#indiewebcamp 2014-10-14

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mattl cr: what about Short Circuit 2?
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cr i got an email, forgot about libre.fm
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cr does scrobler.fm support it? if not i think i'll add it
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cr http://scroblr.fm/
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mattl it doesn't. i wish it did.
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mattl cr: yeah, i do like Short Circuit 2
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sivy \\o \o/ o//
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ben_thatmust INNNNPUUUUUT
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ben_thatmust been checking no existing value would really make sense
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@Uebyn @kevinmarks @t In a way, that's a good thing right? Increasing popularity for the #indieweb. 👍 (twitter.com/_/status/521826986616823808)
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@Uebyn RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we have sketched out the vouch flow now at http://indiewebcamp.com/vouch (twitter.com/_/status/521827036201881600)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/521426340051185664/521827036201881600 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/vouch (webmention)
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@philipdurbin @willowbl00 oh yeah, @marinaz was leaving @cloverKND as the #indieweb crew was arriving on Saturday. I should have jumped up and said hi. (twitter.com/_/status/521830943339077632)
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pdurbin see also http://irclogs.jackgrigg.com/irc.freenode.net/openhatch/2014-10-14#i_3468722 :)
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sivy good evening
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GWG Evening, sivy
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@philipdurbin .@marinaz it was a good turnout! We all hang out in #indiewebcamp on freenode. Join us! :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/521846303836618752/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/521846303836618752)
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GWG I need some advice
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shaners GWG still need some advice?
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GWG shaners: Always
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shaners hit me
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shaners buy low. sell high.
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shaners don't eat yellow snow.
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shaners don't spit into the window.
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shaners always let the wookie win.
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GWG When doing a reply-context or other contexts, what should you extract from an mf2 site as part of the presentation?
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rascul my sister loving her known site :)
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shaners GWG for example?
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shaners GWG can you give me a URL of a post of yours that is in reply to another site (wth mf2)?
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cr http://m.whats-your.name/msg/864/6DB96B1A-7397-4FE2-BB41-D10028D828F0@ugent.be.ttl
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cr reply relation is described with "sioc:reply_of", defined at http://sioc-project.org/ontology#term_reply_of
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GWG shaners: Well, let's say I responded to something on the site of someone here
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GWG I wanted to come up with something that made sense.
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shaners i understand, i'd like to point to something concrete, if possible
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shaners but the short version is the .h-entry at the url that you're replying to
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GWG How about this?
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GWG Here is a like-context
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/04/27/exciting-news-bridgy/
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shaners and then opitonally, you can walk up the reply thread (if the url you're replying to is in reply to something else)
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GWG Right now, for the plugin, there are three hardcoded fields...
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GWG The plugin that generates the context. Response URL, Response Title, and Response Quote(optional)
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GWG I want to try to retrieve some of that
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shaners http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdavid.shanske.com%2Fnotes%2F2014%2F04%2F27%2Fexciting-news-bridgy%2F
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shaners you can parse out what you need from the json dump of the page
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GWG I think someone wrote a library for that.
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shaners what sofware do you use to power your site?
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GWG WordPress
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snarfed for reply contexts, title, summary, or e-content are basically the state of the art right now afaik
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GWG snarfed: I want to extract that information instead of manually entering it
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GWG I'm trying to figure out what to extract.
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shaners ok. are you asking WHAT to extract or HOW to extract it?
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snarfed GWG: right. my point is, afaik no one has done that well (or at all) yet. people have talked about algorithms for extracting representative snippets from longer articles, but just vague talk so far
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GWG What
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shaners (good timing)
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GWG snarfed: I'll start with notes, I guess
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snarfed related: http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context#original_content , http://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context-examples
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shaners i see. it's up to you, really. how much of the reply-context post do you want on your site? just link, just linked title, author, content, preview entrys in the thread, etc?
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GWG That is what I'm trying to decide.
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GWG What seems common is the other person's profile image.
