#indiewebcamp 2014-10-22

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tantek
hmm - Twitter real-time interaction display is flakey - showed on favorite, then nothing more
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tantek
reloaded, saw +1 retweet and +5 favorites
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tantek
greetings - anyone here at HTML5DevConf?
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tantek.com
edited /real-time_interactions (+179) "note unreliability of Twitter's implementation"
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tantek.com
edited /real-time_comments (+1023) "expand stub, dfn, indieweb examples, silo examples"
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tantek
and looks like we're back from the netsplit
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@techlifeweb
Still can't get my @withknown install to talk to Facebook. #indieweb http://known.techlifeweb.com/
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tantek
!tell adactio,snarfed perhaps the answer to the PWC/PSL dilemma/confusion is simple. Always post more content on the original on your own site, always link to the original since there is always more content there.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@widianto
RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/
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kylewm
tantek++ that made me :)
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Loqi
tantek has 105 karma
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tantek
thanks kylewm. I'm actually half serious.
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kylewm
that's why it made me happy! reminds me a little of https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/335177497287217152
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@BarnabyWalters
@t @wavis my wish list is “no more need for POSSE” ;) #indieweb (https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1424/)
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tantek
"If you're reading me on Twitter, you're only getting half the message." #indieweb
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tantek
"Tired of shallow tweets? Host your own thoughtful notes." #indieweb
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ShaneHudson
Barnaby's reply context confused me then, thought the note was from you tantek because your name was first and has a box around it
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tantek
ShaneHudson: indeed!
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mko
tantek++
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Loqi
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kylewm
aaronpk and ben_thatmustbeme have set a high bar for displaying reply contexts in an obvious way
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kylewm
where it's clear who is saying what
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tantek.com
edited /multiple-reply (+175) "/* Ben Werdmuller */ add another multi-reply with a slightly different variant"
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tantek
kylewm indeed
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tantek
kylewm - it strikes me that "middling" http://werd.io/view/51f01e17bed7de2b1d060400 is another way of expressing this - always post more content on your own site.
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snarfed
tantek: heh, funny idea. i like the spirit! …i'm not sure it works in practice though. plenty of note posts are a single, small, atomic idea that shouldn't be either abbreviated or bloated
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 33 minutes ago: perhaps the answer to the PWC/PSL dilemma/confusion is simple. Always post more content on the original on your own site, always link to the original since there is always more content there.
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snarfed
pure photo posts (ie without caption) even more so
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tantek
snarfed - is that not an example of the aforementioned shallow tweet? as the comment from Rajesh illustrates?
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snarfed
tantek: heh. maybe. and yes, maybe we all should promote some of our notes to articles…but not all, right?
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snarfed
again, pure photo posts would be another example
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tantek
snarfed - is it even worth POSSEing a pure photo post to Twitter?
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snarfed
it's unusual, sure. i think i have before though. regardless, we each get to choose for ourselves, right?
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tantek
of course!
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tantek
hence thinking this out loud
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snarfed
we'd definitely posse pure photo posts to instagram, right?
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@davidmead
So @adactio just posted a fantastic round up of #indieweb building blocks - https://t.co/wpGoWDAihu. "Go and do likewise"
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snarfed
or at least, with short captions
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tantek
snarfed - I suppose it's a non-issue until we *can* POSSE to IG
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snarfed
oh no, it's not about posseing specifically
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snarfed
forgot the acronym, but ownyourgram is the same thing
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snarfed
we probably wouldn't expect people to write paragraphs about each instagram picture they post
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tantek.com
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KevinMarks
Ideally twitter would make cards from our photo posts so we don't have to upload to them too
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@kevinmarks
“a common shared purpose, with many… different, most likely opposing strategies to achieve that purpose.” http://nilofermerchant.com/2014/10/18/how-to-invent-the-future/ #indieweb
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tantek
snarfed - ownyourgram is PESOS from IG->yoursite
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tantek
snarfed, the difference is that on Flickr (rather than IG, for the purpose of practical example), it is reasonable to leave comment like: Originally posted at: (permalink)
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tantek
or put it as part of the "description" on the photo
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tantek
similar to the experience on FB POSSE copies
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snarfed
tantek: ok. so the proposal to always post more content on your own site is twitter-specific?
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snarfed
it wouldn't work for me personally - i definitely post tweet-length notes and photos with tweet-length captions that i wouldn't want to invent filler for - but that's just me. it could work for others!
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snarfed
any known users online?
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kylewm
I... have used Known, can I help?
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snarfed
in known, you indie reply/like/rsvp to the current page with a…bookmarklet? browser extension?
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snarfed
i'm writing a post and wondering if there's a canonical link to docs for it
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kylewm
lemme see what it's called
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kylewm
there's a Firefox Service
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kylewm
and a more general Bookmarklet
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snarfed
you find them in an admin area of your known?
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snarfed
i'm looking for a public link to them, or similar, but maybe there isn't one
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snarfed
maybe i'll just skip the link
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kylewm
hmm, I know I have seen a posta bout it on ben's site
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kylewm
you enable it under Site configuration > Site Features, and then the extension itself is under Settings > Firefox
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snarfed
thanks
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kylewm
Does anybody have an example of a reply context where someone is replying to an article?
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kylewm
theeeere you go, much more in line with how it looks now
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kylewm
(looking for styling help, showing the context of an article without reproducing the whole thing)
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snarfed
kylewm: totally! GWG was thinking about that too. afaik no one yet has a clear alg for auto extracting snippets for reply context
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snarfed
fwiw, it's a very broad problem, there's been a ton more work on it outside indieweb
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snarfed
one hack could be to reply to a fragmention, and then extract the n sentences starting with that one, or similar
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kylewm
ha, that's an interesting idea
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snarfed
heh yeah
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snarfed
if you figure out something good, you'd be the first!
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snarfed
(here at least)
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kylewm
I think barnaby does a nice job
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snarfed
oh yeah?
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kylewm
here's a reply to a very long note https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4YfB3y/
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snarfed
yeah that's decent
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snarfed
btw, any more thoughts on updating syndication links?
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kylewm
just removing that check would probably work ok
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snarfed
i guess we can write a test and try it :P
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kylewm
looking...
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snarfed
sorry, didn't mean to nerd snipe you. that's a good lead, i'm happy to write the test and see
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kylewm
ok no actually we'd want to add some logic to skip re-discovered relationships that already exist
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kylewm
because right now it's assuming it's only visiting posts that have never had a syndication url before
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kylewm
haha that's ok :)
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snarfed
so kylewm, i have yet another snipe to push on top of your stack :P
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snarfed
not at all urgent…but when you get a chance, could you try using the known reply bookmarklet and see what the path and query params are for the in-reply-to URL and title?
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snarfed
kylewm: ah perfect, thanks!
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kylewm
sure! heading to bed shortly. looking forward to seeing this mysterious blog post
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kylewm
g'night!
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snarfed
heh thanks. night!
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snarfed
bear: just saw that you're another of brett slatkin's draft book reviewers. small world!
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@EffectivePython
The second draft is done! Thanks to @brettsky, @tavisrudd, and @bear for their technical guidance. Now: one last polish for the final draft.
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kylewm
i am pre-ordering the heck out of that
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cweiske
I finally got per-paragraph linking working on my blog; http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webactions.htm#iframe-li2
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cweiske
s/linking/anchors/
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Loqi
cweiske meant to say: I finally got per-paragraph anchors working on my blog; http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webactions.htm#iframe-li2
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cweiske
id generation code at http://p.cweiske.de/144
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tantek
cweiske - excellent!
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tantek
and snarfed - great post on streamlining interactions on Android - that's quite a slick way of doing it!
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GWG
Good morning
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tantek
Good night
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Loqi
ciao
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tantek
buonanotte!
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GWG
tantek, heading off or just playing with Loqi?
