#indiewebcamp 2014-11-09

2014-11-09 UTC
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@benwerd If you're motivated by #iamindie, check out the grassroots #indieweb movement: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/531242084066263040)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/if-youre-motivated-by-iamindie-check-out-the-grassroots-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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bret is there anything I can do with a geo url easily? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_URI
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GWG Such as?
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@mattl "@benwerd: If you're motivated by #iamindie, check out the grassroots #indieweb movement: http://t.co/IgcH3C7eef" (twitter.com/_/status/531244523125743616)
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npdoty bret, in theory, the browser could recognize the scheme and show it to the user in their preferred mapping service
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bret GWG: like geo tags that come in on micropub POSTS that relate to a note
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npdoty you could add a bit of javascript in your page so that when you referred to a place you included a geo URI and then had a little click handler so that the user loaded an HTTP page to OpenStreetMap or whatever
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bret npdoty: thats a good idae
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bret idea*
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bret i was thinking of adding a static map image, but I'm not really sure how useful or interesting that might be
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npdoty I think the static image could be useful too, depending on how well it integrates with the rest of your design
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npdoty is logging off for a while
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tantek reads logs and sees a lot of strange non really applicable to indieweb (certainly not sefdogfood) discussions
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GWG Which ones/
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GWG The pool?
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@kevinmarks @eastgate your proposal is similar to http://indiewebcamp.com expecting you to use your own domain + auth to log in, but that is exclusive (twitter.com/_/status/531256883739238400)
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tantek GWG, 1. I don't understand car's complaining about so many things, 2. HiddenID, 3. being poor / visa issues
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tantek I'll try a few topics in reverse order
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tantek bret, are you posting geo URLs on your site currently?
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bret tantek: i have the data, not doing anything with them yet
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bret but its a template tag away from something
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/adactio/531149585205297152/11628 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tantek bret - which data, raw lat long?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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bret tantek: whatever comes back from a micropub request, so Place-name and location: "geo:45.524813313,-122.681201062" for example
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bret displaying a place-name is obvious, what to do with the geo link is a bit less obvious
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tantek place name and location sounds like a /venue
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bret it comes along with a photo or note
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tantek bret - what do silos do with location/geo links? and which of those behaviors do you feel is the best experience?
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bret i guess I could create a place-name tag and use that as a venue search of sorts
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tantek bret - if you're trying to figure out a good UX for some data, look at how other services do UX for that kind of data, document it, note the shortcomings in their interactions (e.g. Twitter showing "Paris, Paris"), and do something similar but better.
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KevinMarks_ What do you all think of this? http://www.markbernstein.org/Nov14/Trolls.html
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tantek KevinMarks, my answer /vouch
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tantek at least for personal sites
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tantek for communities, we have /code-of-conduct
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tantek at least for abuse
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tantek for just general unpleasantness or unproductive conversation, we have a community that applies the Socratic and scientific methods and asks questions "how does this apply to your personal site?" and go from there
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tantek KevinMarks: what do you think of http://indiewebcamp.com/expiring_content ?
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pdurbin KevinMarks_: I don't mind people writing anonymously, as is common here on freenode. People typically behave themselves.
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kylewm is there any evidence that real names even help prevent abuse?
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kylewm the comments on youtube or a site that has facebook comments doesn't really bear that out...
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tantek kylewm: well, anecdotally, I see a lot less spam and abuse on FB
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tantek than say, twitter, or even IG
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tantek youtube does not require realnames
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pdurbin IG?
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kylewm not anymore I guess
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kylewm I don't mean *on FB*, but sites that have FB comments
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kylewm people seem to be equally horrible
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GWG kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 79 karma
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tantek what is IG?
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KevinMarks__ I think that's more due to the huge moderation teams fb +YouTube employ
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IG" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IG
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tantek.com created /IG (+23) "r" (view diff)
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kylewm oh! yeah i heard about that on TWiG, the poor souls who have to find and remove bad content from facebook
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tantek what is IG?
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Loqi Instagram is a popular image hosting silo most well known for square photos that have been processed with an image filter http://indiewebcamp.com/IG
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pdurbin oh
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KevinMarks__ Thing is, his ID proposal isn't that different from requiring your own domain (though the logarithmic cost of pseudonyms is odd)
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kylewm I agree with tantek's point about community/code of conduct, I thought this stated it rather well https://alexgaynor.net/2014/oct/30/i-hope-twitter-goes-away/
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tantek KevinMarks: not really interested in yet another ID proposal - always filter with the question, are you using it on your own site? or when do you plan to?
