#indiewebcamp 2014-11-03

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KartikPrabhu wait what! https://twitter.com/lucas_gonze/status/528959446148743168
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@lucas_gonze Do blogs even work on mobile? They could in theory, but in practice they're so browser-y, and phones call for small dedicated apps. (twitter.com/_/status/528959446148743168)
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KartikPrabhu when did being "browser-y" become a bad thing?
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aaronpk maybe he means js "appy" websites?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: small dedicated apps would be a reader app.
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GWG So far, no one has gotten to h-feed readers for mobile
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KartikPrabhu there are readers for legacy feeds so I don't see the point
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KartikPrabhu well JS "appy" websites are a mistake anyway
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GWG KartikPrabhu: There was a big RSS reader boom post-Google Reader site death
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GWG What is Google Reader?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Reader" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Google+Reader
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GWG Thought I'd do the Tanteking thing.
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KartikPrabhu I know I use one
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KartikPrabhu maybe he means "posting interface" for a blog... but that is not hard to with some responsive design
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Which?
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KartikPrabhu feedly
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GWG Posting Apps are often faster because the interface is locally stored, and only uses the net to send the data
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GWG You also, on Android, have sharing intents to move data to your posting UI
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KartikPrabhu <shrug>s no use analysising a tweet
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I analyze everything
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GWG I observe intently the world around me
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kylewm ahahaha, lol snarfed
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kylewm you outted me
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snarfed :( sorry
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GWG Hi, kylewm
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kylewm no worries :)
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kylewm hi GWG
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snarfed let us know when it's out of stealth mode! :P
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kylewm happy to talk about it now, it'll keep me from abandoning it :)
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kylewm i went through archive.org the other day looking at my friends pages from 2002-03 era, and noticed they were mostly static html + some external comment service that I can't remember the name of
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kylewm so i wanted something like that
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kylewm probably reduplicating a lot of effort of webmention.io and webmention.herokuapp
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kylewm hoping to focus on the embed-side of things
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kylewm in a way that might be useful to those other apps if they want
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aaronpk do you wanna hack on webmention.io?
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aaronpk oh wait you don't do ruby right?
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kylewm I can read it better than I can write it...
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snarfed yeah, that was my question, is it worth recreating webmention.herokuapp etc as opposed to contributing
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snarfed but hacking is always good!
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snarfed adding native embed support to webmention.io could be big
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kylewm :/
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kylewm I wasn't thinking about it like that but you're right
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snarfed oh i may well be wrong
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snarfed i'm guessing you're envisioning different features? or structure?
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aaronpk noyou're right :)
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snarfed :P
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kylewm ha crap
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aaronpk all webmention.io needs is an html renderer. it already parses the author h-card and h-entry from the source URL
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GWG kylewm: What is your vision?
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acegiak aaand I'm back
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acegiak but exhausted
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kylewm GWG: you indieauth into the service, and choose a username. it gives you a snippet of code to stick at the bottom of your pages, and that's it. i was planning on having like a dashboard where you can see and possibly moderate incoming webmentions.
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aaronpk kylewm: "choose a username" <-- why not just use their domain name as the usernaem?
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fiatjaf ikaze
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aaronpk saves a step!
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aaronpk and you have to write lots less code
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kylewm aaronpk: that was my thought initially, but i don't want their webmention endpoint to be like brcc.li/tilde.club_~gRegor/webmention
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aaronpk it's true it's cleaner if the username is a hostname
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aaronpk tho I don't see why you ahve to replace slashes with an underscore
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kylewm maybe you don't
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aaronpk brcc.li/webmention/tilde.club/~gRegor seems fine to me
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kylewm I'll definitely think about that
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@dwester42a RT @postwait: Wow. Words cannot express... if you want to be a web developer, stay away from here: http://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern (twitter.com/_/status/529078492034371584)
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acegiak do we still have that page in that same format?
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GWG Hello, acegiak
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kylewm aaronpk: so I guess I do want to work on this for my own use (I basically just pulled out the wm-receiving part of redwind), but if I wanted to open it up as a "service" does that feel too much like ripping off webmention.io?
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kylewm I was thinking of it more as "diversity" rather than "competition", but now I'm not sure if it would be perceived that way :(
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acegiak GWG: hi!
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snarfed kylewm: i expect most people would see it as diversity, not competition
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snarfed we do already have wm.io, wm.herokuapp, and wm.js :P
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snarfed not to mention the majority of people roll their own CMS!
