#indiewebcamp 2014-10-15

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sivy http://monkinetic.com/ <-- no-www working *fistpump*
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/googleplus/109182513536739786206/z131g5oqqre2jtcjt04cchryvkjpvfm4vxw0k/113337809023280028352 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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kylewm tantek seems to have signed up for bridgy / googleplus
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bret did't know that existed
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snarfed i think his g+ account has been signed up for a while
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/googleplus/109182513536739786206
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snarfed not sure why the flood
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snarfed yeah signed up on 1/4
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snarfed aha, interesting. we just started parsing his h-feed and connecting syndication urls today. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1413334265&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyKQsSDkdvb2dsZVBsdXNQYWdlIhUxMDkxODI1MTM1MzY3Mzk3ODYyMDYM
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kylewm ha!
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snarfed no, that's not right
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snarfed meh
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snarfed hey bear! what's the status of indie-stats?
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snarfed (i've tried to log in at https://indie-stats.com/ a few times, but i've never been able to)
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bear @snarfed what error are you getting?
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bear hmm, I see that you tried to login but the site never got the redirect from indieauth
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bear and I see kylewm succeeding just after your attempt
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snarfed bear: it just rerenders the same page
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snarfed trying in another browser
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snarfed same
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bear it's because the code isn't seeing "authorization_endpoint" in your list
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snarfed my list?
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bear sorry - when you do the login form the next thing it does is look for a link that is rel="authorization_endpoint"
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snarfed ah. is that a new indieauth req't? or…?
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bear it may be me badly implementing indieauth or ???
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snarfed got me. i can log into indieauth ok
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snarfed but i'm happy to add that rel link. it should point to indieauth.com?
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bear I would rather fix this bug to be honet
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bear s/honet/honest/
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Loqi bear meant to say: I would rather fix this bug to be honest
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snarfed makes sense
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snarfed are you publishing any aggregate stats yet?
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bear not yet, just gathering
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bear over the weekend I got the code to walk thru and submit to each script listed the particulars of the nights gatherings
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bear and got bogged down in the rabbit hole of how to store the results
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KevinMarks_ chrissaad: hello there - are you still a big user of activity streams?
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bear @snarfed ok, I made it default to indieauth.com if no explicit endpoint is found
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snarfed bear: "insert fancy no auth endpoint found error message here"
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bear hrmm
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bear oh poo
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bear that's what I get for coding at 0200
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bear @snarfed if I may bother you for another try
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bear 500
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bear ok, again if you don't mind
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snarfed got through indieauth that time
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snarfed then "authentication failed" on indie-stats
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bear yea, I see that
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snarfed heh ok i'll stop narrating
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bear haha - no worries
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bear for whatever reason the data returned from indieauth did not contain a validation code
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bear hmm, no, it did
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bear oh wow - trailing / in the domain field
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snarfed heh, nothing's ever easy :P
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bear nope - but this is great testing
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bear ok, this time I am storing the sanitized url for both login and success
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bear @snarfed - my blocker is simple, when I call the scripts for each day's "haul" I am expecting a json blob of results - so I need to store those results in some way that fancy stats people can generate numbers
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bear this is an example of a count_hcards.py script that would be run per domain per day - https://gist.github.com/bear/04a01662b88196fe138d
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snarfed bear: got it. eh, just store them any way right now. one json file per domain, or whatever. if you run it daily, you can always change the format if people complain
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snarfed btw yay i'm logged in. not clear what i can do now...?
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Loqi yay!
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bear you can visit https://indie-stats.com/domain now
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bear and view your domain and also exclude it
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bear nothing fancy really - I just wanted a way for folks to be able to claim and exclude domains from stat tracking
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bear the good part is that it's been polling since sept 23 each domain I found in irc people
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snarfed aha thanks
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bear snarfed++ for testing the code and letting me fix the bugs
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snarfed heh thanks
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snarfed https://indie-stats.com/domain lets me exclude but i don't see any data. should i?
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bear nope
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bear I suffer from bad-ui-fear syndrome
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bear I look at creating a web page akin to getting my legs cut off - so I just cannot fathom what I would put on a page that would interest people
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bear the real answer is that I worked on it last a couple days ago and got the cruncher bit done with a scripts dir and secure temp files
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bear now I have data I need to sum it up for each domain
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KevinMarks_ Is this data naturally tabular, or more json-shaped?