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kylewm (I probably got that link from one of you)
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tantek if those questions aren't answered, I've reached the point where such proposals are not worth paying any attention to
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tantek your bar may vary
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kylewm "Every user floats by themselves, interacting with who they please. This denies us the ability to build communities, to set social norms, and to enforce them."
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tantek kylewm: sounds like a good candidate for /Twitter#Criticism
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kylewm good call
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pdurbin sometimes people wanna float :)
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pdurbin KevinMarks__: so the proposal is for several competing identity registrars?
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tantek speaking of identity, is car, cr, cadr, carmen all the same person?
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kylewm.com edited /Twitter (+654) "/* Developer Relations */ added section on Community with Alex Gaynor citation" (view diff)
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tantek that's the closest we have to any kind of identity issue in this channel, and they're not really sock puppets as they're similar enough to imply the same identity
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tantek but there's a real world example for identity related discussions here if people are interested in that
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pdurbin kylewm: nice post. you might also like the "The trouble with Twitter" section of http://www.computerworld.com/article/2491238/social-media/the-trouble-with-trolls-and-how-to-beat-them.html
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pdurbin tantek: where are you seeing all those variations?
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KevinMarks__ Eastgate's proposal bothered me because it was so obviously elitist and naïve, but then it reminded me of requiring your own domain (which does need money, a name and address etc)
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tantek pdurbin, check IRC logs for the past several weeks
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tantek appears to be the same person speaking (tone, topics, attitude) when it is butter, cr, car, cadr, carmen, tet, tot
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pdurbin tantek: ah. well, I figure KevinMarks KevinMarks_ and KevinMarks__ are the same person. :)
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tantek pdurbin: sure, punctuation variant is different than spelling
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kylewm the hand-waviness bothered me more ... holding identity in escrow, to be released if the person does something bad. who is doing the escrow, who decides what constitutes "bad"
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pdurbin kylewm: no kidding. sounds pretty centralized
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pdurbin oddly, I'm throwing away old paperwork right now and happened upon a mindmap I did about identity a few years ago :)
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kylewm pdurbin: sounds from that article like Google+ has a much better implemetnation of block than twitter
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pdurbin kylewm: it's a double edged sword. you don't own your comments on Google+ (the ones you make on other people's posts). this is different than Twitter
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pdurbin kylewm: so not only can you block... you can simply delete comments you don't like
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KevinMarks__ Which is what Tantek praised about flickr block I think,, but does require a central authority
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KevinMarks__ Also subsidiary relationship of comments
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pdurbin it looks like comments at https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/11/01/1/ for example were collected from Twitter but I assume aaronpk could delete them if he wanted, that they are stored on his site somehow
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: If you're motivated by #iamindie, check out the grassroots #indieweb movement: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/531281197419487234)
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KevinMarks__ Right. The stuff documented in the post linked from Eastgate is shocking and distributed. Strategic deletions, all kinds of organised harrasment
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KevinMarks__ I don't think there can be technical fixes for that, they require community Action too
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/531281197419487234 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@THEINNSERIES RT @soapfanfiction: Saturday Night! Come Check INN. Don't mind the screams! #indieweb fun @THEINNSERIES http://www.prettytheseries.com or @JTSTV ht… (twitter.com/_/status/531283222785572864)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/24877700 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/758056 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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jnymck does anyone know of more detailed installation docs for Known besides http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/install/instructions.html ?
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jnymck looking for something along the lines of http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/hosting-wordpress.html
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GWG I'd better find my webcam for tomorrow.
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aaronpk what's tomorrow?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme and I were going to try a dry run for next week...
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aaronpk ah nice
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aaronpk what time? i might be able to join you
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GWG I think we said about 10AM Eastern
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aaronpk oh! I will probably be up by then!
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GWG Getting the camera replugged. I have a better one, but I left it somewhere
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aaronpk i'm not actually sure where mine went... I should find it
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GWG aaronpk: I remember last time. You have a lot of whiteboards
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bret kylewm: i updated the readme to base if you are curious https://github.com/bcomnes/base I added a general outline of what is done and what is coming for that
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/17958179 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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tommorris grumbles and writes http://microformats.org/wiki/free-specifications
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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TheNewYorker Good Morning!