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snarfed i think our (hopefully mild) push back was more about using effort efficiently, esp from someone like you who's obviously good
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snarfed but motivation is huge, so if you want to do it, go for it!
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snarfed (to be clear, by "we do already have…" i meant that there's already duplication of effort, and we're generally still positive about those projects)
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GWG acegiak: Any news on anything?
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kylewm snarfed: thanks :) my folks just called on the phone, just so you know i'm not ignoring you!
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snarfed kylewm: np!
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GWG kylewm: What is your API/export plan?
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acegiak GWG: I'm exhausted from pax aus
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GWG acegiak: What's that?
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acegiak and now trying to get my head around oauth with tumblr
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acegiak GWG: australia's biggest games convention
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GWG acegiak: Oh
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GWG acegiak: Why Tumblr?
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acegiak GWG: I'm redoing my posse in my own plugin because I accedentally updated the posse plugin I was using which got rid of my modifications to the tumblr code
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GWG acegiak: I want to POSSE in my own plugin because SNAP is a bloated mess and its still the best choice so far.
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GWG But, good luck
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acegiak yeah I'm trying to make mine as little work as possible
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acegiak but the oauth dance is a headfuck
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snarfed acegiak: yeah, tumblr is oauth 1.1 which is a lot more annoying than 2
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snarfed is there a php library for it?
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acegiak snarfed: a couple but I haven't been able to get them working properly
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snarfed damn
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GWG snarfed: Bridgy to the rescue?
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snarfed GWG: for posse to tumblr?
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acegiak I specifically want to posse reblogs to native reblogs, hence the hackery
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snarfed acegiak: understood
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snarfed i'd happily accept a PR! bridgy does already oauth to tumblr, fwiw
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acegiak snarfed: wait, will bridgy send me webmentions from tumblr reblogs etc?
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snarfed acegiak: sorry no. bridgy currently accepts and renders incoming webmentions on tumblr, and sends outgoing webmentions for links, but doesn't yet handle tumblr-specific post types like reblog
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acegiak snarfed: coolios
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acegiak I find tumblr just fails to notify me about responses etc a lot of the time
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GWG I've never used Tumblr. Is it worth adding to my POSSE?
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acegiak GWG: It was my primary social network before I started getting my site indieweb compatible
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acegiak but it's a very specific kind of space
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GWG What sort?
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GWG My goal in POSSEing anywhere is a good community of people to backfeed from.
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GWG I enjoy dialogue
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acegiak try it out. tumblr is MOSTLY a very socialy concious younger audience with strong geek/arts bent
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acegiak it's a MASSIVE engineroom for a lot of fandom communities
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GWG I'll have to be more geeky
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GWG acegiak: Whatever happened to that moderation thing you were working on?
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acegiak gwg: ive put it on the backburner
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GWG acegiak: Shame. It gave me ideas
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acegiak needed to concentrate on amygdala and now i need to fix my posse
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GWG acegiak:
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acegiak gwg: the code was pretty simple. ill see if i can find it for yoy
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acegiak out at the shopa atm though
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GWG I'm trying to build toward author data in Indieweb Taxonomy, which has led to plans to design in an option to change where the author data is stored for future.
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GWG Which led to thoughts on linking that to inbound mentions with Semantic Linkbacks in the form of a nickname cache, which led to comment moderation
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acegiak wow
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acegiak also: with your new way of storing metadata in the taxonomy plugin, doesnt that make checking for and displaying the metadata more complicated for theme authors?
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GWG acegiak: I keep trying to avoid what I did with Indieweb Taxonomy...changing the data structure and breaking things...
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GWG acegiak: I'll be writing in a few functions to help out.
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GWG I like helper functions.
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GWG Like get_response(postID)
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acegiak GWG: hmm ok
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GWG acegiak: I think it was necessary to accommodate expansion though.
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GWG Better to do it now before it breaks too many people's sites than later.
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acegiak is this a standard wordpress pattern?
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GWG acegiak: Metadata arrays?
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak and helper functions
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GWG Metadata Arrays, yes
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GWG Helper functions...also known as wrappers, are common in the Codex.
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GWG the_title is a wrapper around get_the_title, for example.
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acegiak cause i feel like with the old way you could have multiple plugins that do thr metadata and multiple themes that read it and they would be interchangable
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GWG add_options_page is a simple wrapper around add_submenu_page that adds an option page, as opposed to add_plugins_page, etc.