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bear right now json shaped, but my thought was to add a /domain?format=json bit
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bear so that all of the json for a domain would be returned
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bear or maybe /stats?format=
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KevinMarks_ I should put JSONtoXOXO back up
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KevinMarks_ Unmung seems like a place for it
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bear I was storing it as json just for my ease of processing
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KevinMarks_ That's perfectly reasonable. JSON is the new pickle
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bear tonight was POODLE response night, I'll work on stats again tomorrow and get something showing on the main page so that folks will start filing bugs ;)
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KevinMarks_ And it's about 30 mins work in node with jade to make it presentable
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bear yea, that's the part that baffles me - jade
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KevinMarks_ Or the equivalent on appengine
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bear haha - this is all static html generated by a python flask app :)
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KevinMarks_ https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung and https://github.com/kevinmarks/Pestagram are my kludges
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KevinMarks_ Debugging templating languages is annoying
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KevinMarks_ The point is that json to html via template has multiple solutions, enough to populate every pedants niche
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bear oh nifty - you write the html as a template and then feed in the json
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KevinMarks_ Yes, lots of variations on that theme
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bear but yes, that is very doable - I need to settle on a json blob structure and then just write a template to make it look somewhat pretty
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bear coolness - now I have a kernel of an idea to start expanding to a real idea tomorrow
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KevinMarks_ My rule is not to bother getting into template syntax comparison yakshaving and use whatever default the platform examples suggest
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bear nods
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KevinMarks_ Which I suppose is the rails orm philosophy
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bear I went with jinja2 for that reason because it was easy to generate pages in flask with it
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KevinMarks_ Google had at least a dozen templating languages when I left in 2009
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KevinMarks_ I bet they have more now
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bear chuckles
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bear yes, that is a battle I fight as a build/release person almost every month with our devs
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bear "ok, but why are you using yet another template language for this small one-off tool???"
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KevinMarks_ GWT wins for opacity
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KevinMarks_ Hm. So I should revive xoxo, which generates html for any json input
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KevinMarks_ (and would reverse it to json)
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bear that would be a fun thing for me to use
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bear generate the stats json files, batch job it thru xoxo to generate static pages for each domain, done
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KevinMarks_ But there is a possible mf2 equivalent that would generate reversible mf2 markup for any json
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KevinMarks_ (xoxo assumes everything is a string, unless the key is "url")
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bear doesn't mean to nerd-snipe kevin tonight
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KevinMarks_ Microformats2 has more types. More than json has, which is a bit tricky
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KevinMarks_ My yak shaving is that Google apps for your domain seems to have broken subdomain allocation to appengine
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KevinMarks_ http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-sample-code-python is still there
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KevinMarks_ Clearly needs updating and putting in git
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bear I seriously love reading older python code
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bear *and* with tests
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bear <3's KevinMarks_
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KevinMarks_ That was mark pilgrim's influence
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KevinMarks_ Universal feed parser is a tour de force of tdd
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bear nods
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KevinMarks_ Using html5lib rather than sgmllib would be good
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bear or beautifulsoup?
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cr a few regular expressions worked here.. http://src.whats-your.name/pw/ruby/news.rb.html
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KevinMarks_ beautifulsoup doesn't fix things the way braised
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KevinMarks_ s/braised/browsers do/
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: beautifulsoup doesn't fix things the way browsers do
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KevinMarks_ HTML5lib does
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KevinMarks_ You know where that leads, @cr: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454
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bear LOL
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bear that is still my fav SO answer
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cr as long as it parses 99.9% of the feeds i read, i'll take it
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cr ruby is constantly hipster-izing new HTML libs. first it wasHPricot abandoned for Nokogiri. now Nokogiri's abandoned for something else. and the C binding churn, needing libxml2-dev crap installed etc
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cr i rarely use regex, but that feedreader hasnt broken on me in a decade
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KevinMarks_ When it passes universal feed parsers test suite, then we can talk
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cr should re-invetigate what the new one is. but Nokogiri insisted on building its own full libxml (forked) dep, trying --system-libs would invariably introduce breakage
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cr end reuslt, 'bundle install' went from 30s on a phone/tablet to about 2 hours
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cr iff it finished. make -j1 tends to blow up on phones due to g++ eating RAM like candy
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cr so. there was a whole string of reasons before deciding to use regex...
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KevinMarks_ Xml has its own antipatterns, yes. The point of html5lib is that it implements the converged consensus
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cr seems only full feed in their testsuite is ./wellformed/sanitize/large_atom_feed_that_needs_css_sanitisation.xml
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cr everything else is just isolated elements . not sure how you're suposed to use it outside of python, since its comparing to stuff hardcoded into teh python, not some intermediary format you could write out (or serve over HTTP) from anothre lang/app
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cr trying./wellformed/sanitize/large_atom_feed_that_needs_css_sanitisation.xml
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cr er https://github.com/rss-sync/corpus
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cr corpus mostly seems to work OK http://feed.whats-your.name/ - not like any of my SW has users but if u find any anomalies and are annoyed just send an email
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neuro` Good morning
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mattl ahoy neuro`
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@timmmmyboy @ryanbrazell @withknown @sfern I’m not sure, I’ll look into it. Webmentions as WP comments would be great. (twitter.com/_/status/522369384296497152)
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tgbrun I was testing a bookmark post on my site, I did not realize I would create such a storm
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pfefferle what version of the webmention plugin do you use?
