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reedstrm what is foobar
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "foobar" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=foobar
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reedstrm who is foobar
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reedstrm Ah, what's missing is the 'I don't know that/them' case
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reedstrm who is fooquux
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gRegor` reedstrm: See http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi for more Loqi commands
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Loqi woot!
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gRegor` high fives Loqi
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Loqi ^5
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tfontaine what is Loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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tfontaine ;)
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gRegor` Ha! ^5 is one I haven't seen before.
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gRegor` Hey, tfontaine. Just realized you've been lurking.
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gRegor` tfontaine: Did you sign in to the wiki yet?
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tfontaine Yes.
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gRegor` who is tfontaine?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tylerfontaine.me
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gRegor` Sweet.
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gRegor` tfontaine++
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Loqi tfontaine has 1 karma
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tfontaine waves hands in the air like i just don't care
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gRegor` I need to style by chatzilla to look like indiewebcamp.com/irc/today/
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gRegor` I just read the log instead of the chatzilla scrollback because it's that much nicer
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gRegor` I would just use the ?beta chat box, if I could log in to NickServ there
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kylewm it's interesting that Ghost and davewiner's tools are both willing to hand over commetns to Disqus
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aaronpk_ that's probably because of the legacy thinking of comments as sub-content of a post, rather than as content that stands on its own
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kylewm I actually think Dave would prefer people write responses on their own site and send him a link
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kylewm (maybe without the link, in some cases, ahem)
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aaronpk_ has he mentioned that before? (his preference of one vs the other)
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@kevinmarks “In essence, social networks have manipulated the relationships I have with others.” @ashedryden http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/social-networking-as-peer-surveillance #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/519945269966692352)
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kylewm aaronpk_: actually no. i went back and looked. i was reading too much into "If you really must question the morals or intelligence of someone here, esp the blogger, then your comments belong on your blog, not mine."
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kylewm and from whyArentThereMoreWomenProgrammers "Also, I closed comments because they're almost all angry and personal now. Rather than moderating, I think it's time for people who want to say something to say it in their space. "
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danlyke reedstrm I bow to your obviously superior lexical selection. Other words starting with "a" do indeed convey the intended semantic meaning more clearly than "activist".
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reedstrm danlyke: o.k. aardvark it is, then. :-)
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reedstrm hehe I think I just found a new fav. replacement expletive - adding it to my 'f' word: Fahrvergnügen
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reedstrm can you tell I have small(ish) children?
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bret farvernugen!
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reedstrm bret: Right, context, just hit thumb with hammer, etc.
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bret lets keep that in #indiechat
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danlyke kylewm I have similar memories of Dave saying such things > 10 years ago. So even if he didn't say the words, he's been batting around the concept for a while. BTW: I've had it with all of these Fahrvergnügen aardvarks in these Fahrvergnügen comments...
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@t "Squarespace 1 through 5 was just the product I wanted for myself." - @acasalena @BrooklynBeta. #selfdogfood #indieweb (ttk.me t4YX1) (twitter.com/_/status/519951317302001664)
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aaronpk_ what happened to 6 and 7?
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tantek aaronpk, https://twitter.com/t/status/519952696695341056
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Loqi tantek: KevinMarks_ left you a message 2 hours, 45 minutes ago: are you doing a hwc in Boston tonight?
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@t "Only after 7 years did we rewrite it [to SquareSpace 6], and take investment to take risks." @acasalena @BrooklynBeta (ttk.me t4YX2) (twitter.com/_/status/519952696695341056)
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aaronpk_ oh interesting
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tantek yup. another successful thing, built for SEVEN YEARS for himself, not "every user".
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aaronpk_ nice
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tantek founder is speaking at Brooklyn Beta
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KevinMarks ask him to add indieweb support?