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TheNewYorker Does anyone have any thoughts on representing Time in a url?
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TheNewYorker I'm not getting a strong sense of whether it is safe to use a colon as in HH:MM:SS or not.
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aaronpk TheNewYorker: what do you mean exactly? I use a format like 2014/11/09/061400 for my URLs
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aaronpk I believe colons are safe to use in the path of a URL
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aaronpk http://www.skorks.com/2010/05/what-every-developer-should-know-about-urls/
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TheNewYorker sorry, my chat froze
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TheNewYorker I was thinking of /march/15/2014/12:57pm/
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ben_thatmust GWG: just getting set up now
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GWG Oh, you are setting it up? I thought I was?
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ben_thatmust you are
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ben_thatmust i'm getting myself set up
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ben_thatmust (headphones etc)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I think aaronpk said he might stop in.
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ben_thatmust cool
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ben_thatmust i figured we can just use this as sort of planning meeting too
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@indie .@benwerd Hi Ben, just so there’s no confusion, we are not IndieWebCamp and we have different goals w some overlap: https://aralbalkan.com/notes/what-is-the-ind.ie-manifesto/ (twitter.com/_/status/531461041801416705)
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aaronpk good morning!
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ben_thatmust how many times will aral / ind.ie say that before they stop caring
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aaronpk I think he just wanted to have it on record when anybody else views ben's tweet
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ben_thatmust or just write an article actually explaining how they are different
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aaronpk he did, there's a section at the bottom: https://aralbalkan.com/notes/what-is-the-ind.ie-manifesto/##Are+you+the+same+as+IndieWeb?
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ben_thatmust ahh
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ben_thatmust i'm ready to go when you are GWG
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GWG aaronpk: Why are you coming up with 2 accounts?
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aaronpk i have two :(
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aaronpk it's complicated
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/531461041801416705 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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aaronpk why is hangouts not letting me choose the webcam?
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GWG Anyone want to join a test Hangouts?
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GWG https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MJfnWiaCTtA
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GWG That should be the live feed
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GWG Everyone went blank.
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aaronpk GWG: ben_thatmust: https://aaronparecki.com/messages/2014/11/09/1
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (+37) "/* IndieWebCampOnline 2014 */" (view diff)
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GWG https://plus.google.com/b/117428517899860701753/events/c9bp7l39qsuaq2talca4n6gi88k
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (+14) "/* IndieWebCampOnline 2014 */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (+381) (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2014/Online (-2) "/* Schedule */" (view diff)
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GWG If anyone wants to watch ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk, and I playing with the features in a Hangouts on Air, or aaronpk stroking his cat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MJfnWiaCTtA
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GWG Should I list it in the Youtube channel or keep it unlisted?
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aaronpk keep it unlisted
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aaronpk public is fine
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GWG Those two statements contradict
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aaronpk no that's how it works. if it's public but unlisted, anyone who has the link can see it, it just doesn't show up on the youtube channel
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kylewm do you guys have/would you recommend an external mic for participation in IWC Online?
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TheNewYorker What would it be better to format archive URI's as archives/1-55-pm-january-15-2014/home/ or archives/home/1-55-pm-january-27-2014/ ?
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GWG What does the home indicate?
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GWG kylewm, do you wear headphones?
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@davidmead My son, @joshuajohnmead, is blogging. I'm teaching him the way of the #indieweb early :-) http://davidjohnmead.com/2014/11/09/my-son-is-blogging/ (twitter.com/_/status/531495347328000000)
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TheNewYorker home is just an arbitrary resource
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TheNewYorker it would be mapped to home.html but I want to avoid hard coding file extensions
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TheNewYorker everything in the archives section will get fed into a php script that extracts the date component and uses it to select which version of the target resource to serve
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TheNewYorker so a visitor will be able to reconstruct what the site looked like at any point in time
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TheNewYorker on the authoring side I'll have a custom cams written in go that will detect changes to the working directory and preserve a single file corresponding to each unique version of a file's contents along with a log mapping URI's to file versions
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TheNewYorker *custom cms
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TheNewYorker then the temporal dispatch script will work out which version was current for the embedded timestamp in any request.