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Loqi pfefferle: tantek left you a message on 10/1 at 4:16pm: what happened to spreadly.com? http://dev.spreadly.com/ still works.
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tgbrun I am sorry for the msg storm. I was working on bookmark posts on my site and created a bootmark post for an indieweb page, my bad
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pfefferle !tell tantek the company is insolvent :(
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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pfefferle !tell tantek I don’t know why the dev.spreadly.com domain is still available, but the main service was shut down… Same with YIID (Your Internet ID)… http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=yiid&ns0=1&fulltext=Search
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [mention] http://www.rehberegit.com/deneme/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Mowens.com (pingback)
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh, floodings
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arcatan what went wrong, though?
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GWG Good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme morning
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ben_thatmustbeme arctan, i'd like to know that myself
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GWG pfefferle: Did I see you around?
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pfefferle GWG seems so ;)
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GWG pfefferle: Still very busy?
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pfefferle busy and soon offspring
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GWG Bad time to send pull requests then...
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GWG Congratulations on the offspring
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pfefferle thanks :)
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ben_thatmustbeme congrats
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GWG I figured I'd make the selfish comment first
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pfefferle ben_thatmustbeme it still takes some weeks, but thanks :)
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pfefferle GWG I hope I get some free minutes to merge your pull request and to clean up some code any time soon!
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GWG pfefferle: I have plans to add to Semantic Linkbacks also
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GWG pfefferle: I was going to wait, but I wanted to write functions to return the count of likes, reposts, etc on a specific post.
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pfefferle ah ok, good idea!
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GWG pfefferle: You wanted it as a query...
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pfefferle GWG yes, thought about it...
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pfefferle GWG not sure if it is a better idea or not
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michielbdejong1 First HWC Lisbon is tonight! :) http://www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/events/213092772/
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michielbdejong1 Organized by Pierre-O and me
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michielbdejong1 I just realized we're half-phase with the US ones
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ben_thatmustbeme cool!
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@dave_menninger Getting Started - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started?utm_content=buffer1baaf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/522389953226211329)
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GWG pfefferle: I'll check it again
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GWG pfefferle: I don't want to put that functionality in a second plugin. Simple 'helper' functions should go upstream to the main plugin
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GWG pfefferle: Then everyone who has dependencies is calling the same functions
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michielbdejong.com edited /Events (+433) "/* Upcoming */" (view diff)
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michielbdejong.com edited /Events (+17) "/* Upcoming */" (view diff)
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pfefferle GWG true!
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pfefferle GWG with ”žI am not sute“ I meant I am not sure if the query is a better idea than your pull request…
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GWG pfefferle: I may do what I did with the Taxonomy plugin. Write functions that are derived from the core Wordpress functions.
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pfefferle GWG you also did it with the webmention pull requests or?
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/whitelist
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ben_thatmustbeme other entries like 'indiewebcamp.com' are hidden so as not to be abused
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GWG pfefferle: Not yet
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: Nice. Is the whitelist manually updated?
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glennjones ben_thatmustbeme if I run my microformats parser it turns URLs into https://ben.thatmustbe.me/aaronparecki.com for contacts - this is beacuse most try to make URLs absolute
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glennjones ben_thatmustbeme <a href="//aaronparecki.com" rel="contact">aaronparecki.com</a> would stop this problem
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ben_thatmustbeme hah, yeah, woops
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll fix that
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@requirelx Do you want to know more about the #IndieWeb ? Join the Internet Freedom meetup today http://www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/events/213092772/ (twitter.com/_/status/522398253758042112)
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ben_thatmustbeme trhy now glennjones
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` for now
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ben_thatmustbeme I have some ideas on doing things automatically but not going too far, or doing it automatically but only with hidden ones
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kylewm tgbrun: no worries about the messages. loqi usually disregards duplicates, so it's his fault not yours ; l
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tgbrun kylewm: thanks, I want to play nice in the sandbox
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GWG tgbrun: How did that happen anyway?
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tgbrun I was testing bookmark typpe post on my wordpress blog, I used an indieweb url for the bookmark. I have various indieweb plugins, including webmentions and that might have done it. Sometimes I outrun my headlights.
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GWG tgbrun: Were you using Indieweb Taxonomy?
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tgbrun Yes I have that installed as well.
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GWG tgbrun: If I'm responsible, send me a bug report.
