#indiewebcamp 2014-11-13

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tantek Happy Wednesday off-HWC day folks!
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tantek and with that in mind, who's coming to next week's HWC meetup(s)?
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andicascadesf Unfortunately, it’s the same evening at UXNight, which is scheduled based on speaker and venue availability.
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andicascadesf :/ wahhhh!
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npdoty has anyone looked at this Amber project? http://amberlink.org/
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andicascadesf same goes for Dec. 3rd.
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npdoty add a plugin to your own site so that it automatically archives all the pages that you link to
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npdoty ... and then when those inevitably disappear, you can provide a cache link to your users with your cached copy of the pages
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andicascadesf Hey guys, gotta go, but thanks for the insight on the blog challenge. Tantek, would be a great new years resolution. 30 days of blogging to start off 2015.
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tantek I think I stopped doing new years resolutions and instead started doing new years actions.
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KartikPrabhu re: new years resolutions, isn't there already a 2015 indieweb challenge? replace completely your use of Twitter by IWC 2015?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that's why I started /ownyourdata#IndieWeb_Examples
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KartikPrabhu nods
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tantek oh wait you said *completely*
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tantek now *that* is a challenge
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tantek I think I can do *completely* for *publishing*
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tantek but I don't think I'll have a reader built by then that I can replace
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ben_thatmust i could do that, i barely use twitter as it is
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ben_thatmust definitely need more readers though
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KartikPrabhu yeah for me the obstacles are reader, posting interface and following lists
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I've been thinking of that larger challenge though of *completely* replace Twitter - what would it take?
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tantek which is why I documented this: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Features
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tantek I have implemented a good chunk of that on my own site
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tantek but it's a good checklist to go through
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KartikPrabhu iirc you threw down the challenge when you made that list
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gRegor` Re: blogging for 30 days challenge, National Blog Posting Month (NaBloPoMo) has been going on each November for years. There is one each month, actually, but November is the main one.
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KartikPrabhu is this like NaNoWriMo or something
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gRegor` They have suggested prompts, but they're optional of course.
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tantek what is NaNoWriMo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NaNoWriMo" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=NaNoWriMo
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tantek what is NaBloPoMo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NaBloPoMo" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=NaBloPoMo
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Yeah, that's where the name derived from
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tantek what is National Blog Posting Month?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "National Blog Posting Month" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=National+Blog+Posting+Month
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gRegor` yeah yeah :)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: the replce Twitter challenge should be official, so that people can take it up. Even if most people get half way that'll be huge
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KartikPrabhu maybe that can be IndieMark 7 or something
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gRegor` I've participated in NaBloPoMo a couple times, once successfully.
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kylewm is in for IwcBlogPoMo
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gRegor` It's quite large; good way to 'meet' new bloggers by browsing around. Honestly I think it was easier to network before Blogher took it over
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gRegor` goes to create wiki pages
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kylewm I haevn't been able to figure out a way to do the server sent events stuff without getting into green threads :(
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: this is for live updating comments?
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kylewm yes
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KartikPrabhu i.e. web socket stuff?
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gRegor` green threads?
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kylewm unfortunately this was discussed in #indiechat
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KartikPrabhu yeah what is this ^
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Loqi This. (AKA THIS. or This: or THIS:) is type of quotation post similar in meaning to a combined like & repost where the text "This." is stated on a line by itself after the quotation, or the text "This:" is stated before a quotation or URL to express a strong affirmation or agreement with the referenced quotation or article http://indiewebcamp.com/this
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KartikPrabhu bleh! Loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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kylewm aaronpk was talking about server-sent threads as an alternative to websockets
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kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/server-sent_events
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kylewm bah server-sent events* not threads
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KartikPrabhu hmm. Is there an advantage over Web Sockets? Why are there 2 specs doing the same thing? Are both w3c/whatwg specs?
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kylewm Python has libraries for managing lots of concurrent lightweight threads, e.g. gevent, but I haven't wanted to get into them
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KartikPrabhu also interestign things like this should be moved from #indiechat to #indiewebcamp so we have logs
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kylewm that's what I meant by green thread. I'm not sure if that's 100% techincally accurate
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kylewm.com edited /server-sent_events (+138) "/* Not Supported in IE */ add link to polyfill" (view diff)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: AFAICT, websockets are bi-directional and over a separate channel. server-sent events are over HTTP and only server to client
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the challenge is to map the Twitter features list into IndieMark features and levels
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tantek what are green threads?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "green threads" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=green+threads
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tantek I really need to implement "email" posts on my own site so I can POSSE them to W3C mailing lists just to make a point. Especially social web wg.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: what is the flavour of the general discussion in social web wg?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: in IRC, good. on the wiki, ok, some noise. on the mailing list? a big mess.
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KartikPrabhu are they or are they not convinced about indieweb approach?
