#indiewebcamp 2014-10-21

2014-10-21 UTC
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ShaneHudson Just noticed I was in #indieauth and #indieweb channels on irc, due to clicking hashtags on tweets haha
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Loqi ahahaha
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bear is there an indieauth channel?
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sparverius i just believe that they defeat the purpose of readable hyperlinks pointing at a distinct resource. although, i guess with the way iwc uses it means they have a higher chance of being printed
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tantek bear is there a need for a separate indieauth channel?
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tantek sparverius - indeed - on both counts. The rise of use-cases for short(er) URLs has led to explicit use of short domains to help with that.
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tantek though some have (and sometimes in just some cases) used *one* domain but with a short path instead. e.g. when I POSSE my blog posts to Twitter, I link with tantek.com but with a short-path instead of the full domain (I realize that due to t.co this is unnecessary, but just providing an example)
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sparverius hmm
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sparverius maybe integrating the short path into the url?
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sparverius https://you.me/post/ABC123/this-is-an-example-post
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tantek but then why bother with /post/ ?
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sparverius yeah
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sparverius tbh im just a huge fan of subdomaining.
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sparverius so
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sparverius id probably use ://wm.you.me/
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sparverius or something
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tantek I'm only a fan of subdomaining when there's an identity or security context to denote
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tantek per CORS
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tantek sparverius, here's and example of "normal" domain + short-path: https://twitter.com/t/status/511850109748125696
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@t IndieWebCampUK 2014 Hack Day Demos: HTTPS, #webactions, new & improved #indieweb sites: http://tantek.com/2014/259/b1/indiewebcampuk-hack-day-https-webactions (twitter.com/_/status/511850109748125696)
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tantek oops - Loqi unwraps the t.co and follows redirects
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Loqi dude
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tantek actual tweet content:
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tantek "IndieWebCampUK 2014 Hack Day Demos: HTTPS, #webactions, new & improved #indieweb sites: http://tantek.com/b/4Y91"
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KartikPrabhu_ gregor`: my db saves the author info (name, photo, url) and the webmention type (mention, repost, like etcc), content, the relative URL of my post it replied to, and the source sending the mention (like brid.gy))
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sparverius now that i think about it i only use subdomaining because i run everything in separate VMs and it's easier that way
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sparverius well, VPSes
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sparverius i would love to merge everything into one IP and do routing/firewalling
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tantek what is a subdomain?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "subdomain" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=subdomain
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu_ How are you detecting duplicate wm?
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tantek.com moved /subdomains to /subdomain "singularize"
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sparverius basically the state of my hosted services is a huge mess and i know it
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sparverius but it's a well partitioned huge mess :/
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tantek sparverius: it's ok, we're all in the middle of various degrees of mess :)
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ShaneHudson Yup I am in the process of moving VPS to Dedi. Hard work
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tantek.com edited /subdomain (+905) "dfn, indieweb examples, silo examples, path alternative with silo examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /subdomain (+63) "/* Silo Examples */ LJ switched read why" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/ShaneHudson/524343573052145664/524344954114822144 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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kylewm have to admit, I think I prefer cweiske's web+reply, web+like, etc. proposal here better than both indie-config and mp-config http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webactions.htm
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xxcoeurxx kylewm: having fun?
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kylewm xxcoeurxx: ?
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kylewm if the only problem with that approach it is that most visitors won't know what to do with a web+reply: link, then maybe do the same JS-timeout trick that voxpelli does when web+action isn't handled after 3 seconds
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xxcoeurxx re: our twitter discussion :)
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kylewm xxcoeurxx: ohh no sadly, i couldn't purchase the domain yet via name.com and didn't care enough to seek out another registrar :P
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xxcoeurxx kylewm: haha well i think you can get it via namecheap tho
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ben_thatmust kylewm, the problem with web+reply is you are managing protocol handlers on every device
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ben_thatmust would be nice to have just one, and config is on the browser side that way, not the server side
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ben_thatmust plus you have to load iframe for every protocol you want to use
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ben_thatmust also, I pushed code, so if you edit the login on mine to ask for a scope, (or login from ben.thatmustbe.me/new) it will get a token and pass that along to your MP endpoint
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ben_thatmust when it calls the ?q=actions
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KartikPrabhu_ gregor`: by comparing to the url that sent the mention. So silos get compared to bridgy
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KartikPrabhu_ not deduping indiweb vs silo yet
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gRegor` No target check?
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KartikPrabhu_ oh yeah that too :)
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gRegor` You process async or no?
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KartikPrabhu_ no as I get them
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: I don't understand why the iframe is needed with web+reply?
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ben_thatmust kylewm from cweiske's post "Currently it is not possible to check if a browser handles a given protocol, so we have to rely on the iframe hack. "
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ben_thatmust kylewm, try logging in to my site now, every post should have a couple little icons on the bottom corner
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ben_thatmust he's off for the night
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ben_thatmust i'm guessing
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tantek I'm still really impressed by bridgy's ability to POSSE even RSVP posts
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tantek I was able to RSVP for the POSSE copy of this week's HWC SF event with a single curl statement (to Bridgy's endpoint, after I'd auth'd Bridgy with FB).
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tantek didn't have to visit fb.com
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tantek bridgy++
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Loqi bridgy has 12 karma
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tantek what is an invitation?
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Loqi An invitation is a type of post that is both a reply to an event post, and a notification to one or more individuals that they have been invited to that event http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/12802152/363235400520063/214611 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek has anyone posted an actual "invitation" post? where you (A) invite one or more people (B1, B2, … Bn) to an event (E) that's being organized by someone else ©?
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tantek if a "normal" post is just an h-entry, with you (A) as the p-author, the invitees (B1…Bn) could be specified with either minimal u-invitee properties just to their home page, or the more human friendly p-invitee properties of minimal <a href> h-cards with name, URL, even icon. that just leaves something for the event that you're inviting them too.
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tantek perhaps an invitation is an example of an interaction with an event post? and thus an invitation post should be posted with an in-reply-to link to the event!
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tantek similar to an RSVP
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ben_thatmust yeah, sounds like in-reply-to event and mention to all the people they are inviting
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tantek you would send webmentions to all of the invitees's homepages, and to the event URL
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tantek the people receiving the invitation webmentions would have to notice that the link to them is on a p-invitee property (similar to detecting if the link is on a u-like-of or u-repost-of)
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tantek and then their site should present those as "invitations" rather than just home page mentions
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tantek perhaps even with buttons to RSVP yes maybe no
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tantek which would create respective RSVP posts
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tantek next step is POSSEing these invitations
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tantek which could be done in a couple of ways
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tantek either the invitation post could be a multi-reply, in-reply-to both the original event, and its POSSE copy, similar to how my RSVP post is a mult-reply: http://tantek.com/2014/293/t1/homebrew-website-club-mozsf
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tantek AND then link each invitee's h-card to *both* their home page and their facebook profile URL
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tantek then a POSSE proxy like Bridgy publish could simply look for both the in-reply-to FB event, and then p-invitee h-cards with FB profile URLs, and post the invitation on FB for them.
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tantek what is multi-rsvp?
