#indiewebcamp 2014-11-15

2014-11-15 UTC
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GWG Does anyone have a link to various presentations of like/favorite by various sites? Other than the facepile style?
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GWG Good evening.
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GWG I see another person installed the Taxonomy plugin. Makes me want to accelerate work on it.
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GWG Hello, friedcell
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GWG Hi, acegiak
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acegiak GWG: morning!
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GWG acegiak: What's new?
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acegiak not getting a lot of return on energy invested into trying to get the word out about amygdala
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Nowaker hey guys. acegiak, what is amygdala?
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GWG Nowaker: You beat me to the question
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GWG What is amygdala?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "amygdala" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=amygdala
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acegiak Nowaker: Amygdala is my company's debut video game. It's an action platformer that uses dynamically generated levels and a range of wildly different enemies to create a challenging living world to explore.
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GWG Oh
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acegiak But with only a three person team it's pretty hard to get word out
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GWG acegiak: If I were more of a gamer, I'd give it a shot. I only retrogame
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acegiak that's fair enough
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Nowaker huh, platformer... reminds me of jazz jackrabbit 2 times, that I played 10 years ago :D
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Nowaker acegiak: just watched the video. nice dynamics.
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acegiak Nowaker: so far the response has been prettyuniversally positive from people that have played it
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acegiak it's just a matter of getting it infront of people
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Nowaker i'll definitely give a plus on greenlight, when im at the desk tomorrow
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Nowaker acegiak: getting exposure is hard, really hard
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aaronpk turns out PR is hard
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Nowaker i've got a problem with getting it for virtkick.io. fortunately, weve been accepted to techstars cloud, so were gonna learn a whole lot from them
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GWG acegiak: Bad time to invite you to Indiewebcamp Online then?
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acegiak GWG: is it now?
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GWG acegiak: I don't know. That's why I asked. I'm trying to work on my charisma.
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acegiak sorry: I meant when is indiewebcamp online?
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GWG Sunday
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GWG I can try to convert. You are GMT+what?
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GWG It would be Monday for you
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GWG About 2:30 in the morning, I think, if I get the conversion right
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acegiak yeah that sounds right
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acegiak I'm usually asleep by that point
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GWG Well, we're going for 11 hours
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GWG About 4.5 hours in, we switch to hack fest
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aaronpk with demos at the end right?
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GWG At about noonish your time
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GWG Excuse me, acegiak's time...misread the handle
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GWG aaronpk: According to the schedule.
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GWG 6PM Pacific for you.
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi woot
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GWG I've already started work.
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GWG I'm submitting pull requests to pfefferle.
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acegiak well I'll be awake from ~ 9am UTC+10.5
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GWG acegiak: Feel free to join in. It should be fun...
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aaronpk yeah! at least join for some hacking and demos!
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GWG Add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online
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acegiak yeah I'm keen
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GWG acegiak: I'll pay 100% of your travel costs to get to the camp
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aaronpk haha
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GWG is studying facepiles
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GWG Sites keep changing their displays
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GWG There is only one solution
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GWG Change mine
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GWG acegiak: Is your brain available for picking?
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acegiak sure
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GWG I'm looking at my Facepile code. It currently takes over the comment template.
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acegiak kk
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GWG That means I've been taking over the theme's way of rendering the comments.
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acegiak yeah
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GWG I'm wondering if I should be taking it over, or just changing it with a filter so it excludes the webmentions and render them in another location.
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acegiak I wouldn't be taking it over because you'll create super weird effects in different themes
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acegiak I'd probably just create a hook that people can insert into their theme
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GWG Disqus and such completely override the default handling
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acegiak ok
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GWG But, either way, there are a variety of overrides to add more to the default. But there will always be some themes that conflict.
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acegiak true that
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GWG That's what I'm having trouble figuring out. How do you write something that will work with more things than not?
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GWG Without the theme developer being involved?
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acegiak be as basic as possible
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acegiak try not to use too much tricky css etc
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GWG Well, WordPress uses either a comment walker class or a callback function to handle comment display.
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GWG If I use the same CSS classes, it should inherit from the theme, even if I change the display parameters
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acegiak yeah I guess that makes sense.