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GWG tgbrun: The plugin sends webmentions on update of a post
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glennjones ben_thatmustbeme that did it URLs look OK now
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't store the actual url, just the domain
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ben_thatmustbeme and i forgot that
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tgbrun I'm reasonably sure that the flood occurred when I 'published the post. It was in draft before that, and I never 'updated' it after it was live
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GWG tgbrun: If it repeats, want to eliminate the possibility it's a bug
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GWG tgbrun: Either way, if you have any feature requests or issues, submit them. I want to make it better
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GWG tgbrun: It is one of my first development projects. I'm a librarian by training, not a programmer.
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tgbrun I can create the bookmark post again if you want, and we can see what happens. I don't want the flood this site again if I can help it.
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GWG tgbrun: The next time you have need to.
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tgbrun GMG: Thanks
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tgbrun GWS: Sorry about the GMG
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tommorris Just removed SSLv2 and v3 from my nginx.conf. No IE6 support? Oh well.
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neuro` tommorris: if you're using nginx you may be interested by this https://gist.github.com/fdv/7a380d88d43d0c6a9d48
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tommorris Yeah, I may turn stapling on soon.
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@sinfo_ist RT @requirelx: Do you want to know more about the #IndieWeb ? Join the Internet Freedom meetup today http://www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/events/213092772/ (twitter.com/_/status/522408763400413186)
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tommorris Twitter is no longer supporting SSLv3
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/JessieHonigs/521343236682838017/1087125648 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-cambridge-2014.jpg (webmention)
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gRegor` snarfed, kylewm: Just curious, Brid.gy reported this webmention to findingada.com failed, but it doesn't have wm support. Is it because it returned a 403? https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1413298515&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo1MjIwMzY2MjYzNTcxMDQ2NDAM
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snarfed gRegor`: yes
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snarfed bridgy can't (yet) know whether it has wm support because it didn't return a doc
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gRegor` Makes sense
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gRegor` Guess they're blocking crawlers that bridgy resembles
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snarfed bridgy gets 403s on a nontrivial minority of its fetches
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snarfed 5%ish
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gRegor` Interesting
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snarfed user agent or not accepting cookies or whatever
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, so why not spoof the user agent / accept cookies?
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: i might if i knew a mythical perfect user agent that all sites accepted
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snarfed :P
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ben_thatmustbeme copy some version of firefox
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ben_thatmustbeme heh
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snarfed hand tuning user agents…that way lie dragons
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tantek judging by the bots I see, IE5.5
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Loqi tantek: pfefferle left you a message 3 hours, 46 minutes ago: the company is insolvent :(
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Loqi tantek: pfefferle left you a message 3 hours, 42 minutes ago: I don’t know why the dev.spreadly.com domain is still available, but the main service was shut down… Same with YIID (Your Internet ID)… http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=yiid&ns0=1&fulltext=Search
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ben_thatmustbeme i saw one bot pulling with firefox 0.6 beta at one point
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bear I always use firerfox UA's for bots
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bear err Firefox
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tantek !tell pfefferle do you have dates / citations for when spreadly and/or YIID was shutdown? can you add them to indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed more importantly, i haven't yet seen a site *with* wm support that 403s bridgy…so afaik it wouldn't matter yet
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tantek please don't pretend to be Firefox, you'll make Foxkeh cry https://mdn.mozillademos.org/files/561/Moz_ffx_openStandards_1680x1050.jpg
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rascul pretend to be pheonix instead!
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek awwwwwww, now i'll never spoof firefox again
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rascul s/eo/oe/
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Loqi rascul meant to say: pretend to be phoenix instead!
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tallpaul pretend to be NCSA Mosaic!
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ShaneHudson Would work better!
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rascul mosaic++
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Loqi mosaic has 2 karma
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ShaneHudson Are there any plans to redo user agent strings yet? Should have been done years ago!
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@SifuKeithMosher My characters seem to have lives of their own. http://blogyinyang.com/blog1/2014/10/15/a-life-of-their-own/ #IndieAuthor #indieauth #BookBoost #author (twitter.com/_/status/522438895913689088)
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@freeboostpromo RT @SifuKeithMosher: My characters seem to have lives of their own. http://blogyinyang.com/blog1/2014/10/15/a-life-of-their-own/ #IndieAuthor #indieauth #BookBoost #author (twitter.com/_/status/522439014247563265)
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@fictionfinder RT @SifuKeithMosher: My characters seem to have lives of their own. http://blogyinyang.com/blog1/2014/10/15/a-life-of-their-own/ #IndieAuthor #indieauth #BookBoost #author (twitter.com/_/status/522439475830734851)
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danlyke I haven't played with user agent strings, but several of the pages linked off /irc-people blocked my LWP::Simple bot based on agent string.
