#indiewebcamp 2014-11-06

2014-11-06 UTC
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KevinMarks hm, I uploaded an svg profile picture to twitter and it made a png
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 14 minutes ago: what was that article you cited that said something like "if you have to moderate the trolling, the trolling has already succeeded." ?
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KevinMarks hm, I remember that but not where i saw it
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npd made it almost all the way to San Francisco before reading that we weren't meeting in person tonight
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YourMom JenniferR
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KartikPrabhu YourMom: use /nick JenniferR to change your nick
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YourMom yeah, muddled that one up
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YourMom altho' thought YourMom stuck not, evidently wrongly :P
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KartikPrabhu lol :)
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YourMom if there's a way to do a thing wrong the first time, I find it
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YourMom it's called experiential learning in some circles, I hear
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kylewm npd: aw sorry about that!
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aaronpk good evening!
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KartikPrabhu YourMom: "it is very difficult to make good mistakes" - Shimura "famous" math guy ;)
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YourMom exactly so!
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YourMom and ... there ARE stupid questions
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aaronpk should we do a talky.io room?
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kylewm aaronpk: I think that would be good
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aaronpk http://talky.io/hwc
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@DaveCZombie RT @paulrobertlloyd: I love the #IndieWeb movement: principled yet _pragmatic_, a collaborative community designing open standards that you… (twitter.com/_/status/530190369737023488)
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aaronpk dora says hi from homebrew website club! https://indiewebcat.com/notes/2014/11/05/3/
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kylewm example repost: https://kylewm.com/2014/10/repost-of-aaron-parecki-we-re-starting-http-aaronparecki-com-tag
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aaronpk here's my repost, it's broken in this view http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/11/05/1/indiewebcat
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aaronpk but looks right here: http://aaronparecki.com/notes?before=2014-11-05-1
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kylewm i am making this so much worse! http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/10/11/2/indiewebcamp#comments
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aaronpk getting better
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aaronpk I think our markup matches now
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/11/05/1/indiewebcat
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aaronpk for the record, we are stuck
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aaronpk I have my design the way I want it (one line at the bottom of the repost saying "November 5, 2014 12:08pm GMT-0800 (reposted on November 5, 2014 12:20pm PST)")
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aaronpk one is the date of the original post, the other is the date of my repost
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aaronpk they link to the original post and my repost respectively
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aaronpk the problem is my repost's URL is now inside the h-cite instead of as a url property of my own h-entry
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kylewm trying aaron's repost markup in shrewdness: https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fnotes%2F2014%2F11%2F05%2F1%2Findiewebcat
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aaronpk this is tricky
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aaronpk two ways to think about it, progressive enhancement vs new post type
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aaronpk the way both kyle and I have done is treating reposts as a new post type, so consumers (readers) need to understand how to handle the class="p-repost-of h-cite" property
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kylewm so I tried wrapping the p-repost-of h-cite in an OUTER e-content div, and got some kind of interesting results
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kylewm https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2F2014%2F10%2Frepost-of-aaron-parecki-we-re-starting-http-aaronparecki-com-tag
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aaronpk the progressive enhancement way would be to not use h-cite, and just use h-entry but have the author be the author of the original post. i'm unsure how you'd add the repost's own properties to that though.
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aaronpk well i feel kind of stuck on repost markup at the moment
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kylewm aaronpk: let's table it, did you have something you were working on that you were going to show off?
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kylewm or was that Dora :)
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aaronpk that was dora and her website :)
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kylewm lol, sweet nice work
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aaronpk ok bye for now! hopefully tantek and others read the logs and will be able to chime in
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kylewm good night!
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Loqi sweet dreams
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YourMom and good luck
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aaronpk for the time being, I added "reposted ___" to my h-entry so it looks less ugly in readers https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fnotes%2F2014%2F11%2F05%2F1%2Findiewebcat
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GWG kylewm: Did you say HWC?