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acegiak really it's not the sort of thing I'd be doing so I'm not sure the best way to do it
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GWG acegiak: I jump back and forth between projects. So each iterates a little bit.
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acegiak yeah fair enough
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GWG This was the first project I did, and it ignored a lot of standards.
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GWG So I'm fixing it
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GWG I'm also adding some things upstream in semantic linkbacks.
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@philipvalentino On the database anti-pattern. http://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern #FEN14 @frontendnorth @philhawksworth (twitter.com/_/status/533582507326050304)
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@LJavault RT @xtof_fr: I #ChooseIndependent with #Firefox (Happy 10th #fx10!) AND my #indieweb site. You should too: .. http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/i-chooseindependent-with-firefox-happy-10th-fx10-and-my-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/533583422728732672)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/this-is-my-tent-at-indiewebcamp-https-indiewebcamp linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dubiousdod.org (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/this-is-my-tent-at-indiewebcamp-https-indiewebcamp linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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thedod \O/
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thedod kylewm, made it run on /indie (based on http://flask.pocoo.org/snippets/35/ example)
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thedod So far only a minor template tweak was needed (will pull request soon).
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thedod Hi again. Need help with twitter oauth
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thedod got redwind. where in twitter do I get my oauth key and stuff?
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@TheRealDod My #IndieWebCamp node is plugged into twitter now (I hope). (twitter.com/_/status/533629088762966016)
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@TheRealDod Kyle Mahan is the author or https://github.com/kylewm/redwind/#readme (my #IndieWebCamp contraption), and cool in general. (twitter.com/_/status/533631941401395201)
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dubiousdod.org edited /User:Dubiousdod.org (+190) (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/my-name-is-d-u-i-o-u-s-ly-and-i-m-an-indiewebcamper linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dubiousdod.org (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/repost-of-user-dubiousdod-org linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dubiousdod.org (webmention)
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kylewm thedod: that's really really cool!
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kylewm the twitter stuff is https://apps.twitter.com/
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kylewm.com created /onboarding (+1319) "Created page with "{{stub}} <dfn>Onboarding</dfn> refers to the first experience a user has when installing, configuring, and first logging into an application. A great onboarding process walks the..."" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /onboarding (+743) "/* IndieAuth Chicken or Egg */" (view diff)
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kylewm I enjoyed hyperlinking [[chicken]] there ^
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bear kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 83 karma
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kylewm :]
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bear the chicken posts *always* makes me giggle
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kylewm hi bear, thank you for the link to circuits btw
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bear cool
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bear it looks like an interesting project
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kylewm From what I can gather, to do push (or long polling) stuff from Flask, it's either gevent+monkeypatch, or run a separate event loop based server
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bear nods
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bear CherryPy (or now Circuits) could probably handle it directly
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kylewm how do you mean "directly"?
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bear not requiring monkeypatching
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bear circuits has a built in event model, cherrypy has a gevent flavour
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kylewm oh right, but my flask app still needs to be separate
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bear I would do that anyway to be honest
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bear the needs of a "normal" web app and that of the push are very different
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kylewm this is all because aaronpk is thinking about doing realtime comments using server-sent events in the same php application
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bear my personal pref is to have the page load via a normal app and then link to a data stream
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kylewm yeah...that makes sense
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kylewm but then... it might as well be node.js ?
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bear that is why circuits looks interesting
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bear it could be the same with it - different coroutines handling the different routes
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bear http://circuits.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api/circuits.web.websockets.dispatcher.html
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bear circuits feels very much like NodeJS
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kylewm does it solve the same problem as Tornado?
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bear yes
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bear the core of tornado is nothing but an event loop implemented on top of normal python with helper methods to manage and use said loop
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bear since it was very web dev focused it caught on
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kylewm cool yeah
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kylewm that is really all i want
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bear you could do the same with Twisted Python, CherryPy+gevents, or asyncio
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bear the only advantage of circuits so far is that it implements modern html5 items - like websocket
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bear so any html5 client code could work with it
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bear be it in php or js or whatever
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kylewm OK
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bear see http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au/Blog/2011-02-27-09.50 for both client web and server python code
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bear that's an old blog - this is his latest stuff - http://shortcircuit.net.au/~prologic/blog/
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kylewm so then you have a traditional thread-based server for most things, and an event based server for sending events, and then nginx proxies them both through port 80?