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@msdq
RT @om: Congrats @aral on release of Phoenix, a competitor to Apple's Swift! #indieweb https://ind.ie/phoenix/
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@border_none
.@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https://adactio.com/journal/7698
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@jkphl
RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:…
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@faulancr
RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:…
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor
calumryan
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@javascriptd
RT @adactio: @susanjrobertson You can, but webmention gets tricky—right now JavaScript is the only way. https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll https://t.…
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@optimumtech1
RT @adactio: @susanjrobertson You can, but webmention gets tricky—right now JavaScript is the only way. https://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll https://t.…
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@loicmathaud
RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:…
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@voxpelli
@susanjrobertson I use Jekyll and created https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ to enable WebMentions on it, feel free to try it /cc @adactio
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cweiske.de
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cweiske.de
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cweiske.de
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@dudleystorey
I was IndieWeb before indieweb was cool. But I still need to integrate @adactio's excellent suggestions here: https://adactio.com/journal/7698
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@the_Zieger
RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:…
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tommorris
Just a bit of a design change on https://tommorris.org/ :)
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csarven
tommorris I dig the colours + layout, but the text size is too small for my mid 30s eyes ;P
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tommorris
yep, may plonk that up a bit shortly.
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tommorris
the main thing is that there was some footer text that was confusing to people so I wanted to change it, and I figured I should deploy the other stuff I had queued up.
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@hpk42
RT @border_none: .@adactio's comprehensive summary of his & @aaronpk's #bono14 creator unit — must read for all #indieweb aspirants! https:…
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@froginthevalley
Indie web building blocks: "small pieces loosely stacked". great write-up of current #indieweb options. https://adactio.com/journal/7698
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@HalukSBalkan
RT @SwiftLDN: Aral Balkan calls Greg Casamento about #Phoenix, live at #Swift London @aral @bheron @indie | #swiftlang #indieweb http://t.…
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@adrianshort
RSS feeds + open source RSS readers: aggregate your own content without worrying about someone's stupid business plan. #indieweb
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gRegor`
Morning, indiewebcamp
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cuibonobo
good morning gRegor`
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gRegor`
Hey, cuibonobo. Haven't seen you around in a while. How's your project going?
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cuibonobo
it's going very well! though I took a break from it for a little while because Eve, the RESTful framework i'm using as a base, had a few bugs i needed to fix
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hmans
cuibonobo, tell me more about Eve.
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cuibonobo
hmans: it's a RESTful framework that uses Flask to build the application itself and MongoDB as storage (though the storage is extensible and people have got it working with SQL dbs)
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hmans
cuibonobo, remind me... Flask was Python, right?
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cuibonobo
mhm. a Python mini-framework for web apps
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hmans
cuibonobo, I'm mostly a Ruby person, but used to do a bit of Python way back, currently looking into Elixir and Lua
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cuibonobo
i wouldn't be programming at all if it weren't for Python. UX is important, even for programming languages :D
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hmans
Python is great.
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ben_thatmustbeme
avoids python v ruby
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hmans
I love all programming languages.
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hmans
Which is a lie.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i was going to say "lolcode?"
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ben_thatmustbeme
anyway, what are you all working on?
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hmans
Still #pants. Always #pants.
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hmans
I posted a big old 4-month retrospective yesterday, going into some technical detail. http://hmans.io/zgb163
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reedstrm
hehe: watched a presentation showing how easy it was to add any given language to PostgreSQL as a PL (procedural language). He chose lolcode as his example. (there, let's cross the streams - DBs _and_ language! :-) )
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cuibonobo
hmans: just read your post. very interesting! there were a few things that we ended up doing similarly, which gives me some peace of mind: open-source from the start, choosing a framework you're very familiar with, and server-side HTML rendering
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cuibonobo
i ended up using a document database though, mostly because i didn't know how my schema would end up
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hmans
cuibonobo, what is your project, anyway?
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cuibonobo
hmans: an Evernote replacement that allows for faceted search of posts and per-post permissions. i've got it up here: https://github.com/jenmontes/piss
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hmans
piss \o/
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Mark87
haha great name
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hmans
piss & pants, what's wrong with us.
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Mark87
although your reasoning behind it is great
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reedstrm
well, yeah, not really. Fun at first, but ... limits the possibility to really take off. I certainly can't suggest it as a replacement for my evernote using colleagues at work ... (sorry to be the old man)
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cuibonobo
reedstrm: exactly! i don't *want* you to recommend it. it's not ready for anyone to install and it's still missing a bunch of features. right now it only works for me, which is what i was going for. if for any reason i want to open it up to more people in the future, i'd likely rebrand
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cweiske
cuibonobo, related to your project: grauphel, a tomboy note sync server. http://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php?action=content&content=166654
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cweiske
it's my evernote replacement I can use today, because there are clients for linux, windows, osx, android and maemo
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gRegor`
Accent one of the letters in PISS and then it's fancy
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reedstrm
o.k. that's actaully pretty wel lthought out, Rebranding's a pain, though :-)
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reedstrm
gRegor`: or deathmetal
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gRegor`
Haha
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cuibonobo
reedstrm: haha, it *is* a pain to rebrand, but the smaller i keep the existing user-base, the easier it will be :D
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cuibonobo
cweiske: this looks like a very cool project. does it need owncloud to work, or can it stand alone?
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cweiske
it needs owncloud, since I made it an owncloud app
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cweiske
but there is a standalone server called rainy
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reedstrm
agreed - I had the experience of making up a cool project name once, when testing someone's plugin-manager site, w/ the understanding that the db would be cleared when it went live. The author liked my name and description so much he left it live. Which lead to people contacting me about how that project was going.
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reedstrm
Which I'd never written code for. Even had an offer to give a talk!
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tgbrun
ben_thatmustbeme: hey
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ben_thatmustbeme
has anyone else implemented a contact entry page? I'm going to be testing some ideas i have for pulling them in to a central page
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cuibonobo
cweiske: hmm. unfortunately i can't get the tomboy app to run on mavericks.
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ben_thatmustbeme
just want as many examples as possible
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aaronpk
contact entry?
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@EThompson_22
We will rock this ACT benchmark! PLAN Prep! #griffinpride #actprep #futureboss #ownyourdata @rockECHSprin @RCS_NC https://twitter.com/EThompson_22/status/524947036719022080/photo/1
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kylewm
mine's not very exciting, ben_thatmustbeme https://kylewm.com/new_contact
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm, its a good start though
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ben_thatmustbeme
what are you getting "Nicks" from? just twitter/facebook username?
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk, like ben.thatmustbe.me/contact
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm going to be making my own personal contact list that is available once I sign in. rather than managing it all via my homescreen icons, I'm going to try an make it look and feel like that, but in a web-page, so that it unifies design for example
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ben_thatmustbeme
don't have it as an h-card? *gasp*
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, thats okay, i want a variety, so i can code for worst case scenarios.
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Loqi
gives ben_thatmustbeme a variety
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ben_thatmustbeme
possibly just create some recommended markup to make things simpler
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aaronpk
yeah I need to update mine
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aaronpk
I also have a bunch of links on my home page
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ben_thatmustbeme
o_O thanks loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have mine worked out to whitelisted people who login get the full set of contacts
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/contacts/contact info
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i have mine worked out to whitelisted people who login get the full set of contact info
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aaronpk
so fancy
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aaronpk
i should do that soon
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Loqi
agreed.
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ben_thatmustbeme
is tempted to just pull /contact and a few others from everyone in irc-people and see who has it there
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aaronpk
fancy new permalinks on my site! http://aaronparecki.com/2014/10
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Mark87
oooh!
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cuibonobo
i'm seeing a few broken image links though
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aaronpk
yeah I think I forgot the plane icon
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aaronpk
oh right cause I was on the plane when I did this and did not have acces sto the nounproject.com :)
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ShaneHudson
aaronpk: Hah that looks good :)
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aaronpk
thanks!