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shaners that's the fun thing about indieweb, we all get to try out our own flavors on our own sites.
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GWG The advice I'm looking for is to help crystallize in my head.
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shaners here's what i'd fetch for reply context:
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shaners author name, author photo, author url
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shaners entry title, entry url, entry content
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shaners entry in-reply-to url (if present)
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shaners then walk up the stack until there is no more in-reply-to url
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shaners with a limit of 5-10 entrys
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GWG shaners: What about sites for which there is no mf2?
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shaners fall back to mf1 if you can
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shaners past that, you're entering a whole world of "it depends"
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shaners title tag, meta tags, article h1, main h1, etc
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GWG Then you get to special cases for specific silos
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shaners i am punting on that for the forseeable future
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shaners oh yeah. i'd grab entry's published at datetime
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GWG Would you store it?
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shaners yes
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shaners otherwise, you have to refetch it every time your page loads. right?
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GWG And if the person's picture changes?
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shaners that's up to you. how often do you want to check for updates to all of your posts' reply contexts?
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shaners do you want to to check at all?
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GWG Is it better to preserve it as it was...or leave it as historic?
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shaners that's an old question that doesn't have an easy answer
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shaners there are camps on both sides
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shaners I'm outta here for the night. Good luck, GWG!
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aaronpk_1 KevinMarks: before I got on the plane I fixed the $url error you saw.
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aaronpk_1 But just fixed enough to not be ugly, it's not ideal
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aaronpk_1 What you're seeing is Known is not returning the Location header so Teacup doesn't know if it created the post and has nothing to link or send the browser to
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aaronpk__ My ideal version is it tells you it tried to make the micropub request and show you the response from your site and tell you it didn't return a location header
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aaronpk__ But I wanted to push a fix for the ugly error quick
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@anthonycole @pwcc I see you've really gone indieweb there. (twitter.com/_/status/521885540656750592)
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@_jden @FozzTexx @koderkev http://indiewebcamp.com/why (twitter.com/_/status/521891695995392000)
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tantek what is auto-embed?
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Loqi An autoembed is an embedding of media, typically of an image or video, that was automatically added from a URL to that media, to provide immediate viewing and or direct interaction with that media http://indiewebcamp.com/auto-embed
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GWG Hello, tantek
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tantek and with that, my work for tonight is done :)
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@Wordius Something wrong here: Google-funded outpost @mozilla sponsors #indiewebcamp meet-up. (twitter.com/_/status/521906663906095104)
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@One2Ad_com RT @t: #IndieWebCamp Cambridge hack day: * webmention with vouch receive flow chart * #indiecomms conditional Facetime button (ttk.me t4Ya2) (twitter.com/_/status/521910988296450048)
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@selcamra RT @MicropubInfo: 6 days ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub The one #indieweb function I still need to dig into. Will be real... http://t.co/yyojx… (twitter.com/_/status/521913948116107264)
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@MilkSheykh No! Time to #drop dropbox http://ownyourdata.pen.io/ “@NabilWakim @AdrienneLaF: Time to change your #dropbox password http://t.co/96YkqhvAPi”” (twitter.com/_/status/521957251905765376)
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@MilkSheykh Own your data http://ownyourdata.pen.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/521958320773804032)
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@MilkSheykh Own your data http://ownyourdata.pen.io/ #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/521958426273153024)
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@pfefferle @pwcc the plugin checks all links in your posts if they support #webmentions and sends a mention if it does... (twitter.com/_/status/521979348791074816)
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ben_thatmust__ going to talk to university of RI to see if they could host is at their providence campus. How far out does everyone think I should schedule an iwc providence?
