#indiewebcamp 2014-11-02

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cadr Allow all GPL/BSD scripts on this page? (y/n)
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kylewm cadr: nonsequitur?
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cadr never
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cadr well, except when it isnt
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cadr i'd enable proprietary PDF code if it friggin rendered right
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snarfed cadr: you might be in the wrong channel :P
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acegiak hallo everyone! sorry for my absence!
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: Made a change in Indieweb Taxonomy for future development that would affect you
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GWG acegiak: Welcome back
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GWG acegiak: I'm afraid of breaking your site.
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acegiak is ok! whats the change? i can probably retroadjust my content
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acegiak whats the change?
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GWG acegiak: I switched the storage on Indieweb Taxonomy from 3 variables to a single variable array. I wrote a migration function, but...
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acegiak how is the array stored? just using wordpress's own array option sotrage?
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GWG Yes, as post-meta
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acegiak kk
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GWG The reason why was to add more variables later
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acegiak and do so dynamically yeah
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KartikPrabhu joskar: maybe add you marginalia implementation here: http://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia#IndieWeb_Examples
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acegiak also did we work out something for micropub or similar?
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GWG acegiak: I have ideas, but not yet. I'm starting
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acegiak the problem im having is that the awesome wordpress android app isnt posseing my images properly.
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GWG acegiak: I want to add author data and a few other things. That seems to be possible in the long term.
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GWG acegiak: How so?
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KartikPrabhu joskar: bug report... when you go to a fragmentioned link on your site, the marginalia script does not work: example: https://joskar.se/en/2014/exam-weeks-and-comments-on-the-side##just+did+it testing on FF latest
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GWG acegiak: What's wrong with the WordPress app?
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tantek what is a geocoding db?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "geocoding db" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=geocoding+db
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tantek what is geocoding?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "geocoding" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=geocoding
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tantek what is app engine?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "app engine" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=app+engine
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kylewm what are export restrictions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "export restrictions" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=export+restrictions
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kylewm tantek: have there been any writeups of the SocialWG TPAC meeting yet?
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tantek kylewm: I think the logs have the most accurate write-ups
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kylewm ah cool, i will check them out
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kylewm.com created /app_engine (+24) "Redirected page to [[App Engine]]" (view diff)
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tantek what is socialwg?
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Loqi The Social Web Working Group is a W3C Working Group that is chartered with developing specifications for the social web, based on the outcome of the osfw3c workshop in 2013-08 http://indiewebcamp.com/socialwg
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tantek.com edited /socialwg (+314) "add IRC section for quick access to recent logs" (view diff)
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tantek what is geocodeip?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "geocodeip" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=geocodeip
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GWG What's going on?
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* RSVP */ I'm going to be there :)" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: you coming this week? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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GWG One day, I want to be at an HWC
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tantek GWG - yes it would be great to have you at one!
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tantek we need to get a regular one going in NYC!
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GWG tantek: I'm working on it
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GWG One of my co-workers has decided to go for greener pastures. I've made a play for their shift...it ends earlier, so I might be able to participate.
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kylewm.com edited /events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* RSVP */ planning on going :)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (-13) "SF location @MozSF is a go" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk,dietrich how's PDX hosting looking for this coming Wednesday? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@bear the talk of cards and such I referenced in my earlier twitter post triggered a blog post - https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/306/echos-of-zigzag #indieweb #Hypertext (twitter.com/_/status/528774093047627776)
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@fantasyworkball RT @bear: the talk of cards and such I referenced in my earlier twitter post triggered a blog post - https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/306/echos-of-zigzag #indieweb #Hy… (twitter.com/_/status/528774518290923523)
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@adambrault RT @bear: the talk of cards and such I referenced in my earlier twitter post triggered a blog post - https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/306/echos-of-zigzag #indieweb #Hy… (twitter.com/_/status/528774626281664512)
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tantek bear: I agree with the "end of apps" premise but not because of any new fangled redefinition of data or posts as "cards", but rather by us owning our own data on our own sites.