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Loqi An RSVP is a type of post that is a reply to an event post http://indiewebcamp.com/multi-rsvp
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tantek awesome
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ben_thatmust is happy to start lining up all his action icons, edit, delete, undelete, reply, repost, like, bookmark
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ben_thatmust !tell kylewm your mp-config doesn't seem to respond to Content-Type:application/json I was trying to switch over to that. You should have working icons when you log in to my site now though
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /mp-config (+190) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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kylewm waves
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Loqi kylewm: ben_thatmust left you a message 14 minutes ago: your mp-config doesn't seem to respond to Content-Type:application/json I was trying to switch over to that. You should have working icons when you log in to my site now though
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ben_thatmust hey
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kylewm the popups look great
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kylewm but my webmention didn't go through!
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kylewm oh there it is
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kylewm ben_thatmust: Does my comment have a delete link because I'm logged in??
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ben_thatmust yes
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ben_thatmust or it should
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kylewm that's awesome
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ben_thatmust should have edit too
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ben_thatmust oh, only if your mp-config says you support it
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ben_thatmust it should be that way with delete too
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ben_thatmust i also support bookmark
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kylewm ben_thatmust: it looks like you were using Content-Header on the request to kylewm.com/micropub?q=actions ?
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kylewm I think I could support that with an Accept header instead (but I don't yet)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /mp-config (+810) "brainstorming" (view diff)
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ben_thatmust Content-Header? let me check
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ben_thatmust curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_HTTPHEADER, array( 'Content-Type: application/json'));
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ben_thatmust i wiki page said you did, i thought
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ben_thatmust you can tlel i'm getting tired
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ben_thatmust oh, i should be using Accept: huh?
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kylewm sorry I meant to say Content-Type
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ben_thatmust according to the wiki page you said you already supported content-type
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ben_thatmust it makes more sense as Accept: application/json yes?
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kylewm yeah if you return json with a content-type json from your endpoint, then i will parse it
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kylewm i'm working on adding the accept header bit right now
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kylewm curl -i -H"Accept:application/json" https://kylewm.com/micropub?q=actions
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kylewm that should work now
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kylewm you can go to bed, it's late there :)
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ben_thatmust oh the hell, i'm just changing over to non-json
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ben_thatmust no point in format wars
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kylewm :P
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ben_thatmust there, converted off of json to url-encoded
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ben_thatmust i really like the mp-config method, so much cleaner, but we are just still limited by the requirement to log in
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ben_thatmust the one time you want a cookie that would work cross sites
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ben_thatmust hah
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kylewm heh, yeah I'm curious if there's anyway to do some kind of cross-site authorization
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butter delegated webID ACLs?
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butter FOAF:groups residing on other servers (the UNIX group thing but URIs instead of integer uids basically)
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kylewm what are webID ACLs?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webID ACLs" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=webID+ACLs
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butter your x509 cert identifies you to the server, there's a URI in it, roughly equiv to rel=me
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butter then that URi is used in the access-control-lists
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butter or possibly just mentioned as a member of a group elsewhere
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kylewm butter: is this implemented somewhere?
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butter you can test it out w/ http://cimba.co/
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kylewm butter: so... I created a rww.io account, and now it says i need a TLS certificate
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kylewm cimba.co is the Linked Data answer to Twitter?
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butter it's more or less one guy's answer to a decentralized twitter using bleeding-edge Linked-Data standards yes
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butter trying to get my head around this indieauth stuff etc
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kylewm butter: I made it as far as http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID#Adding_a_certificate before I ran out of steam for the night
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kylewm just so you know I made a good faith effort to understand ;)
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techlifeweb any Known users around?
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thierrym kylewm: You can have TLS certificate quite easily at http://startssl.com/ (for free)
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thierrym techlifeweb: I am a Known user.
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techlifeweb thierrym: Are you useing their site or self hosting?
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thierrym techlifeweb: I use both versions.
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techlifeweb thierrym: Cool. I'm testing it out and so far so good except I can't seem to connect to Facebook.
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thierrym You might want to sign up to brid.gy
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thierrym I recently figured you meed to register your profile at brid.gy in order to benefit from cross-socnet interactions
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thierrym or what do you mean by "I can't seem to connect to Facebook."
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techlifeweb Well there is a part where you create an App on Facebook then after you enter you key and secret, you connect to it. I can't seem to connect to it. It all looks like it works but it seems there is a piece missing somehow.
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thierrym techlifeweb: Let me check it out.
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tantek who else besides Known folks, aaronpk, barnabywalters receives and sees webmentions sent to their /homepage ?
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tantek ben_thatmustbe? KartikPrabhu?
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tantek !tell butter welcome back. go ahead and add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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thierrym techlifeweb: are you referring to Settings > Homepage content?
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techlifeweb thierrym: no. Site Configuration -> Facebook tab (you have to enable the plugin first)
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techlifeweb That then tells you to go to https://developers.facebook.com/apps and create an app.
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thierrym techlifeweb: I have not activated this plugin yet. Are you dealing with this one: https://github.com/idno/Facebook?
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voxpelli tantek: WebMentions for /homepage? Some special handling for those cases or?
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tantek voxpelli: indeed. there are numerous use-cases for homepage webmentions, but as there's not much sending of them, there's not much UI/UX for showing them.
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thierrym techlifeweb: I'm trying to install the plugin on my instance.
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techlifeweb thierrym: to be honest, I'm not sure. The plugin was part of the Known install package I downloaded from withknown.com
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thierrym techlifeweb: I'll try to follow the same path you have :)
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thierrym s/:)/./
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Loqi thierrym meant to say: techlifeweb: I'll try to follow the same path you have .
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thierrym s/ :)/./
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voxpelli tantek: Yeah, I know eg. http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/contact/ lists all mentions for that entire site + KevinMarks has always just listed homepage WebMentions – more should do so
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thierrym Substitutions don't apply to Loqi subtitutions :)
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voxpelli kylewm: Regarding individual protocol handlers, there's a section about that in the wiki: http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#Using_custom_handler_for_replies_instead_of_configuration
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tantek voxpelli neat - that's more like a post / wiki page about "openwebicons/contact/" than a "home page" per se though. what about receiving webmentions on your personal domain home page?
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voxpelli tantek: Yeah, it's more the concept of a catch-all mentions page like Twitter's that is kind of interesting. My personal domain page needs some updates like that – should add it to my Itch page :P
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tantek ok cool good to know!
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tantek I'm trying to work out how "invitations" can work (so far I have three use-cases) and I wanted to try to post a test invitation post which would send webmentions to everyone invited.
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snarfed tantek: re bridgy auto-posseing rsvps to invitation posts…it has a similar feature already: if you reply/like etc an original post, and bridgy sees a syndication like, it auto posses that interaction into the silo
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snarfed (which you may already know)
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 45 minutes ago: documented a few more short(er) URL (thus domain) use-cases: http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domains#Entry_length_limitations
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snarfed should be straightforward to extend that to handle indirect rsvps (ie to invitations instead of events)
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tantek yeah I'm realizing there are several invitation use-casea
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tantek s/casea/cases
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Loqi tantek meant to say: yeah I'm realizing there are several invitation use-cases
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tantek so I'm writing those up first
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snarfed also, #indiechat bait: emacs 24.4 is out!