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tantek !block freeboostpromo
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Loqi Got it! There are now 16 spammers blacklisted
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snarfed danlyke: you know they blocked you because of user agent?
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snarfed (just curious how you know)
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reedstrm @sigh@ name space collision w/ indieauthors, apparently. Two extra characters such a problem? Really?
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snarfed (reedstrm: technically three :P)
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reedstrm well, checking loqi's posts, usage is #indieauthor, so it's 2: I mis-quoted :-)
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Loqi yeah!
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snarfed heh fair enough
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michielbdejong hi from HWC Lisbon http://www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/events/213092772/
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KevinMarks https://mobile.twitter.com/Pinboard/status/520691680278638592
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KevinMarks Hm, loqi doesn't like mobile twitter urls
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michielbdejong baku: welcome! :)
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reedstrm KevinMarks: probably a regex that needs tweaking ...
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baku thanks michielbdejong !
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danlyke snarfed I may have to try again, I remember being pretty sure that it was when I ran it (403 for an LWP::Simple "mirror" call), but I should get specifics.
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gRegor` https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/520691680278638592 for KevinMarks
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@Pinboard USER_AGENT=“This is the book of the generations of Mozilla. And KDE lived four years, and begat KHTML. And KHTML begat WebKit…” (twitter.com/_/status/520691680278638592)
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KevinMarks Check out @Pinboard's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/520694894709325824
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@Pinboard If you don’t put enough web history into your user-agent string, you risk being served a small, fast, readable webpage without enough design (twitter.com/_/status/520694894709325824)
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michielbdejong ziomizar: welcome to the Homebrew Website Club :)
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ziomizar tnx michiel :)
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snarfed danlyke: oh i believe you got the 403 with that user agent. just curious how you know it was the UA and not cookies, header, etc
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snarfed anyway. not important
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danlyke snarfed because as far as I know, there's nothing else that'd distinguish first contact with a given URL (ie: cookies need to be set by a successfull access to the site, could be filtering on other header elements, but that's functionally equivalent to UA filtering)
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tantek AFAIK webmention does not say to use some pretend browser history user-agent
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tantek and it works *just fine*
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tantek so let's continue with that
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tantek in fact, I'd even be up for explicitly specifying the UA for webmention related retrievals
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tantek having nothing to do with browser history
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gRegor` adactio's code includes "webmention.org" iirc
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gRegor` "mydomain (webmention.org)" https://gist.github.com/adactio/6484118
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danlyke Here's one: $ GET http://www.owenshepherd.net
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gRegor` What UA is being sent?
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danlyke Big block of HTML on a 403 with "The owner of this website (www.owenshepherd.net) has banned your access based on your browser's signature (179e03bb4b5104dd-ua24)." Does also have a "please enable cookies", but presumably you'd then have to mash reload with those cookies.
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mko Yeah. The UA I send with my webmentions is just my domain with a version number on it.
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danlyke "lwp-request/6.03 libwww-perl/6.05"
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danlyke I could get more sophisticated about such things (usually do), but was just slapping code together.
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gRegor` Interesting. I can't duplicate it using http://www.hurl.it/
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danlyke I'm just using the Perl LWP module's "GET" command-line utility to see it.
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mko danlyke: Do you happen to be on a VPN?
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danlyke Although, favorite UA string from my logs recently: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/35.0.1916.153 Safari/537.36"
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danlyke Don't think so. My server is in a closet in a friend's company, 69.24.139.147
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mko Hm. I have noticed that if a site uses something like Cloudflare CDN that it can often block sites that are on VPNs.
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kylewm i didn't know anyone was running idno in the wild!
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gRegor` danlyke: Confirmed this LWP::UserAgent method worked http://stackoverflow.com/a/24574
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danlyke gRegor` thanks. For right now I figure that if people wanna block my user agent, I don't much care if they link to me and I don't see it :-)
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aaronpk I had to send a fake user agent for indieauth.com requests because a lot of people were returning empty pages for the default
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kylewm like this quote: "If we had the cloud technologies of today when the blogosphere started, we'd never have needed the silos" http://scripting.com/2014/10/15/someoneHadToGoFirst.html
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kylewm I* like
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tantek_ Really kylewm? "cloud technologies" have nothing to do with why the silos succeeded, which was due to all their ux innovations.
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tantek_ cloud tech is just plumbing.
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tantek_ That quote shows a misplaced focus on plumbing over UX
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kylewm that's interesting, tantek_
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kylewm I guess i'm thinking about how easy it is for me to spin up a VPS to run my blog, or even for Ben to run withknown on AWS
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kylewm compared to acquiring servers and stuff in the early 00s
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Pierre-O @snarfed I am working on solving this: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/253
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Pierre-O Should I work against your webmention-tools or the one from https://github.com/vrypan
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Pierre-O ?