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tantek apps that want to keep up and still participate may do so by supporting micropub.
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tantek your post makes sense to me - we're rapidly advancing the state of posts / microcontent / cards - actively, on the web
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tantek while a bunch of folks are just talking about it / building ephemeral JS-only prototypes.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: how does this coming Wednesday look for HWC CHI?
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KartikPrabhu i think it is good. I'll RSVP and also remind gregor`
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kartikprabhu.com edited /events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: new and independent marginalia attempt in case you didn't see: https://joskar.se/en/2014/exam-weeks-and-comments-on-the-side
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@BrendanEich RT @bear: the talk of cards and such I referenced in my earlier twitter post triggered a blog post - https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/306/echos-of-zigzag #indieweb #Hy… (twitter.com/_/status/528794970724265985)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dietrich tantek: i cannot, will be in india
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Loqi dietrich: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: how's PDX hosting looking for this coming Wednesday? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek joskar: very cool implementation of marginalia! KartikPrabhu gave me the heads-up about your https://joskar.se/en/2014/exam-weeks-and-comments-on-the-side
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tantek joskar: add your marginalia example to http://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia#IndieWeb_Examples !
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joskar !tell KartikPrabhu: Thanks for the bug report, it should now work!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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joskar tantek: I'll make sure to do that, but a bit later. I have to run now :)
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ben_thatmust good morning #indiewebcamp
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joskar.se edited /marginalia (+444) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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joskar Apparently I did not have to run.
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@jeena @marcoarment we in the IndieWeb movement post to our own Notes and automatically copy the content to Twitter/Facebook http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Twitter (twitter.com/_/status/528895428457410560)
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ben_thatmust damn, GWG, i've moved your test past that library, it looks like a bug in the language itself. I'm testing now with straight net/http
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@nobantu RT @benwerd: Export your data from the cloud! We set up an easy-to-use guide to show you how: http://freemydata.co/ #iiw #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/528907982466453504)
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ben_thatmust !tell GWG, aaronpk i've moved the test past that library, it looks like a bug in the language itself. I've created a test with straight net/http .
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG ben_thatmust: I appreciate it
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Loqi GWG: ben_thatmust left you a message 12 minutes ago: i've moved the test past that library, it looks like a bug in the language itself. I've created a test with straight net/http .
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ben_thatmust i'm working a bug report for ruby's redmine, just testing with 2.2.0 first
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/jeena/528895428457410560/528910451183452160 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Twitter (webmention)
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@selamo #Privatsphäre Das #IndieWeb – eine leise Revolution http://www.gruenderszene.de/allgemein/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/528924780876283905)
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@mrjoe @jukesie check on the indie web camp stuff. Webmentions should do it… (twitter.com/_/status/528935989906276353)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/jeena/528895428457410560/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Twitter (webmention)
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ben_thatmust GWG: if you want to follow the progress https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/10467
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GWG ben_thatmust: I still wonder how I keep experiencing these bugs due use cases not experienced by many.
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ben_thatmust its a pretty uncommon condition for this case
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ben_thatmust it has to be people using SNI, and not the main vhost, who are getting connected to by a lib that is keeping the connection object around instead of just restarting it
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ben_thatmust and how many of those does it effect them enough to not just disregard it as a configuration error on the server, or a bug in their software
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ben_thatmust or just move to a new host and assume the hosting provider was the problem
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GWG It's more that I seem to live the life of an edge case in many things.
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GWG Like all the problems I've reported to snarfed for Bridgy.
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bear !tell tantek thanks - I was hoping my post made sense from the IndieWeb perspective, I have more thoughts but those were the ones that I dashed off before I forgot them
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG Anyone think it may be a good idea to take SSLv3 off the nginx page?