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ben_thatmust__ i want to make sure there is plenty of time for people tp plan for it
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@IQSS RT @philipdurbin: .@marinaz it was a good turnout! We all hang out in #indiewebcamp on freenode. Join us! :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge http://… (twitter.com/_/status/522016041334235136)
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jessielikes.coffee edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+10) "/* Apprentices */" (view diff)
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@GlennRicePro “@timmmmyboy The WordPress for Known plugin has been updated to use XML-RPC to push posts https://github.com/timmmmyboy/WordPress @withknown” #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/522032612584349696)
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ben_thatmustbeme hey all
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marclaporte.com edited /OpenHub (+34) "Adding CASSIS: universal javascript/PHP that works on the client and the server for scalable application logic." (view diff)
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dlyke g'morning, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme had to put aside my wm+vouch work to do Work work
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ben_thatmustbeme who is dlyke
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ben_thatmustbeme you should add yourself in /irc-people
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danlyke No, I just have identity problems. Work vs home machines.
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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Loqi rofl
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ben_thatmustbeme loqi and the chat logs know that danlyke_ is the same as danlyke
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Loqi dude
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marclaporte.com edited /OpenHub (+114) (view diff)
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danlyke (Couldn't re-use my customer account for my job account at work, xchat isn't smart enough to give me per-server nicks)
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petermolnar danlyke it should be, I could do per-server user in hexchat
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ben_thatmustbeme danlyke, i thought it was, you just have to edit it per server settings
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ben_thatmustbeme i swapped out to hexchat
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, thats why i should read the last line before responding
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danlyke ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar XChat's nick config is global. I should switch to irssi or Hexchat or (probably best) something Emacs based.
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marclaporte.com edited /OpenHub (+42) (view diff)
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marclaporte Is http://indiewebcamp.com/OpenHub missing any important IndieWeb-related FLOSS project?
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ben_thatmustbeme my code is FLOSS, but not so important
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danlyke petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme thanks, just installing hexchat made me look more closely at my server config dialogs, found the fields hidden by the checkbox.
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marclaporte ben_thatmustbeme: is your code on https://www.openhub.net/ ?
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ben_thatmustbeme no, actually naming conflict with another project
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, i need to figure out a new name for openblog
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ben_thatmustbeme was going to wait until i stabilized a little more before i went there
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KevinMarks My /noterlive and /unmung are open source, though not exactly important
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sivy ho there
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sivy good morning IWC
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ben_thatmustbeme which of these sounds better pen-dent or pen-dantic for a blogging software :)
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marclaporte KevinMarks: https://www.openhub.net/p?q=noterlive want to add?
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marclaporte KevinMarks I added: https://www.openhub.net/p/unmung for you :-) You'll have stats shortly
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marclaporte https://www.openhub.net/p/unmung/contributors/3091687111215698
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marclaporte https://www.openhub.net/p/noterlive
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marclaporte.com edited /OpenHub (+73) "Thanks KevinMarks!" (view diff)
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marclaporte Any other FLOSS projects to add?
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marclaporte.com edited /OpenHub (+60) "Notes to encourage folks to participate more to the OpenHub page" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme any thoughts on the name?
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marclaporte I love how wiki page edits have notifications in the IRC chat room. Well done!!!
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marclaporte There are new TLDs. So maybe something.blog
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ben_thatmustbeme i can get pendantic.net actually, its available
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ben_thatmustbeme but i like the idea of actually labeling it blog software
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rascul the new tlds are fun
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tfontaine Indeed. I setup a URL shortener on .wtf :)
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rascul ooo i didn't know there was a .wtf
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rascul got my sister setup with a .coffee at indiewebcamp over the weekend, https://jessielikes.coffee :)
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ben_thatmustbeme .blog won't be available until Q3 2015 :(
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kylewm marclaporte: I can't log in to OpenHub anymore (probably haven't since it was ohloh)
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ben_thatmustbeme i loved willow's use of .org bl00cyb.org
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marclaporte kylewm: and a reset password?