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tantek_ Kylewm vps and was were never necessary, only marginally different than shared hosting
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tantek_ Again, misfocus on backend
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tantek_ Nothing to do with why silos succeeded
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tantek_ This is why they succeeded: http://indiewebcamp.com/silos#Silo_Innovations
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tantek_ While prominent blog innovators debated backend tech
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tantek_ That users did / do not car about
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baku hi, question, can I use mozilla persona to log-in on indiewebcamp ?
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Jeena Hm bridgy can't find my webmentions endpoint anymore, weird https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1413399761&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyRwsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIjl0YWc6ZmFjZWJvb2suY29tLDIwMTM6MTAxNTMyNDM1NDY5NDI2NzhfMTAxNTMyNDM3MDAzMTc2NzgM
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tantek_ Baku see indiewebcamp.com/jndieauth
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baku (I don't really like to use facebook/google/etc etc)
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mko baku: IndieAuth does support Persona. I use it.
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bret baku, indieauth supports personas as an authentication method
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Jeena even though curl -i -s https://jeena.net/notes/267 | grep 'rel="webmention"' gives me Link: <https://jeena.net/webmentions>; rel="webmention"
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baku mko, bret \o/
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baku cool.
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bret you have to publish an email address on the domain that you want to sign in with though
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bret there is also SMS, TOTP and GPG authentication
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bret lots of neat things can happen when you can publish different auth methods onto a personal website
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bret :)
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ben_thatmustbeme i recommend against TOTP
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baku bret, sure. I'm planning to be a mozilla persona provider for myself, but before getting crazy configuring everything, I wanted to know if it's supported :)
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ben_thatmustbeme but thats just me
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bret ben_thatmustbeme: why?
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ben_thatmustbeme too easy to brute force
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: citation?
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ben_thatmustbeme math
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bret proof?
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aaronpk bret++
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Loqi bret has 36 karma
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bret ;)
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bret wouldn't just having a longer time to retry prevent that kind of brute force?
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aaronpk each key is only valid for 30 seconds
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mko http://zerocool.is-a-geek.net/google-two-factor-authentication-possible-attacks-and-prevention/
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bret i know some TOTP codes are longer than others
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, doesn't matter
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bret have there been any documented breakins in the wild?
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ben_thatmustbeme http://calc.opensecurityresearch.com/ lets say you can do 10 keys per second password length 6 chars, numeric charset (and pretend for a second that the key doesn't change)
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ben_thatmustbeme you can brute force in 1 day 6 hours
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: still waiting for a citation. and if you don't have one, write a post on your site ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll do that
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk and then I will read it
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, i'll do that all out tonight
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aaronpk and then figure out how to fix it
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aaronpk like, rate limiting might be easiest
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ben_thatmustbeme simple, don't use google auth as only auth, is only meant to prevent brute force of main password
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bret 10 failed codes and TOTP is off the table?
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ben_thatmustbeme thats another option
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bret seems reasonable
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bret like by the 7th code, you know its not going to work
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bret and a brute force would just chew through that in a second
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bret unless it gets lucky :0
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aaronpk by all means write a post with your research, then add a note on /IndieAuth or https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues
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bret my iPhone is set to nuke after 10 bad codes
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll need to bust out my math skills again, oy
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bret crosses fingers a kid does not get ahold of it
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bret i should change my github password
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mko Psst. I linked to an article where someone already did the math for you.
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Loqi yea
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bret mko: what do you think about the 10 try limit
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bret or fail2ban style prevention methods
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aaronpk mko: one recommendation there is to limit by IP, which seems like it wouldn't help a DDOS style attack
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aaronpk so it seems that the best way is to put limits on login attempts
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, aaronpk, short way, just try the same exact code every 30 seconds, wait for the random number to come to you, at 1 code per 30 seconds it would take almost a year
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ben_thatmustbeme now speed up past 1 per 30 seconds...
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ben_thatmustbeme i will still write it all up later
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mko I don't have much of an opinion on the subject. I think that a well-implemented TOTP with reasonable rate-limiting and login attempts in place is pretty secure. Not impenetrable, but more secure than most options available.
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bret ben_thatmustbeme: are all possibilities guaranteed to be used in that time, or is there additional randomness to it?
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aaronpk yeah it is somewhat unconventional to use TOTP for single-factor authentication
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ben_thatmustbeme bret, not guaranteed no, but thats average case
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jonnybarnes what's happened to aaronpk_?
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aaronpk aaronpk_ is no more
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jonnybarnes awww
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shaners aaronpk yay!