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snarfed kisses his hacking time goodbye for the next few days :P
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tantek !tell thierrym I made you an h-card :) http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Thierry.marianne.io go ahead and add "Working On" and "Itches" sections to your user page!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed hmm. does known accept homepage webmentions now? it didn't a bit ago
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tantek snarfed - oh? I thought it did. ok I'm assuming you do then :)
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snarfed i definitely don't :P
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tantek.com edited /invitation (+1135) "expand invitation definition to event+invitation(s), invitation(s) post, RSVP+invitation(s)" (view diff)
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tantek what is an invitation?
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Loqi An invitation is an optional feature of an event post (an event with invitations), or a reply to an event post that also notifies a list of invitees that they've been invited to the event, or a special case of that, an RSVP to an event that also invites additional people to it http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation
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tantek snarfed ^^^ make sense?
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snarfed tantek: sure!
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tantek cool. also I tried to write-up 3 how-tos (one for each variant) http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation#How_to
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tantek.com edited /invitation (+1) "/* Publish an RSVP with invitations */ /a" (view diff)
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tantek ok that's enough brainstorming/braindumping for tonight. I may try posting a plain invitation post tomorrow just to see what it looks like as an extension of a note.
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tantek really need/want a nickname cache for that though, so I can post invitations to people's home pages, and then have the POSSE Twitter copy of my invitation use their @-names instead, and then when POSSEing to FB, auto-convert their URLs to their FB profiles.
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snarfed good call. that's one big reason i still manually posse most notes
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tantek snarfed, yeah. I kind of want to figure out all this with a manual flow, and then I feel like I'll understand it well enough to propose adding to / extending the Bridgy Publish feature for POSSEing invitations
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snarfed sure
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KevinMarks Hm, if you send an invitation as a webmention of kevinmarks.com I may see it and then click through and make an rsvp
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KevinMarks Another use case would be to webmention the previous hwc event perhaps?
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tantek.com edited /invitation (+563) "move Why to top, subsections for each type of invitation, IndieWeb Examples none so far" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /indie-config (+17) "Update regarding my use of a web component" (view diff)
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@mapkyca Pondering #webmention spam & how to mitigate abuse from trolls. Social graph a good start for signals, but need to avoid becoming a clique. (twitter.com/_/status/524474237550346240)
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Loqi [mention] https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/285/implementing-webmentions-vouch linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/vouch (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/285/implementing-webmentions-vouch linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge (webmention)
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@pypi_updates ronkyuu 0.2.11: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.11 (twitter.com/_/status/524488512893362176)
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@pypi_updates ninka 0.1.2: IndieAuth Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.1.2 (twitter.com/_/status/524489267859697664)
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@artwisanggeni #python ronkyuu 0.2.11: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.11 (twitter.com/_/status/524492329864798209)
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@artwisanggeni #python ninka 0.1.2: IndieAuth Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.1.2 (twitter.com/_/status/524492344251269121)
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Loqi [mention] http://hmans.io/zgb163 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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ben_thatmust tantek_ tantek__ tantek___ I receive and process any webmentions to any valid page of mine. It should default back to a generic mention or like for the main page. which i believe should be displayed as a "recent mention" in the right sidebar, but it has been some time since that was tested.
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@benwerd @knowtheory @eads @emilybell It's a lot of the basis of the #indieweb movement, and our motivation for building @withknown. (twitter.com/_/status/524557934819147776)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/jkphl/524296124245749760/12758622 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/jkphl/524296124245749760/591203629 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/jkphl/524296124245749760/524298691310411776 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood (webmention)
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adactio ben_thatmustbeme: I like your posting interface. Works a treat: https://adactio.com/notes/7696
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 10/20 at 4:47pm: your suggestion is very close to what I discovered a couple of years ago - Twitter does not hashtag-link nor hyperlink #http - e.g.: https://twitter.com/t/status/225102430981988354
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gRegor` http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club&action=history Perhaps we should include instructions to make RSVPing easier. ~~~~ is the quickest way for newbies.
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club (+81) "/* RSVP */ The quickest way to sign your name is with four tildes: ~~~~" (view diff)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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neuro` Hi tantek
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reedstrm yup, still morning here ...
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reedstrm Hi tantek
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tantek ShaneHudson: re: Twitter Developer relations /Twitter#Criticism, this tweet is for you: https://twitter.com/jf/status/524412388745818113
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@jf Twitter to Offer New Tools for App Developers https://twitter.com/jf/status/524412388745818113/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/524412388745818113)
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tantek (check the image ;) )
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tantek gRegor`: Dunlaps.net is no newbie ;)
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tantek (maybe new(ish) at creating mediawiki {{}} templates, especially from another template ;) )
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gRegor` That's what I meant
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek hello tgbrun!
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KartikPrabhu_ seems like I have started getting "promoted" things on twitter
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KartikPrabhu_ on laptop "promoted trends" and on mobile web "promoted tweets" in stream
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adactio I just published a lengthy write-up of the indie web building blocks that aaronpk and myself were showing in Nuremberg last weekend: https://adactio.com/journal/7698
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tantek adactio++ brilliant post!
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adactio tantek: thank you kindly
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adactio I've been mulling some micropub possibilities...
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tantek did you see that voxpelli simplified and sped-up the <indie-action> implementation?
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adactio tantek: yeah, I saw that post. Nice one.
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adactio tantek: Remember when every profile on huffduffer (or at least every one with a person's URL) had a list of "elsewhere" links (Twitter, etc.) powered by Google's now-defunct social graph API?
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tantek yes
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tantek my goal is to implement this by tomorrow night: http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#How_to_load_someones_indie-config
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adactio tantek: I was thinking: if I could revive that feature on Huffduffer, and make a micropub endpoint on Huffduffer ...then Huffduffer would have a writable API!
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adactio tantek: you could post to your Huffduffer account from third-party apps.
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@bretolius @mapkyca the WM http://indiewebcamp.com/vouch protocol extension aims to address this (twitter.com/_/status/524602626952794112)
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tantek adactio - yes! that makes total sense.
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tantek btw I just "shared" your post in the #social channel on W3C IRC
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adactio tantek: oh, thank you.
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tantek http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2014-10-21#t1413910006153
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tantek and I didn't even say anything provocative like, note the complete lack of any ActivityStreams or JSON (plain or LD flavored).
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tgbrun tantek: Sorry about that I was called away. Thanks for the shoutout.
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bret ps adactio super great post about building blocks!
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bret adactio++
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message on 10/20 at 10:50am: aaron, bret, case (the ABC's of IndieWeb PDX ;) ) could one or more of you pick a space to host HWC this week 2014-10-22 in PDX and add to wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club#Where Thanks much!
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adactio bret: thank you!
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bret aaronpk: are you in PDX this week?
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gRegor` Oh cool, didn't realize the socialwg was being logged on indiewebcamp
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu_ Twitter's been doing promoted tweets (ads) for a while. Or do you mean something different?
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KartikPrabhu_ hmm I only started seeing them possibly a week ago
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gRegor` tantek Hah, that Twitter Peanuts image is great.
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benwerd Anyone else at HTML5DevConf today?