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tantek there is no "they" - there's a lot of individuals
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tantek most of whom make proposals without actually using their own sites to do so
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KartikPrabhu I see
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tantek so I ignore the mailing list unless someone points to it in IRC
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tantek see irc://irc.w3.org/social
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KartikPrabhu this seems to be common in w3c wg as far as my impression
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tantek yes
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tantek w3c was born in the age of email lists - 1990s
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tantek and kind of got stuck there
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KartikPrabhu "we'll wait for the final protocol before making things" etc...
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gRegor` ^ Props to Eden for maintaining her permalinks, blog posts from 2006 still working
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tantek nice logs here though thanks to Loqi and aaronpk: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/today#bottom
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Loqi you're welcome
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gRegor` Even after a domain name change, apparently
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KartikPrabhu i should figure out a way to do permanent redirects in my old Blogger posts
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Loqi definitely
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tantek I was waiting for that ^^^
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tantek KartikPrabhu: re: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Features btw - it would be great to see someone define that list for *2006* era Twitter
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KartikPrabhu before my time :P
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tantek even just replacing what Twitter *launched with* would be a huge accomplishment
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tantek KartikPrabhu: btw that being said about w3c and social wg - I was asked to participate and co-chair because indieweb opinions ARE valued there
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KartikPrabhu in fact I first had a consistent internet connection in 2005! :P
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tantek so in that regard, I'd encourage you to lurk in the IRC channel as well irc://irc.w3.org:6665/social
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek lurk and speak up
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tantek so when people ask what people are doing
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tantek what people are publishing etc.
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tantek you can feel free to say so
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tantek there's also been a bunch of related discussion with marginalia and fragmentions too
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KartikPrabhu wil consider
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tantek it's pretty quiet
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tantek check the logs for example
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tantek http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/today#bottom and Prev back a few days
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gRegor` is done
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tantek and Loqi?
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gRegor` shh
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tantek gives Loqi an opportunity.
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Loqi cuts the opportunity.
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gRegor` wut. that's a new one to me.
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Does Blogger allow javascript? Bit messy, but you could do window.location=URL
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: maybe. have forgotten all of Blogger's quirks
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+1196) "2006 original features off the top of my head" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (-88) "/* 2006 original */ no TFA then lol" (view diff)
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tantek idea was stuck in my head so I had to braindump it
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#2006_original
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tantek KartikPrabhu: ^^^ new challenge :D
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: http://blogtimenow.com/blogging/blogger-custom-redirects-old-url-new-url/ maybe helpful. Can't seem to find a published date, but comments seem to point to it being a year old or so
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KartikPrabhu the replace Old Twitter Challenge?
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tantek seems fitting in the spirit of tilde club etc.
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tantek what is tilde club?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tilde club" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=tilde+club
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tantek https://medium.com/message/tilde-club-i-had-a-couple-drinks-and-woke-up-with-1-000-nerds-a8904f0a2ebf
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: that is for redirecting within Blogger. or else you have to some JS trickery
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gRegor` yeah, I was realizing that. follow-up post indicates you can do it via js http://blogtimenow.com/blogging/automatically-redirect-blogger-blog-another-blog-website/
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KartikPrabhu yup
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tantek I wonder if people learning '@' as a username prefix made '~' more usable
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kylewm given the overloaded meaning of @ in email addresses, it's kind of remarkable that they did (mostly) learn it
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@4c4d @kitarutc social gamification crush it epic guru ninja maven diva 2.0 indieweb pivot internet of things iot 4 hour boot camp jira foss (twitter.com/_/status/532719920077762560)
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kylewm anyone else frequently seeing these cut off avatars on Known? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/cut-off-avis.png
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kylewm oh I get it, it's because they're non-square ... thought it was a network hiccup at first
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tantek very weird
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tantek it does look like a bug
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kylewm for reference: http://werd.io/2014/talking-politics-in-casual-social-situations-normal-or-rude-i#comments
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kylewm also interesting because that's a very active, thoughtful thread! mostly backfeed facebook
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tantek I keep wanting to click the * to favorite the post :(
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tantek or rather, :( at it not working
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kylewm I think that is an issue/annoyance for Known users too
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kylewm like, that you can't post likes from one Known to another
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tantek exactly - via /webactions
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tantek that shouldn't be difficult!