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kylewm https://twitter.com/courtarro/status/530179961307422722
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@courtarro I wanted to post #myfirstwebpage, but Twitter decided it was spam. Nearly 10k tweets ... good time to start spamming 13-year-old links! (twitter.com/_/status/530179961307422722)
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GWG Hello, kylewm
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kylewm hi GWG
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GWG Thanks for the message
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kylewm sure, it looks like talky will be a pretty good option for small groups btw
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kylewm (we only had three)
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kylewm well 4 if you count indiewebcat
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GWG kylewm: I was at work
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GWG I'll be at work till 2015
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kylewm I thought that was probably the case
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GWG I need to get started on IWC Online with ben_thatmust
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@zdfs @stefsull - I'm getting in to this whole #indieweb thing. Still working on the front end locally. (twitter.com/_/status/530230055327117312)
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voxpelli The Guardian just launched a feature that would be perfect for fragmentions, but doesn't look like they have any: https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329
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@wblau select any sentence on the new Guardian site and you can tweet or email it right away. thx 2 @Sherbet_Noin @cantlin https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/529713139961827329)
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voxpelli Would be a perfect case for http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention
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@julien51 If you both use an RSS reader and publish an RSS feed, make sure you self-subscribe to ensure the content is right. #indieweb #selfdogfood (twitter.com/_/status/530349045022486528)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@RSSCircus RT @julien51: If you both use an RSS reader and publish an RSS feed, make sure you self-subscribe to ensure the content is right. #indieweb… (twitter.com/_/status/530360879540609024)
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@kid_OYO Teach #webliteracy 1)Facebook is result of web illiteracy 2)#indieweb is starting point of personal data value 3)make #edu,not only consume! (twitter.com/_/status/530382138106216448)
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upon2020.com edited /Events () "(-773) Removed canceled meetup" (view diff)
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@NZN RT @kid_OYO: Teach #webliteracy 1)Facebook is result of web illiteracy 2)#indieweb is starting point of personal data value 3)make #edu,not… (twitter.com/_/status/530389378192134144)
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@MarcDrummond @tlattimore IndieWeb might have something like that (twitter.com/_/status/530391340031680512)
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@kylewm2 @MarcDrummond @tlattimore totally! That’s pretty much what StatusNet was (Atom + PuSH + Salmon), IndieWeb is doing it with HTTP and HTML :) (twitter.com/_/status/530394180799832064)
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@tlattimore @kylewm2 I had not heard of IndieWeb before. The implementation of Microformats is very intriguing. @MarcDrummond (twitter.com/_/status/530406432307699713)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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GWG Good morning, tantek
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GWG Been working on some things while on hold with the cable company
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tantek updating /Events
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KevinMarks__ Kylewm: got the twitter archive luck problem fixed
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GWG tantek: Need to figure out IWzc Online
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GWG IWC
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tantek what is IWC Online?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IWC Online" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IWC+Online
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KevinMarks__ This thread https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/530269618728751105
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@kevinmarks @isaach is @twitter intentionally rejecting tweets that link to the @internetarchive wayback machine, or did some script get confused? (twitter.com/_/status/530269618728751105)
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GWG ISn't it in there?
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GWG I have to pester aaronpk about access to that IWC youtube channel
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kylewm KevinMarks__: wow that was fast!
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tantek KevinMarks: what is "archive luck" ?
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kylewm tantek: twitter was reporting "malicious activity" if you tried to post a link* to archive.org
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tantek wow. Twitter really is the the worst silo at link blocking now
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tantek no links in DMs
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tantek t.co wrapping
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aaronpk we missed you at HWC last night tantek!
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tantek and then this?
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GWG aaronpk: Before I forget...pester
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tantek aaronpk - I saw! Sorry to miss - had some errands to do.
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aaronpk GWG: taking a look...
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aaronpk tantek: we had a special guest https://indiewebcat.com/notes/2014/11/06/1/indieweb
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GWG aaronpk: I have a friend who got his cat ordained as a minister in one of those online churches.