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kylewm I tried resetting a couple of times
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KevinMarks I have mixes.house ready for personal subdomains
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ben_thatmustbeme just created my openhub account... still need to decide on a new name for the platform though
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rascul oh someone has indieweb.camp
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kylewm ah nevermind, it wanted my username, not email
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marclaporte rascul: looks like she likes beer too :-)
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rascul marclaporte indeed :) that's me with her
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rascul i mean, i'm the one drinking with her at the brewery, i'm not the horse!
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't know, you looked kinda ....
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marclaporte rascul: hahahhahhaha
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rascul beer straight from the vat, fresh as can get, is delicious :)
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KevinMarks Pendantic is going to have the same problem with autocorrect as fragmentions
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rascul oh, looks like someone registered indieweb.camp a couple weeks ago
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ben_thatmustbeme kevinmarks, good point
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kylewm.com edited /OpenHub (+71) "added bridgy and redwind" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /openhub (+21) "r" (view diff)
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marclaporte kylewm: https://www.openhub.net/p/bridgy could use some tags
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marclaporte kylewm: and you should claim your commits: https://www.openhub.net/p/redwind/contributors/3091695701427502
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gregorlove.com edited /OpenHub (+19) "dfn, ext. link, see also section heading" (view diff)
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gRegor` What is openhub?
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Loqi The Black Duck Open Hub (formerly Ohloh.net) is an online community and public directory of free and open source software (FOSS), offering analytics and search services for discovering, evaluating, tracking, and comparing open source code and projects http://indiewebcamp.com/OpenHub
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arcatan black duck?
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KevinMarks Is there a .indie tld yet?
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KevinMarks Cos then ben could name it pendence and get pendence.indie
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ben_thatmustbeme hah, i like that
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ben_thatmustbeme i liked pendent because its the mark left behind when writing , but that is pretty funny too
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ben_thatmustbeme could always just make its own subdomain from that
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@_aabril_ RT @zakperic: I think I am in favor of What is the IndieWeb: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/522055440705015808)
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ben_thatmustbeme damn "dontb.link is not available."
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sandro clever. hopefully they'll do something good with it
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ben_thatmustbeme what about something like blogdacity? name sound too full of itself?
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tantek I'd say keep such names short, easily speakable and easily understood by voice.
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm thinking just go with non-word name then, pendic / pendle something like that
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sivy rather happy, I got dropbox-webhooks-based updating for boxpub working last night
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bret interesting interaction of indieauth rel=me tag and RDFa http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2014Oct/0000.html
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ben_thatmustbeme homebrewwebsite.club and homebrewweb.club are both availabled
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ben_thatmustbeme -d
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ben_thatmustbeme $5 each on hover
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sivy indieweb.club
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ben_thatmustbeme Postly
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gRegor` I hope it was someone here that got indieweb.camp?
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GWG What's the domain shopping about?
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: Unknown? :)
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mko "christophe ducamp"? Not sure who that is.
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` hah
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gRegor` Then someone can make Known Unknowns
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gRegor` GWG: Think it started with ben_thatmustbeme talking about new name for openblog
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reedstrm lives at the head of fishmonger's street. Hmmm.
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GWG reedstrm, Going to stop by and make an offer?
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reedstrm (At first thought, "Poisoner's Street? Cool!" Then my dormant French kicked in and translated ...
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reedstrm GWG: I'
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reedstrm ve been ,looking for an excuse to get to Paris ...
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, sorry, i cause digressions
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bret ben_thatmustbeme: hw.club?
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reedstrm Naming is important!
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reedstrm That reads as "hardware club" for me
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GWG Naming things is hard
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ben_thatmustbeme renamed to Postly
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ben_thatmustbeme and ordered postly.link for the hell of it
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danlyke kylewm, gRegor` thanks, I'm now using the e-content that's a child of the h-entry but no other h-class for my summaries for webmentions on Flutterby.com, per conversation on Friday.