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 10/16 at 6:12pm: since you're posting photos on your own site per http://indiewebcamp.com/photo#IndieWeb_Examples - how much of an itch is it for you to be able to tag the people in the photos per http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag and even auto-POSSE those person-tags along with your photo?
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Loqi benwerd: KartikPrabhu__ left you a message on 10/18 at 3:14pm: seems known picked up the wrong content on this mention: http://stream.withknown.com/2014/webmention-an-introduction-for-developers##My+friends+at+Ortiz
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Loqi benwerd: kylewm left you a message on 10/19 at 6:47pm: did you POSSE a person-tagged photo?? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100959763169079&set=a.10100499239547109.1073741827.36802236&type=1&permPage=1
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benwerd Has it really been that long?!
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benwerd tantek - Image tagging is an itch but not as big as many of the other itches.
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benwerd I use tagging as a silo-specific notification method to let people know I uploaded a photo of them, rather than any kind of filtering mechanism
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tantek benwerd - the point of person-tagging your own photos is to avoid having to use silo-specific UIs to do so - and instead let your POSSE posting handle that.
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ShaneHudson Would be a useful feature for a micropub client
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benwerd nods
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benwerd It's definitely a good feature to have - but something for after the reader (as having that directory functionality fully in place will also help with the tagging)
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tantek right, the auto-complete UI for people-tagging is one of the challenges, and using followings will be helpful
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@Johannes_Ernst You create the data, you should own it. What's so controversial about that? #indieweb #indieiot http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=649 (twitter.com/_/status/524620920447434752)
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bret any takers? I might try responding to this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2014Oct/0002.html
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aaronpk oh boy
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 day ago: aaron, bret, case (the ABC's of IndieWeb PDX ;) ) could one or more of you pick a space to host HWC this week 2014-10-22 in PDX and add to wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-10-22-homebrew-website-club#Where Thanks much!
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ShaneHudson aaronpk++
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tantek bret - feel free to respond to any socialwg posts you like.
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tantek and make liberal use of YAGNI
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bret working on it
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tantek what is json-ld?
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Loqi JSON-LD is JSON with "Linked Data" support http://indiewebcamp.com/JSON-LD
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@om Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524622483278688256)
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tantek bret - note also adactio's blog post where he explains IndieWeb building blocks and what they enable - and note no need of JSON(LD).
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@barce RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524622618515623936)
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tantek what is Swift?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Swift" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Swift
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aaronpk adactio++ for an awesome blog post! that was a great writeup!
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@BadRedOne RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524622862507073536)
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aaronpk omg @om has 1.4 million followers. we're gonna be seeing that tweet a bunch today methinks
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tantek especially by anyone wanting to troll the apple fans
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@benwerd Excited to talk about some of the amazing #indieweb technology we're using on @withknown at #html5devconf this afternoon (5pm, room N120). (twitter.com/_/status/524623224865177600)
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aaronpk where is this Phoenix? the blog post doesn't have a link to it
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@indie RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524623286702182401)
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aaronpk at the very bottom of the article there is a small paragraph "What is Phoenix?" but there is no link to it despite the article saying "Today we're releasing Phoenix..."
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tantek aaronpk - perhaps a friendly reply asking for a link to this supposed Phoenix?
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tantek rather than just a blog post about it?
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tantek aaronpk - there's still a few hours left in "today" ;)
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aaronpk I don't know if I want to appear provocative or confrontational about it
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@erinjo RT @benwerd: Excited to talk about some of the amazing #indieweb technology we're using on @withknown at #html5devconf this afternoon (5pm,… (twitter.com/_/status/524623725132382208)
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aaronpk aha, the email they just sent out has the link
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aaronpk https://source.ind.ie/project/phoenix/tree/master
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aaronpk "Phoenix is an open source implementation of of the swift language."
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@sblinde RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524624084618190849)
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Jeena uhm, this is odd, I just got my first webmention spam. they even bothered to add a backlink to their html: http://sacatoday.com/inside-real-world-the-health-journal-advice/ and add the word "radio" to the text of the link (the title of my article is "AirPlay Radio")
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tantek !tell benwerd add your indieweb/known talk to /events!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk seriously webmention? not pingback via the proxy?
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benwerd good idea!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 16 seconds ago: add your indieweb/known talk to /events!
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benwerd :)
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Jeena oh this is a good question aaronpk
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tantek gotta log that
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tantek pingback vs webmention
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aaronpk i get lots of webmention spam but only because I accept pingbacks as webmentions from webmention.io
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tantek hey aaronpk - is there some way we can "nowiki" like not link to spam links from our IRC logs?
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aaronpk oh I think I saw a question about streaming comments. in fact that is documented with sample code on webmention.io
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aaronpk heh
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Jeena yeah I accept them too, so that is probably the problem
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tantek what is real-time comments?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/real-time_comments
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aaronpk I dread doing that after the fact
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tantek aaronpk please add more to ^^^ as no one else seems to have implemented perhaps due to lack of how to discoverability?
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aaronpk oh yeah I wrote a whole post on it
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/13/1/realtime-indieweb-comments
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tantek I know! that wiki page stub links to it!
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aaronpk should I copy the content to the wiki or something? that article is a pretty thorough guide
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aaronpk maybe nobody else cares enough
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aaronpk or wants to run a node app on their server
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tantek people totally care! it's a supercool feature and demo
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tantek I think it's a lack of awareness
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tantek and/or discoverability
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tantek 
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aaronpk maybe I need to make a realtime comments as a service node app so people don't have to run that part of it
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tantek setting up node is definitely a barrier
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aaronpk cause frankly getting a node app running on a server is non trivial
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tantek heh
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Jeena I knew about it but I never thought the users on my website would care mostly because I rarelly get replies
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tantek does appengine and/or heroku's free levels offer node support?
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aaronpk i believe so
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tantek also benwerd, perhaps post an indie event on werd.io for your talk? ;) (I mean, you knew that was coming)
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@sharmaprateek RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524626246131777536)
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KevinMarks_ heroku's free level supports node, yes
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KevinMarks_ not sure about appengine
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benwerd tantek: done and done
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tantek :D
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KevinMarks_ you can run node on google cloud
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KevinMarks_ appengine is java python php and go
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KevinMarks_ though ironically it was originally built to support JS, but blocked from launching because no-one would want to use js on the server
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KevinMarks_ you could run a node app on google cloud using docker maybe?
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tantek what is Phoenix?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Phoenix" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Phoenix
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tantek what is node?
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Loqi Node.js is a platform for running javascript applications and runs on all modern operating systems http://indiewebcamp.com/node
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tantek what is Google Cloud?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Cloud" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Google+Cloud
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tantek KevinMarks ^^^
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KevinMarks_ where's Rohit when you need him?
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@daevski RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524633410288222210)
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tantek actual question: what was in the "release" besides a blog post AKA a "press release"?
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aaronpk I somehow missed the giant "Get it Now" button at the top of the blog post
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tantek or is "press release" sufficient to meet the journalistic standard for "release" of something?
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aaronpk but there is source code available, although not terribly well documented
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tantek aaronpk - is it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8488974
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aaronpk that comment is referring to the license
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aaronpk no license found there
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tantek btw - well done for it being self-hosted git!