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GWG Sorry...that is what the indiewebcat page reminded me of.
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tantek oops net glitch - checking logs
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aaronpk GWG: I don't think youtube broadcast will be good for IndieWebCamp Online
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aaronpk it's more for livestreaming events
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aaronpk there's a minute delay on the broadcast too, so not very good for remotely interactive stuff
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GWG aaronpk: ben_thatmust and I were thinking Hangouts on Air
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk k I can add managers to the G+ page
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GWG aaronpk: Basically, the recording of Hangouts on Air would go into the Youtube page
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aaronpk what'ts your google account?
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KevinMarks__ Hangouts on air is a but fiddly, but works OK once you have it sorted
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GWG Mine is +DavidShanske and Ben's is +BenRoberts83
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tantek GWG - perhaps add that to your User: page?
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KevinMarks__ s/but f/bit f/
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Loqi KevinMarks__ meant to say: Hangouts on air is a bit fiddly, but works OK once you have it sorted
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GWG KevinMarks__: That's why we wanted to do a dry run
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tantek maybe even with a rel=me link?
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aaronpk k you are invited!
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GWG tantek: It is on my site, but not on my wiki page
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aaronpk guess I could have looked there :)
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GWG Do people have rel=me on their user profiles on the wiki?
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tantek GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 27 karma
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GWG I've never noticed that
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GWG aaronpk: Did they offer you the vanity URL for the page?
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tantek hmm - my repost related statements here in IRC didn't make it through
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tantek reposting my repost related statements
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tantek (yo dawg)
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tantek re: repost markup - thought I'd solved that and am now curious what the source of confusion was from. perhaps I didn't document enough?
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tantek pretty sure we figured out both repost UI / presentation and markup details at the first IndieWebCamp NYC in April, and I thought I'd documented all that in our notes on that session.
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aaronpk tantek: I couldn't find any documentation on including an h-cite in hte markup on the wiki page
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tantek aaronpk: turn that around - where did you get the idea for that pattern from?
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aaronpk from how I wanted to show it on my site
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GWG Anyone with a G+ account want to follow this?
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GWG https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/117428517899860701753/117428517899860701753/videos
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GWG I think you need some followers to get +IndieWebCamp.
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GWG I'm trying to stake a claim
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finchd GWG: done
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Loqi finchd: tantek left you a message 1 week, 3 days ago: CORS is a good thing. Based on CORS, we've written up some of this: https://indiewebcamp.com/subdomains
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finchd Loqi: guess you do away status by last-spoken, huh?
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Loqi :)
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tantek finchd: Loqi assumes you may not be ready / available to receive a message until you actually *say something*
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tantek it's a decent social assumption
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tantek what is repost?
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Loqi A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites http://indiewebcamp.com/repost
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tantek just notices Dora and indiewebcat.net
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tantek wat
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kylewm aaronpk: ok Dora requiring vouch just cracked me up
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tantek kylewm: it's expected that a cat would be picky about who it interacts with
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GWG !tell ben_thatmust Need to make plans
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm tantek++ omg so true
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Loqi tantek has 114 karma
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GWG !tell ben_thatmustbeme Need to make plans
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sparverius http://indiewebc.at/
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GWG Can't tell which Ben is whcih
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kylewm aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 597 karma
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tantek sparverius: Server not found :/
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ben_thatmustbeme agreed GWG
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GWG aaronpk: Thank you. Can proceed now
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry, been quite busy these last few weeks
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GWG Now must go. Will return around 10:30PM, but will lurk a few times between then and now
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@kevinmarks @wblau @Sherbet_Noin @cantlin very interesting - how are you defining the link? We've got related work at http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/530423000554672128)
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kevinmarks.com edited /fragmention (+101) "/* Related work */" (view diff)
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aaronpk indiewebc.at would be a funny shorturl for her
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tantek aaronpk: or even iwc.at :P
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aaronpk that one is sadly taken
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tantek !tell KevinMarks, KartikPrabhu probably worth capturing this image as an inline-UI for creating marginalia https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 - replace the twitter/email buttons with a "->" post/reply buttons and do="post", do="reply" /webactions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /repost (+59) "move How to publish to right after Why to make it more discoverable" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: did you read my notes from last night about the challenges I was having with repost markup?