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GWG acegiak: How did that change?
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GWG It is still metadata, just an array
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GWG response['url'] instead of response_url.
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GWG acegiak: The other advantage is optimization
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GWG Retrieving the whole array from the database is one database call instead of 3.
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acegiak yeah i guess, you just have to use your own helper functions instead of the default wordpress ones. like options is just a big array anyway
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acegiak this true
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acegiak it would be quicker
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acegiak im not objecting btw
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GWG acegiak: And next is response['author'], response['date']
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GWG acegiak: I know, just explaining what I was thinking
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acegiak just throwing thoughts around
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GWG The reason why I'm delaying on author is what I've been reading.
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acegiak which is?
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GWG I mentioned it a bit.
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GWG The authors you are likely to respond to are the same who are likely to respond to you
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GWG So, I want to craft it so, as a future add-on without changing anything in the structure, the authors could be stored separately from the posts and then retrieved.
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GWG That requires a little more forethought.
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acegiak what advantave would that give you?
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GWG acegiak: Local caching of profile pictures, mostly.
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GWG I may never do it, but I want to write it so I could. So I wanted to look at the functions WordPress uses for gravatars and write my functions similarly.
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GWG Which is how I wrote the kind functions
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GWG Based on structures WordPress developers would be familiar with
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GWG acegiak: To summarize in one word...filters
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acegiak GWG: ok yeah that makes sense
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GWG acegiak: I have most of it planned out in my mind. I just need to write the code and document it. Most should be simple.
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acegiak GWG: I trust you, man
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GWG acegiak: Thank you. I hope I live up to it.
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GWG acegiak: As I know you are a frequent poster, you are at the top of my concerns when I fear I'll break someone else's website
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acegiak GWG: yeah, I am... prolific
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acegiak but I've already broken my own metadata a couple of times.
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GWG acegiak: I think I fixed the migration function so it worked, but it broke my metadata the first time.
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acegiak what happened the first time?
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GWG acegiak: I had a loop going to migrate the data. I didn't unset the variables, so if the response didn't have a quote, it used the one from the last loop iteration
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acegiak ah dang
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GWG acegiak: I fixed that by unsetting the variable at the end of the loop.
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GWG Besides, you have to deliberately run the function by selecting the option in the menu.
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GWG Oh, and I rewrote the menu
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acegiak cool
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acegiak I'll update once I fix my posse
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GWG Be careful
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acegiak I will
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ben_thatmust GWG, btw, i realized the 15th is my neice's birthday / birthday party, so I might just not do the whole day if we do it that day
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GWG ben_thatmust: You want to put it out there? I'm prepared to clear both days for it even if attendance is limited to try it out
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GWG Or even make it a Sunday only event just to see how a day event goes
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GWG We just need to decide one way or another
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ben_thatmust well sunday works better much better for me
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ben_thatmust I vote we just do all day sunday
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GWG ben_thatmust: Okay. Motion to schedule an Indiewebcamp Online for one day, in a fortnight, Sunday, November 16, 2014 has been proposed.
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GWG All opposed say nay.
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ben_thatmust :O)
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GWG The motion, with 112 people in sort of attendance, passes unopposed.
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ben_thatmust GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 26 karma
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GWG ben_thatmust I'm considering it two yays, and 110 abstentions.
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ben_thatmust works for me
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (+204) (view diff)
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GWG The wiki now reflects a date. Time TBD
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ben_thatmust need to update the events page too
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david.shanske.com created /2014/Online/Guest_List (+3417) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> == <span class="p-name summary">[[2014/Online|IndieWebCamp Online 2014]]</span> == * '''When:''' <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">..."" (view diff)
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GWG ben_thatmust: Hope you don't mind...I invited you.
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ben_thatmust not at all, the wife is calling me to bed at the moment
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ben_thatmust or i would have done so myself
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online/Guest_List (+196) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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GWG I cut and pasted you from Cambridge
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acegiak making progress!
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GWG acegiak: You want to come?
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (+251) (view diff)
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acegiak GWG: oh maybe!
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Events (+445) "move events from upcoming to recent, create IWCOnline, why was IWCCambridge highlighted?" (view diff)
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aaronpk I think it was highlighted because it was the next event?
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2014/Online (-121) "/* Organizers */ don't need the extra call to action" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu next/most recent
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GWG aaronpk: After doing IWC Cambridge online...any thoughts/advice?
