LoqiKevinMarks: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 14 minutes ago: what was that article you cited that said something like "if you have to moderate the trolling, the trolling has already succeeded." ?
aaronpkI have my design the way I want it (one line at the bottom of the repost saying "November 5, 2014 12:08pm GMT-0800 (reposted on November 5, 2014 12:20pm PST)")
aaronpkthe way both kyle and I have done is treating reposts as a new post type, so consumers (readers) need to understand how to handle the class="p-repost-of h-cite" property
aaronpkthe progressive enhancement way would be to not use h-cite, and just use h-entry but have the author be the author of the original post. i'm unsure how you'd add the repost's own properties to that though.
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tantekpretty sure we figured out both repost UI / presentation and markup details at the first IndieWebCamp NYC in April, and I thought I'd documented all that in our notes on that session.
Loqifinchd: tantek left you a message 1 week, 3 days ago: CORS is a good thing. Based on CORS, we've written up some of this: https://indiewebcamp.com/subdomains
LoqiA repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites http://indiewebcamp.com/repost
aaronpkso the repost post has properties of its own, such as date reposted, who reposted it, and I expect I will add additional tags to a repost that wasn't in the original
LoqiKartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: probably worth capturing this image as an inline-UI for creating marginalia https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 - replace the twitter/email buttons with a "->" post/reply buttons and do="post", do="reply" /webactions
tantekaaronpk - also - worth capturing that question (want my site to show reposts the way twitter shows them) to a new subsection here: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Challenges along with a screenshot illustrating what you mean by "the way twitter shows them"
tantekaaronpk - note that I have captured some historical Twitter repost/retweet UI/presentation screenshots for this exact reason: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Twitter - however an updated screenshot of what it looks like now would be very helpful to see what you're talking about
kylewmthe tricky part about reposts for me is that i had previously tuned them for dispaly in shrewdness, so it would basically look like a first class post from the person being reposted
tantekcan you at least capture those links on the /marginalia page for existing UIs and note they need to be expanded / embedded with a screenshot needed inline?
kylewmaw tantek that's a little harsh, i don't mean i hacked them up to workaround quirks in shrewdness. i mean that i marked them up as if the other person had posted directly on my site
tantek.comedited /Events (+1293) "move last night's HWC to recent, note last week's W3C Social Web Working Group meeting, add 2015 upcoming section to surface these events sooner" (view diff)
LoqiKevinMarks: tantek left you a message 29 minutes ago: probably worth capturing this image as an inline-UI for creating marginalia https://twitter.com/wblau/status/529713139961827329/photo/1 - replace the twitter/email buttons with a "->" post/reply buttons and do="post", do="reply" /webactions
tantekaaronpk re: "I don't know how to describe how twitter displays retweets", describe each chunk of text or graphic, top to bottom, left to right, in a flat list. quote and explain.
ben_thatmustbemekylewm: i don't think thats much of a change in amplification. they still have to pull down the site the initial time to get the WM endpoint. and since its time based they can make a number of calls before the endpoint expires
aaronpkhow's that? Twitter displays retweets on a person's stream identical to how it appears on the original author's stream with a little note at the top "Aaron Parecki retweeted".
tantekaaronpk, describe each chunk of text or graphic, top to bottom, left to right, e.g. start with: "This Twitter retweet presentation starts with a green retweet icon ..."
tantek"… then 'Aaron Parecki' - which is the display name of the person doing the retweeting followed by the word 'retweeted' which is presumably localized."
ben_thatmustbemekylewm, my take on it, is that my webmention receives are non-realtime. I have a cron job that will run every 5 minutes. and if someone submits the same mention more than once, it still only keeps 1 entry. so the most they could really pull down is only 1 pull per 5 minutes
tantekby breaking down a screenshot like that into the individual pieces/components/meanings of each thing, we can then come up with markup to represent each of them
ben_thatmustbemethough I suppose if they kept saying that it referred to different pages on my site, they could do it, but there is an upper limit on that since they can only do it as many times as pages they can find. and simply caching data pulled from external sites kills that off completely
tantekthat's the point, by first analyzing the exact existing display, it increases understanding which helps you make more informed design forking changes
tantekalso if you can get a direct image src reference to the white-on-green retweet icon, and the green-retweet-icon, adding those to the list would also help
tantekKevinMarks: requires one more step, e.g. for editors of the wiki pages that embed them - also makes it too easy to override unintentionally later
tantek.comedited /repost (+441) "/* Display */ reference twitter examples, and attempt to ask the question(s) that it sounded like aaronpk was asking, cite previous work exploring this at IndieWebCampNYC" (view diff)
tantekaaronpk - in particular, I'm interested in what you want to show/display differently than twitter for your reposts, both on permalinks and in-stream. Definitely feel free to add a subsection with your specific thoughts to http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Display
tantekkylewm when you were tweaking your repost markup to help out Shrewdness, did you consider or worry about colliding with the problem of people spoofing posts from others? i.e. does repost markup look too much like someone spoofing a post by someone else? http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship#Spoofing
tantekkylewm, and is there something special/particular about your repost markup that *could* permit a reader to verify that your repost markedup content is an accurate representation of the original? And if so, should we write up reader implementation guidance for how to verify repost(ed) original content/author authenticity?
davidpeachI am writing about setting up indie webon wordpress and since I just installed all the indie web plugins with realising what each one did, I wanted to confirm I was correct be publishing
reedstrmsnarfed: you sure that's not exponential? Look better than linear to me. At small numbers, it can look surprisingly flat. (my inner science geek is twitching)
reedstrmmy lesson for the day: don't use an interface that isn't your primary one, even for just 'one quick post' - you'll put your foot in it ( or at least, I will)