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tantek aaronpk: nothing about h-cite here: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#How_to_Publish and not sure how it is any more complicated than posting a /like either.
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aaronpk right but do you see why I need to use h-cite rather than h-entry?
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tantek that's the part I didn't understand
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@kevinmarks "“This is a federated model of identity, not a centralised one,” said Janet Hughes" http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/06/govuk-quietly-disrupts-the-problem-of-online-identity-login?CMP=share_btn_tw #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530425069084753920)
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tantek aaronpk: a-ha! you haven't implemented /like either: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek thus this is your first time implementing /like or /repost and confronting the issues of doing so.
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/530423000554672128/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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aaronpk so the repost post has properties of its own, such as date reposted, who reposted it, and I expect I will add additional tags to a repost that wasn't in the original
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aaronpk this isn't a problem if I just want my site to show something like "aaronpk reposted a link"
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@ken_bauer RT @kevinmarks: "“This is a federated model of identity, not a centralised one,” said Janet Hughes" http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/06/govuk-quietly-disrupts-the-problem-of-online-identity-login?CMP=share_btn_tw #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530425593373159424)
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aaronpk but if I want my site to show reposts the way twitter shows them (and the way I am showing them now) then it's a problem
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kylewm aaronpk: I think that Dora doesn't accept aaronparecki.com as vouch :P
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aaronpk kylewm: that is true... she hasn't linked to me yet
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@thosecloudguys RT @julien51: If you both use an RSS reader and publish an RSS feed, make sure you self-subscribe to ensure the content is right. #indieweb… (twitter.com/_/status/530426133586935809)
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tantek aaronpk - did you look at all the existing indieweb examples of /repost or /like to see how they addressed this question?
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KartikPrabhu yo
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: probably worth capturing this image as an inline-UI for creating marginalia https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 - replace the twitter/email buttons with a "->" post/reply buttons and do="post", do="reply" /webactions
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aaronpk tantek: yes, nobody is displaying reposts the way I want to display them
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KartikPrabhu yes... and a "get link" button too
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aaronpk kylewm was the closest
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tantek aaronpk - also - worth capturing that question (want my site to show reposts the way twitter shows them) to a new subsection here: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Challenges along with a screenshot illustrating what you mean by "the way twitter shows them"
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aaronpk i mean kylewm actually shows them the way I want to but had similar challenges with the markup
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tantek let's capture your UX goal first
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tantek that will help a lot - a screenshot so we're all looking and talking about the same thing
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tantek otherwise it starts to sound abstract and maybe a bit to plumbing (markup) centric
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tantek s/bit to/bit too
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Loqi tantek meant to say: otherwise it starts to sound abstract and maybe a bit too plumbing (markup) centric
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aaronpk k one sec
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tantek aaronpk - note that I have captured some historical Twitter repost/retweet UI/presentation screenshots for this exact reason: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Twitter - however an updated screenshot of what it looks like now would be very helpful to see what you're talking about
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tantek KartikPrabhu: did that make sense re: https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1
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@wblau select any sentence on the new Guardian site and you can tweet or email it right away. thx 2 @Sherbet_Noin @cantlin https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/529713139961827329)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yup. totally. Use webactions to post "reposts" "reply-to" or "bookmark-of" a sentence using fragmention
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tantek KartikPrabhu: great! would love to see you capture that "in the wild" UX somehow on the /marginalia page
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KartikPrabhu I have a model of such a UI which just gives the fragmentioned link. Have to deploy it
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tantek because right now the process of posting a marginalia takes too many steps
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KartikPrabhu agreed
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tantek and documenting good UX examples that solve the problem is step 1 towards a general indieweb UX solution
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KartikPrabhu hence I was urging tilgovi that hypothesis should support fragmention and micropub
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tantek KartikPrabhu: sure - that's different though - that's advocacy
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tantek don't wait for that - document the Guardian example first
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tantek aaronpk: in case it helps, here are my in progress implementation notes for how I'm implementing reposts of tweets at least: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#implement_reposts_of_tweets
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KartikPrabhu cool... will be travelling to a conference soon, will do it tonight through hotel wifi!