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online/Guest_List (-55) "/* Regrets */" (view diff)
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aaronpk GWG: broadcasting IWC cambridge is very different from a purely online event
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GWG aaronpk: Also, who has access to the Indiewebcamp Channel on YouTube?
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aaronpk that's me
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GWG aaronpk: Is it a page that you can give others access to?
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aaronpk I think so
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GWG aaronpk: For example, if ben_thatmustbeme and I asked?
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GWG I wanted to try a test or two in advance of an event.
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2014/Online (+936) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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aaronpk I think they have a way to delegate access to other google accounts
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GWG aaronpk: According to Google, if you have it linked to a Google+ page, you can assign other Google Plus individuals as page managers, thus giving access to the Youtube page
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aaronpk that's right
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ben_thatmust oh, thats helpful
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GWG ben_thatmust: You have a G+ account?
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ben_thatmust yep, linked from my page
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ben_thatmust +BenRoberts83
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GWG My name is uncommon enough I'm numberless
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ben_thatmust sadly, mine is pretty common
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GWG Blame your parents?
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GWG They could have named you Stanislav or something.
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GWG Either way, aaronpk, if you have some time in the near future, if you would be willing to add, will do some tests.
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GWG ben_thatmust: Assume you would not mind a dry run
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ben_thatmust not at all, not tonight though, is late
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ben_thatmust haha, i was almost Benjamin Franklin Roberts.... my parents were history buffs
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GWG ben_thatmust: I'm not saying tonight.
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ben_thatmust oh, yeah, i am certainly up for a trial run
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ben_thatmust just mentioned more on the brainstorming sections
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GWG ben_thatmust: Then I suppose you know the name of Benjamin Franklin's illegitimate son and his most notable position?
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ben_thatmust nope
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GWG I was just discussing this with someone at a get together. William Franklin was the last Royal Governor of New Jersey.
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GWG But anyway...
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GWG What about the timezone issue?
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GWG 8AM Pacific is 11AM Eastern is 4PM UK. That's a hard division, to use an example
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ben_thatmust yeah, if we have people in europe interested in participating / co-organizing I would say we should start in the morning EU time, then break things in to smaller sectiongs
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KartikPrabhu i suggest you guys wait for a week to see participating time zones then make the schedule
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I agree. Just brainstorming.
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ben_thatmust so say, 3 hours sessions, 3 hours talk, bu then it would be late enough that when we start the second sessions set we are able to get US in to the groups
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GWG I'll get up at 4AM, but I'd be a bit of a zombie.
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ben_thatmust haha, i will get up for 6 am no problem
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ben_thatmust but any earlier and i won't be getting much done
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GWG Well, 6AM Eastern is only 11AM UK Time. That isn't so bad.
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GWG Only bad for those people on Pacific.
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ben_thatmust if there is no one outside of US timezone i'd say we start somewhat like 8AM(p)/11AM(e) or 7AM/10AM
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ben_thatmust i think we just have to look at where participants would be joining from, we can't get all groups in on it unless we plan to do a lot of sessions like that
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GWG Works for me.
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ben_thatmust but anyway, bedtime for me
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ben_thatmust have a good night
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GWG Night
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Loqi night
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (+58) "/* IndieWebCampOnline 2014 */" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] http://5easypieces.withknown.com/2014/some-nice-background-on-posse-post-on-own-site-syndicate linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@davidbgk @notabene @m4d_z @n1k0 webmentions ;) (twitter.com/_/status/529191619061243904)
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@mathewlowry Hey @blogactiv any chance of installing Indieweb to link posts with socialmedia chatter via webmentions? https://www.brid.gy/about#accept Please? (twitter.com/_/status/529229054185324544)
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@growdigital http://IndieWebify.Me - A guide to getting you on the IndieWeb via @brad_frost (twitter.com/_/status/529235479104073728)
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Loqi [mention] https://dosch.it/webmention-and-the-indieweb/1299/11/2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@dosch Exploring this thing called Indieweb: https://dosch.it/webmention-and-the-indieweb/1299/11/2014 (twitter.com/_/status/529265275863306241)
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GWG pfefferle: I took your code for get_webmentions_number and am using it to add a get_linkbacks_number to semantic_linkbacks.