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tantek aaronpk - indeed, perhaps that's the question to ask?
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aaronpk ah the release is because of an event
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/bodil/status/524623059148636160
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@bodil So, @aral just announced they're building a free software Swift compiler at @indie. https://ind.ie/phoenix/ https://twitter.com/bodil/status/524623059148636160/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/524623059148636160)
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tantek if "Phoenix is an open source implementation", what open source license(s) is it available under?
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aaronpk my guess is the actual release was rushed due to the event deadline
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tantek I expect this will be clarified in <24h
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bret holy crap email lists are a time sink
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bret anyone care to edit https://gist.github.com/bcomnes/5711afd1e61eb1f3d1a3 ?
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tantek bret++ :)
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tantek bret - perhaps mention already much more interoperable implementation of micropub in its first year of development than atompub ever
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tantek that's a very important call out
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aaronpk bret++
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KartikPrabhu_1 hmmm can anyone just go an make a "free and open version" of some language?
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bret tantek: do we have a citation for that?
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bret or a link to compare against?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#IndieWeb_Examples and http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Clients
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aaronpk not sure about atompub tho
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bret thats what I mean
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bret ill just make it hearsay then https://gist.github.com/bcomnes/5711afd1e61eb1f3d1a3
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bret "It should be noted that there has been more iteroperable sucess between MP Clients and Endpoints within its first year than Atompub ever acheived as far as I am aware."
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aaronpk "number of interoperatble implementations"
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tantek bret - simple googling for "atompub implementation" reveals no support other than some old / half-baked libraries
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@dissolve333 #indieweb @t Just leftover W words on my fridge (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/index.php?route=blog/photo&year=2014&month=10&day=21&daycount=1) https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/524636299139899392/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/524636299139899392)
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tantek no evidence of interop
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aaronpk i would search for https://www.google.com/search?q=atompub+client
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bret hay now, gitpub is still pretty half baked
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bret ;)
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bret i get what you mean
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@aral RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524636479054970880)
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bret if anything it might troll up good research information from someone more familiar with atompub... winwin
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tantek bret - found one - interestingly: http://codex.wordpress.org/AtomPub "From WordPress 3.5 AtomPub is disabled by default,"
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bret "It should be noted that there has been more implementations of interoperable MP Clients and Endpoints within its first year than Atompub ever acheived as far as I am aware. "
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aaronpk oh wordpress is killing it in favor of their new json API i think
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bret jsonpub ;)
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tantek aaronpk the two are disconnected, they killed it in the past
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bret is that a thing?
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aaronpk interesting, "While comparatively rare, some client's or server's firewalls are configured to disallow PUT and DELETE operations."
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aaronpk another good reason to only use GET and POST in API design
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tantek so much for REST verbs :P
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@steve_e This is great, nice work! RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524637801384804352)
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aaronpk well this is interesting, why would adactio's blog think the author of my bookmark post is "bookmark"? https://adactio.com/journal/7698
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aaronpk (note that I did completely forget to include an author property or an h-card on my bookmark page)
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@taoeffect RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524638596729683968)
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@swiftLDN RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524638825617047552)
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KartikPrabhu__1 ha suddenly everyone wants Apple to be open!
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@TerminalPixel New #indieweb members learning @dundeemakespace https://twitter.com/TerminalPixel/status/524639526711754752/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/524639526711754752)
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tantek aaronpk - perhaps adactio is not implementing /authorship specifically rel=author support?
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tantek re: that twitter photo ^^^ oh dear - please be careful guy in the red shirt!
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tantek btw that tweet is from grant.codes - one of the participants in IndieWebCampUK 2014!
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@daferpi RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524640378532937728)
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grant @tantek yep carrying the knowledge northwards
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tantek welcome yakker and shiflett!
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shiflett Thanks, tantek. :-)
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shiflett Saw Jeremy's post earlier, which reminded me that I have work to do.
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tantek Jeremy (adactio) is an excellent writer and has a good way of distilling things
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shiflett Yep.
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tantek shiflett, remind me again, what's your personal domain?
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shiflett tantek: shiflett.org
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tantek nice
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shiflett Yeah, I kinda wish I had shiflett.com, but back in the 90s, .orgs were the hotness, and domains were $70. :-)
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tantek I do remember that
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parzzix Trying to get the guys at Bad Voltage to cover indieweb on their podcast. I gave a short general description, I'm sure people here could do better. http://community.badvoltage.org/t/suggested-topic-indieweb/8291?u=parzzix
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tantek shiflett - looks like you're almost set for signing into the wiki
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tantek just need to change your <a href="http://twitter.com/shiflett"> to <a href="http://twitter.com/shiflett" rel="me">
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tantek and then try signing into indiewebcamp.com!
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shiflett tantek: Cool. Is there a hidden way to add relme stuff, like <link rel="me" href="..." />?
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tantek yes that works too - however we prefer re-using existing visible links as they tend to be more reliable
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shiflett nods.
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tantek less code, DRY etc. :)
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shiflett Looks good so far. http://cl.ly/image/302N0B0Y1z26
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tantek nice! now add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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bret ind.ie conflating open and free terminology are going to cause stallman to flip a shit
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bret ;)
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tantek hey bret - I'm curious what you're "Working On" implementing (i.e. what indieweb features) and what "Itches" you're keeping track of - check https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Bret.io but didn't see any such sections ;)
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bret under Current IndieWeb Projects!
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tantek bret, those are projects, not features
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bret making gitpub work again :/
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bret i broke it, have not had time to fix
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tantek e.g. /IndieMark has a whole bunch of features. /Twitter#Features has a whole bunch of features. I'm curious which of those you're working on for gitpub and/or have personal itches to implement
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bret oh, I guess POSSE to twitter
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bret automatic
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tantek yeah! make a "Working On" section with a flat list of those
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tantek right - I did something similar with Falcon - I put my "Working On" and "Itches" there for that project in particular: /Falcon#Working_On and /Falcon#Itches
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tantek shiflett: nicely done!
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shiflett Thank you. :-)
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shiflett Gotta say, I'm loving the vibe of this movement/community already.
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tantek as you follow along in adactio's blog post, there's also a nice validator / suggester: indiewebify.me (where you can plug in your domain or permalinks and it checks it and provides suggestions)
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bret shiflett++
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tantek shiflett++ awesome! great to have you here!
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bret tantek: did you ever get to peek at the last revisions of http://indiewebcamp.com/File:Webmention_Vouch.png ?
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tfontaine Shiflett: I've been idling here for a couple weeks now. It's a great community!
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aaronpk wish that was live this weekend, the hand drawn one was impossible to read on the projector
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shiflett tantek: Oh, I do think I use a number of microformats on my site. I forgot that was your thing, too. Is that part of Indie Web?
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bret shiflett: heh i just wrote something about that https://gist.github.com/bcomnes/5711afd1e61eb1f3d1a3
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shiflett reads.