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kylewm the tricky part about reposts for me is that i had previously tuned them for dispaly in shrewdness, so it would basically look like a first class post from the person being reposted
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reedstrm GWG following
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kylewm but that was not the right way to mark them up to notify that person about WHO reposted them
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tantek thank KartikPrabhu!
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tantek kylewm: ouch! "tuned them for display in shrewdness" is not a great way to do design! it's like coding websites for one browser at a time.
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tantek see 1990s style web dev
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kylewm acegiak should really be in this list of indieweb examples
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KartikPrabhu hmm should have documented the Medium UI for sentence tweeting too
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes!
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kylewm definitely the most prolific user of repost
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tantek can you at least capture those links on the /marginalia page for existing UIs and note they need to be expanded / embedded with a screenshot needed inline?
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KartikPrabhu yeah. but what is a good section for these?
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KartikPrabhu posting interfaces?
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@martingeddes RT @kevinmarks: "“This is a federated model of identity, not a centralised one,” said Janet Hughes" http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/06/govuk-quietly-disrupts-the-problem-of-online-identity-login?CMP=share_btn_tw #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530428827651297283)
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kylewm aw tantek that's a little harsh, i don't mean i hacked them up to workaround quirks in shrewdness. i mean that i marked them up as if the other person had posted directly on my site
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tantek kylewm - ok phew :)
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tantek your phrasing scared me ;)
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tantek (too many bad memories / flashbacks)
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kylewm :)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /marginalia (+139) "/* Medium */ add "tweet this UI"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+1293) "move last night's HWC to recent, note last week's W3C Social Web Working Group meeting, add 2015 upcoming section to surface these events sooner" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme what tantek, you don't want to test your site in every version of IE to make sure it works?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: just IE5.1/Mac on an old MacOS9 box ;)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /marginalia (+110) "/* Silo Examples */ add guardian to be expanded" (view diff)
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tantek wonders if the Guardian is a silo or more like an example of a non-indie "Other Publishers"
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reedstrm KartikPrabhu: was just going to point back at medium for the fragmention UI stuff - the notes there are very nice.
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KartikPrabhu yeah. non-individual publisher I think
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KartikPrabhu reedstrm: which notes where?
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reedstrm KartikPrabhu: just agreeing w/ you and tantek: medium.com
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:twitter-repost-example.png]]""
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KartikPrabhu oh i understand! :)
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KartikPrabhu needs more coffee :P
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reedstrm Lots of nice touches: "leave a note for <authorname>" etc.
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KartikPrabhu reedstrm: yes. those UI elements should be adapted for a indieweb reply-to sort of deal
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KevinMarks hm, I think I want to change the savepublishing.com bookmarklet to use frgamentions and post to micropub
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 29 minutes ago: probably worth capturing this image as an inline-UI for creating marginalia https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 - replace the twitter/email buttons with a "->" post/reply buttons and do="post", do="reply" /webactions
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reedstrm Any idea of the tech in use? Is it all bespoke-proprietary? (Haven't done a view-source-debug deep dive ...)