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GWG is reading about indiemark
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bear thinks
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bear yea, let me take a pass at removing SSLv3 and adding a POODLE comment
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GWG I admit that I took it out of mine, but didn't 100% absorb the explanation
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bear.im edited /Nginx (+651) "add poodle and heartbleed to the FAQ" (view diff)
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bear simple answer - sslv3 is old and deprecated, so should be avoided
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bear it is very vulnerable to a number of attack vectors
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GWG bear, that much I got.
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GWG I was just thinking about the whole SHA kerfuffle that Google started.
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bear what happens is that sslv3 was always on the list, so a man-in-the-middle attack could force the server to downgrade to that via a request
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GWG Also understood protocol downgrades
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bear this explains it better than I can: https://www.openssl.org/~bodo/ssl-poodle.pdf
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bear.im edited /Nginx (-140) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /Nginx (+399) "remove SSLv3" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /Nginx (+1686) "move cipher list to a new section" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /Nginx (+2) "resizing image" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /HTTPS (+445) "add gnutls to tool list on how to verify" (view diff)
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@typesend RT @bear: the talk of cards and such I referenced in my earlier twitter post triggered a blog post - https://bear.im/bearlog/2014/306/echos-of-zigzag #indieweb #Hy… (twitter.com/_/status/528971404884996097)
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KartikPrabhu joskar: confirmed that marginalia works with the fragmention URL
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: joskar left you a message 8 hours, 22 minutes ago: Thanks for the bug report, it should now work!
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KartikPrabhu seems like Semantic Web people are finally ready to build things: http://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2014/10/30/the-year-of-the-developers/
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tilgovi waves
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bret \o
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KartikPrabhu \o |o o/
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KartikPrabhu tilgovi: I added your annotations as marginalia by hand on my article. My form does not handle fragmentions yet
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tilgovi KartikPrabhu: ahh, okay.
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GWG Hello, KartikPrabhu, tilgovi, bret
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tilgovi I was submitting them via the form because the submit via the endpoint didn't seem to be working :-/
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tilgovi I'm not debugging it now, but we should figure it out at some point.
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KartikPrabhu tilgovi: not working as in giving some error on my part?
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KartikPrabhu hi GWG
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tilgovi not sure
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tilgovi I guess I should log the responses I get.
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KartikPrabhu ok let me know if it is on my part :)
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tilgovi Okay.
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tilgovi I think it's more subtle than error.
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tilgovi I submitted them via the form after they were showing up at the bottom.
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tilgovi So I think the submission from my server worked, but the fragmention part didn't.
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KartikPrabhu hmm weird
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KartikPrabhu did you include the fragmention in the target parameter?
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bret i've been making progress on https://github.com/bcomnes/base, which will hopefully serve as a comprehensive blank indieweb friendly jekyll site that can be published to with micropub easily
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KartikPrabhu nice
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KartikPrabhu bret: are you using some static receiving for webmentions?
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bret i know its not the best idea, but i want to experiment with programmatically adding webmention data to static files
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KartikPrabhu seems like a good idea for static sites
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KartikPrabhu I know bear is using s static site with webmentions
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bear that is what i'm doing
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bret as long as there is only a single writer and traffic isn't to high it should work for most cases
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bear (and what i'm working on right now actually)
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bret woo go bear!
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bear I push to redis the event
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bret can you use redis like a task queue?
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bear yes
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bear it has pubsub
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bear since I only have one worker - it is just fine
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bear and the pubsub event is just a redis key for the webmention json blob
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bear which I also write to a file for backup
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bret sounds sweet! bear++
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bear if it worked.... ;)
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bear right now i'm running the entire generate command
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bear it seemed easier than trying to get a mention templated and then inserted into existing html
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aaronpk bear: I find polling a redis list a pretty effective way of doing a worker queue like that, rather than using pubsub. cause with pubsub, you'll lose jobs if the worker is offline when an event comes in.
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 11/1 at 10:00pm: how's PDX hosting looking for this coming Wednesday? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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bear nods
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmust left you a message 7 hours, 20 minutes ago: i've moved the test past that library, it looks like a bug in the language itself. I've created a test with straight net/http .