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club (+41) "SF location @MozSF is a go" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: SF location for next week's HWC is a go
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tantek could you post an indie event and POSSE copy?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* RSVP */ SF" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-12-03-homebrew-website-club (+8) "/* RSVP */ and next month I'll be in PDX" (view diff)
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@tilgovi 1. Neat to see @almereyda and @erinjo using @hypothes_is to talk about @schnarfed's Bridgy: https://hypothes.is/a/Fz1k9AxnT0OSm-SQadll8w #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532738005421678592)
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@tilgovi 2. Now we need to land webmention, add some relme auth to the extension, and incorporate bridgy in @hypothes_is and we can party. (twitter.com/_/status/532738190902173696)
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@tilgovi 2. Now we need to land webmention, add some relme auth to the extension, and incorporate bridgy in @hypothes_is and we can party. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532738296342773761)
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@hypothes_is RT @tilgovi: 1. Neat to see @almereyda and @erinjo using @hypothes_is to talk about @schnarfed's Bridgy: https://hypothes.is/a/Fz1k9AxnT0OSm-SQadll8w #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532739587609616385)
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@hypothes_is RT @tilgovi: 2. Now we need to land webmention, add some relme auth to the extension, and incorporate bridgy in @hypothes_is and we can par… (twitter.com/_/status/532739613035470848)
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kylewm tantek: will do
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@tilgovi 3. If we built bridgy into @hypothes_is and taught it about our replies, we could have annotations <=> @withknown comments. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532740809167106048)
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GWG I might be able to come to HWC this week
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@augustmuench I think it would be cool if there were an overlap between #indieweb and #dotastro6 -- @dotastronomy's looking for new directions (twitter.com/_/status/532753319903887360)
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@tilgovi @kevinmarks we should work on the webmention docs around fragments generally, otherwise it's likely to confuse some clients. (twitter.com/_/status/532755396973170688)
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kylewm julian``: I see only four markers in the final output
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kylewm KevinMarks_: before I reply to tilgovi's tweet, I think he is confused about what bridgy is (i.e. they should not need it for indieweb <-> hypothesis). agree?
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@kartik_prabhu @tilgovi bridgy? Maybe you mean webmention…? Bridgy is for getting backfeed of replies from silos, or for POSSEing to them. (twitter.com/_/status/532761942960521216)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: oh I just did that. also your comment about tilgovi's confusion did not make it to the logs
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aaronpk oh no Loqi was gone!
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Loqi dude
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KartikPrabhu aah I see
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aaronpk backfilled
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KartikPrabhu do you have a script to do that? backfill from here to there?
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aaronpk yeah, I copy my weechat logs and the script imports them into the database
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aaronpk it's a relatively manual process
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julian`` kylewm read the console.log it shows 4 but theyre underneath, if you change draggable="true" you can move them around and see
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kylewm julian``: drag them around where? the code you shared *only* prints things out to the console
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@veganstraightedge @xeni Still is. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532776292530520065)
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GWG kylewm: You still around?
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kylewm GWG: I am
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GWG kylewm: You've been to one of these HWCs?
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kylewm Yes
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GWG I might actually be available when it is on. What preparations should be made if I can?
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kylewm GWG: that would be great, I think we should be able to have a talky up from MozSF. You shouldn't need to do anything
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kylewm I'm off to bed, g'night!
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GWG Night
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jonnybarnes hello everyone
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davidpeach Hi guys
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davidpeach anybody know how to pull in twitter mentions into wordpress admin in order to reply directly from admin?
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petermolnar morning all
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petermolnar pfefferle, GWG are there any news/status on the converting pingback to webmention feature request?
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pfefferle petermolnar nothing yet
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petermolnar should this be linked to the database-antipattern page? it's out of the web environment but has some pretty good points: http://thelinuxrain.com/articles/software-is-not-data
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thedod Hi
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thedod Been "told off" at out blog about not understanding IndieWebCamp :) https://zzzen.com/hiddenid/?p=74#comment-24 I guess she was right. Reading getting started now :)
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thedod Got to be ready by Sunday
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GWG petermolnar: Re your question...you could always send pfefferle a pull request.
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GWG thedod: Will look forward to seeing you there
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petermolnar GWG I know, I just did not really start to think about a solution yet
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thedod there were talks about a "dry run". Is that still on?
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GWG thedod: We did it.
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thedod ah :)
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GWG petermolnar: The functions are there. You would just have to create a custom query for all pingbacks, check for the presence or absence of the metadata that is added by the plugin, and then process.
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thedod Got time to talk a bit about webmention for my case? (as Mum says: why do you always have to be a special case?)
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GWG thedod: This is the first online event. The entire event is also a dry run for future increased online participation
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GWG thedod: I'm not an expert, but what's on your mind?
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thedod Sending webmentions I guess I can handle. The problem is my weird permalinks
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thedod e.g. https://dubiousdod.org/go/PetNames
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GWG Why is that a problem?
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thedod what it does is redirect to an anchor on a page (they're all on the same page. it's a tiddlywiki)
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GWG Not sure, not familiar with tiddlywiki
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GWG It might be a setting
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thedod I can add stuff there giving a url where you can send webmentions (I'll write the app if needed)
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thedod and let's suppose you'll guess that you click on more, permalink, and copy the url. question it:
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thedod where will I show your comment?
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thedod the thing comes from a static cloud storage. I'd need to add some js that reads the comments and displays them
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GWG Traditionally at the bottom?
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GWG thedod: Lots of people here have done webmentions on static sites
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GWG They probably have some thoughts. Try bear, I think he did that, for one
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thedod there's not exactly a "bottom" here, unless you mean at the bottom of each visible tiddler
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thedod thanks
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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thedod o/
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tantek GWG - did you see davidpeach's request above?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-13/line/1415877067251
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GWG tantek: Actually, I missed it
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tantek a-ha, wondering if I can help by at least collecting those in the WordPress Outreach Community #inbox
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tantek what is WordPress Outreach Community?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress Outreach Community" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=WordPress+Outreach+Community
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GWG tantek: That's the sort of functionality I wanted to add to my Indieweb Taxonomy plugin.