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aaronpk I don't know how to describe how twitter displays retweets
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KartikPrabhu reedstrm: you mean Medium? Yeah looks all closed source Javascript stuff
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aaronparecki.com edited /repost (+218) "/* Challenges */ add twitter repost example" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu actually if JS fails you don't see the side-notes :P
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KevinMarks whats the best "post to your existing micropub endpoint" using cookies that works as a replacement for for https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=
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KevinMarks would quill work?
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tantek aaronpk re: "I don't know how to describe how twitter displays retweets", describe each chunk of text or graphic, top to bottom, left to right, in a flat list. quote and explain.
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cweiske using cookies?
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: i don't think thats much of a change in amplification. they still have to pull down the site the initial time to get the WM endpoint. and since its time based they can make a number of calls before the endpoint expires
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aaronpk how's that? Twitter displays retweets on a person's stream identical to how it appears on the original author's stream with a little note at the top "Aaron Parecki retweeted".
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KevinMarks I put the grauniad in related work
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tantek aaronpk, describe each chunk of text or graphic, top to bottom, left to right, e.g. start with: "This Twitter retweet presentation starts with a green retweet icon ..."
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@LifeHealthDiary Where is the health literacy disconnect? http://blog.lifetimehealthdiary.com/doctors-need-create-culture-health-literacy/ #health #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/530431999048429568)
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@joelgaines Where is the health literacy disconnect? http://blog.lifetimehealthdiary.com/doctors-need-create-culture-health-literacy/ #health #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/530431999170080768)
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tantek "… then 'Aaron Parecki' - which is the display name of the person doing the retweeting followed by the word 'retweeted' which is presumably localized."
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tantek etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, my take on it, is that my webmention receives are non-realtime. I have a cron job that will run every 5 minutes. and if someone submits the same mention more than once, it still only keeps 1 entry. so the most they could really pull down is only 1 pull per 5 minutes
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tantek by breaking down a screenshot like that into the individual pieces/components/meanings of each thing, we can then come up with markup to represent each of them
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aaronpk well that assumes I want to display it exactly as twitter does, which is not quite true
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ben_thatmustbeme though I suppose if they kept saying that it referred to different pages on my site, they could do it, but there is an upper limit on that since they can only do it as many times as pages they can find. and simply caching data pulled from external sites kills that off completely
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tantek aaronpk - nope, this is the analysis you start with
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: totally, I think danlyke cited a time delay as another way to mitigate those attacks
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tantek then you can fork your display from that
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aaronpk k
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KevinMarks is the tumblr repost model more relevant if the post isn't a note?
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tantek that's the point, by first analyzing the exact existing display, it increases understanding which helps you make more informed design forking changes
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tantek KevinMarks please replace "isn't a note" with a specific concrete post type, and then post a screenshot of said post type from Tumblr
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aaronparecki.com edited /repost (+231) "/* Display */ rephrase" (view diff)
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KevinMarks I don't use tumblr - does anyone else here? I can show g+ examples
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KevinMarks also wordpress.com examples I discovered in their reader
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tantek KevinMarks: did you check existing /repost#Silo_Examples ?
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy-3 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy-3 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC_People (pingback)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+410) "/* Display */ listify, add observation about second green retweeted icon" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ this is the kind of list / analysis that I mean - note the detail about the second green retweet icon
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tantek also if you can get a direct image src reference to the white-on-green retweet icon, and the green-retweet-icon, adding those to the list would also help
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tantek also interesting that there's no "View Summary" link in the bottom right corner, unlike the tweet above the retweet
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tantek hmm - noticing Twitters examples documented on the page are all different
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:plusshare.png]]""
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kevinmarks.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:plusshare.png]]"" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /repost (+383) "/* Twitter */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:plusshareposting.png]]""
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tantek hey KevinMarks do you have rights to publish all those CC0?