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Loqi giggles
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bret hoots
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aaronpk I finally got aaronpk set up on my home server again. so as long as I don't lose access to it on this trip aaronpk_ will not be here anymore
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ben_thatmustbeme anytime its random, the best case is 1 the worst is infinite, so there is not point really with either of those
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GWG aaronpk: Where are you?
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aaronpk but it's using a reverse ssh tunnel since I don't have port forwarding access on this router yet
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GWG aaronpk: I thought you went home to drink coffee
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aaronpk GWG on my way to Nürnberg to do an indieweb talk and workshop at border:none!
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aaronpk GWG: lol you must be following my metrics page
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aaronpk which is sadly lacking checkins at the moment
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GWG aaronpk: Not religiously. Just checked it now for effect.
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aaronpk :)
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bret oh shnap aaronpk, looks like a cool lineup
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bret your at the top of the list, as usual
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aaronpk aa++
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bret aaronpk: are you doing any live demos during the talk?
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bret Should get my friend aaaron in here
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aaronpk bret: I don't think so, not confident the network access will be reliable
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danlyke Following up on UA restrictions earlier, even a GET of http://www.owenshepherd.net/robots.txt gives the HTML Cloudflare warning.
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Pierre-O I had IndieAuth working, and it stopped working for some reasons. Anybody has an idea on that? http://pierre-o.fr/
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kylewm Pierre-O: everything looks correct on your end, not sure why indieauth.com is complaining
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@aaronpk Super excited to be heading to Germany to give an #indieweb talk and workshop at border:none! https://border-none.net/2014/scene-setters#c61 (twitter.com/_/status/522480828501078016)
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@border_none RT @aaronpk: Super excited to be heading to Germany to give an #indieweb talk and workshop at border:none! https://border-none.net/2014/scene-setters#c61 (twitter.com/_/status/522481794076401664)
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@mattl @obra they've been very hit and miss for me lately. the car i took to indiewebcamp was great, but the one home was terrible. (twitter.com/_/status/522482247098961920)
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KevinMarks__ interesting experiments in silio embedding: https://twitter.com/cdixon/status/522451452086992899
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@cdixon Trying a new format. Tweetstorm that later becomes listicle blog post and includes some tweet replies. http://cdixon.org/2014/10/15/a-lot-of-the-best-tech-startups-are-ideas-that-have-been-around-for-years/ (twitter.com/_/status/522451452086992899)
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@kevinmarks @cdixon @alexismadrigal you should have a look at http://indieweb.com/webmention - implemented by @withknown, plugins for Wordpress etc (twitter.com/_/status/522486879426715648)
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@kevinmarks "@cdixon: @alexismadrigal I like to have a place online that I fully own and control." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/522487224638533632)
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@fdevillamil I do too. RT @kevinmarks: “@cdixon: @alexismadrigal I like to have a place online that I fully own and control.” #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/522487622162468864)
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kylewm KevinMarks__: looks so much better before twitter's js gets a hold of it https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/cdixon-tweetstorm.png
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KevinMarks__ it does look a bit chunky with the full decoration; maybe @benward could do it with a lighter touch if the whole post is tweets
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@adrianshort I've got a new hobby: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=adrianshort.org #indieweb #POODLE (twitter.com/_/status/522489230984249345)
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KevinMarks__ hm, suggestions for deanna? https://twitter.com/deanna/status/522489148742303744
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@deanna Best free, secure (like, super nerdy secure) collab doc editing alts to Google Docs: go. //cc @kevinmarks @beingbrina @n8fr8 @BaghdadBrian (twitter.com/_/status/522489148742303744)
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KevinMarks__ secure is the hard part
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@jkphl RT @aaronpk: Super excited to be heading to Germany to give an #indieweb talk and workshop at border:none! https://border-none.net/2014/scene-setters#c61 (twitter.com/_/status/522490767529746432)
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gregorlove.com created /Google_Calendar (+316) "Google Calendar stub, mainly for the "failed to save event" error I've been getting" (view diff)
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@ShenoaLawrence Exploring what's happening with the #IndieWeb, and stumbled on Known. I figured I'd poke it with a stick and see what jumps out. (twitter.com/_/status/522495859364081664)
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tantek is anyone using Google Calendar as a UI to data they keep in their own storage (e.g. on their site)?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'd love to, but haven't gotten to that yet
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ben_thatmustbeme specifically it would be great to do that and share calendar with my wife
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KevinMarks__ I use it as a UI to foursquare/swarm checkins
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gRegor` That's interesting
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tantek KevinMarks - as a PESETAS aggregator then
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KevinMarks__ yes, also sub to cals from FB, lanyrd etc
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ben_thatmustbeme what is pesetas
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Loqi PESETAS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate Everything To A Silo http://indiewebcamp.com/PESETAS
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aaronpk i don't think google calendar can speak caldav so you can't use it as a generci calendar reader
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KevinMarks__ hm, I thought it did
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KevinMarks__ at least to red
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KevinMarks__ "If you know the address to a calendar (in iCal format), you can type in the address here."