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tantek WordPress Outreach Committee
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tantek what is WordPress Outreach Committee
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Loqi The WordPress Outreach Committee is a group of active Indiewebcamp participants who reach out to individuals already running WordPress to add Indieweb functionality to their existing sites http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Outreach_Committee
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GWG tantek: According to the wiki, there is a php-mf2 library and a twitter to mf2 conversion.
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GWG Using those to add the ability to bring in the content from Twitter automatically is something I would like to do.
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GWG https://github.com/aaronpk/php-mf2-twitter-shim
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tantek GWG - help! http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Outreach_Committee#Requests
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GWG tantek: I need more committee members
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tantek don't we all :)
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tantek GWG, take the easiest one on the list - or if you were to ask me which to pick, I'd start with Dan Gillmor's request - sounds pretty important to debug that
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tantek I think snarfed set him up with all the Bridgy related stuff, but anyone in the WordPress Outreach Committee should be able to help out with that right?
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tantek but basically, one at a time :)
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tantek (I'm just trying to help make sure the opportunities to help / requests don't get lost)
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GWG tantek: Check the page. How many listed members are there?
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tantek GWG - one is all it takes to start something. That is certainly part of the essence of the indie web.
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GWG Either way, today is my last day of work. I'm taking a few days, which include IWC Online on Sunday. So after today, I'll be kicking in some time.
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GWG Also need to clean my apartment, but that isn't Indieweb unless I write about it
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pfefferle tantek :)
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tantek GWG, I did mean the "committee" in a tongue-in-cheek way
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tantek it's more like a club right?
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tantek I certainly don't want people to think there's any intention of bureaucracy (what committee seems to imply)
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GWG I know. But I tend to run with jokes.
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cweiske description sounds like jehova's witnesses
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tantek I hear you, I'm the same way.
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tantek cweiske: lol!
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tantek Have you considered how IndieWeb could change your life^H^H^H^H blog?
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tantek s/change/improve
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Loqi tantek meant to say: Have you considered how IndieWeb could improve your life^H^H^H^H blog?
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tantek GWG, I'm also trying to be more sensitive to how such jokes can sometimes be seen as as insiderisms, and potentially off-putting to new folks (they just feel they don't belong because they're not part of the inside joke)
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tantek thus a suggestion to consider renaming to WordPress Outreach Club. It's also fitting with the already existing Homebrew Website Club. I like the informality of "club". It's approachable.
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tantek not a big deal - just a suggestion. up to y'all GWG, pfefferle :)
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pfefferle yea, club sounds more like smokings and cigars… GWG, tantek
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tantek "walk into the wordpress outreach club all"
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GWG I'm fine with club
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pfefferle me too
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Loqi [mention] http://kylewm.withknown.com/2014/homebrew-website-club-19-november-2014 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek.com moved /WordPress_Outreach_Committee to /WordPress_Outreach_Club "friendlier, more consistent with Homebrew Website Club, unanimous vote of the committee"
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tantek presto. - your club secretary ;)
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GWG tantek: I'm nominating you for club mascot
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tantek GWG, oh dear.
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GWG tantek: But think of the merchandising.
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GWG tantek figurines...tantek posters...
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GWG (Yes, I am kidding)
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tantek (thankfully!)
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GWG tantek: I did once suggest that, based on your attending of the majority of Indiewebcamps, if you ever didn't show up, you should be photoshopped into the group photos.
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GWG Sort of like a Where's Waldo type thing
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GWG The problem with me joking is I have such a serious delivery people can't tell
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tantek GWG, as do the brits
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tantek is busy writing an RSVP post
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GWG tantek: I'm not British
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mattl British people are the worst.
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GWG mattl: I lack the perspective you do on that
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tantek GWG, they also tend to be self-deprecating, and hyperbolicly so.
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tantek Bridgy publish is still like magic to me
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tantek just RSVP'd to the FB Posse copy of the event from Bridgy not FB
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mattl GWG: here's an interview I did recently when I was back in the UK... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaJ7vUu1ixg
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GWG I have to watch a Chili's commercial?
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mattl if you don't have adblock installed, i guess you do. sorry about that.
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mattl i don't endorse chilis.
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kylewm what is TiddlyWiki?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TiddlyWiki" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=TiddlyWiki
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GWG mattl: Adblock seems unfair to people trying to make money. I just disabled the ability to autoplay video. But on Youtube...
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julian`` hi kyle the map doesnt show the markers because it outputs to a different page, however there are more than four markers in the console.log
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tantek !tell kartikprabhu,gregor` is Chicago happening next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk,dietrich is Portland happening next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell npdoty coming to SF next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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julian`` busy week tantek
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kylewm julian``: I mean, it prints out the string 4 times and each time it gets 1 map-marker longer, is that what you mean?
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kylewm julian``: is this something for your personal website?
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GWG tantek: I do need your advice. Someone mentioned it and I added a SmugMug page to the wiki. Can you think of any other categories to cover? You are an advanced wiki contributor.