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tantek he showed a 60 second version of their ad
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tantek which had more things in it
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tommorris tantek: just one minor thing - http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-09-28/line/1411927440901 - FOAF isn't "based on invisible metadata". It's invisible if you put it in an RDF/XML file like 10 years ago. if you publish it as RDFa, say, then it is as visible as an XFN link. there's a vocabulary/syntax distinction there.
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tommorris the only downside I see with it is when it is applied outside of the indieweb (by which I mean, one site=one domain) context.
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tantek tommorris: the foaf linked on the web, with silly quad color circle faces, is still invisible metadata
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tommorris if tantek tells me that I should trust adactio.com, do I trust everything on *.adactio.com
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tantek no
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tantek not about "trust"
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tantek I deliberately do not use that word
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tantek because all the semweb folks then (deliberately?) mistinterpret
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tommorris nope, I'm not applying any thick interpretation of trust. I'm just using it as a convenient term.
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tantek tommorris: criticism of XFN link is valid. the value (e.g. friend vs. colleague) is in an invisible attribute.
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tantek aaronpk: https://twitter.com/t/status/519955829907542016
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@t "Still a part of me that codes on weekends. I do it instead of reading books. I still read books." @acasalena #creator (ttk.me t4YX3) (twitter.com/_/status/519955829907542016)
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tantek tommorris: it's one of the reasons I've stopped pursuing putting such "data" into rel
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, why do you use the short codes instead of just an actual link?
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aaronpk_ what is a permashortcitation?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: math
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Loqi A permashortcitation (or permashortid) is a short non-hyperlinked citation to a post permalink, in contrast to a permashortlink which does hyperlink to a post http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation
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reedstrm me, I did the audible thing for a couple months, listened to books instead of reading. (Did "A Song of Ice and Fire") then stopped.
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ben_thatmustbeme math?
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tommorris tantek: <strong property="schema:name foaf:name" class="fn p-name">Tom Morris</strong> - the foaf:name property isn't any more invisible than the p-name class. ;-)
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tommorris (I would be interested in seeing if we could come up with better ways to style the concept of a property or relata. but that's for another day.)
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tantek tommorris: I agree - yet that's not what people typically mean they talk about "using FOAF"
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tantek or a FOAF *file*
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tommorris Yeah, but nobody talks about using a FOAF file anymore.
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tommorris ;)
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tantek tommorris: still see the silly quadcolor icons that link to gibberish in the browser
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tommorris Are they still used anywhere on the actually-live-updated web?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: strlen("(ttk.me t4YX3)") < 22
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tantek tommorris: on people's home pages
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, interesting arguement on the permashortcitation bit. I may have to implement that this weekend
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tantek tommorris: for example, people here, like bear.im ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme i see the argument as far a UX, math argument does not make sense to me, s/ /\// would be just as many characters
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aaronpk_ ben_thatmustbeme: with the slash, twitter autolinks it, turning it into 22
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aaronpk_ s/autolink/t.co's
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Loqi aaronpk_ meant to say: ben_thatmustbeme: with the slash, twitter t.co'ss it, turning it into 22
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ben_thatmustbeme aaaaaahhh, i see
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tommorris tantek: let me see if I get the vouch-for stuff right. tantek.com tells tommorris.org's webmention endpoint that tantek.com links to tommorris.org, and the vouch link points to a post on adactio.com that contains a link back to another post on tantek.com, so I can then see "oh, adactio.com has also linked to tommorris.org, so perhaps adactio.com reckons
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tommorris tantek.com is an actual legitimate website so can be pushed further up the list".
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tommorris (and by "pushed further up the list", i mean it might be auto-approved rather than held for moderation etc.)
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ben_thatmustbeme not quite
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ben_thatmustbeme "oh, adactio.com IS LINKED ON tommorris.org,
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tantek tommorris: rather than try to parse that as what I said, I'm going to actually write-up what I said in IRC as it is more minimal
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tantek and doesn't need any abstractions like "pushed further up the list"
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tommorris ushers tantek towards the wiki. :)
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ben_thatmustbeme tommorris, you linked to adactio, adactio linked to tantek. tantek sends you a webmention with link to adactio's post which links to tantek.... you already know you link to adactio, tantek's vouch has proved tantek is a second degree friend
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to think of a better phrase than second degree friend.... second degree of separation?