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GWG So you intend archives to act like a way back machine?
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TheNewYorker I should also auto generate a master change log with crawlable links to the root node for each time index when something actually changed.
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Loqi I agree
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TheNewYorker Exactly, it will be an embedded way back machine for the site
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GWG Interesting. Never seen a site archive with that design.
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TheNewYorker on my last project I got stung by relying on the big Way Back Machine to have captured some lost site revisions that got clobbered by accident
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TheNewYorker and sadly, that revision hadn't been crawled
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TheNewYorker Naturally, I'll Open Source everything once I get it working.
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@erichansander Fun weekend project: containerize #withknown using #Docker - done! @withknown @indiewebcamp https://github.com/ehdr/docker-known https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/ehdr/known/ (twitter.com/_/status/531499796742565889)
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@benwerd RT @erichansander: Fun weekend project: containerize #withknown using #Docker - done! @withknown @indiewebcamp https://github.com/ehdr/docker-known http… (twitter.com/_/status/531499862710185985)
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@withknown RT @erichansander: Fun weekend project: containerize #withknown using #Docker - done! @withknown @indiewebcamp https://github.com/ehdr/docker-known http… (twitter.com/_/status/531499921166200832)
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GWG Hmmm..
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TheNewYorker all file revision will renamed to an hash of their content indexed by the Unix Nano timestamp at which that unique hash was first generated
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@SmaugDragon RT @erichansander: Fun weekend project: containerize #withknown using #Docker - done! @withknown @indiewebcamp https://github.com/ehdr/docker-known http… (twitter.com/_/status/531500463712391169)
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TheNewYorker so internally the CMS will track Logical Name --> Version List --> Crypto Hash based on resource state at that time
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GWG Very complete.
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TheNewYorker and it will generate a JSON database of the timeline that PHP can use to redirect temporal queries
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TheNewYorker and I'll use PHP to embed the revision timestamp in web page titles so multiple revisions can be saved out from the browser
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@kylewm2 RT @benwerd: If you're motivated by #iamindie, check out the grassroots #indieweb movement: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/531501523767808000)
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TheNewYorker eventually I'll set up a javascript widget for temporal navigation across site revisions
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TheNewYorker One thing I'm undecided on is whether I should build in retroactive redaction of previously published content
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TheNewYorker What do you think, GWG?
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GWG Well, what might you redact?
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TheNewYorker someone might claim copyright to a graphic that I pulled in from an ostensibly public domain source
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TheNewYorker that is the use case that springs to mind
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/531242084066263040/531501523767808000 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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GWG Well, how would you implement it?
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TheNewYorker in that case I might include a redaction link in the timeline database to redirect to the nearest equivalent resource (i.e. a transparent png with a "redacted" caption or say a substitute web page with a callout that "The material originally appearing here was redacted due to copyright uncertainty")
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TheNewYorker also I'd have to relocate the potentially infringing content to a directory above my web root just to play it safe
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TheNewYorker or block it off from direct access in my htaccess file
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TheNewYorker I might also want to implement an Errata mechanism in PHP so I could preserve the original content but also splice in a widget to demonstrate that the page had been revised to correct a broken url or embarrassing typo.
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TheNewYorker That would just be a map of actual file versions to errata notes.
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TheNewYorker With the standard Way Back Machine you can't annotate an old page with a corrected URL
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TheNewYorker so I want to account for that case
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TheNewYorker of course then I'd need to also version errata themselves, in case I picked up an errata error!
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TheNewYorker but that might be getting too meta
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TheNewYorker anyhow time for me to head out, have a great afternoon guys
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GWG Looking forward to next Sunday
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@wilkieii @tef the naive algorithm in the [place that shall not be named] is: http://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch So apparently they are thinking about this. hm. (twitter.com/_/status/531524092638560256)
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@TheRealDod RT @anomalily: The #indieweb is the new zines- thoughts on diversity on internet: http://anomalily.net/the-indie-web-is-the-new-zines/ (twitter.com/_/status/531534116341051392)
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zzzen.com edited /2014/Online/Guest_List (+19) "Vanity link" (view diff)
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fiatjaf what is hub
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hub" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=hub
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finchd github.com/github/hub right?