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GWG I'm also curious how SmugMug could fit into an Indieweb site. Unlike Flickr, there isn't a community exactly.
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tantek julian``: indeed!
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GWG I set up my family on Smugmug because they wanted a private photo storage service.
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tantek what is smugmug?
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Loqi SmugMug is a paid service for hosting photos http://indiewebcamp.com/SmugMug
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GWG tantek: Covered that
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GWG tantek: Is it a Silo?
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tantek GWG - yes the URLs are use their domain
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tantek it's a paid silo
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GWG Is it some of the features on the silo list or does it have to hit all of them to be a silo?
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GWG Also, I did this because I didn't want to be supporting an archive of 12,000 photos for my family. I wonder if not building my own solution is hypocritical of me.
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gRegor` Morning, indiewebcamp!
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Loqi gRegor`: tantek left you a message 33 minutes ago: is Chicago happening next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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gRegor` tantek: Yep
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kylewm GWG: it would only be hypocritical if you advocate that people immediately start storing all their data on servers they control
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gRegor` Maybe I'll actually get back to some work on my site next week :)
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GWG gRegor`: Amen
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tantek GWG, we can only build so much, so quickly, for ourselves, for others.
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tantek GWG - it's a place that hosts your photos for you at URLs they control. that's fairly obv silo.
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GWG tantek: So, how do I, if I'm not prepared to take over the hosting, integrate it?
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tantek start with: put it on your list of itches to scratch to start with, at whatever priority level it is vs. existing itches - then you can later look at taking an approach like BuddyPress or Diaspora, which involve self-hosted solutions for small groups of people
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tantek any time you feel like "I should do that… " just collect into into your itches list on your user: page
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tantek that will make it (more) obvious to you how many things you have you want to work on, and hopefully help make it clear the tradeoffs of working on one vs another
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thedod I'm back. contemplating redwind. kylewm here?
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gRegor` Twitter's gonna mess with a good thing even more and mess up the timeline. https://blog.twitter.com/2014/coming-soon-to-twitter "exploring ways to surface relevant Tweets so the content that is interesting to you is easy to discover"
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thedod found >30 occurences of "kyle" in templates :) will try to fork and parametrize a bit more.
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thedod also no creat_all() script. had to copy/paste from the jekyl importer
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gRegor` kylewm: You're so vain, you probably think this code is about you
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thedod bottom line: instead of making my static / indiewebcamp-friendly, I'll put a redwind at /indie or something and only do some rel=whatevers at /
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thedod (still not fluent in the mf2 jargon :) )
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kylewm thedod: I'm surprised to hear that. https://github.com/kylewm/redwind/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=kyle only has a small handful of hits
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kylewm thedod: and install.py definitely has a create_all()
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aaronpk whoa what's going on
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kylewm invites
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 19 minutes ago: is Portland happening next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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tantek lol
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tantek I wonder if we could put a JS embed on the wiki that showed webmentions for each page?
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aaronpk yeah totally
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tantek then we could iterate on showing special webmentions differently, e.g. RSVPs and invitations!
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aaronpk i just need to come up with some good HTML for it. but the data is here: http://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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tantek aaronpk, I thought barnabywalters made a JS embed for webmention.io
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kylewm I'm working on an iframe embed here https://github.com/kylewm/broccoli/blob/master/broccoli/templates/embed/comments.html and https://github.com/kylewm/broccoli/blob/master/broccoli/templates/embed/broccoli.js that I think we could adapt to webmention.io pretty easily
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kylewm example here: http://kylewm.github.io/
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aaronpk i wouldn't want to do iframe embed on the wiki. i'd rather do JS embed
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kylewm ok
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tantek aaronpk, why not iframe embed? works better cross-domain too
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aaronpk I've always found it harder to make it look good as an iframe
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aaronpk css rules don't apply into an iframe
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aaronpk and getting heights to work right is fiddly
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thedod kylewm, good thing I looked. I've overlooked install.py #facepalm
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kylewm aaronpk: yeah I had to use postMessage to get resizing to work at all (still needs work)
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kylewm thedod: and ">30 occurences of kyle in the templates"? I only see two
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tantek aaronpk: makes total sense
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ben_thatmustbeme loqi,stop that
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Loqi woot!
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dietrich tantek: can't commit for next week in pdx, will have just got back into town after long travel spell. is aaronpk hosting?
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Loqi dietrich: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 36 minutes ago: is Portland happening next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm this is a good talk on getting css and stuff to work in iframes if anybody is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQCm8VYn93Y
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kylewm and you have 40 minutes
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gRegor` Holy mentions, BatLoqi
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thedod kylewm, I'm now reinstalling from scratch, so we'll see. On the instance I have at localhost I see [e.g.] your h-card on /, and it's hardwired into the temlate
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aaronpk hooooow many invitations are going out?