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@HongPong .@chris_steller maybe you should try @withknown for micro blogging, it syndicates into twitter & fb. #indieweb style ftw. screw corp silos (twitter.com/_/status/522064730647576576)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (-6) "rename openblog to postly" (view diff)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, how is the custom editors going?
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ben_thatmustbeme now i just need to find all the places to rename it... ugh
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ben.thatmustbe.me moved /OpenBlog to /Postly "project renamed"
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Postly (-4) "project rename" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Postly (-10) "missed a bunch of spots." (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Micropub (-12) "project rename and flooding the chat" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme loy
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ben_thatmustbeme oy*
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, I need to customize them more for mobile, but I added the Notes and Checkin page to the homepage. Get Location isn't working for checkin for some reason though ben.thatmustbe.me/new/note and ben.thatmustbe.me/new/checkin
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ben_thatmustbeme each with their own icon
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GWG I will have a look.
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll make one for each post type and then have a bunch of Icons in one folder
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ben_thatmustbeme should be cool
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, I have something similar on my list
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ben_thatmustbeme it short-cuts around mobile navigation issues we were talking about
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, you had wanted to go to IWC Cambridge right?
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npdoty has anyone had a problem with Bridgy/Known/Facebook such that multiple "likes" are sent as webmentions but Known only records/displays the most recently received like?
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ben_thatmustbeme npdoty, there are things about facebook and how public the person puts their profile. i have noticed issues of Likes not backfeeding through bridgy, but I think thats a privacy setting on their part
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, yes
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npdoty ben_thatmustbeme, well, every like did make it through
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, I was there in spirit
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npdoty Known showed them as I refreshed the page
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npdoty but every time another webmention was received, the previous like disappeared
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a bug with Known
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ben_thatmustbeme just don't know if its a known Known bug
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npdoty ha, yeah, I'll go check/file
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, what do you think about IWC Providence?
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm going to try swaying some people for it and plan one for the sprint
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ben_thatmustbeme spring*
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npdoty ben_thatmustbeme, fyi: https://github.com/idno/idno/issues/510
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npdoty https://github.com/idno/idno/issues/503
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ben_thatmustbeme okay then, known Known bug
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, are there enough people?
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ben_thatmustbeme I don't know, but I am willing to try
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ben_thatmustbeme I know I'll be there, others expressed interest
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to get some estimate
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snarfed interesting. i just noticed that jwz posses his tweets. https://twitter.com/jwz , http://www.jwz.org/blog/
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ben_thatmustbeme plus my alma matter (URI) has a web development track, and a building/campus in Providence
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, what season?
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ben_thatmustbeme i was thinking wait until spring, its getting late to try for this year, don't want to have to cancel for a snow storm
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ben_thatmustbeme also, if not URI, we could try Brown, or perhaps some companies in the area
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: do you already know that post.ly was a posterous service ~2010?
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GWG Depending on the weekend, Id try to drive up
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, yeah saw it, there is also a postly theme for WP
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ben_thatmustbeme can always rename to postlyblog or postlylink (which i do own)
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ben_thatmustbeme for now it works
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kylewm yeah, probably doesn't matter, just so long as you know
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks
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@HongPong yes if use 1 addl service it can catch twitter replies into Known @chris_steller @withknown https://indiewebcamp.com/Bridgy https://www.brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/522074813733433345)
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@HongPong POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. @chris_steller @withknown http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/522074979634913281)
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ben_thatmustbeme openhub called me out "very low number of source code comments"
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ben_thatmustbeme Btw tantek, don't know if you saw the discussion on publishing a list of people who you link to / accept webmentions from/ may be used as vouches
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ben_thatmustbeme We just couldn't figure out if there is a rel value for this type of link
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kylewm woohoo, I have "an average number of source code comments" (which is surprisng)
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@kyle_wm I think my first project learning node.js will be a command line #micropub client #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/522078531187003392)
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marginalventures hi I am not sure if this is the right place to ask about installing withknown from github clone but here goes
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marginalventures Everything checked out on the front page, I set up the mysql database and entered the info. the wizard had me make config.ini
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marginalventures but now I get The requested URL /begin/register was not found on this server.