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kylewm
reminds me a little of the edit history at the bottom of fedwiki pages\
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aaronpk
ok added plane icon!
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joskar
ben_thatmustbeme: I'm not sure what you mean by 'implemented a contact entry page', but I have my email and skype info on my front page. Does that count?
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, i'm going to parse those too if you don't have a page that has any more info
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ben_thatmustbeme
joskar, i have a page that lists my phone number, email address, etc but only after someone logs in
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joskar
ben_thatmustbeme: So you want to test pages that require logging in?
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ben_thatmustbeme
no, just pages in general
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ben_thatmustbeme
the login bit will come later
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have a good list going now though
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joskar
oh, ok
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ben_thatmustbeme
but you make a good point about them not having a contact page, just using their homepage
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joskar
I haven't found the need yet to have a separate contact page, so I guess I can't help with that :)
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: 28 people have a /contact, really?? i think that's more than h-feed
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm, doesn't mean they are all marked up in any way shape or form
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ben_thatmustbeme
only 13 of those use h-card
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually 29/14 as i didn't count myself
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ben_thatmustbeme
had one return a gzip, which was slighly annoying
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aaronpk
mko: related to personal metrics, this might interest you :) http://aaronparecki.com/2014/10
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mko
I just saw it (was reading the logs) and was about to comment to you. lol
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mko
aaronpk++ Love it.
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Loqi
aaronpk has 591 karma
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aaronpk
I actually really like being able to see at a glance what city(ies) I was in each day in the calendar view!
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kylewm
I like being able to see how many martinis you had before smart car
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mko
lol
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aaronpk
I was wondering how long it'd take before someone picked up on that
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aaronpk
now the missing piece is my foursquare checkins, then it'll be a pretty complete picture
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aaronpk
still don't have a solution i'm happy with for storing venues on my site. I think I'm just going to be doing incrementing numbers as files in my "venues" folder
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aaronpk
how are others doing that?
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aaronpk
interesting, kylewm it looks like you don't actually associate checkins with a venue?
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aaronpk
same with benwerd
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marginalventures
aaronpk : how do you map yourself?
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aaronpk
marginalventures: I have a GPS tracker app running 24/7 on my phone, sending data to my server
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aaronpk
any time I make a post on my site, it grabs the location from the server and reverse geocodes it to find the city name
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aaronpk
that's why all my posts have geo data, even if they were created from an app that doesn't have support for that
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marginalventures
awesome. which app? if you don't mind me asking
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marginalventures
woah
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marginalventures
thanks
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aaronpk
it's a really simple app
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aaronpk
and quite ugly
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Guest44641
What is venue?
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Loqi
A venue is a higher level abstraction of a location or address/geo that typically has a name, and is used for checkins http://indiewebcamp.com/venue
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marginalventures
did you write it yourself because no others can post to your server?
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aaronpk
yeah, and because I am very particular about collecting that data
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gRegor`
Ah, that feels better.
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aaronpk
and I wanted to also include the walking/running/driving motion data that the iPhone 5S provides
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aaronpk
i gotta finish my updated blog post about how I'm storing all this data
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gRegor`
could change my nick to gRegor44641 to get karma to work
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rascul
don't do it
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gRegor`
But then people would think I'm from Louisville, OH
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tantek
what is 44641?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "44641" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=44641
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bear
!tell snarfed yes, i've been enjoying the book tech review for his book
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor`
refuses to add postal codes to the wiki
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aaronpk
not a lot of people publishing venues
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aaronpk
is barnaby really the only one?
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gRegor`
I think mko has them?
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mko
I'm publishing them.
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aaronpk
mko: oh nice, that's what I wanted to do
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@xoxco
@jamesaddison Very doable. Another thought is to use something like Micropub http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
(twitter.com/_/status/524967747328180225)
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mko
And I have a "non-venue" option as well: https://mowens.com/entries/at/the-internet
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aaronpk
mko: wow you have both "likes" and "favorites"?!
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mko
Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how to duplicate any Twitter faves and Facebook likes that I make, so I needed them to exist.
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aaronpk
what is the difference?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "the difference" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+difference
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aaronpk
lol oops
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mko
For me, "Like" is more transient and long-term will not have advanced viewing methods. It's typically used for short-term shows of appreciation. "Favorites" on the other hand are a type of Bookmark for me that will turn into a curated list of links.
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mko
Likes are also not as strong of a statement as Favorites.
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aaronpk
do you also publish "bookmarks" then?
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mko
Not yet. Haven't decided how I'd want to publish those.
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aaronpk
ok so it looks like your venues are uniquely identified by a slug
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mko
But basically, I see Favorites as a long-term browsable historical reference of strong positive sentiment bookmarks while Likes are a short-term browsable reference of moderately positive sentiment bookmarks.
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aaronpk
brb coffee
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mko
aaronpk: Yep. Right now, that's how I have been IDing them.
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Mark87
mko, Likes might also be usable in the future for indie machine learning ;)
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mko
Mark87: I *like* the way you think. ;)
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mko
I really need to fix my permalink slugging process.
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mko
Should have shared the short url instead of the canonical url.
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Mark87
haha, that's pretty cool
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Loqi
hehe
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aaronpk
mko: how do you create/generate the slug?
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aaronpk
and what is your plan for things like starbucks?
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mko
Right now, I'm fine with different venues with the same name being duplicated for the primary slug, actually.
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aaronpk
hadn't even considered that, lol
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mko
All I do right now is just URLify the name with a basic slug.
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aaronpk
i'm planning on doing proper venue pages though, with venue info, a map, etc, plus the list of checkins below, so I need to have unique slugs per venue
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mko
There's a secondary qualifier with the location hash that I'm tracking for the full address of the venue appended to the venue slug for when I need to separate them.
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mko
No you don't.
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GWG
Good day all
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aaronpk
location hash? like geohash of the lat/lng?
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mko
I've got a hash of the street addres + locality (city) + region (state) + zipcode.
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GWG
I've been following the talkings in here
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aaronpk
oh, like sha hash or something?
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mko
Yeah. It's a checksum basically.
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mko
I'm looking into compressing it to a base60 hash.
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aaronpk
newbase60++
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Loqi
newbase60 has 1 karma
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mko
Yep
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mko
I've already implemented newbase60 as a Node package, so it would be easy to implement the conversion back and forth for an arbitrary object hash.
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aaronpk
wow you have a very complete h-card on your pages
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aaronpk
except your "significant-other" and "pet" properties should be h-cards too ;) that way you can link to their websites
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aaronpk
i'm assuming your cat has a website
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aaronpk
my cat will certainly have a website. once I get a cat.
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ShaneHudson
I need to sort out my microformats, not got around to putting them back
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aaronpk
speaking of encoding formats, just found this interesting set of characters for base36 encoding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash-36
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aaronpk
23456789bBCdDFgGhHjJKlLMnNPqQrRtTVWX "Characters are chosen to avoid vowels, vowel-like numbers, character confusion, and to use lowercase characters which are generally distinct from their uppercase equivalents in standard typefaces."
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cuibonobo
avoiding untended English words in a hash seems like an odd thing to want
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cuibonobo
*unintended
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cuibonobo
i just feel like it's an odd thing to care about
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cuibonobo
like, why does it matter that a hash might look like a word?
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GWG
Who was talking about venues?
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aaronpk
don't know about you but I don't really want words like "sex" in my URLs
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aaronpk
(among other other words)
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aaronpk
GWG: I'm trying to figure out how to add checkins and venues to my site as the last missing piece of my metrics feed
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cuibonobo
is that really it? the removal of potentially objectionable words?