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thedod maybe I ran some rogue code when I tried to run something that does create_all(). will tell you how it goes as soon as the fresh instance installs
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thedod kylewm, finished the pip, no install.py returns ImportError: No module named flask.ext.script
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kylewm thedod: I'm in the middle of a db migration on there. if you want a more stable version, check out the one before master: https://github.com/kylewm/redwind/commit/e3e6da157cfa1cc12af95a35981f3b46d61932c3
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kylewm evanp RSVPed maybe, is he in town??
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thedod kylewm: cool. rolling back. no pressure
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Loqi cuts the chance to rest
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thedod kylewm, got it to work: https://imgur.com/KtlzLLM :)
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kylewm hehe, nice, thedod!
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tantek that's an impressive onboarding time - well done kylewm and thedod
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@tilgovi @kartik_prabhu I mean bridgy, because I would want to pull replies on the target site of the webmention back. (twitter.com/_/status/532981863824891904)
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gRegor` what is onboarding?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "onboarding" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=onboarding
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@henrymack Geek out of the day - How to export your facebook friends into a csv file: http://www.youtube.com/ #data #organizing #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/532988878093684737)
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KartikPrabhu hmm seems tilgovi is pretty confused about bridgy https://twitter.com/tilgovi/status/532981863824891904
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 24 minutes ago: is Chicago happening next week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-11-19-homebrew-website-club
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@tilgovi @kartik_prabhu I mean bridgy, because I would want to pull replies on the target site of the webmention back. (twitter.com/_/status/532981863824891904)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I think he's going to have to figure that out on his own, or come talk to us here
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KartikPrabhu <shrug> I'm going to try tweeting again
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@kartik_prabhu @tilgovi Now I am pretty confused? I can’t see any use case where I would send comments upstream to a third person. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532994431914639360)
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KartikPrabhu1 feel free to chime in that confusing conversation ^^^
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KartikPrabhu what is openid?
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Loqi OpenID is a method of using an HTTP URL as an identity for signing into websites http://indiewebcamp.com/OpenID
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kylewm I fixed my Deploy to Heroku button, but I don't think there's any way to log in https://ancient-falls-3589.herokuapp.com/
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@BillSeitz I wish the IndieWeb folks were IndieWiki folks. (twitter.com/_/status/533003430550200320)
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kylewm wat
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@aaronpk @BillSeitz What is an "IndieWiki"? Most of our docs and research live on a wiki: http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/533004317888770049)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/13/1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@xinitrc @tante I want to try some of this fancy POSSE, webmention, … stuff. And want it comfortable. (twitter.com/_/status/533004860627898368)
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: what are bridgy's latest reply webmention sending policies? of instance this: https://twitter.com/tilgovi/status/532982155354193920 did not get sent back because it was the 2nd reply/ was it not a reply at all?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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thedod kylewm: https://imgur.com/A3AgX4E Still needs some love and care before I push and deploy, but getting there
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kylewm thedod: hey pretty cool! check out /settings if you haven't yet
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KartikPrabhu hmm more: https://twitter.com/tilgovi/status/533013621660721152
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@tilgovi @kartik_prabhu Site X gets mention from Y. Site X allows its users to reply to it. Wouldn't we want to mention that reply back to Y? (twitter.com/_/status/533013621660721152)
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KartikPrabhu https://twitter.com/tilgovi/status/533013818478448640
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@tilgovi @kartik_prabhu and isn't that exactly what bridgy does with the major silos? (twitter.com/_/status/533013818478448640)
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KartikPrabhu seems to be a terrible confusion about webmention, backfeed and POSSE all in one
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kylewm too nuanced for 140-chars
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KartikPrabhu yeah I'll write a longer note later unless someone else wants to
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thedod kylewm: No kidding. And I was doing all that in mysql
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thedod the authorize links look cool (once I deploy where I have a domain name)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I think he is talking about threaded comments
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KartikPrabhu thedod: btw the "telling off" you got on your post seems pretty on point
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah, he is. And it is a problem only if people have comment forms that can reply to webementioned replies
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KartikPrabhu in any case that is not a problem for bridgy to deal with
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thedod KartikPrabhu, that got me reading "getting start" and eventually to messing about with redwind
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KartikPrabhu good good
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thedod Originally, I got here "by mistake". someone said in a comment "you should talk to indiewebcamp people about this", so I came in a mindset of "it probably fits here"
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KartikPrabhu also "people with sites that you can log in to" is also not accurate :P
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thedod as thegrugq says: when you have a hammer, everything looks like a finger
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KartikPrabhu fwiw: I could use Indieauth as a openid delegate and log in to your site ;)
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thedod So I think I'll do both things without mixing them. Open a /indies on my set (with some microformats on / pointing there)
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@tilgovi @kartik_prabhu I'm saying for sites that support on-site replies and webmentions can we mix the two and bypass bridgy-style pull. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/533017979575746561)
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thedod would it work? can indieauth "play openid server?"
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thedod this could be cool
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bret thedod: yeah, when myopenid closed down, the existing indieauth service was made to act as an openID deligate
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thedod so if I'm dubiousdod.org, what's my openid there?
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thedod wants to try
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bret so dubiousdod.org is your personal domain you want to log into services that support openID?