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cweiske.de edited /rel-me (+4) "rel-me is supported by indieauth.com, not indieauth in general" (view diff)
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pfefferle GWG thanks
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barnabywalters !tell aaronpk there’s some weirdness in yesterday’s IRC logs: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-02 specifically http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-02#t1414985075046 — markup bug resulted in that entire last section of the page being treated as a single post in shrewdness
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Loqi barnabywalters: jonnybarnes left you a message 5 days, 3 hours ago: have you upgraded to Yosemite yet? Messing around with getting guzzle working with sites like alpower.com (missing intermediate certs) and Yosemite's cURL now repliactes browser behaviour and just works™
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: that’s good to hear! I’m not on Yosemite yet, but I’m glad that Guzzle is defaulting to using the system chain. At some point I need to go over all my projects and update to the latest version of Guzzle and get this behaviour — hopefully then I can stop shipping hard-coded cert bundles in projects
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bret barnabywalters: i would find spurious issues throughout the logs when developing http://iwc-log-feed.herokuapp.com
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bret issues-like-that
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barnabywalters bret: indeed — as far as I can tell, it’s something to do with the way page titles are rendered under certain circumstances
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barnabywalters maybe a lack of HTML escaping?
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bret something is sneaking into the logs somewhere
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bret and I don't have good enough regex-fu to defeat it
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bret barnabywalters: iirc it seemed like some kind of funny utf character that was doing it
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barnabywalters from the source: <span class="p-author h-card"><a class="author p-nickname p-name" href="http://(+3417) created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> == <span class="p-name summary">
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barnabywalters (I love how FF source view highlights invalid HTML in red)
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@8bitkid @kevinmarks @lucas_gonze really interesting. I miss going to IIW. good to see #webmention. (twitter.com/_/status/529299484321538048)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529056039346266112/529299484321538048 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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bret nice bear you got a @BrendanEich retweet
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barnabywalters is disappointed to find that *.withknown.com accounts don’t appear to support https
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bret barnabywalters: is that what wildcard certs enable?
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bret also, planning on implementing a JS loader like yours
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barnabywalters bret: yep. Not only does it appear that known subdomains don’t support https, neither does withknown.com
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bret (sometime in the very close future)
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barnabywalters bret: what do you mean? something like my enhanceEach() function?
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barnabywalters I didn’t actually implement a JS loader, I use requirejs for that
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bret barnabywalters: yeah like enhanceEach()
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bret I don't really see any other good way of loading random js libraries of a mixed content stream
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barnabywalters bret: nice! feel free to use/build upon my implementation: https://waterpigs.co.uk/js/app.js
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@kevinmarks @8bitkid @lucas_gonze come chat in http://t.co/vzSTuW52UF, or join us at Homebrew Website Club http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/529302204809613312)
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bret barnabywalters: where does the define function come from?
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barnabywalters that comes from requirejs — see http://requirejs.org/
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529056039346266112/529302204809613312 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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bret ah ok
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bret same with bean?
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barnabywalters bean is there because I required it in the top-level define([list of dependencies], callback(dep1, dep2) {… function
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bret oh I'm not familiar with bean
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bret https://github.com/fat/bean ?
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barnabywalters AMD (of which require.js is an implementation) allows you to define your code as a function of it’s dependencies, which makes a lot of sense on the web where dependencies are loaded async
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barnabywalters yup, that’s the library I’m using for event listening
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barnabywalters at this point I could probably get away with ignoring IE and using the built in DOM APIs, or writing my own tiny wrapper for them
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bret ahh i see. yeah that might be a little bit cleaner in the long run. sweet, this all looks doable
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529302204809613312/529305247270055936 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529302204809613312/529305247270055936 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (webmention)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek I'm experimenting with a different summary of Homebrew Website Club for the Mozilla notices of meetings, e.g. see: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2014-11-03#Wednesday.2C_05_November
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Loqi tantek: bear left you a message 1 day ago: thanks - I was hoping my post made sense from the IndieWeb perspective, I have more thoughts but those were the ones that I dashed off before I forgot them
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tantek compared to https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2014-10-20#Wednesday.2C_22_October
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tantek bear++ for dashing off quick thoughts instead of waiting for a longer blog post.
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Loqi bear has 43 karma
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barnabywalters morning tantek
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tantek hi barnabywalters!
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Known (+272) "Added criticism section, no https support" (view diff)
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tantek is there a feature request section? like for import/export?