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aaronpk ohai
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aaronpk ben_thatmust: oh wow, ok! that's crazy
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: fwiw my friend is interested in your Offline-Logger... so put it on the app store already ;)
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aaronpk heh yeah
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aaronpk also a bunch of people told me today they want to use my pushup app
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aaronpk both of these apps require you to bring your own backend
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aaronpk which is a challenge sometimes
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aaronpk I think I might adapt teacup.p3k.io to handle QS data like pushups
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KartikPrabhu yeah but hopefully in the future lot of people will adopt micropub
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aaronpk then people could use teacup as the backend for now and switch to their own later
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bret KartikPrabhu: interesting article on development interest semweb conference. thanks for posting that
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KartikPrabhu it is weird that after all this theorizing they want to code, but I feel their code will be biased by all the theorizing
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bret should I put this on post about?
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bret http://www.gruenderszene.de/allgemein/indieweb
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KartikPrabhu it seems to mention indieweb only in passing
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KartikPrabhu concludes from whatever little broken German I know
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bret yeah i guess you are right just ran it through a translator
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snarfed kylewm: https://github.com/kylewm/broccoli interesting!
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snarfed sounds similar to http://webmention.herokuapp.com/ and https://github.com/bcomnes/webmention.js ...?
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GWG snarfed: Maybe someone will do a WordPress broccoli plugin
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aaronpk and webmention.io!
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GWG aaronpk: One of the things I like about Disqus for WordPress is you can sync the comments back into your own site if you ever turn it off...so no siloing
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aaronpk oh that's good, I didn't realize that
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aaronpk what is disqus?
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Loqi Disqus is a comments hosting silo http://indiewebcamp.com/Disqus
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aaronpk add a note there?
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GWG aaronpk: Under what heading, do you think?
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GWG If you can sync the comments to your site, is it a silo per se?
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KartikPrabhu weird then that Disqus does not automatically do this
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KartikPrabhu GWG: I can sync comments from Twitter through Bridgy ;)
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GWG I consider it a difference when the provider offers it, as opposed to a third-party
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KartikPrabhu then why does Disqus not do this automatically?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I think it does.
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KartikPrabhu oh hmm!
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KartikPrabhu well then... maybe call it backfeed and note that it automatically does so
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I would suggest to kylewm that Broccoli should support backfeeding as well, in some fashion.
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GWG kylewm: Will your new service support export/sync at some point?
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snarfed i probably should have given him a little breathing room first. he literally started it just today :P
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GWG snarfed: I'm equal opportunity.
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GWG I make suggestions, but I figure...many will not make a list.
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GWG snarfed: How are things going with your developments?
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snarfed GWG: fine :P no developments, not working on indieweb a lot right now. just low background hum of bug fixes etc
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snarfed planning a post about bridgy's 1000th user (should happen within a week), so i need to generate some graphs
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GWG snarfed: I have a lot of dreams, but not much time to accomplish them. I spent my weekend moving my furniture, as part of a larger cleaning project. I want to rid myself of things. I should post on that.
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed best indieweb thing i've done recently is register http://brookebarrett.org/ :P
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GWG Why a .org?
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snarfed 1) why not?
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snarfed 2) .com was taken
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GWG .me?
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snarfed meh
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GWG I don't know
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GWG Just asked
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snarfed yeah it's subjective
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GWG I do want to see if sometime this week, I can cross off some Indieweb stuff.
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@kevinmarks "@lucas_gonze: The blogroll should be a primary feature of a blog. It should be tied directly to your subscriptions." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/529050455255834627)
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GWG KevinMarks_: It is interesting you say that. WordPress got rid of the blogroll as a default feature.
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GWG I was just looking at that
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@kevinmarks @8bitkid @lucas_gonze we're still working on them, just not trying to start with silos any more. See http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/529056039346266112)
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aaronpk facebook's invite screen got way better
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@jden415 @jgilliam online commenting is totally broken. The only thing that comes close to getting it right is WebMentions (twitter.com/_/status/529058797328011264)
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