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ben_thatmustbeme 2-hop
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tantek tommorris: I know. :)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: don't even need to say friend.
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, its more just distance in links
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tommorris I'm generally not bothered by the label of the property used (e.g. friend, trust etc.)
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ben_thatmustbeme regardless, did that description make more sense?
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tommorris One of the most important things I learned as an undergrad philosophy student: if you get emotionally attached to a concept, replace it with a letter. God became 'X'. Can you prove that X exists? :)
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tommorris ben_thatmustbeme: marginally. I'll sleep on it. :)
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tommorris the substantive question I'd ask is how you scope the sites. if the vouch-for stuff in this example causes me to think "oh, tantek.com is on the good guys list", how far does that go?
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tommorris so, is it determined on the domain level? like, would extras.adactio.com or wiki.tommorris.org be covered?
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tommorris and if it's determined on the domain level, what happens with blogspot.com and wordpress.com?
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tommorris working out how you 'scope' a website is hard.
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ben_thatmustbeme domain level, but a rel=nofollow does not count
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ben_thatmustbeme thus don't link to multi-user sites with rel=nofollow
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indie-visitor Pardon me for interrupting this discussion. I am trying to register for the Indie Web Camp and runing into difficluties registering my website. Is there someone I can email my plans to attend this weekend? Should I just show up?
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tommorris wildcard domain or just whatever is linked to?
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tommorris indie-visitor: people in this channel can probably help. :)
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tommorris has to run away now.
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ben_thatmustbeme indie-visitor, whats your name / site?
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danlyke tommorris I see two vulnerabilities to webmention: spam, and DDOS. I see the "vouch" as a way to address DDOS more than spam, but even so I'd limit to host names, and maybe equate www.example.com with example.com, just because.
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aaronpk_ hard-coding things like www.example.com=example.com is not a good idea because that opens another attack vector
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indie-visitor If anyone can give me somepointers, i do have a drual site http://everybodyknowsit.com/, but it is empty and I am not a huge fan of social media. I have a linke in account.
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aaronpk_ if one sends a redirect to the other then they can be considered equivalent
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indie-visitor My name is Kendra
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danlyke indie-visitor you can change your nickname on IRC with "/nick Kendra". Can't help you with the actual IndieWebCamp attendance, I just do the Homebrew Website Club meetups.
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tommorris indie-visitor: if you add a link like <a href="mailto:[your email]" rel="me">my email</a> to your website, you can sign in using Mozilla Persona.
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danlyke aaronpk I've seen enough sites that serve identical content from both that I'm okay with ignoring leading "www"s in comparing domain names. What attack vector do you see? That a domain serves different content for www.example.com and example.com, and a vouch links to one and not the other?
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ben_thatmustbeme i have to run and catch the train. Good luck Kendra. If you can't work it out someone could just add you as and apprentice
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aaronpk_ danlyke: if a site does not serve www.example.com, but allows users to register subdomains, then someone could register www.example.com on a site. imagine withknown.com for example, if someone made a user account "www"
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danlyke aaronpk true, but I can't imagine a site making that mistake. maybe I'm just young and naive, though.
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aaronpk_ http://www1.withknown.com/
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danlyke aaronpk yeah, i was just going to limit to "www.". I don't believe that www\d+ (or even www.*+) and www should be treated identically.
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aaronpk_ i'm just saying that if someone were to forget to blacklist that, it could be dangerous
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aaronpk_ better is to generalize it so that URLs that send redirects are treated equivalent, that way someone could say www.example.com = example.com intentionally
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kylewm did we lose Kendra?
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bret kylewm: who is Kendra?