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@theanxy
A great write up on IndieAuth, webmention, micropub and POSSE by @adactio: https://adactio.com/journal/7698
(twitter.com/_/status/524978933566308352)
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aaronpk
for something like a hash of a location, where the characters themselves don't have any human-parseable meaning, I don't want to introduce accidental meaning by spelling a word
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GWG
aaronpk: I was giving that some thought. What have you considered so far?
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cuibonobo
that's fine. i think i'm coming the idea that i know these characters have no human-parseable meaning, so finding accidental words might actually be a bonus. like finding shapes in the clouds.
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aaronpk
GWG: right now I'm leaning towards a slug, and for duplicate slugs like "starbucks", making them unique by adding a hyphen and the geohash of the location
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aaronpk
like starbucks-8HWgbDr
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tantek
what is a geohash?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "geohash" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=geohash
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GWG
aaronpk: I've been thinking about it, and trying to decide the level I need. I don't report location as much as you do
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tantek
and what geohash is THAT one?
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GWG
Although, in fairness, I think few people report to the level you do
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aaronpk
that's actually a geo36 hash
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aaronpk
now i'm wondering what it would take to make a newbase60 geohash
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aaronpk
cause they'd be shorter I think
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tantek
aaronpk - I'm way ahead of you
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cuibonobo
i'm interested in how the decimals are converted. do you just multiply by the accuracy?
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tantek
from about 5-6 years ago
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aaronpk
cuibonobo: there's a walkthrough of encoding and decoding here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash
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tantek
yeah - there's an easter egg on my wiki for a geohash
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tantek
see if you can find it ;)
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tantek
(not that difficult)
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aaronpk
unfortunately geohash.org is down
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tantek
aaronpk - it is yet another thing that I have copious development notes but never got around to implementing. even a domain name.
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tantek
and wait til you find my 3-d geohash
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tantek
can't code fast enough for all the ideas :/
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GWG
I think you two are too far ahead of me.
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tantek
GWG start with ISO Ordinal dates if you want to live in the future.
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tantek
mko: could you expand upon your thinking/motivations for this statement? "Should have shared the short url instead of the canonical url." I'm very interested the use-cases / considerations people have for that
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cuibonobo
aaronpk: each bit halves the range of possibilities. fascinating!!
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aaronpk
tantek: no results found searching your wiki for "geohash"
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tantek
aaronpk: please. if you could do a simple "search" like that would it really be an easter egg?
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tantek
cuibonobo++ wins the hunt! :)
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Loqi
cuibonobo has 14 karma
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GWG
tantek: I think I need to fix timezones first
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aaronpk
tantek: without an example there I can't tell... does it have the same property of geohash where you can remove characters at the end of the string to make it less accurate?
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aaronpk
or are the lat/lng still encoded separately?
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tantek
aaronpk, in the summary at the top of page
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tantek
"each octal latitude and longitude digit into a single base 64 character"
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aaronpk
squints
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tantek
math implied ;)
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aaronpk
what math?
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tantek
two base 8 digits = a single base 64 digit/character
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aaronpk
oh crazy
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tantek
note singular use of "digit" in that summary
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tantek
everything is built out of math. (cue Pi soundtrack)
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mko
tantek: I prefer the short url (the Whistler URL) of most of my entries over the canonical URL because it's just easier to read and doesn't have the ridiculous slug converted from the name at the end of the URL.
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tantek
mko - could you add that somehow to this list? http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domains#Why_personal_short_URLs
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tantek
(also interested in your thoughts on existing entries on that list)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /checkin (+18) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add URL for benwerd checkin"
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mko
Sure thing. I'm about to head into a meeting (I actually have a job now that takes up my time).
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tantek
huh - looks like I never documented my 3d geohash
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tantek
on my wiki at least
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tantek
mko - I hear you - wanted to at least capture your reasoning - thanks for adding that to IRC at least
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pauloppenheim
are people building alt geohashes now?
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pauloppenheim
is that what's going on here?
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aaronpk
there are a ton of alt geohashes already
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aaronpk
also geohash.org is broken
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tantek
pauloppenheim: maximally optimal data compression for global coordinates
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GWG
I'm wrapping my head around venues still
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tantek
GWG: sounds painful.
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pauloppenheim
tantek: so long as we learned from google annd use hilbert curves, i'm for it
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aaronpk
why is that important?
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GWG
tantek: As you know, I try to think of things in WordPress terms, as the platform I'm implementing in.
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pauloppenheim
aaronpk: search
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aaronpk
but I'm not *storing* the location as a geohash
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tantek
aaronpk - how are you storing it?
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aaronpk
so it doesn't need to be searchable by the geohash
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aaronpk
i'm still gonna store the decimal lat/lng like I do for all my other content
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tantek
aaronpk - decimal lat/long is opaque to me already, thus I may just store octalgeos
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aaronpk
I can recognize decimal lat/lng somewhat, so it is actually kinda readable for me
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pauloppenheim
aaronpk: are you just leaving it up to geoalchemy / something else that turns lat/lon into something indexable?
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tantek
I like the general concept of data syntaxes that work as-is in a URL path
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aaronpk
pauloppenheim: right now nothing on my site is searchable by location
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tantek
aaronpk - that doesn't surprise me that you can read lat/long
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tantek
probably a good nav/nerd skill :)
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aaronpk
tantek: within Portland, I can give you a street intersection +- 10 blocks usually
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tantek
amazing
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aaronpk
i might be a little out of practice, I should brush up on that :)
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tantek
now if you could make sense of them closer to the poles (where things are far less square/rect-like) then I'd be really impressed ;)
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pauloppenheim
aaronpk: i'm looking for the google paper, i'll give you a ref in a min
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tantek
pauloppenheim: octalgeo is a more usable (IMO) alternative to hilbert curves
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tantek
I have notes on it from watching a session on hilbert curves at one of those where/location conferences held by O'Reilly in Santa Clara - somewhere.
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pauloppenheim
tantek: it's not about usability, it's about locality and precision levels
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aaronpk
that only matters if you need to index that for search
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@PentimentoFilm
https://pentimentofilm.squarespace.com/about/ Pentimento is a story of #immigration and #rebirth #indiefilm #indieweb @seedandspark #immigrationreform #struggle
(twitter.com/_/status/524986192253952000)
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tantek
pauloppenheim: indeed, and OctalGeo is better for those too
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tantek
I thought that part was obvious
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tantek
it's the usability aspect that tends to be less obvious
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tantek
also, simpler processing model
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aaronpk
how do you get from two octal characters to a single newbase64 char?
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tantek
in OctalGeo, each part of each digit "means" the same thing in terms of directions (NS/EW). whereas in a hilbert curve compression, each "digit" rotates its meaning depending on the value of the previous digit. this is illustrated by this diagram: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Figure2_Hilbert.gif
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tantek
aaronpk, I'll give you a clue - how do you get from two 3-bit numbers to a 6-bit number?
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tantek
how do you get from two 8-bit numbers to a 16-bit number?
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aaronpk
concat?
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tantek
bingo
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pauloppenheim
hmm, that's the library that implements the research, but i can't find the research
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aaronpk
I feel like there are a lot of implied steps here :) http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/25818823/OctalGeo
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tantek
like OctalGeo itself, the prose description is quite precisely compressed ;)
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aaronpk
question... why not use the full range of 512 for both lat/lng? why limit to 128 and 256?
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aaronpk
you're already scaling [-90, 90], why not scale that to [-512, 512]? seems like you could get more accurate locations with fewer digits that way
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tantek
aaronpk, because squares
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aaronpk
are squares important?
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tantek
I think it makes the data format more robust if there are fewer special rules
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aaronpk
even so, wouldn't latitude to 256 and longitude to 512 still be squares?