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thedod yes. for example to https://zzzen.com/hiddenid
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bret step 1) Get vanilla indieauth working
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thedod even *specifically* :)
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thedod it works. I got a user page at iwc and everything
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bret step 2) add the necessary openID delegate headers to your personal website.
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bret let me get you the example
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bret thedod: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth#Use_IndieAuth_for_your_OpenID
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thedod thanks. trying
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bret thedod: have you managed to log into the wiki yet?
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@kartik_prabhu @tilgovi Yes. more: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/threaded-reply-webmention-bridgy #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/533020130062897152)
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kylewm bret: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people##thedod
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bret odd, I just ctl-fd that
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bret thedod: yeah so I just logged into https://zzzen.com/hiddenid using indieauth (via openID)
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KartikPrabhu thedod: that is exactly how I logged into your site
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KartikPrabhu using openid via indieauth
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bret indieauth generally assumes it can find authentication providers on the domain I am logging in with tho... doesn't provide much in terms of anonymity.
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bret pseudonyms maby
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KartikPrabhu doesn't logging in by definition imply some sort of identification?
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KartikPrabhu another "everyone should use this same one system" ^^^^
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bret what is SmashedTogetherWords?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SmashedTogetherWords" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SmashedTogetherWords
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kylewm I prefer bliki
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kylewm to WikiLog
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bret could wikis be made to fit indieweb patterns?
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KartikPrabhu what's a cross-user graph?
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bret the wiki acceps webmentions, but doesn't display them
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bret (as in the IW wiki)
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KartikPrabhu bret: I'm sure anything that outputs HTML can be *made* to fit indieweb patterns
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KartikPrabhu the question is does anyone care to do it given some backend
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bret What if whenever you edited something, the page is parsed and wemmentions are sent
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bret probably would be fairly noisy
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KartikPrabhu webmentions sent to all links? why?
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KartikPrabhu I mean would you like to receive mentions from wikis to your posts?
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bret what was kind of the original use of pingback, which didn't really pan out.
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bret s/what/that
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Loqi bret meant to say: that was kind of the original use of pingback, which didn't really pan out.
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bret KartikPrabhu: im not sure, I'm just thinking outloud about how the wiki could incorporate more indieweb stuffs
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KartikPrabhu sure. I am pointing out that it isn't about "could we do it" but "do we care to"
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bret annotations might be interesting (but deciding who's annotations you see sounds messy).
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bret Posting of events and displaying RSVP would be super great
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KartikPrabhu yes. that is a good use case
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bret rsvp info
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kylewm I think I would like to receive webmentions from the wiki!
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KartikPrabhu i can RSVP to HWC through my site directly
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bret (indieweb style, not just log in and add yourself)
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kylewm also I'm glad mediawiki doesn't use the StudlyCaps style
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bret getting web mentions from the wiki might be kind of cool form a citation standpoint, but I would want it displayed in a non-noisy way. like maybe a sparkline showing number of cites
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bret rather than an OL of mostly out of context urls
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kylewm bret: how many thousands of wiki citations are you expecting to get :P
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bret if a page generates interest over other pages, it might be interesting to display that visually somehow
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bret might as in, I would be interested in playing around with that
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bret ok I think I have a respose
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thedod \o/ https://zzzen.com/hiddenid/?p=74#comment-27 Also moderated the comment by bret :)
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bret nice thedod
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GWG Lunchtime. I see rsvps.
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bret https://twitter.com/bretolius/status/533027646334976000
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@bretolius @BillSeitz If you can build wiki tools that support html and http, then we can build interop between wikis and IW blogs. (twitter.com/_/status/533027646334976000)
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thedod 6AM. Today is another day :) Good night or something.
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Loqi sleep tight!
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GWG I am thinking about making this weekend about redesigning my Facepile. But that gets me nothing new.
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GWG But it makes old better.
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GWG Good time period, Tantek.
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bret sweet, got fragmentions working on base http://bret.io/base/##blah+blah
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bret having a dynamic enhancement JS loader makes using libraries pretty friggin easy. love it
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kylewm enhanceEach is pretty awesome
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kylewm I did not love require.js
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bret require.js docs are horrible.... someone needs to tldrequirejs
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kylewm felt like I was doing a lot of shimming
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bret yeah, i don't fully grok the shims stuff
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tantek good time period?
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bret huh?
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kylewm timezone-agnostic greeting?
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GWG Tantek, what kylewm said.
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tantek does anyone understand this IndieWiki / WikiLog conversation? https://twitter.com/BillSeitz/status/533018764787208194
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@BillSeitz @aaronpk If, instead of running your own blog, you structured it as a WikiLog using SmashedTogetherWords, you'd encourage a cross-user graph (twitter.com/_/status/533018764787208194)
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bret kylewm: all I want is a single entry point for my scripts... have very few be global scripts, and dynamic loading of libs as needed based on content on the page
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GWG Please don't mention chat standard time.