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marginalventures http://marginalventures.com/begin/register?set_name=Marginal+Ventures
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marginalventures and on the front page it says it can't connect to the database.
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marginalventures although I just noticed the db connection message so I'll go hunt that down
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ben_thatmustbeme this is a good place to ask, alas, I don't know , I don't use known
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ben_thatmustbeme Anyone who can help marginalventures out?
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reedstrm kylewm: perhaps that says more about the average programmer than about you ...
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rascul kylewm where do you discover your source code comment rating?
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rascul oh, openhub
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tantek marginalventures: yes this is a good place to ask. benwerd and erinjo are here reasonably often, and there are other folks that have gotten Known working, e.g. kylewm and KevinMarks
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: feel free to capture such questions (about Known) to /Known#FAQ
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kylewm marginalventures: are you using Apache? it is likely an issue with the .htaccess
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kylewm marginalventures: the most common issue is http://indiewebcamp.com/Known#Fix_404_Not_Found_on_.2Fbegin
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marginalventures thanks kylewm ! i'll look
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kylewm reedstrm++ suspect you are totally right about comments. "You have almost no source code comments, so... pretty much average"
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Loqi reedstrm has 4 karma
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reedstrm grins
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marginalventures thanks again kylewm, that fixed my not found problem. Still says unable to connect to the database but probably I missed a step
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marginalventures is nginx recommended over apache2 now?
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kylewm marginalventures: nope mostly people use apache
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aaronpk_ i wouldn't say mostly
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aaronpk_ I've been running nginx on all my new stuff. still have one legacy apache server that's actually behind nginx
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kylewm oh yes -- clarification: mostly people use apache for Know
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kylewm Known*
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aaronpk_ aha
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@kyle_wm smh if you come in the #indieweb chat room and post a link that brings up a “What should Firefox do with this file?” dialog. (twitter.com/_/status/522096463451398144)
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rascul who posted a like that firefox got confused about?
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rascul or, more specifically, what was the link?
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kylewm rascul: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-13/line/1413256580854
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rascul ahh
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tantek who is cr?
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tantek what is cr?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cr" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=cr
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rascul not really sure what that link is, some sort of template maybe?
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ben_thatmustbeme btw, anyone with thoughts on IWC Providence?
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kylewm I think .ttl is turtle
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ben_thatmustbeme well thats a thought yes
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rascul ben_thatmustbeme if i have about a month notice i should probably be able to make providence
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats why i'm thinking its best to plan for spring, give tons of notice
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ben_thatmustbeme april?
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ben_thatmustbeme march?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: experience has shown that indiewebcamps require 2+ active/interested organizers to be succesful
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rascul spring is great for me :)
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tantek so I'd say, before figuring out a date, find an organizr
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tantek s/organizr/organizer
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Loqi tantek meant to say: so I'd say, before figuring out a date, find an organizer
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rascul i don't feel i would be useful as an organizer, though
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tantek co-organizer even
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tantek however you can start keeping track of current state on the wiki
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tantek e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Providence
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tantek and you can start with just minimal notes, e.g. see the first version of 2014/NYC : http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=2014/NYC&oldid=5527
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rascul has there been any more talk about indiewebcamp dc?
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tantek what is indiewebcamp dc?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiewebcamp dc" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=indiewebcamp+dc
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tantek rascul - anyone can create /2015/DC - feel free to do so and just note that you're interested in it!
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ben_thatmustbeme I have a feeling 2015 may see a lot of new IWCs
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tantek that would be great!
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++ great start to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Providence
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rascul maybe we need an IndieWebCamp Rascul's House :)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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ben_thatmustbeme i thought of that myself, maybe start with HWC @ Rascul's house and go from there
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rascul i have 100Mbps internet and enough room for 20 people or so in my back yard!