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tantek shiflett - yes - we've been leveraging /microformats2 in particular as a key /building-block
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shiflett Well, I didn't know there was a version 2, so my stuff might be outdated. :-)
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aaronpk bret I like your framing of mf2 as a JSON-based technology :)
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bret that was your framing actually, aaronpk
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bret "mf2 turns any webpage into a json document"
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aaronpk o that explains it ;)
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aaronpk well, nice expression of the idea
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bret or maybe it was shaners
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aaronpk you use good words
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bret "mf2 turns any webpage into whatever fashionable serialization format you want" might be a tad bit more accurate from a philosophical standpoint
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bret danke aaronpk
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tantek shiflett - v2 grandfathers through backcompat parsing the classic microformats that actually got good adoption by publishers and folks parsing them.
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shiflett tantek: Yeah, I just remember using little things in various places, like this: http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/a9057a6282e709443756df3b744cce33.txt
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tantek right - we've improve a bunch of things since then! making it easier to remember with uf2 and more accessibility friendly with the HTML5 <time> element
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bret or a simplification: MF2 allows machines to read HTML documents as easily as a human
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tantek s/improve/improved
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Loqi tantek meant to say: right - we've improved a bunch of things since then! making it easier to remember with uf2 and more accessibility friendly with the HTML5 <time> element
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Mark87 im not sure its quite "as easily"
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@jeromecoupe Thank you @adactio : https://adactio.com/journal/7698 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/524649137338580992)
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bret Mark87: what do you mean? It solves the problem of what information is what on a page for computers.
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@RajatMohanty RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524649557133512704)
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bret its *a* solution*
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tantek sad about Twitpic shutting down even public access - no archiving happening :(
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tantek also https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/453958676529696769
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@waxpancake Worth noting: Quora has no public API, no backup/export tools, blocks anonymous display of answers, and banned the Wayback Machine entirely. (twitter.com/_/status/453958676529696769)
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tantek what is Quora?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Quora" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Quora
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aaronpk omg that thread is amazing
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aaronpk even got a quora guy to respond
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aaronpk his reason for blocking archive.org is because they want users to be able to delete answers and not have archived copies stick around
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@iNavegar The web is your API: feeds and actions using HTML5 and webmentions http://werd.io/2014/the-web-is-your-api-feeds-and-actions-using-html5 (twitter.com/_/status/524650871444226048)
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bret ve vaunt user contrvol mein fuhrer!
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Mark87 bret++
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aaronpk bret: having just got back from Germany, that is not an appropriate joke
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bret aigh i can refrain. I listen to too much linux outlaws with fabian scherschel who does that impression pretty much every show
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@HalukSBalkan RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524651619376721920)
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reedstrm aaronpk: @sigh@ So Qura doesn't understand that there are no takebacks on the internet.
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reedstrm s/Qura/Quora/
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Loqi reedstrm meant to say: aaronpk: @sigh@ So Quora doesn't understand that there are no takebacks on the internet.
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gRegor` And basically the main defense is "we got a ton of money so we can last 10 years"
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davidpeach hello all
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gRegor` Hi, davidpeach.
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davidpeach Im new to indie web and am currently getting my site up to scratch with it
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davidpeach i love the idea of it
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reedstrm welcome davidpeach!
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davidpeach thanks!
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bret fromscratch++
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tantek what is Twitpic?
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Loqi Twitpic is a photo silo designed for sharing photos on Twitter http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitpic
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tfontaine Twitpic was* a photo silo :P
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tantek tfontaine: true! feel free to update /Twitpic ;)
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gRegor` Awesome, davidpeach! What is your website?
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tantek interesting that http://twitpic.com/135xa was the notable photo of the plane that landed in the Hudson
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davidpeach davidpeach.co.uk
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gRegor` Yeah, I watched @textfiles get pretty pissed off at Twitpic
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GWG tantek: Twitter has encouraged some great news...before it evolved into whatever it is now.
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tantek and they're already 404ing the "full" versions: http://twitpic.com/135xa/full
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aaronpk it was fascinating to talk with him about that in portland!
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gRegor` davidpeach: Cool. Looks like you're set with rel=me links on your Github/Twitter already. If they link back to your site, you can sign in to the wiki and add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek the tweet itself no longer shows the photo either! https://twitter.com/jkrums/status/1121915133 (or maybe never did - note the link is not auto-linked - 2009 may predate any image embedding)
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@jkrums http://twitpic.com/135xa - There's a plane in the Hudson. I'm on the ferry going to pick up the people. Crazy. (twitter.com/_/status/1121915133)
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kylewm davidpeach: wow it looks like youv'e already done a lot, mf2 markup looks great, with reply contexts even!
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kylewm davidpeach++
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tfontaine All these people coming in with work already done. And here I am with nothing but a rel=me link.
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davidpeach thanks a lot guys. Last couple of weeks ive been adding pieces into site. Just following the guide on indiewebcamp.
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tfontaine davidpeach++
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gRegor` Nice layout, too davidpeach
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tantek and none of the articles I found about plane landing in the Hudson bothered to locally copy the photo…. EXCEPT....
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reedstrm davidpeach++
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gRegor` davidpeach: Noticed your OpenCart plugin. ben_thatmustbeme is actually building his site out based on opencart: http://indiewebcamp.com/Postly
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gRegor` tfontaine++ for baby steps. :)
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tantek of all companies…. YAHOO:
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tantek http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-10-greatest-tweets-of-all-time-203151120.html
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tantek http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/finance/2013-11-06/8c8e4125-c153-4393-9de8-a295f74c25f7_Croppedplane.jpg
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gRegor` Did they copy it to Flickr? :)
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tantek everyone else was depending on hotlinking
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gRegor` Surprising. Like, major news sites?
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aaronpk I can't believe that many sites hotlinked
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tantek yup. like Mashable. People magazine. etc.
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gRegor` Crazy
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gRegor` What is hotlinking?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hotlinking" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=hotlinking
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tantek only Yahoo (as far as I could find) copied the image locally. likely "for performance reasons" ;)
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tantek I wonder how much bandwidth that one photo was costing Twitpic
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reedstrm tineye is your friend: uncropped copy of original http://www.flickr.com/photos/25704718@N08/3200147304
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bear google opensources material design icons - https://github.com/google/material-design-icons/releases/tag/1.0.0
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davidpeach Thanks for kind words, Yer I work with opencart in job so any plugins i have to make Ive started adding them to my site
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davidpeach my next big task is getting all old tweets into site. another day me thinks
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gRegor` How long have you been posting notes on your site, davidpeach?
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davidpeach Not long with regards to indieweb. I already had a notes area which was just sharing stuff I found or liked
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davidpeach is it a good idea to go back through them old notes and mark them up with metadata?
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gRegor` Cool, cool. Another regular here, GWG, is also using WordPress. And snarfed, and others whose names are escaping me.
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gRegor` davidpeach: You mean mark up with microformats2 or?
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snarfed yup. wordpress is the (quiet) majority. pfefferle, jihaisse, acegiak, etc
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davidpeach yer link the h entry markup. I am still a noob so you'll have to excuse me . hehe
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GWG snarfed: Are we that quiet?
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snarfed davidpeach: re importing tweets, feel free to try http://freedom.io/ . it's poorly maintained, but may work
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aaronpk twitter offers a full export now
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snarfed GWG: heh, definitely not! but most wp indieweb users are. we're the exception
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gRegor` No worries about experience level, davidpeach. Pretty friendly and helpful bunch here
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davidpeach I installed a load of plugins in wordpress that were linked from the indieweb plugin v2. Wasn't sure what was doing what so disabled a few for now. Was jumping in too fast i think.