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barnabywalters a feature req section on the wiki? not that I know of
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barnabywalters I’ve already sent the team the feedback directly using the in-app feedback heart, but thought I should document it on the wiki
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@kevinmarks @8bitkid not offhand, but that's exactly the kind of thing I'd ask in indieweb irc (twitter.com/_/status/529312372989505537)
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bret barnabywalters: do you have any experience with embedded content loaders? (i.e. what boingboing does to their videos? http://boingboing.net/page/2 )
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529302204809613312/529312372989505537 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529302204809613312/529312372989505537 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (webmention)
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barnabywalters ah looks like they’re using embedly
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barnabywalters I’ve never built anything (or used anything other than cassis auto_link) for embedding stuff, but am going to have to for Shrewdness
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bret one thing i noticed when developing on ancient hardware, is that having more than like 1 youtube ebed kills performance and loadtimes
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barnabywalters at the very least, to cache 3rd party images, and more than likely to wrap video and audio embeds with a poster image which loads the content when clicked
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barnabywalters bret: yup, even on my macbook, early version of shrewdness with 5 columns full of 100 posts each hung ff very quickly
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barnabywalters hence the number being reduced to 10 loaded by default from each column
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barnabywalters it was mainly the 3rd party profile photos, but video embeds are even worse
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barnabywalters protesting, bbiab
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/529302204809613312/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-05-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/529302204809613312/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/529056039346266112/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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jonnybarnes hello people
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ben_thatmustbeme hello
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ben_thatmustbeme about to head to lunch but hello anyway
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kylewm KevinMarks_: bret: have you had any luck getting rid of the (www.) for custom domains pointing to a Heroku app?
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bret kylewm: no have not played with custom domains there yet
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tgbrun /msg NickServ identify yanks1
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mko tgbrun: Woops.
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tgbrun mko: you bet, what an idiot!
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mko Pfft. Just a little slip-up. I will say this, though: since these are public logs, you should probably change passwords anywhere that you've used that one.
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kylewm oh interesting, they recommend using www. (or another subdomain) because you can use a CNAME record rather than hard-coding an IP address https://status.heroku.com/incidents/156
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kylewm I'll add that to /Heroku
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aaronpk yes, the inability to set a CNAME record on root domains is a challenge
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Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 3 hours, 29 minutes ago: there’s some weirdness in yesterday’s IRC logs: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-02 specifically http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-02#t1414985075046 — markup bug resulted in that entire last section of the page being treated as a single post in shrewdness
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aaronpk Amazon has a neat trick for that
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aaronpk wow that's a weird glitch
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kylewm ah Amazon does? I was wondering what withknown.com does
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kylewm Route 53 stuff i guess
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aaronpk when you use AWS's DNS service then they basically just set the ttl to 60 seconds and change the A record for you
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kylewm ha, interesting
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gRegor` !tell KartikPrabhu Don't think I can make HWC this week
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm ello.co doesn't have a www.
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kylewm think they are heroku
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kylewm neither does iamshane.com
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@Johannes_Ernst So @aral, what's the difference between the #IndieWeb and what you call Indienet? #confusing (twitter.com/_/status/529345956190253057)
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kylewm.com edited /Heroku (+550) "note about custom domains and www. prefix" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters thanks! Fixed the logs!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@aral @Johannes_Ernst In a nutshell, Indieweb is about the web — a client/server environment. The Indienet is peer-to-peer/distributed. (twitter.com/_/status/529362945491615744)
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@Freerange_Inc those folks who've i just faved multiple historic tweets, its cos' i'm pinboarding relevant links to do with makermovement & indieweb,sorry! (twitter.com/_/status/529368409461764096)
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@Johannes_Ernst @aral IMHO it will be extremely hard for anybody to distinguish terms indieweb vs indienet if they indeed mean different things. (twitter.com/_/status/529373027579203584)
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glennjones Does anyone know if indieauth has the concept of refresh tokens like auth2 and if so is it documented anywhere?
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@kevinmarks @Freerange_Inc I guessed it was something like that. The http://indiewebcamp.com wiki is good for research too - more structured (twitter.com/_/status/529375926530748416)
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aaronpk glennjones: it does not, because it's only the authorization part of oauth2, it doesn't issue access tokens
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glennjones So are the bearer token very long lived then to allow apps like ownyourgram.com to keep working
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aaronpk sorry, do you mean indieauth.com or?