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ben_thatmustbeme rascul i thought you were closer to boston than DC
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rascul nah, i'm in chambersburg, pa
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rascul about 15 miles from md/pa line
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ben_thatmustbeme oh wow, yeah, DC would be much nicer for you
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rascul my sister is up here in shrewsbury, i'm staying with her until tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks tantek, I was trying to get a generic user template that would serve for others so people wouldn't have to create their own templates all the time, but i think i've given up on that
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: we have both. per-user templates, and generic use template. the per user templates are made from the generic one.
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rascul if/when indiewebcamp dc turns into a thing, my note should be removed :)
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marginalventures thanks for your help re known on my site. I missed applying the schema
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marginalventures also the .htaccess allowall thing was missed
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kylewm marginalventures: oh gosh it should do that on its own
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marginalventures mine didn't
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kylewm you had to run like mysql < schema.sql??
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marginalventures yes
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kylewm strange! I haven't had to do that since a pre-beta version
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marginalventures although it also seemed like the user I added for it did not take the permissions I had set (grant all) so probably that was the real problem
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marginalventures so there were several things wrong or missed in my install.
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marginalventures not sure why my grant command didn't work the first time but likely that's why
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@thierrymarianne @kirilind Je serai ravi de partager ces petites choses que j'ai comprises ! A qui aurait-on affaire ? Tout public ? #withknown #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/522109008828973057)
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aaronpk aaronpk is back!
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ben_thatmustbeme with a vengeance?
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aaronpk with a real irc client
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tantek opsed and everything, look at that.
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm down to just 1 login... its kinda lonely without my clones
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rascul a real irc client that hasn't been updated for 2.5 years ;)
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aaronpk shh
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aaronpk i saw that
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ben_thatmustbeme thats how you know its good. it hasn't needed to be updated in that long
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ben_thatmustbeme correctly written software never needs to be updated. Look at openssl... wait i mean Bash, look at ba-- nevermind
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rascul well, weechat has been updated since 0.3.7 ;)
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reedstrm recommendations for android irc client? xabber seems missing things like ... list of participants in a room!
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ben_thatmustbeme on android i just use /irc/today?beta
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ben_thatmustbeme have it bookmarked from my homescreen
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kylewm I use yaaic, it's ok
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rascul i was using andchat on android
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aaronpk good riddance to that aaronpk_ guy *whew*
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rascul yeah i know
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bret What is turtle?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "turtle" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=turtle
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reedstrm i'll check them out. We use a jabber server internally here, so was trying to keep to one client, but ...
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ben_thatmustbeme no one found any markup for linking to a list of contacts/blogroll/links did they?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: did you check http://microformats.org/wiki/
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, went through the list of every rel tag and couldn't find anything that seemed to fit
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tantek search for blogroll - it has a bunch of results that may be interesting
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search/blogroll
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll continue looking, but thus far all i've been finding is data on how to mark up the list, nothing on how to link to the list
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@JessieHonigs Enjoying using #Known, so happy I was able to attend #indiewebcamp! (twitter.com/_/status/522133459020812289)
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ben_thatmustbeme no luck finding anything to link to a blogroll page or xfn page
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ben_thatmustbeme err to mark up a link to one
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ben_thatmustbeme now lets see if my webmentions are still sending or if i broke them doing updates
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@dissolve333 @JessieHonigs I enjoyed #indiewebcamp too. Glad to hear you like Known. I am thinking of setting my wife up on it too. (btmb.me s/2p) (twitter.com/_/status/522137432880189440)
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ben_thatmustbeme just when i thought it failed
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@jmsmcfrlnd I don't run across much talk about Novena, why? https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop #indieweb #foss @aral (twitter.com/_/status/522138872008822784)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I feel like we did some work on this in the era of "social network portability"
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tantek does some digging
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tantek found it. ben_thatmustbeme here is a ton of work we did on this and related problems in the 2007-2008 era: http://microformats.org/wiki/social-network-portability
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tantek warning, you're likely to find dead links there to Upcoming, Magnolia, Pownce
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ben_thatmust__ well give it 6 months and the upcoming links may be back
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tantek true!