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kylewm bret: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-08#t1412803515767
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bret ahh i see
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gRegor` I didn't see a part or nick change, but no indie-visitor in the list
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gRegor` Hopefully she'll just show up at IWC regardless and not give up
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bret Kendra come back! :[
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tilgovi I'm thinking abuot some SOA for my infrastructure and toying with the idea of using webfinger for my services to discover the email address of my users
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tilgovi I have published pseudonyms for users, things like acct:alice@example.com
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tilgovi but I'm not providing email services for alice
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tilgovi though I have verified alice's email address during signup, and my account server knows it
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tilgovi My thought was to have other services I deploy do a webfinger query for alice at my primary domain, where my account service can respond
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tilgovi but I'm not sure what link relation to use for that
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shaners what is webfinger?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/WebFinger
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tilgovi foaf:mbox? h-card?
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tilgovi just delegate and use acct as the relation to the real email address?
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tilgovi (when I get to the end, assume it's an email address, or at least try to send it there?)
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shaners Hi tilgovi. Can you add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people please?
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tilgovi sure
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gRegor` What is SOA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SOA" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SOA
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shaners what is WebFinger?
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Loqi WebFinger is a discovery protocol for the web http://indiewebcamp.com/WebFinger
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gRegor` SOA: Service Oriented Architecture, apparently
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gRegor` tilgovi: What is your use-case for WebFinger?
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tilgovi decoupling one of my services from my central account service
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tilgovi rather than having both know how to access my database of username -> email
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tilgovi only the account service would
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tilgovi but my other services could make authorized requests against the webfinger endpoint to ask that the account server provide the email address for a particular username
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aaronpk1 oops hah
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aaronpk_ tilgovi: is this for your personal site?
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tilgovi nope
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aaronpk_ Ah ok. Was wondering what use case someone would have for Webfinger on their own site
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shaners tilgovi what is your personal website?
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kylewm mattl++
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Loqi mattl has 2 karma
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tilgovi shaners: I realized it was down because my DNS was busted as soon as you asked me to log into the wiki and add myself
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tilgovi so I'm bringing it back up now :-D
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shaners serendipity!
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bret i think I had webfinger set up on my own site for a bit when I was playing around with the local storage project
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tilgovi so the question boils down to this
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tilgovi If I've got accounts which do _not_ receive mail
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tilgovi How should I use webfinger to discover the email address
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tilgovi Is there a rel I should use directly from the webfinger response
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tilgovi Or should I rel over to an hcard
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bret no idea heh!
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mattl kylewm: thanks.
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bret what is consuming the web finger?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "consuming the web finger" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=consuming+the+web+finger
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bret bad Loqi!
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Loqi who, me?
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tilgovi a backend email subscription service
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shaners generally speaking, the indieweb set prefers HTML+microformats2 for these kind of things.
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tilgovi yeah
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tilgovi that would suggest hcard
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shaners h-card, yeah
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tilgovi right, h-card
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shaners http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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bret tilgovi: try adding an h-card to the site, and parsing it with http://tools.transmat.io
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bret and look for the "email" key
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bret (just as an example)
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bret tilgovi: is the issue that webfinger addresses look like email addresses?
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tilgovi I think the issue is just that since webfinger addresses often are email addresses I was having trouble finding prior art where webfinger was used to resolve the email address
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tilgovi but it doesn't seem like an incorrect usage
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tilgovi at all
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bret i always though the primary use case for webfinger, in theory was to query an email address and get back key pair value
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bret but you can also add webfinger to a web page, at which point, its not an email address
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bret values*
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tilgovi webfinger hasn't ever required that the identifier be an email address, afaik
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bret true!