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fiatjaf no, I was thinking about the more general concept of a "hub"
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fiatjaf a centralized aggregator of some kind of thing
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fiatjaf and what the indieweb would have to say about it
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GWG fiatjaf: I'm not always the most eloquent spokesperson for the philosophies around here, but..
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GWG There is nothing wrong with aggregation or hosted solutions, as long as they can live side by side with self-hosted.
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GWG For example, Bridgy is a hosted service, but if you want to, you could take the source and run it yourself.
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fiatjaf what about a public webmention hub, where people could read what others are saying about websites that do not support webmentions?
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GWG I think kylewm is working on a hosted webmention solution in the vein of Disqus.
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fiatjaf example: I read an article at some webpage that does not support webmentions (it doesn't have to be a personal website or a blog, it can be any webpage), I comment about it in my website, with a link to the commented page. my CMS sends a webmention to this webmention hub, or to various different webmention hubs. the person whose website was commented can later go to this webmention hub and see if someone commented about his website.
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fiatjaf other people reading that same webpage can check (manually, or using some browser extension) the webmention hub for what others have said about that page and join the discussion by posting about it in their own pages.
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Loqi [mention] http://jpreardon.com/2014/11/09/indiewebifying-jpreardon/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://jpreardon.com/2014/11/09/indiewebifying-jpreardon/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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GWG fiatjaf: Webmentions verify source URLs. What you are proposing may require more thought.
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GWG Due risk for abuse
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fiatjaf I know it is not exactly a webmention, I'm just using the term in a loose sense
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GWG fiatjaf: Webmentions are merely the protocol.
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GWG But what you are suggesting could be done.
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Loqi [mention] http://jpreardon.tumblr.com/post/102211455815 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (webmention)
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bret fiatjaf: there is http://news.indiewebcamp.com which is sort of like an indieweb hub
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bret we need to get more people syndicating their progress there
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GWG bret: I'l try to
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bret ime unless there like a "syndicate to indienews" checkbox on publishing I don't do it
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GWG bret: I can build one
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GWG For myself
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GWG bret: aaronpk does have source code up if someone wanted a different topic.
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bret true that. not sure how easy it is to get up and running though
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GWG bret: What other topic is Indienews worthy?
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bret nothing on my end atm ;0
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bret GWG if you update your wordpress plugins, you could totally post about that
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GWG bret: I was saying I'd write a plugin to generate the URL and send the webmention
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GWG bret: But, unfortunately, I still do my feed reading using RSS, so I can't read Indienews without visiting it
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bret heh.. write plugin to post about creation of said plugin :D
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bret GWG: you can use https://waterpigs.co.uk/services/microformats-to-atom/ on the newest page
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GWG Convincing the guy who runs TT-RSS to add in different sorts of feeds is not something I'm going to try
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GWG He's not user friendly.
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@lucas_gonze RT @erichansander: Fun weekend project: containerize #withknown using #Docker - done! @withknown @indiewebcamp https://github.com/ehdr/docker-known http… (twitter.com/_/status/531572535574294529)
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aaronpk I think this hub idea like indie news is actually super important
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aaronpk I made indie news work with pure webmentions, which has proven to be a bit of a stumimg
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aaronpk Stumbling block
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aaronpk Because you have to pre construct the indie news URL
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aaronpk It is probably worth figuring out a proper syndication mechanism to these hubs
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bret wonder if http://stream.withknown.com is going to work with non known posts eventually
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aaronpk The simplicity of webmention vs PuSH is nice
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aaronpk Technically this would all work with PuSH just fine
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aaronpk But that's another setup process
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bret how would you indicate you wanted a post to end up on the hub with push? i though PuSH was pretty much enabled for everything
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GWG aaronpk: Why not the Bridgy way?
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aaronpk You'd submit your site to the hub and it would subscribe to your PuSH feed
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GWG You register with Bridgy, and then you can publish by sending a webmention
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aaronpk GWG you mean bridge publish?
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aaronpk bridgy*
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GWG aaronpk: Precisely. People register using Indieauth
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GWG Then, once registered, can send news just by embedding a hidden publish link
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aaronpk That's basically what indie news does right now
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aaronpk Except Bridgy publish doesnt actually follow webmention at all, whereas indie news follows it precisely
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aaronpk Which is why Bridgy publish is easier
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aaronpk I think the PuSH architecture is the way to go. It's actually pretty similar from the publisher standpoint.