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davidpeach great thanks snarfed
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reedstrm !tell tantek tineye found a few copie, uncropped e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/8188932@N02/3199405401
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm parzzix: as much as I would probably enjoy hearing the Bad Voltage guys talk indieweb, the prospect kind of terrifies me :)
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GWG davidpeach: If you installed mine, sorry
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kylewm !tell parzzix as much as I would probably enjoy hearing the Bad Voltage guys talk indieweb, the prospect kind of terrifies me :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@wroddy RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524659565473071105)
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gRegor` YAPL
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kylewm please no mor things called YA--
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aaronpk I think the first time I heard "YA*" was Yet Another Asteroids Clone
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gRegor` YAYA, kylewm?
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aaronpk this one! http://www.download-central.ws/Win16/Games/Y/Y.A.A.C./screenshot.png
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aaronpk oh man I kinda miss that game
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davidpeach im off guys. see you tomorrow!
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davidpeach ill be staying on after all. got an irc app.
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aaronpk thumbsup
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Loqi [mention] http://mediablends.withknown.com/2014/does-ageingbetter-need-a-new-online-community---andor-better linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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gRegor` There's a web version of the IRC logs that works pretty great in a browser, too. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta
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davidpeach wordpress users. can you recommend a nice way of pulling in tweet replys and favourites to posts?
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snarfed davidpeach: http://brid.gy/
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snarfed (you'll also need https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ , or the individual plugins it bundles, but sounds like you already have that)
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davidpeach awesome thanks.
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ShaneHudson Absolutely use brid.gy It Just Works^tm
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snarfed thanks ShaneHudson!
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davidpeach yer have got them. disabled some cuz didnt know what they were doing. ill activate them all again and get working
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GWG snarfed: I think pfefferle is reconsidering the bundle because it isn't getting updated often enough.
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snarfed davidpeach: indieweb bundles webmention and semantic linkbacks, so just activate the first or the latter two, not all three
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GWG davidpeach: What ones do you have? I can advise you.
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davidpeach thanks. ill just get admin up.
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snarfed GWG: yup i've been on those conversations. e.g https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb/issues/3
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snarfed the indieweb plugin in the wp dir is from sep 24 2014, which is fine
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GWG davidpeach: Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks are essential.
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GWG davidpeach: Bridgy is a service that converts things into webmentions. Such as Facebook likes
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davidpeach okay, ive got jetpack inplace. only use that for auto posting new posts to twitter google plus and facebook.
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davidpeach also indieweb custom taxonomy
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GWG davidpeach: What's the version number on the Taxonomy plugin?
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davidpeach 0.06
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GWG davidpeach: Have you done any responses yet?
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davidpeach http://davidpeach.co.uk/reply-1274/
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GWG davidpeach: You are coding your own reply contexts?
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davidpeach yes ive posted the tweet i replied to into a metabox labelled citation
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tantek_____ davidpeach do you mark it up as an h-cite?
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Loqi tantek_____: reedstrm left you a message 45 minutes ago: tineye found a few copie, uncropped e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/8188932@N02/3199405401
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tantek_____ And re earlier - how are you auto posting to g+? That's supposed to be impossible (no API for it)
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tantek_____ reedstrm++ thanks for the better/full version!
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reedstrm tantek: np
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tantek_____ snarfed, it wouldn't surprise me, however do you think WP users are an actual majority in this community? Or simple the most numerous of any one project/CMS?
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tantek_____ Aka most popular - which is different from "majority"
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davidpeach tanek____ yes its got h-cite. google plus is handled by jetpack.
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tantek_____ How the heck is jet pack auto posting to g+?!?
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snarfed tantek_: counting domains that bridgy's successfully sent a wm to, WP is the majority by a ways
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tantek_____ What is jetpack?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "jetpack" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=jetpack
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snarfed tantek__: proprietary biz dev relnship
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snarfed http://indiewebcamp.com/Google%2B#POSSE
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aaronpk tantek_____: do I need to restart the web chat to free up your other nicks?
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tantek_____ aaronpk yeah. I just keeping adding an underscore each day.
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aaronpk heh
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snarfed having said that, if you narrow to the top active community members, WP may not be the majority
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snarfed just depends on what you want to count
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tantek_____ That's great about Bridgy getting particularly good adoption among WP users!
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tantek_____ I suppose I don't conflate users and community. So I wouldn't look at any one service's users as the community, however Bridgy is quite exceptional in this way in the functionality it enables.
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snarfed i expect it tracks the community as a whole, ie it's not slanted toward WP users specifically, but that's just an educated guess
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snarfed ah, ok. semantics then, i'll back away :P
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tantek_____ I like looking at the rough number of Indiewebcamp participants itself as some determiner of "community". Eg whether having attended in person, or edited the wiki, or perhaps weakest, participating here in irc.
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aaronpk speaking of which, 136 in IRC right now!
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aaronpk although a few of those are leftover tanteks
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tantek_____ I think Bridgy is *particularly* useful to Wordpress users because of the friendly/easy to setup plugins
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davidpeach think ill be looking at using brid.gy tomorrow.
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tantek_____ The number of steps to make Bridgy "useful" is fewer/simpler for Wordpress users than likely anyother project, except maybe Known. Though I wonder how many withknown.com signups Bridgy is seeing.
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snarfed tantek___: interesting! i don't quite follow though. you mean bridgy listen, not publish, right?
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aaronpk I suppose the correct way to handle the web chat is for the server to request pings from the browser just like real IRC does
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snarfed are you including the setup work to accept webmentions?
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GWG tantek______: The Indieweb Taxonomy plugin automatically does an h-cite. Although I do have to rewrite that
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aaronpk snarfed: oh btw this weekend I set up my own streaming twitter search for my @-replies, and send myself webmentions with bridgy URLs when they come in!
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tantek______ Yes Bridgy listen. It really is a testament to all the WP folks here.
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aaronpk it's been working great so far :) realtime twitter webmentions ftw!
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snarfed aaronpk: awesome! so that you get them faster?
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aaronpk yep!
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tantek______ And yes I'm including the setup work to accept webmentions as part of making it "useful". That setup is easier in WP thanks to the plugins.
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aaronpk of course bridgy finds the mention a few minutes later so I get a duplicate webmention but no harm done
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snarfed tantek______: ah ok. agreed then
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snarfed that credit mostly goes to the plugin developers then!
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snarfed pfefferle++
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tantek______ To be clear, all of what I'm saying is praise for WP, the plugins people have written, and the way the WP community (or intersection with this one) operates in such a rapidly friendly productive way. Definitely an inspiration to the rest of us. :)
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davidpeach goodnight people.
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Loqi night
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Mark87 good night
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Mark87 goodnight
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Mark87 good morning
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Mark87 Loqi!
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk :)
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snarfed tantek______: definitely understood. thanks!
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GWG snarfed: Again with the no post links found. Grrr
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snarfed GWG: sorry, remind me?