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:plusshareresult.png]]""
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KevinMarks I made them and fair use on the content
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tantek KevinMarks: since these UIs change (often), could you please put the date in the name of the uploads? rename accordingly
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KevinMarks Note that G+ has a different share icon than they use elsewher
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tantek is editing the twitter section now where we have something like 3-4 DIFFERENT Twitter retweet UIs
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tantek KevinMarks - yes you should note that :P
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KevinMarks http://indiewebcamp.com/File:plusshareresult.png shows the date
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tantek.com moved /File:retweet.png to /File:2013-08-16-retweet.png "datestamp screenshots of UIs because they often change"
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tantek.com moved /File:twitter-repost-example.png to /File:2014-11-06-twitter-in-stream-repost.png "Datestamp UI screenshots because they often change"
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tantek KevinMarks: requires one more step, e.g. for editors of the wiki pages that embed them - also makes it too easy to override unintentionally later
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tantek also a generic name implies the screenshot should/may be updated
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tantek whereas all our embedded uses thereof are specifically fo date-frozen screenshots for analysis
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tantek so it makes sense to put the date in the name
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tantek.com edited /repost (+69) "merge challenge/display example into existing Silo Examples Twitter section with datestamped subsections" (view diff)
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tantek oops did I collide
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tantek apologies KevinMarks, will fix
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tantek oh wait - looks like MediaWiki didn't delete the G+ section, cool
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tantek will move to after FB, in rough relevance order
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tantek.com edited /repost (+237) "move Google+ to after FB, and note need screenshots for FB" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+131) "/* Twitter */ Twitter use of silo-specific term" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+0) "/* Twitter */ original author information, not PoV" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+1) "/* 2014-08-29 retweet in stream */ cr" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+441) "/* Display */ reference twitter examples, and attempt to ask the question(s) that it sounded like aaronpk was asking, cite previous work exploring this at IndieWebCampNYC" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - I tried to capture your questions / issues here: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Display
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tantek and referenced previous work
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tantek kylewm - interested in your thoughts on http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Display also
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tantek aaronpk - in particular, I'm interested in what you want to show/display differently than twitter for your reposts, both on permalinks and in-stream. Definitely feel free to add a subsection with your specific thoughts to http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Display
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@motters Interest in Facebook peaked at the end of 2012 and is now following the MySpace curve downwards. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530446686326640642)
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tantek kylewm when you were tweaking your repost markup to help out Shrewdness, did you consider or worry about colliding with the problem of people spoofing posts from others? i.e. does repost markup look too much like someone spoofing a post by someone else? http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship#Spoofing
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tantek kylewm, and is there something special/particular about your repost markup that *could* permit a reader to verify that your repost markedup content is an accurate representation of the original? And if so, should we write up reader implementation guidance for how to verify repost(ed) original content/author authenticity?
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KevinMarks shoudl I document the wordpress repost experience too?
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tantek !tell kylewm any background or more information on this? https://twitter.com/courtarro/status/530179961307422722 - if you find anything out, perhaps add a new subsection to /Twitter#Criticism
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek KevinMarks: for Wordpress.com or self-install? would be helpful to have both.
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KevinMarks wordpress.com (it has a reader bar now by default)
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tantek then yes, at the bottom of http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Silo_Examples
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@erichansander You had me at "indie", @indiewebcamp! ♥ (twitter.com/_/status/530452982908063744)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/530423000554672128/530453431262392321 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/530423000554672128/530452678502252544 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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@motters Trends in Social Media http://computationalist.uk.to/2014/11/trends-in-social-media #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530458053095985153)
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davidpeach hello
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davidpeach can anybody help me confirm something before I click the publish button on a post?
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kylewm maybe :)
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 47 minutes ago: any background or more information on this? https://twitter.com/courtarro/status/530179961307422722 - if you find anything out, perhaps add a new subsection to /Twitter#Criticism
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kylewm tantek: that was the same issue KevinMarks got sorted out with twitter...marking archive.org links as spam. apparently just a temporary bug
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davidpeach I am writing about setting up indie webon wordpress and since I just installed all the indie web plugins with realising what each one did, I wanted to confirm I was correct be publishing
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davidpeach some bits i know
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Loqi [mention] http://pfauth.com/tweet/2198102682/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/notes (webmention)
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@ejpfauth So the guys from @IndieWebCamp want us to tweet from our sites. Does this one (through @IFTTT) count? Follow Ernst-Jan Pfauth to not mis... (twitter.com/_/status/530464418342387713)
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snarfed_ hey kylewm, want to add anything to https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy before I publish it more widely?