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aaronpk
( also there are no squares on the globe ;) )
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tantek
aaronpk - no you're forgetting the bit that making them signed consumes
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aaronpk
ah yeah
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tantek
also note the *key* difference between: [-128.0,128.0] and [-256.0,256.0)
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tantek
here, let me take away the numbers for you
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aaronpk
oh right
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tantek
[,] and [,)
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tantek
I'm using all the bits :)
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tantek
like I said, maximal compression ;)
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aaronpk
you've still got unused bits for latitude tho, unless you use the full [-256.0,256.0] range for that right?
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tantek
you don't, you need that bit for full [-128.0,128.0] range
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squeakytoy
What do you do with an epileptic lettuce? Make a seizure salad. -- http://imgur.com/gallery/DFcVn
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tantek
squeakytoy: did you mean to post that in #indiewebcamp? that's both offtopic, and appears to be mocking epileptics (not cool)
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aaronpk
ok I can see you have thought this through
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gRegor`
!tell KartikPrabhu I forgot to email Marcy to confirm the venue this week; they apparently have the venue rented tonight, so we'll need to meet elsewhere.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
squeakytoy: you there? serious question.
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squeakytoy
tantek, how is that mocking epileptics?
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tantek
it's a (bad) attempt at humor, given the phrasing, with the subject of an epileptic
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squeakytoy
thats opinion-based, but okay. I apologies. Those Walking Dead jokes might not be funny for you.
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squeakytoy
but seriously tho, how can you say that joke is mocking people with epileptics?
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ShaneHudson
"What do you do with an epileptic lettuce? Make a seizure salad" yeah that is pretty bad taste really.
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tantek
by the general rule that humor about a subject in general mocks that subject
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squeakytoy
its a play on words
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tantek
irrelevant to its mocking nature
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squeakytoy
okay okay
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squeakytoy
obviously, this was the wrong crowd
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tantek
squeakytoy: mocking anyone based on a medical condition is just not cool in general.
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squeakytoy
tantek, please stop.
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squeakytoy
it wasnt mocking people who has seizures. The joke didn't even involve any human beings.
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squeakytoy
That was far fetched
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tantek
squeakytoy: that kind of verbal nitpicking is otherwise referred to as "lawyering" in a community context (e.g. see Wikipedia), and is also not a particularly positive behavior. your joke mentioned "epileptic" and thus was unacceptable.
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squeakytoy
and given that the top comment was "Seizure salad got me." with 1345 votes, second place is "The Walking Dad" with 506, I believe most people would find it funny because it was a play on words and not aimed at mocking people.
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reedstrm
squeakytoy: gotta stand up for tantek here: that joke was in poor taste at best. And off topic. Your further comments demonstrate a lack of understanding of how humor operates.
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squeakytoy
You are making this more dramatic than it needs to be.
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gRegor`
Hello, davidpeach
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tantek
squeakytoy - "most people would find it funny" is not an acceptable defense of such things.
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tantek
squeakytoy: this is not drama, this is clarifying what behavior is and is not acceptable in this community.
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tantek
squeakytoy: there is no "stop" to this. it is bad jokes like this that must stup. this is something you have to understand and accept while participating in this community. I'm saying this as a founder/admin and will just say that your apology is accepted (thank you) and suggest you read http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct
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reedstrm
Nope, we're just standing up for community standards here.
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tantek
s/stup/stop
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: squeakytoy: there is no "stop" to this. it is bad jokes like this that must stop. this is something you have to understand and accept while participating in this community. I'm saying this as a founder/admin and will just say that your apology is accepted (thank you) and suggest you read http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct
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tantek
thanks much squeakytoy. now let's get back to what are all the cool things you're working on building!
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reedstrm
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 108 karma
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reedstrm
wonders if squeakytoy may feel a little ... chewed on :-)
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gRegor`
hands reedstrm sunglasses
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reedstrm
So, anyone have a good tech for html/web annotation?
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squeakytoy
Different people have different sensitivity.
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tantek
reedstrm: what's the specific use-case you have in mind?
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davidpeach
i wonder if anyone could help with sharing to twitter? Ive got it working with SNAP plugin, but am wondering how to best link it back to my site? I am using bridgy to pull in faves etc.
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reedstrm
Well, we're building textbooks, and need to do teachers editions. The TEs are basically just annotated versions of the SE.
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tantek
GWG ^^^ re: davidpeach
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tantek
reedstrm: check out KartikPrabhu's work on fragmention marginalia
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tantek
what is marginalia?
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Loqi
Marginalia are interactions or responses to arbitrary parts of a post, in contrast to a traditional comment which refers to the entire post http://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia
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JonathanNeal
it’s awesome
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GWG
davidpeach: When you say linkback, do you mean the link in the tweet or not?
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reedstrm
ages ago we implemented annotea, and I think we may have been about the only ones to do the server half :-( But that's all water under a very old bridge.
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davidpeach
Sorry, yes. in bridgy it says "No post links found". but I read that linking back when the content is the same is bad practice - not offering reader any more that the note on twitter
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reedstrm
tantek thanks
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reedstrm
reading it already :-)
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GWG
davidpeach: What you need then is rel-syndication links
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tantek
awesome :)
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tantek
excuse me while I create a few redirects
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tantek
what is html/web annotation?
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tantek
where is Loqi?
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GWG
davidpeach: Allowing for post discovery
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gregorlove.com
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davidpeach
ahh okay
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tantek
what is html web annotation?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "html web annotation" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=html+web+annotation
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ben_thatmustbeme
so need to figure out exactly how one should h-card annotate contact methods like skype username and such
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GWG
davidpeach, can I suggest two possible plugins?
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tantek.com
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davidpeach
definitely GWG
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davidpeach
thanks. and btw all people i have spoken to here have been super friendly.
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tantek
what is an html web annotation?
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Loqi
Annotations are comments, highlights or any other data added to a (part of a) post typically by individuals other than the author http://indiewebcamp.com/html_web_annotation
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is annotation?
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Loqi
Annotations are comments (including marginalia), highlights or any other interactions that add to (part of) a post, typically added by individuals other than the author http://indiewebcamp.com/annotation
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GWG
davidpeach: There are two rel-syndication plugins for WordPress
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tantek
ben_thatmustbe: re: "how one should h-card annotate contact methods like skype username and such" u-url
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GWG
davidpeach: One is called Syndication Links, and I prefer it. But that is because I wrote the thing. The other is called Wordpress Syndication. It is more automated than mine at the moment, but less plans for customization.
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davidpeach
"rel-syndication for wordpress" is first one I found.
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, seems silly for things like mailto: or sms: etc
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GWG
davidpeach: rel-syndication is the old version of Wordpress Syndication.
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ben_thatmustbeme
makes sense for profile pages i guess though
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davidpeach
Ill give yours a go
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GWG
davidpeach: There is a newer version that will automatically put in the links if you use SNAP
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GWG
davidpeach: Mine requires you manually use it
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, I was doing more research on the subject, there is a method for urls for android using href="intent://..." that will load the app you specify in the play store if it doesn't support the custom URL scheme
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GWG
davidpeach: I have some plans for automatically pulling in the data, but I always build manual entry and then add in automatic entry.
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gRegor`
Hi/bye benwerd
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ben_thatmustbeme
unfortunately that means more custom for android bits, that I want to get away from. And I did more checking in to aim and fb-messenger, They took out the ability to call anything from the web in those apps. There is a manifest value "BROWSABLE" that has to be set, and they don't have it anywhere
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GWG
davidpeach: Also, all of the display functions for my plugins are being rewritten to make them more flexible and work with multiple themes. I coded them a bit too quick and dirty the first time.
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davidpeach
okay cool. I do use snap so think ill go with automated one. Is that the one called "Wordpress Syndication"
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GWG
davidpeach: Yes.
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GWG
davidpeach: I'll advise you if I ever add the automatic import functionality.
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davidpeach
definitely thanks. I searched for it and closest is called Syndicate Press. do have a link please?