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kylewm Use xfn rel="me" to link to contacts list pages and contacts list pagination links too
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kylewm o_O
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KevinMarks__ so that the me-transitivity applies to the rel-friend (etc) links
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KevinMarks__ if I want google to parse my h-cards, I need to add the microformat-1 names too?
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tantek KevinMarks: Google only pays attention to one object per page for their search results use case, and a very limited number of properties at that.
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tantek hence the respective FAQ
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KevinMarks__ so I shoudl just add classic hcard to the representative hcard
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tantek right
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kylewm KevinMarks__: ok that makes sense, it's not so much for marking "this is a blogroll" as "the relationships on this other page are still referring to me"
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KevinMarks__ right, it becam necessary fro paginated follow lists on twitter, back when twitter still cared about being crawlable
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KevinMarks__ before actively blocking it
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tantek amazing how many things went wrong from 2009-present
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tantek looking back, I don't think any of us expected it to be this bad - in terms of social networks (what we used to call silos)
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tantek both with dying / killing permalinks, and with becoming disinterested / hostile behemoths.
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ben_thatmust__ kylewm. I just read that too and at first I was disheartened but it's easy enough to look for rel=me links that have the same domain as the page and check there
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ben_thatmust__ not ideal. but it is logical. unless there are other reasons to have rel=me within a domain
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kylewm it's also recommended for /about pages
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kylewm IIRC
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ben_thatmust__ that's okay. given a Link to someone's site. Look at that page for all domains linked that could be vouch. . if none cHeck for all rel=me links within the domain. if none try the base url or search for rel=feed
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ben_thatmust__ so you hit their about page too
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bret kylewm: how did HWC go last week?
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kylewm bret: just me and jdp23, but it was fun ... we mostly talked privacy/safety in online communities
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mko New SSL Vulnerability discovered: https://www.openssl.org/~bodo/ssl-poodle.pdf
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mko Basically, make sure to disable SSL 3.0.
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bret !tell snarfed Curious what your quick take is on the current proposed changes in AS2.0 https://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed bret: i haven't followed 2.0, but probably not much. i like having AS as a common format, but i generally don't care about the details of the schema
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Loqi snarfed: bret left you a message 55 seconds ago: Curious what your quick take is on the current proposed changes in AS2.0 https://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html
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snarfed bret: …having said that, i am using some of the new 2.0 features, e.g. allowing images in attachments to be lists. https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/commit/da99bf304322ea382fdd03e67ae01f4a867abf56
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bret snarfed: would you likely track A-U to use AS2.0 given the fairly significant changes?
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snarfed bret: i don't know. maybe?
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bret like check out https://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html#h3_example-2
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snarfed no a-u users have asked about 2.0, so i'm not seeing demand yet
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snarfed bret: that fragment doesn't seem to work
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bret what is going on is there are a lot of participants asking for json-ld users, but they are not currently using AS themselves, so just trying to probe different people who are actually consuming/generating it on their throught
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bret s
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bret thoughts*
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bret gah autocorrect kills me
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snarfed bret: ok. i doubt i can help much, but fwiw, most a-u users like it because it normalizes the different silos' data to a common format. they don't care as much what that format is, AS 1.0 or 2.0 or whatever
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bret that was my impression
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bret snarfed: do you have any opinion on calls to change that common AS vocab in fairly significant ways? (in this case to satisfy the LD crowd needs) It seems like this might be disruptive to the primary use case of A-U users, which seems to be consistent/common vocab.
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bret (just in general)
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snarfed bret: i don't have a strong opinion. if 2.0 is that backward incompatible, and if i implemented it, i'd probably support both 1.0 and 2.0 and let users choose
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