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GWG aaronpk: I don't mind constructing the URL. I think it makes sense.
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bret aaronpk: wouldn't that mean that every post ends up on the hub?
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aaronpk No, cause you could submit a filtered URL
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aaronpk Like my tag pages
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bret oh i see
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aaronpk Probably what I should do is implement this on indie news and see what happens
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bret i kind of prefer just adding a specific syndication link to a page
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GWG aaronpk: Are you talking about a special feed for indienews? Like the old Planet style?
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bret my PuSH event is low accuracy. it fires every time I update any part of the site
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aaronpk That's fine. Consumers will just make a few extra requests but no biggie
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aaronpk GWG: yeah I guess so
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aaronpk Ok poll: what would you be more likely to do. a) include an additional tag on posts you want to syndicate to IndieNews or b) create a separate feed where everything in the feed is syndicated?
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GWG aaronpk: It depends on the platform. In WordPress, for example,. a tag generates a tag feed
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aaronpk So are you suggesting that the feed method is easier for Wordpress users?
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bret tag is easier, so I prefer that
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GWG aaronpk: I'm saying that to WordPress, it is the same thing. So, both are the same
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bret creating a specific syndication feed would be more work than just a link on a post + a wm
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GWG I'm also prepared to create a plugin for WordPress that figured out the syndication URL.
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GWG Of course, I have a long list of things. If people started using Indienews, I might escalate that. I'll have an Indienews metabox in my syndication link generator before the end of the night
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aaronpk Bret: you said two contradictory things. The "tag" method was about auto generated feeds for tags
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aaronpk What did you mean by tag?
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bret was a mistake. I want "additional tag on posts you want to syndicate" rather than generating a filtered feed based on a tag.
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aaronpk Still confused about your use of "tag"
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aaronpk What is a tag?
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GWG aaronpk: p-category
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tag" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=tag
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aaronpk ok so are you saying you'd tag posts with "IndieNews" to syndicate them there?
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aaronpk Rather than syndicating all posts tagged "indieweb"?
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bret me to! let me start over. I like the way it works now. I indicate I want my post syndicated to indienews in my front-matter and a link to indienews with the syndicate-to class ends up in the post and ping indienews is sent
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aaronpk aha ok
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aaronpk so more like bridgy publish
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bret i haven't use that yet :[ no idea
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bret the thing is, now that i think about it, people generating feeds for specific posting targets to pull/push from seems like it takes the burden of writing additional syndication adapters
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GWG aaronpk: What would you want as a user?
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bret just make a feed and tell the service where to watch/isten
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aaronpk i'm on the fence about it personally
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bret it seems like adding a link and pinging is an easier thing to program, rather than hoping that consumers can parse/diff feeds reliably
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aaronpk well both cases involve parsing the h-entry
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aaronpk the tag+feed mechanism seems easier to me personally, but only once I set up a thing in my software to generate feeds from tags
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aaronpk wordpress does by default of course. I think jekyll does too actually.
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GWG aaronpk: Just adding Indienews to my Syndication Links program. So I'll syndicate something
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aaronpk GWG: cool. you already hav ebridgy publish there right?
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GWG aaronpk: It is on my future plans list. I rewrote the Syndication Links plugin to allow for a variable list of targets. Adding optional Bridgy Publish support is a future feature
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aaronpk ah
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GWG But firing a webmention using the webmention functions is pretty easy
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GWG So, it is just a matter of adding a checkbox to the post UI that embeds the hidden link and fires the webmention
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GWG I have the code to read and store the response from Bridgy, which includes the URL, but I haven't tested it or implemented an interface for it. But for Indienews, I wouldn't need to check for a response.
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GWG has a lot more thinking time than doing time
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aaronpk think it's worth writing up these three options i'm considering?
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GWG Where?
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aaronpk my blog?
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GWG Oh. I thought you meant on the wiki
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GWG But, either way, I wonder if there is an enhancement to feeds for one-way syndication to consider
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GWG Can you assume that if someone comes to Indienews and Indieauths in, that they are approving syndication?
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aaronpk I would still want a manual step of submitting their site/feed
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GWG That was what I meant re indieauth
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aaronpk i would still have one more step after signing in
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GWG Yes
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