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tantek
ben_thatmustbe: (re: skype u-url etc.) see http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#New_Types_of_Contact_Info for a lot more (worded in classic hCard terms but still applies to h-card)
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GWG
davidpeach: The major difference is that WordPress syndication stores the links as a block of HTML. I only store the URLs and build the links when displaying.
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@rockECHSprin
RT @EThompson_22: We will rock this ACT benchmark! PLAN Prep! #griffinpride #actprep #futureboss #ownyourdata @rockECHSprin @RCS_NC http://…
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GWG
davidpeach: So, what is still missing on your end?
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davidpeach
rel-syndication links are showing now, thanks. I think the only thing is to have site pull in the faves, replies etc from bridgy.
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GWG
davidpeach: Well, regrettably, Bridgy doesn't have a retry function.
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davidpeach
oki. just posted another test with syndication in place
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davidpeach
I just posted another test and still says "No post links found" in bridgy. Should it still pick up replies with syndication link in place or am i missing something obvious?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek. So i'll just push any recognition of the type of url to the client that is polling these pages.
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ben_thatmustbeme
mainly for displaying the correct Icon etc
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GWG
davidpeach: If the links to the POSSEd posts are there when it looks...
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davidpeach
ahh okay
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: not sure of what you mean absent a specific scenario. I mean yes, you can use CSS based on what the href attribute starts with to style something with a background-image in its padding
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tantek
a[href^="skype:"] etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats a good point, i could do it that way. Originally i was thinking to parse it when I curl the page, that way I can contacts wide just hide all AIM links if I don't have it installed, but I can do that with CSS too. and really it just becomes a list of URLs for each person then.
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ben_thatmustbeme
It will be most interesting to try to simulate the drag and drop for all contact icons in the screen. And thus organize contacts on the fly just like the homescreen
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tantek
whoa - a homescreen web app. someone must have built that already. at least something that mimics iOS.
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butter
Win95 had that iirc
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Loqi
butter: tantek left you a message on 10/20 at 10:55pm: welcome back. go ahead and add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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gRegor`
davidpeach: Link to your test? Bridgy looks at the homepage for rel-syndication links, or follows a rel=feed link to look for the syndication links there.
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gRegor`
davemenninger: Bridgy also only refreshes the rel-syndication check every ~2 hours, I believe.
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GWG
gRegor`: Does it refresh?
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gRegor`
Yeah.
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gRegor`
I've had replies to twetes not come through, bugged snarfed, but by that point they'd already come through because Bridgy had an older version of my notes feed.
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gRegor`
I presume we're talking about backfeeding replies/favorites from Twitter, right davidpeach?
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gRegor`
twetes, heh. Sounds Swedish
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, it should be just a grided layout with drag options on every icon, the biggest trick would be creating folders on the fly
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ben_thatmustbeme
would take some work, but it would be really cool, and untether your contact list from any one device
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gRegor`
davidpeach: I think you need the rel=feed from here http://indiewebcamp.com/ppd#Algorithm
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gRegor`
My notes stream is not on my homepage, so I have <link rel="feed" href="http://gregorlove.com/notes/" type="text/html" /> in the <head>
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ben_thatmustbeme
This is what I have been wanting to get to the point of working on ever since i saw that first post of yours on comms
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davidpeach
ahhh. okay i get it. thanks! Back in sec
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually i really like the idea of the folders though, I can use the folders as the group for a person and that becomes method for whitelist to certain values on my contact sheet. 'Only the people I have listed in my "Friends" folder have access to my actual phone number'
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gRegor`
davidpeach: It then might take up to 2 hours, but those bridgy wm should come through eventually. :)
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gRegor`
Including my favorite. Yay, Community!
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Loqi
woot
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davidpeach
okay great
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ShaneHudson
My phone number used to be in the footer of my website, but people still used to ask for it over email so I removed it
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ben_thatmustbeme
ShaneHudson, hah, people didn't know exactly where it would be
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mko
The most annoying part of my phone number being public is recruiters calling me.
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gregorlove.com
created /wm (+24) "r"
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ShaneHudson
ben_thatmustbeme: Yeah true
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mko
Otherwise, I regret nothing about putting my phone number public.
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ShaneHudson
mko: I didn't get more spam than normal. But I do a reverse search of phone numbers anyway so tend to know who are real and who aren';t
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gregorlove.com
created /WM (+24) "r"
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mko
Yeah. I typically don't answer my phone unless I know to be expecting a phone.
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aaronpk
yeah me too
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mko
s/phone./phone call.
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Loqi
mko meant to say: Yeah. I typically don't answer my phone call.unless I know to be expecting a phone call.
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mko
lol
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aaronpk
regex lol
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mko
Didn't realize it was a pure regex.
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mko
Assumed it was regex-like.
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mko
Should have assumed the reverse. >.<
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ben_thatmustbeme
mko, yes there are fun things you can do with it
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/[a-zA-Z]/💩
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: 💩💩💩, 💩💩💩 💩💩💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩💩💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩💩 💩💩 💩💩💩💩 💩💩
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ben_thatmustbeme
does loqi do back substitution?
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Loqi
who, me?
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/l\(^ +\)/L\1
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ben_thatmustbeme
oops, proper regex, sorry loqi
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Working on contacts I saw?
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/l\([^ ]+\)/L\1
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gRegor`
Does the photo for Devil's Tower load on this page? Second photo down: http://gregorlove.com/2014/10/1189/
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: It has given me thought
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cuibonobo
gRegor`: yep
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gRegor`
Very strange... it's hotlnked from Flickr and I'm logged in there, but it's showing broken in Chrome.
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gRegor`
Network hiccup I guess. Refreshing worked
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG: Oh? do share
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kylewm
gRegor`: Do not assume malice for that which can be explained by dropped packets
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gRegor`
Haha
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gRegor`
kylewm's razor
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GWG
Well, it dovetails into something I'm working on
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GWG
And if I combine the two, I could come up with something interesting
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ben_thatmustbeme
reviews GWGs user page for some hint
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I really need to update that
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gregorlove.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG so what are you working on?
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I was starting to think about improved contexts...such as reply-contexts. This would mean more data on the people I'm replying to. For example, you post something, and I reply to your post...I load up your profile picture and such...
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I started thinking about creating a user profile for the people I am replying to.
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GWG
Which would mean me keeping an address book.
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh, auto organize contacts by people you reply to most, haha
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Also allows for whitelisting.
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ben_thatmustbeme
indeed, i'm already whitelisting
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: But, can I get people to log into my site, I wonder.
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snarfed
ben_thatmust: re your android intent msgs, you might be interested in https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.snarfed.android.openinapp
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snarfed
i'll happily accept PRs that add more apps!
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, aaronpk worked this out before, the idea is that if you control your auth endpoint, you can generate a key to send to them
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Loqi
snarfed: bear left you a message 3 hours, 20 minutes ago: yes, i've been enjoying the book tech review for his book
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ben_thatmustbeme
then its all done automatically in the poll
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snarfed
davidpeach: re retrying bridgy responses, you can do it manually: https://www.brid.gy/about#source-urls
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GWG
snarfed: It isn't as friendly as it could be.
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I don't have an auth endpoint. Well...yet.
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snarfed
GWG: of course! you beat me to this msg: "we've also been thinking about adding the real feature. feel free to weigh in or even send a PR! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/183 "
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snarfed
(reposting since more people are online now)
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GWG
snarfed: I read the Android one.
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gRegor`
Ooh, I will check that out tonight, snarfed
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ben_thatmustbeme
we need an indie-config app, that would be lovely
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Once you consider storing profiles of the people your common replies...it leads to contacts, address books, indie messaging...