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aaronpk you can read calendars yeah
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aaronpk that's not caldav
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reedstrm wonders how much beer was involved in the coining of POSSE, PESOS, PESETAS ...
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gRegor` What is caldav?
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Loqi CalDAV is a protocol for syncing calendars http://indiewebcamp.com/CalDAV
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gRegor` what is iCal?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iCal" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=iCal
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gRegor` reedstrm++ Haha
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Loqi reedstrm has 5 karma
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reedstrm ical is to caldav as html is to http. Roughly. (caldav is a dialect/extension of webdav)
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KevinMarks__ and webdav is an extension fo http too
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gRegor` Was just checking on the wiki, not actually asking
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KevinMarks__ URL to iCal format is a degenerate case fo CalDAV?
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KevinMarks__ er Icalendar format
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tantek reedstrm - zero beers needed for POSSE, PESOS, PESETAS
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reedstrm I realize that - I just like the formulation :-)
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reedstrm tantek: Ah y'all are just twisted like that.
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KevinMarks__ is there a term for acronyms that spell spanish words?
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tantek we have a variety of drinking preferences, no drinking monoculture here ;)
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tantek looks up citation for coining of PESETAS
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reedstrm hmmm What can I come up with to fit ... Syndicate Everything Re-Aquire Personal Expression
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reedstrm Existence? Publishing Experience?
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tantek reedstrm - helps to name an existing personal behavior that has no previous name
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KevinMarks__ Consuming Extensive Refreshments Viigourously Encourages Zesty Acronyms
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tantek KevinMarks++
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reedstrm No I agree, it's useful. Just playing.
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aaronpk /b 21
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aaronpk oops
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reedstrm The Purple 8 Ball says: Unclear
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@_ericelliott RT @html5devconf: The web is your API: feeds and actions using HTML5 and webmentions by @benwerd of Known at next #HTML5DevConf http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/522516279929102336)
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@thierrymarianne Looking forward to building a custom site tailored for my content via @thegridio [https://t.co/tHU8iJ1vtO] #IndieWeb #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/522516433700274176)
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tantek thierrymarianne: what is thegridio?
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@molokoloco RT @thierrymarianne: Looking forward to building a custom site tailored for my content via @thegridio [https://t.co/tHU8iJ1vtO] #IndieWeb #… (twitter.com/_/status/522519121565872129)
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snarfed smh: "Thunderstorm helps you turn your ideas & opinions into organized tweetstorms. Compose long-form opinions & Publish to Twitter" https://github.com/Dshankar/thunderstorm
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tantek snarfed: good enough for Marc Andreesen right?
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snarfed heh. "good enough"
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KevinMarks_ noterlive is along the same lines
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tantek KevinMarks: not even - noterlive is an enabler for self-standing real-time live-tweets from events!
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KevinMarks_ and will be more indie once I get micropub working
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tantek aside - to all: is anyone here going to border:none besides aaronpk and adactio? https://border-none.net/2014
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tantek aaronpk is giving a great workshop on setting up and using your own indie / social web site: https://border-none.net/2014/scene-setters#c61
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tantek and adactio (Jeremy Keith) as well: https://border-none.net/2014/scene-setters#c62
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tantek we should add such events to http://indiewebcamp.com/Events with details of specific talks like that
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Loqi it is probable
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tantek similarly, benwerd's appearance at HTML5DevConf
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tantek http://html5devconf.com/speakers/ben_werdmuller.html
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tantek appears to be Conference: October 20 & 21, 2014, at Moscone Center, San Francisco
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aaronpk I would add those but my internet on the plane is spotty
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pdurbin nicks on a plane
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tantek aaronpk, if only there was a way you could locally edit/save the /Events wiki page, and then issue a singular pull-request style transaction to the indiewebcamp wiki.
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danlyke that's pretty much the reason I moved from MediaWiki to a git-backed wiki.
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aaronpk I do have the wiki pages in a folder here
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup
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finchd danlyke: built yourself or is there a git-backed wiki?
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thierrymarianne tantek: The people at thegrid.io introduce the service as a kind of templates generator which would generate aforementioned templates from the content (hosted on github.com as github pages). The logic would belong to them and it might come with a yearly subscription plan and there is plenty of resources available in their organization repositories (https://github.com/the-grid)
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pdurbin loves git-backed wikis, such as http://ikiwiki.info
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