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kylewm snarfed: congratulations on hitting 1000 and post looks great! i really appreciate the (too) kind words :)
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@motters Tantek Çelik - The once and future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/530472698515030017)
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reedstrm snarfed: you sure that's not exponential? Look better than linear to me. At small numbers, it can look surprisingly flat. (my inner science geek is twitching)
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@reedstrm "This is my favorite kind of UX: none at all. (And thank God for that, since I’m worthless at UX design.)" by @tantek #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530478325433901056)
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reedstrm Gah, just got bit by twitter's "if it starts w/ @id it's a reply" when I wanted to just attribute. Sorry about the dup, tantek
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kylewm reedstrm: s/@tantek/@schnarfed :)
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reedstrm Dankgit! How the heck did I do that! more coffee needed!
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aaronpk mm coffee
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reedstrm I know what happened, I was reading snarfed's post and listening to tantek's talk at (too close to) the same time!
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snarfed_ reedstrm: maybe it's exponential! who knows. small enough dataset that I'm reluctant to try to hard to fit a curve, but who knows
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snarfed_ I'll see if I can make the raw data public
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reedstrm np: like I said, inner data-fitter twitched
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snarfed_ raw data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VhGiZ9Z9PEl7f9ciiVZZgupNcUTsRVltQ8_CqFETpfU/edit?usp=docslist_api
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GWG snarfed, happy 1000
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snarfed_ thanks GWG!
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GWG snarfed, I'm sorry about the support.
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reedstrm my lesson for the day: don't use an interface that isn't your primary one, even for just 'one quick post' - you'll put your foot in it ( or at least, I will)
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snarfed_ GWG: I'm not! every time was an actual bug or something else worth fixing!
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GWG reedstrm, what happened?
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reedstrm my attempt at a clever tweet, that I 1. sent as a reply first, then 2. mis-attributed, one it was 'to the world'.
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GWG snarfed, I hope someday to return the favor by doing the same
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snarfed_ GWG: sure!
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GWG snarfed, it may not be helping you
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GWG I'll help someone
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GWG Oh, and kylewm, I appreciate you too.
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bear snarfed_ - great post and congrats on the milestone!
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snarfed thanks bear!
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@bear "This is my favorite kind of UX: none at all." - congrats for reaching a 1000 users - https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530486685952655362)
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@kevinmarks RT @bear: "This is my favorite kind of UX: none at all." - congrats for reaching a 1000 users - https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/530492097485606912)
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KevinMarks__ Open source emoji, for chrome add old ie: https://blog.twitter.com/2014/open-sourcing-twitter-emoji-for-everyone
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KevinMarks__ s/add/and/
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Loqi KevinMarks__ meant to say: Open source emoji, for chrome and old ie: https://blog.twitter.com/2014/open-sourcing-twitter-emoji-for-everyone
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snarfed for the morbidly curious: here's how i generated the graphs in that bridgy 1000th user post: https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy#comment-2583731
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bret snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 51 karma
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tantek snarfed++ great post and congratulations!!!
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Loqi snarfed has 52 karma
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tantek KevinMarks: perhaps add the twemoji thing to /Twitter somewhere ? https://github.com/twitter/twemoji https://blog.twitter.com/2014/open-sourcing-twitter-emoji-for-everyone (and nice find!)
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tantek and apparently on wordpress.com too: http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2014/11/06/emoji-everywhere/
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tantek what is emoji?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "emoji" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=emoji
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tantek like http://www.iemoji.com/emoji-cheat-sheet/all
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