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aaronpk currently all implementations of indieauth issue long-lived access tokens
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/token-endpoint
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aaronpk it doesn't actually make much sense to use refresh tokens because there is no client secret involved either
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glennjones Sorry ro explain, I have mixed my indieauth support into my preexisting token system which is also used for oauth2 - so my bearer token timeout afterr x amount of time. Do need to make them last forever
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aaronpk ah gotcha.
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aaronpk currently no clients expect a refresh token to be returned
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/529375926530748416/88408565 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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aaronpk so if you wanted to use ownyourgram then you'd need to give it a token that lasts forever, or you'd need to log in periodically to give it new tokens
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aaronpk you could for example only issue permanent access tokens to that client ID tho
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/529375926530748416/529376916621770752 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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glennjones OK for indieauth issued tokens I will extend the timeout well into the future, so I dont have to keep logging back into clients - Just want to check I had not missed a refresh feature
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aaronpk cool
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glennjones Have ownyourgram.com and https://quill.p3k.io/ up and working with my transmat.io app. All the devloper related information in the flow was very useful
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk glad to hear it
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aaronpk fun fact. 46.9% of email I received in October ended up in the trash.
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@glennjones The first post to my blog using https://quill.p3k.io/ - with syndication to twitter #indieweb #indieauth #micropub (twitter.com/_/status/529394122780864512)
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bret glennjones++
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Loqi glennjones has 4 karma
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bret what token endpoint are you using?
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bret (or did you write one in node?)
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@larister RT @glennjones: The first post to my blog using https://quill.p3k.io/ - with syndication to twitter #indieweb #indieauth #micropub (twitter.com/_/status/529395717224529921)
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glennjones I built my own, off the oauth2 support transmat already has
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bret nice
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@qubyte RT @glennjones: The first post to my blog using https://quill.p3k.io/ - with syndication to twitter #indieweb #indieauth #micropub (twitter.com/_/status/529396610472890368)
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bret is it pretty integrated into transmit? or could I run it on its own?
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glennjones This use is a bit different in that the links are in my blog http://glennjones.net but all the token and micropub inteaction is handel by https://transmat.io which supplies the content to the blog through an API
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bret ps, the font on transmit.io looks a little funky in safari
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glennjones I am just about to refactor it so it can be installed and run on its own should take around 4 weeks (hopefullly) to rebuild it, so soon
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bret https://www.dropbox.com/s/feyh6rci2p2fq7c/Screenshot%202014-11-03%2014.20.01.png?dl=0
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michielbdejong ah first time i hear about http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub - brilliant! Has anybody considered doing this over CORS?
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michielbdejong I might have a play with that :)
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bret michielbdejong: because its all form encoded, you can make a micro pub client with just an html form and a cookie
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michielbdejong ah right, cross-origin form posts are allowed? didn't think of that
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michielbdejong double the brilliant! :)
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glennjones bret thanks for pointing that out, too light a weight – different anti aliasing on safari to chrome and firefox, I will fix it
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@brienthess Concerned Known Pro is just going to make it another SILO. At least it doesn't matter, because I can export data. #indieweb @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/529399913776287744)
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@krisshaffer @audreywatters @allistelling These seem like your kind of things. http://webmention.io & https://www.brid.gy/about #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/529404742426832897)
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@elfpavlik #IndieWeb karma & http://tav.espians.com/pecu-allocations-by-tav.html @indiewebcamp @Espians @unhosted @punk_money @tav++ http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2014-10-27/line/1414435772932 (twitter.com/_/status/529406410262458368)
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@indieboxproject Indie Box / UBOS Meeting this Thursday 6:30p at the @hackerdojo. http://www.meetup.com/indiebox/events/215034532/ #indie #IndieIoT #IndieWeb #floss (twitter.com/_/status/529410870254645249)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @indieboxproject: Indie Box / UBOS Meeting this Thursday 6:30p at the @hackerdojo. http://www.meetup.com/indiebox/events/215034532/ #indie #IndieIoT #IndieWeb #fl… (twitter.com/_/status/529411000919797760)
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@indiecomputing RT @indieboxproject: Indie Box / UBOS Meeting this Thursday 6:30p at the @hackerdojo. http://www.meetup.com/indiebox/events/215034532/ #indie #IndieIoT #IndieWeb #fl… (twitter.com/_/status/529415563282759680)
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@brienthess You back up your computer. Why not your social media posts? http://freemydata.co/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/529417066965520384)
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