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tilgovi alright
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tilgovi I think I'll go with h-card
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bret personally, I think it makes it kind of confusing.... if you are at a website, why not just look at the site
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bret why rely on .well-known hidden metadata
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shaners bret++
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Loqi bret has 32 karma
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tilgovi in this case no one is looking at a website
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tilgovi one service is seeing that some activity happened and wishes to notify a user in response
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tilgovi and it needs to know the email address of that user
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tilgovi but even though the user identifier is in a username@provider format
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tilgovi it is not necessarily their email address
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bret what are the possible providers?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "the possible providers" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+possible+providers
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tilgovi anyone who wants to run the api server
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kylewm danlyke: are you coming to HWC tonight?
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bret tilgovi: does the user have a profile url?
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tilgovi yeah
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tilgovi so I'm thinking put h-card markup there
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danlyke kylewm nope, I'm hitting the "Testing Python, Introduction to OpenSCAD modelling and Jamine.js unit testing" event at Chimera in Sebastopol this evening.
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bret always?
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tilgovi I mean, it's easy for me to decide that they will
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bret tilgovi: If there is always a resolvable permalink, adding microformat 2 to the html that lives there would be pretty simple
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danlyke And I think I'll miss the next HWC (22nd), too, alas.
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tilgovi yeah
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tilgovi I agree
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tilgovi so I think the plan is h-card uf2 on the profile page
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tilgovi link to it via webfinger
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tilgovi thanks for the chat
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tilgovi btw, here's the personal site, which is pretty weak
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tilgovi http://randall.bleeds.info/
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tilgovi mostly just that for indieauth
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kylewm danlyke: we'll miss you, but that event sounds cool
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bret tilgovi: np!
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bret the only compelling case for webfinger that I have seen is the concept of starting with a real email address, then querying for metadata via webfinger (ignoring support info). If your starting with an html profile with a permalink, microformats 2/h-card is ultra simple/easy and makes more sense.
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bret i think the whole webfinger address that isn't actually an email address really confuses things, since it looks identical to an email address
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bret tilgovi: is this for annotate.it?
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tilgovi hypothes.is
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bret err i mean http://annotateit.org*
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tilgovi similar
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tilgovi we don't administer that domain
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tilgovi although nickstenning was the person at okf that was, and he's working with us now
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bret oh i thought that was a hypothes.is project
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bret ahh isee
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tilgovi it's altogether possible we might consolidate at some point, if it's in the interest of the community
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bret was playing with annotate.it the other day with a friend. he wanted a way to add comments to small sections on his web pages
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bret super easy!
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tilgovi sweet :)
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tilgovi we've finally found some time to put in work on annotator v2
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tilgovi nick has done an excellent job
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tilgovi it's also mostly converted to js (not coffeescript) now
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tilgovi big relief
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bret w00t!
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Loqi :D
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tilgovi and the UI is separated from the core
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tilgovi they'll be a group of us in palo alto next week trying to get it ready to support the open annotation spec, too
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tilgovi I still want to take a couple days sometime and try to add webmention support
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tilgovi I think it'd be very cool to have it support both sending and receiving webmentions
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tilgovi when I annotate your page, you get a webmention
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bret there has been one really good example of that so far
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tilgovi If you have a page that's totally static and you don't want to run a backend that receives webmentions, you can put our JS on the page and a link to our webmention endpoint in and we'll pull mentions in as annotations client-side
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bret the js + separate backend layer on top is sweet and a wonderful option
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tilgovi ideally everyone could host their own webmention endpoint and receive them themselves
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tilgovi but of course that's not always going to be the case
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bret https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia##fragmentions+come+in did a beautiful job at doing it natively. was looking at annotator because neither my friend or I have time do do a real built in annotation system
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tilgovi having something client side that can be used to outsource it could be nice
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bret totally
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bret there is already a decent WM project doing simple display of WMs and storage https://webmention.herokuapp.com
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tilgovi nice
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bret but doesn't do the annotator display or interface
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tilgovi I wonder if we should support fragmentions
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tilgovi I'm not sure
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tilgovi we have text-based anchoring
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tilgovi but it's a bit more complicated
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bret http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention
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tilgovi I see that https://github.com/chapmanu/fragmentions/blob/master/fragmention.js requires that the text be entirely contained in one element
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bret the simplicity is a nice quality of fragmentions, it
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JonathanNeal tilgovi: no, not actually.