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ben_thatmustbeme
but it would have to be a plugin for the browser i'd imagine
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, exactly, i figure its the next level
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ben_thatmustbeme
after indie-messaging we get to file sharing securely, chat rooms
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I started with wanting to add automatic context import options to my reply-contexts....How did I get to chat rooms?
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gRegor`
Nice touch on Native Foods individual location pages: shows the current weather. https://www.nativefoods.com/locations/locations/wicker-park
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ben_thatmustbeme
isn't that the same, its just the recursive reply-context
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reedstrm
That's a shortform for you "Chat is just extended recursive reply-context - ben_thatmustbeme in #indiewebcamp"
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ben_thatmustbeme
if you all reply to all people in the "room" it could work
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Recursive reply-context? Is that a thing?
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GWG
kylewm: Glad you liked the photo, by the way
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reedstrm
and like most recursion, in practice it's mostly tail-recursion :-)
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ben_thatmustbeme
reedstrm, absolutely
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ben_thatmustbeme
although its multi-tail recursion so its not as easy to just do a loop
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ben_thatmustbeme
but entirely possible
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GWG
Hi, KartikPrabhu_
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu_: gRegor` left you a message 2 hours, 10 minutes ago: I forgot to email Marcy to confirm the venue this week; they apparently have the venue rented tonight, so we'll need to meet elsewhere.
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gRegor`
yo
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GWG
I really need to improve the workflow on that
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GWG
I've been posting photos. It takes too many steps
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snarfed
GWG: do you use the wp app?
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GWG
snarfed: It doesn't work for me for a few reasons
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gRegor`
KartikPrabhu_: Get Ubuntu going?
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GWG
1. It doesn't support settings for publish. I have to switch the settings for SNAP from Note to Photo configuration. The only way for me to solve this is to switch Publish solutions or to not POSSE till later.
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reedstrm
what is SNAP
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "SNAP" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SNAP
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GWG
reedstrm: Are you tanteking?
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reedstrm
Was wondering what it was, so, no :-)
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KartikPrabhu_
gregor`: yup. now have to remember all the uncommitted changes I made to code everywhere
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GWG
SNAP stands for Social Network Auto Poster. It is a WordPress plugin that is popular, but horribly written codewise. It is very confusing to look at
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gRegor`
D'oh
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gRegor`
Couldn't rescue/transfer the HD?
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reedstrm
scripting loops over git status: never fun
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reedstrm
Ah, worse: _lost_ changes. I'm so sorry.
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KartikPrabhu_
gregor`: they are git committed thankfully, I don't remember them though :P
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gRegor`
If you want to avoid tanteking, you can start with "What's" and Loqi won't prompt.
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GWG
gRegor`: I just find it hilarious that it's become a verb
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GWG
What is tanteking?
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Loqi
Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it http://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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reedstrm
I figured if loqi knew, it'd save you answering. Isn't tanteking ... hehe I think of it as doing it when you already know the answer. :-)
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gregorlove.com
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GWG
I was just about to write it
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gRegor`
:)
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gRegor`
Feel free to. I only redirected it
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GWG
But that might not work
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GWG
What is SNAP?
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Loqi
WordPress is an open source blog software as well as a blog hosting service http://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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GWG
See?
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reedstrm
wants to make it /Wordpress##SNAP ...
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davidpeach
Do people general put replies to other tweets into notes? Or just keep notes for own thoughts?
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aaronpk
mine are split, Known splits them
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GWG
What is SNAP?
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Loqi
SNAP is a POSSE plugin for WordPress and stands for Social Network Auto Poster http://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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david.shanske.com
edited /SNAP (+94) "Add Link"
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GWG
davidpeach: That does actually make me think of a question you could answer about the Taxonomy plugin, if you are up for it
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GWG
davidpeach: I showed you the kind/reply archive option. Would an option for archiving posts without a selection? Such as Kind=None?
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davidpeach
strangely enough i was thinking of that the other day. Once clicked one, cant unclick them
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GWG
davidpeach: You have two choices. You can disable the radio selection and go back to the multi-picker, or you can wait...because I want to solve that problem.
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GWG
davidpeach: But this is about a custom taxonomy archive for when nothing is selected.
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GWG
davidpeach: I'll try to fix that problem. I borrowed the radio selection code.
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GWG
snarfed1: Still not finding the post links.
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snarfed1
GWG: right, we haven't fixed the bug yet :P
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gRegor`
Is there much/any value for the lang="en-US" attribute on the <html> element?
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joskar
gRegor`: For me there is (trying to be bilingual here)
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gRegor`
Presuming the site is US-centric
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gRegor`
joskar: That makes sense
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snarfed
GWG: or did you mean with a new post?
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GWG
snarfed: Several new posts
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snarfed
GWG: ok. my first guess is, they have the FB syndication urls (ie ids) that don't collect the responses (as discussed yesterday). looking now
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snarfed
and apologies again!
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snarfed
GWG: yeah. for example, https://david.shanske.com/notes/2014/10/22/dublin/ 's syndication link points to https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=729521797136364&id=100002356503167 , which is a synthetic collection, not the individual picture
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GWG
snarfed: I was trying to give you a bigger sample size.
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snarfed
GWG: thanks!
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GWG
snarfed: That is what SNAP returned for it
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GWG
snarfed: This just keeps moving Bridgy Publish support higher up on my list.
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GWG
snarfed: How is photo posting support again?
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snarfed
GWG: it works :P
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snarfed
GWG: continuing on that example, if you use either https://www.facebook.com/100002356503167/posts/729521777136366 or https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729521777136366 as the syndication url (note photo.php instead of permalink.php), those will work
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snarfed
just not the one that's there now, since it points to a collection, not the single post/picture
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GWG
snarfed: This is making me more annoyed at SNAP
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snarfed
GWG: nah, be annoyed at FB for having multiple ids for the same post, and automatically collecting multiple picture together without you asking for it
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GWG
snarfed: But if I change the URL to try to fix it...
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snarfed
GWG: yeah, it won't work now if you change it since we haven't implemented that, as discussed before
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snarfed
you can send them manually though (not easy i know)
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GWG
Yes, but it won't work manually unless it can find the target link
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snarfed
i think it skips that. trying…
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GWG
Not the one on my site
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GWG
snarfed: If I switch to Bridgy Publish, you think I'll be less annoyed?
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snarfed
GWG: heh, i couldn't say
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snarfed
the devil you know :P
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GWG
snarfed: I know SNAP and it still drives me nutsx
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joskar
gRegor`: For me it would be nice to know (programmatically) the language of the site. In case I reply to it, then my response could automatically be placed in the English section of my own website.
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snarfed
no harm in trying bridgy then!
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gRegor`
joskar: Good point
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GWG
snarfed: How about automatically composing the links for the webmentions on the page?
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snarfed
GWG: sorry, i don't follow
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joskar
gRegor`: I wouldn't care much about the '-US' part of the language string though...
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gRegor`
I'm updating a WordPress header template so it can be used on non-WordPress pages, too, so I was wondering if I should just remove it. I've hardcoded lang="en" for now.
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GWG
snarfed: It shows how to compose a webmention on the help page.
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aaronpk
joskar: whoa you wrote a microformats parser in C?
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snarfed
GWG: ahhh i see. sure! i wouldn't prioritize that myself, but i'd happily accept a PR
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joskar
aaronpk: Yup...it's pretty much a generic microformats2 parser. No backwards compatibility though :(
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aaronpk
amazing
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joskar
I wouldn't call it 'amazing', the gumbo-parser did all of the nasty HTML5 parsing stuff :)
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aaronparecki.com
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joskar
aaronpk: Are there any special parsing rules about p-* and nested h-* that I'm unaware of? The p-in-reply-to wont resolve to a URL when it's parsed (at least not the examples in /reply-context)
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joskar
But thanks for answering :)
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aaronpk
you might find something liek class="p-in-reply-to h-cite" which makes the "in-reply-to" property a nested object
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joskar
Huh. That rule was not clear at all from the microformats wiki...That explains my confusion.