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tantek not a "tante" typo apparently: https://twitter.com/xinitrc/status/533004860627898368
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@xinitrc @tante I want to try some of this fancy POSSE, webmention, … stuff. And want it comfortable. (twitter.com/_/status/533004860627898368)
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bret tantek: blog centric vs wiki centric understanding maybe? I don't really understand "WikiLog using SmashedTogetherWords, you'd encourage a cross-user graph"
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tantek bret, it makes no sense
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tantek seems to place additional unnecessary requirements
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tantek you don't need to be running a wiki to be on the indieweb
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tantek you don't need to use SmashedTogetherWords to be on the indieweb
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tantek you don't need any of that to encourage a cross-user graph
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tantek !tell benwerd,erinjo might be worth asking this guy what the "hassle" was withknown: https://twitter.com/tante/status/533007857210646528
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG kylewm, re shims, do you have any opinion on the twitter to mf2 shim?
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bret if bill primarily publishes on the web via a wiki, then trying to make that talk with other sites might be an interesting endeavor for him. i got the impression iw is mainly blog-like because that was the independent publishing tool that most resembled modern use of silos
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kylewm GWG: I have no problem with shims in general :)
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GWG Just that shim?
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tantek !tell tilgovi rather than 140-char limited back/forth on Twitter (this thread https://twitter.com/tilgovi/status/533017979575746561 ) - I'd suggest (re)doing such discussions here on IRC - it's a much better medium for that. Plus better archives than Twitter. ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 119 karma
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bret tantek: my guess is the hassle stems from apathy. i.e. if I just want to post about things I don't care about keeping around to twitter, why am I taking the time to use to post to my own site first.
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GWG I just want to get something working. i could always write my own later.
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bret also, your yellow fading to light yellow css for fragmentions is great!
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bret tantek++
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tantek !tell tilgovi Next challenge: let's see you start posting notes (AKA generic tweets) on *your own site* and never directly on Twitter, optionally POSSEing copies to Twitter. Way more important than webmentions of comments of comments on someone else's site. http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata and /selfdogfood
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu tantek: regardgin conversation with tilgovi . Hence at the end I posted a long note and only a very short summary POSSEd to Twitter :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu++ indeed. well done.
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 78 karma
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tantek now we just have to get him on the /selfdogfood train :)
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KartikPrabhu to be fair he does selfdogfood the hypothes.is annotation system that he made
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KartikPrabhu just not the indieweb self-dgofood
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bret KartikPrabhu: this looks super good btw https://kartikprabhu.com/static/icons/link-frag2.png
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KartikPrabhu :D thanks! I'm thinking of using it in my fragmention getter UI. select a phrase and this icon pops up which gives you the fragmentioned link
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rascul that's a nifty idea
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bret I had an idea the other day.. instead of indicating syndication links as "Also on:" or "syndicated to", rather as "Reply on: -your own site [form] - twitter, instagram, etc"
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bret KartikPrabhu: that would be pretty nifty
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bret although be kind to compulsive highlighters, such as myself
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KartikPrabhu bret: kind as in?
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KartikPrabhu it won't automatically redirect you or copy it to your clipboard. Just a pop-up UI near the text like what Medium does
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bret as in don't make the interface to invasive or large
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KartikPrabhu bret: try selecting something here: https://medium.com/@bthdonohue/bookmarklets-are-dead-d470d4bbb626
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bret yeah thats pretty good. doesn't hover over the highlighted text (like the tail of the highlight). and the bubble comes up consistently in the horizontal axis
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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bret the only thing that might improve it is opacity
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KartikPrabhu exactly what I was thinking
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KartikPrabhu it is faded out by default and on hover becomes opaque
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tantek KartikPrabhu: he's *dogfooding* hypothes.is - but since hypothes.is is not his personal site, nor is he running an install of hypothes.is on his personal site, he is not *selfdogfooding*
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tantek this is a very important distinction
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KartikPrabhu I thought the self stood for using your own code no?
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tantek no
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KartikPrabhu i see
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood##self%20identification
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KartikPrabhu aah I see
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kylewm bret: i did this before i read what you actually wrote and loled https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/compulsive-highlighters.png
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tantek perhaps I should better emphasize
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. But think the using your own code dogfooding also counts for something, maybe intermediate between full selfdogfooding and making code that you don't use yourself at all
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tantek it does not
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek dogfooding is merely using your own code *somewhere*
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tantek dogfooding on its own has that meaning
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KartikPrabhu aah ok cool
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tantek that's the point. that's why we emphasize *self*dogfooding beyond just dogfooding
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tantek working on /selfdogfood now to try to clarify this
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kylewm I think it's confusing because *self* doesn't mean "on your personal website"
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tantek kylewm: it does in a matter of philosophy. the notion of self. identity.
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: in the indieweb context I suppose it does
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kylewm dogfooding already connotates self
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kylewm or rather, it connotates one "self" (the self who built the lightsaber and is using the lightsaber)
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kylewm so it's confusing to add another "self" that means something slightly different
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KartikPrabhu oh boy a StarTrek reference :P
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KartikPrabhu jk jk
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kylewm "Use the force Harry" - Gandalf
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KartikPrabhu ha!