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bret s close to as simple as an @name
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tilgovi the simplicity is quite nice
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tilgovi JonathanNeal: no?
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JonathanNeal it tries to get it down to the nearest possible container.
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JonathanNeal but i’m always looking for ways this can be improved, and i would love help
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bret i want to see browsers support something like fragmention
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tilgovi ahhh
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tilgovi because innerText will give you all the text, including text of children?
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JonathanNeal Yes, but it stll tries to drill down.
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tilgovi right, I see it now.
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tilgovi I like it a lot.
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bret ctr-fing some text and right clicking the highlight would generate a fragnention urll
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bret that would be super rad
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JonathanNeal There’s a chrome addon for doing just that.
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tilgovi this is great
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bret cool!
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tilgovi I'll definitely bring up fragmention in the annotation wg at some point
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bret https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fragmentions/pgajkeekgcmgglngchhmcmnkffnhihck
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bret JonathanNeal: there was some discussions about the use of ## a while back? was there any resolution on if that is a good idea or something different should be used
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bret (maybe you know0
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JonathanNeal bret: KevinMarks has advocated use of singular # which becomes a fragmention if it does not match as an ID
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bret tilgovi: its kind of subtle, but that https://kartikprabhu.com link above actually does medium/annotator style comment display based on the webmention containing a fragmention
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tilgovi nice!
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bret click the little text bubble under some paragraphs
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JonathanNeal kartik is pretty awesome.
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KevinMarks I need to find someone to beat w3c login up for me so I can join that call
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bret JonathanNeal: any reason not to do that?
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bret progressive enhancement of the existing use of #
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KevinMarks wants to build a version that selects the text at some point
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JonathanNeal tilgovi: annotation wg?
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JonathanNeal any reason not to do what?
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KevinMarks 'cos that gives a better motivation for picking a good selection than "shortest bit thta hits the para"
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tilgovi http://www.w3.org/annotation/
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tilgovi chartered as of a month ago
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bret found the chrome extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fragmentions/pgajkeekgcmgglngchhmcmnkffnhihck
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bret JonathanNeal: any reason not to enhance a single # with fragmentions
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@amblin @lucasratmundo All posts, personal website -> POSSE #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/519996589822447616)
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JonathanNeal bret: it works like that currently, progressively.
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JonathanNeal If you ever have any cool screenshots to share for fragmentions, I’ll use them in the chrome store.
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JonathanNeal Wow, that w3 annotation wg seems right up fragmention’s alley. Is KevinMarks in the group, tilgovi?
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tilgovi KevinMarks: ?
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KevinMarks I went to the pre-event, whcih is where I got he fragmention idea
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JonathanNeal Wow, and that was when, May?
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KevinMarks I'm in the IRC, but i can't login into w3c
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KevinMarks April 2nd http://www.kevinmarks.com/w3cannotation.html
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@TapestryMaker Known, #ello, and Twitter: #indieweb in action! http://stream.tapestrymaker.net/2014/known-ello-and-twitter-indieweb-in-action (twitter.com/_/status/519998233628532736)
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JonathanNeal If someone can find a way, in javascript, to move a selection forward by one character, I could probably make the major improvements to fragmention.js i’ve wanted to
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.tapestrymaker.net/2014/known-ello-and-twitter-indieweb-in-action linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.tapestrymaker.net/2014/known-ello-and-twitter-indieweb-in-action linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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KevinMarks the selected text in the browser you mean?
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JonathanNeal Yea, it’s easy-pleasey to get and create selections in modern browsers.
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JonathanNeal It’s still very awkward to manipulate them.
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KevinMarks oh, because you can select arbitrary things like buttons?