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GWG I have rel-syndication links, but I'm not putting the post links in the POSSEd copy. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
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snarfed ah, https://www.facebook.com/100002356503167/posts/728464010575476
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snarfed looking
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snarfed GWG: ugh. i wonder if i broke it by (finally) fixing https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/189 . debugging; may take a bit
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GWG snarfed: Still trying to make things seamless on my end.
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davidpeach hello again
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GWG Hi, davidpeach
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GWG davidpeach: I asked about the citation box because it looks different
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davidpeach excited! just went on to bridgy, authorised it, and now have got WP comments of favourites and reply from twitter!
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GWG davidpeach: Great!
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davidpeach GWG I had to manually pulled out the post meta for each of the custom meta boxes on my single.php page - Is there a better way of doing this then? Have I done a silly thing?
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GWG davidpeach: No. There are 3 ways of doing it with the IWT plugin. And that aspect of it is changing. That is why there was a major change in 0.1
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GWG davidpeach: 1. Autoembed into the_content. It's a settings option
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GWG davidpeach: 2. Add a custom filter to your theme.
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GWG davidpeach: Call the response_display function in your theme
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GWG Well, 4... the one you did. Code it yourself
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davidpeach So do i need to upgrade to 0.1?
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GWG davidpeach: I developed the plugin. In 0.10 I changed the post meta from 3 variables to a single array. This is because I want to add more fields and then experiment with an option to parse another page and import the context automatically into the citation/content box.
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GWG So, anyone who goes to 0.10 will have to select the upgrade option to move the data into an array
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GWG davidpeach: If you have any suggestions for development, I'll be working on it more when I get back. I'm away now
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GWG davidpeach: On the list includes refining the default appearance, adding some additional choices.
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snarfed hey GWG, the FB syndication link in that post, i assume it was added immediately after the post was published? ie within seconds or 1m or so?
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GWG snarfed: Within 30 seconds, yes
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snarfed thx
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davidpeach ok cool. Ive just downloaded latest from github to upgrade mine
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GWG snarfed: I posted, refreshed, found the link, and added it
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GWG davidpeach: Contributors always appreciated.
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davidpeach Yep ill definitely be having a look
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GWG davidpeach: Also, I'm not sure if you noticed this aspect of it
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GWG http://davidpeach.co.uk/kind/reply/
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davidpeach Funnily enough i noticed that in a post the other day. yer thanks great.
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GWG It was one of the ones I really wanted. Archive generation.
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snarfed hey kylewm, any interest in looking at a missing PPD with me?
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davidpeach GWG: this plugin is awesome. updated it and now it 'just works'
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snarfed (not urgent)
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snarfed https://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/10/20/slips/ , https://www.brid.gy/facebook/100002356503167
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snarfed https://console.developers.google.com/project/brid-gy/logs?fromac=true&filters=regex:https:%2F%2Fdavid.shanske.com%2Fnotes%2F2014%2F10%2F20%2Fslips%2F
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KevinMarks Re WordPress, are known users also a silent majority?
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gRegor` Withknown users are probably an unknowing majority. :)
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aaronpk whoever-felt-it-was-necessary-to-spell-nobacktick-instead-of-just-leaving-it-off++
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snarfed1 in terms of bridgy signups trend, WP and known have been about even over the past month or two
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snarfed1 before that, it was mostly WP
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@enginebuzz The web is your API: feeds and actions using HTML5 and webmentions http://werd.io/2014/the-web-is-your-api-feeds-and-actions-using-html5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/524689970900897792)
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@robertgcarr Indieweb: personal data pwned https://adactio.com/journal/7698 (twitter.com/_/status/524691493102288896)
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snarfed so GWG, it looks like the FB syndication post was originally https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=728464017242142&id=100002356503167 (as of 15:16:02 PST), then changed to https://www.facebook.com/100002356503167/posts/728464010575476 sometime later?
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snarfed that's fine if so, just checking
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@DvidGarcia Man-In-The-Middle attacks by the Chinese Gov't on its citizens. http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Chinese-Officials-Kick-In-Apple-MS-Cloud-Doors-81229.html #NetNeutrality #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/524693048580915200)
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Loqi [mention] https://brennannovak.com/notes/412 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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snarfed ok kylewm GWG, i think changing the syndication link (mentioned above) actually did trip it up. once bridgy has found a valid syndication link for a post to a given silo, it doesn't notice if that link changes, which it did here. (kylewm, mind confirming? that's based on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/tree/master/original_post_discovery.py#L324 )
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@dtbell99 RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/ (twitter.com/_/status/524697330663297024)
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tantek hmm - does every brennannovak post webmention indiewebcamp home page because it's in his footer?
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tantek https://brennannovak.com/notes/412
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aaronpk yes I believe so
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snarfed GWG: FB treats posts and photos confusingly. there are (at least) two separate ids for them, and the post id sometimes coalesces multiple photos posted within a given time window. details in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/189
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aaronpk i've been wondering when we will get to the point of needing to check the source URL for a link inside an h-entry rather than just on the page somewhere
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snarfed in this case, your first syndication link was https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=728464017242142&id=100002356503167 , the undesirable one that coalesces. your second one was https://www.facebook.com/100002356503167/posts/728464010575476 , the desirable one. this will work if you use the second one from the beginning, but we can also take a feature request to handle changed syndication links
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snarfed filed: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/303
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snarfed GWG: thanks for the report!
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tantek aaronpk - we're already at that point. a link "just on the page" is still a valid webmention
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tantek inside an h-entry is only required for the higher level semantics like comment, like, repost, etc.
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aaronpk i meant as a check for whether to send a notification to IRC or to my phone
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tantek that's a good idea
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aaronpk I mean I know *I* certainly don't want a push notification on my phone every time someone makes a new post that links to my site in their footer
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tantek makes total sense
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tantek I just saw a favorite show up in real-time on a tweet permalink
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tantek this one: https://twitter.com/t/status/524701374232412161
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tantek what is real-world comments?
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@t 5pm TODAY @HTML5DevConf Rm N120 The future of open APIs feeds actions by @benwerd #HTML5DevConf http://werd.io/2014/the-web-is-your-api-feeds-and-actions-using-html5 (ttk.me t4Yj1) (twitter.com/_/status/524701374232412161)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "real-world comments" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=real-world+comments
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tantek wat
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tantek oops
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tantek what is real-time comments?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/real-time_comments
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tantek what is real-time interactions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "real-time interactions" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=real-time+interactions
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fiatjaf bigbluehat: what do you think about microanalytics?
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fiatjaf bigbluehat: what do you think about microanalytics?
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tantek on it
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tantek aaronpk do you show real-time likes and reshares too? do you update the facepiles in realtime?
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tantek s/reshares/reposts
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk do you show real-time likes and reposts too? do you update the facepiles in realtime?
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kylewm snarfed: GWG: that sounds right then -- PPD won't go back and re-check posts it thinks it's already found
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kylewm so re-fetch won't find "updates"
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tantek.com created /real-time_interactions (+1520) "stub with indieweb example, silo examples" (view diff)
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snarfed kylewm: thanks
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@swiftLDN Aral Balkan calls Greg Casamento about #Phoenix, live at #Swift London @aral @bheron @indie | #swiftlang #indieweb https://twitter.com/swiftLDN/status/524711463882350592/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/524711463882350592)
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