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joskar
I thought they (the 'in-reply-to' and 'cite') would become siblings when parsed, not parent-child.
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aaronpk
I am not at all an expert on the details of parsing. tantek and other authors of parsing libraries are much more qualified to speak about that :)
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joskar
tantek just fled :(
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gRegor`
I think they'd only become siblings if they were both h-*
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gRegor`
I guess not. Just did a quick test and <div class="h-cite h-entry"> renders the 'type' as an array of both types
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aaronpk
crap, still haven't picked a place for HWC PDX tonight
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joskar
gRegor`: I would classify that as a sibling, it is just that they happen to share the same data?
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joskar
A conjoined sibling, perhaps
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aaronpk
tempted to just meet at a bar tonight. not sure who is around since I didn't make it to the last couple
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gRegor`
joskar: I suppose so. There is only one 'properties' key parses for both of them.
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gRegor`
s/parses/parsed/
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Loqi
gRegor` meant to say: joskar: I suppose so. There is only one 'properties' key parsed for both of them.
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ShaneHudson
I presume nobody here is going to be in Cardiff next week for The Web Is?
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GWG
ShaneHudson: Not I.
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gRegor`
So I might use it to check if the 'type' of an in-reply-to is h-cite or h-something, and if true, extract data from the 'properties' key of an in-reply-to
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@pwcc
@Japh turns out your iOS project is called called micropub & it has a spec http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub
(twitter.com/_/status/525048453227745280)
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tantek
catching up on logs (even from this morning)
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tantek
re: rebranding - I don't think it's that bad at all. I think cuibonobo has the right idea.
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tantek
real world experience example: idno -> Known
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tantek
benwerd started with naming his project simply, maybe somewhat geeky, but it was just for himself to start with and that was totally fine.
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tantek
As he scratched his itches and made it easier to setup / maintain, keeping it all open source, helping others set it up, he and collaborator erinjo decided to rebrand it and did so. I think it's worked beautifully.
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tantek
ben_thatmust, aaronpk, kylewm: re: contact entry page - I think anything to do with "contacts" is heavily overloaded by lots of different expectations (e.g different expected use-cases etc.) hence I separated the "contact me" discussion into /comms.
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tantek
joskar++ for a C microformats parser!
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Loqi
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@dudleystorey
I was IndieWeb before indieweb was cool. But I still need to integrate @adactio's excellent suggestions here: https://adactio.com/journal/7698
(twitter.com/_/status/524867829825564672)
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tantek
KevinMarks: in as much as we support permalinks, we've been cool for quite a long time per http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
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@ShaneHudson
"I don’t really care about being part of any kind of “movement.” I care about my website." https://adactio.com/journal/7698 Totally agree! #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/525056104670453760)
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ShaneHudson
Hmm my webmention sending is still buggy, thought I fixed that
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joskar
There. Now my parser puts h-* as a child of any other property from the same tag. Thanks aaronpk++ for pointing me in the right direction :)
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joskar
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 592 karma
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aaronpk
sweet!
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joskar
(Loqi didn't parse it in the text as I thought it would)
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tantek
ShaneHudson: Jeremy Keith as the John Lennon of the IndieWeb.
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ShaneHudson
Haha Jeremy is one of my most favourite people, have had a man crush on him for years haha
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ShaneHudson
I doubt I would have found IndieWeb without him, glad I did :)
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aaronpk
omg it is ridiculously grey and cloudy in pdx tonight
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finchd
aaronpk: you mean it is Portland-y in Portland? The horror!
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aaronpk
we had a pretty good run
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finchd
very. Do you know where we are on snowpack?
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aaronpk
no idea
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KevinMarks_
ben_thatmustbeme does kevinmarks.com count as a contact page for your purposes?
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finchd
'snow YTD: 0" ' :(
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KevinMarks_
has vestigial mf1 hCards there from when I last tried testing this model in 2007 or so
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tantek
try them in uf2 parsers to see how backward compat they are!
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@adactio
@susanjrobertson Nice! Did you try testing out IndieAuth by logging into https://indiewebcamp.com/ with your domain?
(twitter.com/_/status/525061637481320450)
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KevinMarks_
is reading scrollback, please excuse much-lagged responses
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@kevinmarks
@sarahjeong you got a wallet with a pony in? wow. such hash collision
(twitter.com/_/status/424810034229297152)
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KevinMarks_
also having B and 8 in your has is a character confusion: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-22/line/1413999339626
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aaronpk
they have "l" in there too which I don't like
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tantek.com
created /contact (+22) "redirect to plural because it is far more often used, for now, until someone wants to come up with a distinct meaning for contact like a verb or something [[comms]] related"
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tantek
KevinMarks: B and 8 look quite different in my view of the logs. And I'd say in typical fonts too.
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tantek
what font are you seeing confusion between 8 and B
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tantek
aaronpk agreed re: "I" and that's why I use "1" instead
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tantek
the reason for avoiding (some?) english words in URLs is URL based filter-proxies.
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tantek
that do blocking of URLs based on a keyword blacklist
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KevinMarks_
OCR, handwriting
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aaronpk
ha good point
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tantek
the *reasoning* that is. I don't actually agree with the conclusion.
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tantek
KevinMark, which font with which OCR software? I'm calling hypothetical here.
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@adactio
@melaniersumner Security concern or spam concern? (Webmention *could* also potentially have spam issues, but not aware of security issues)
(twitter.com/_/status/525063601904574465)
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KevinMarks_
venues are hard. They need constant maintenance, and yet youwant historic ones for logs too. Foursquare has the best one I've seen. SimpleGeo open sourced theirs on shutdown, but not sure it was maintained.
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tantek.com
edited /code-of-conduct (+20) "/* Respect */ medical conditions - calling out explicitly even though it could (sometimes is) interpreted as subset of / related to disability"
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aaronpk
maintenance of indie venues is interesting
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aaronpk
I may want to indicate a venue is closed for example
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aaronpk
venues also sometimes move, in which case I'm not sure if I would want to have the old and new location show up as separate venues or what
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ShaneHudson
tommorris, tantek and I were speaking about that at dConstruct. OSM try to show just the current information. But for most of our cases you wouldn't want the data to be overwritten (ie. Starbucks becomes a strip club).
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ShaneHudson
A venue database seems very simple at first, but it really isn't
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KevinMarks_
when simplegeo shut down, mg talked about setting up a trust for venue data, but couldn't get enough bites
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KevinMarks_
one of foursquare's more impressive achievements is the UX and persuasion around maintaining their venue data
jsun joined the channel
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@adactio
@melaniersumner Bear in mind that webmention is not pingback. It doesn’t use XML-RPC so any exploits targeting that won’t work.
(twitter.com/_/status/525066356816093184)
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@adactio
@melaniersumner Related: here’s the latest thinking on combatting potential webmention spam: http://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch
(twitter.com/_/status/525066663880695808)
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KevinMarks_
!tell ben_thatmustbeme Android apps can claim http URL fragmentt as intents, so an app can take over, say, https://twitter.com/intent/tweet/ or anything from twitter.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@melaniersumner
@adactio the front page of the webmention.io website.
(twitter.com/_/status/525067086532321280)
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@adactio
@melaniersumner Ah, right. That’s a fallback that converts pingback to webmention. But going straight to webmention is better.
(twitter.com/_/status/525067326308098048)
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@aaronpk
@melaniersumner @adactio webmention.io is a hosted service that you can use to accept webmentions for... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/22/3/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/525067361179549698)
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KevinMarks_
wishes he was going to hwc to chat to benwerd tonight
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benwerd_
KevinMarks_: I wish that too. Rented a car (mine died) for the whole week of IIW next week - do you think there's scope for meeting in SJ at some point?