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bear he hangs out on freenode
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thedod Hi
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thedod stil "on ramping" here. Was wondering: did this cause a mention because I mention bear? https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/simple-example-of-websockets-with-python-circuits
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bear it shouldn't have
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thedod ah
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bear ah - it sent a mention but my server returned 404
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thedod still learning the rope
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bear because it does not link to an article
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thedod maybe there should be a concept like the /about: the author as a "thing"
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bear different people do that in various ways
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bear I have hcard info on my bare domain to make your type of reference possible
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bear but also have a more robust /about
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thedod don't h-card et al have some standartization for it?
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bear yes, that's why your bookmark found my image
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bear but not all items that can be in an hcard are required
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thedod I'm still fumbling in the dark with mf2 (or any other mf)
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thedod my / has an h-card lik to /indie/ - is it "kosher"?
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thedod s/lik/link
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Loqi thedod meant to say: my / has an h-card link to /indie/ - is it "kosher"?
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bear in the beginning I used this site a *lot* - http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/
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bear to see if my templates were generating "good" mf2
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thedod good tip. thanks
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bear and then I got used to reading the json from the python mf2py tool
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bear if your a php person their is also php-mf2
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bear IIRC http://pin13.net/ uses php-mf2
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thedod bear, PHP? God forbid and Buddha strongly advise against. No. I'm a pythonista
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thedod Thanks for that validator. found out how to do a representative card, but the wording there was quite confusing
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bear :)
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thedod they wanted to say the link should have class "h-url", and the *target* url should be a rel="me" on *this* page
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thedod who's "they" BTW?
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thedod maybe someone in this room
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thedod Here's another riddle http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdubiousdod.org%2Findie%2F (the "something went wrong" text)
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thedod "something went wrong" is my middle name, BTW
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dubiousdod.org edited /User:Dubiousdod.org (+32) (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/repost-of-user-dubiousdod-org-1 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dubiousdod.org (webmention)
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thedod Sorry for all these ghost webmentions. kylewm: tried to reshare https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Dubiousdod.org that has a valid h-card http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2FUser%3ADubiousdod.org but I don't see the author's photo.
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kylewm thedod: i'm not sure it makes senes for the "url" property to point to your h-card
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kylewm typically that would be p-author h-card
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thedod kylewm, I guess I have to read a bit more about how this h-card this works
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thedod anyway, it's fun to have redwind as a starting point :)
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kylewm yeah!! I really appreciate your work generalizing it
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kylewm thedod++
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kylewm.com edited /2014/Online (+37) "/* Schedule */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com created /2014/Online/Sessions (+837) "Created page with "We'll schedule the sessions on the day of the camp! See Schedule for an overall outline of the timeslots. Feel free to brainstorm ideas of sessions you'd like to talk about, or y..."" (view diff)
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GWG kylewm: Editing tomorrow?
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snarfed thedod: great to have another pythonista here!
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snarfed bridgy is in python, and a few other indieweb-friendly building blocks - https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial , https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins
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snarfed always nice to have more people who can use them/contribute
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snarfed (mf2py, mf2util, redwind, etc all rock too, obviously)
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KartikPrabhu yo!
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 6 hours ago: sorry. :/ probably twitter's best-effort-only search api struck again. :https://dev.twitter.com/rest/public/search . known issue, not much we can do about it :/ https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/202
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KartikPrabhu hmm :(
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kylewm anyone else thinking of participating for some or all of 2014/Online tomorrow? Don't forget to RSVP here http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online/Guest_List
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thedod kylewm, there's some botch with the avatar I wm_send. see 2 likes at http://bret.io/2014/11/15/giffbooth/
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thedod notice url of broken image
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thedod the one that looks ok, I did by "cheating" in settings and temporarily putting a relative URL, which breaks the h-card :)
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thedod now I'm scratching my head how it happens. wm_sender just sends 2 urls.
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thedod what is it that happens later during the webmention that borks the url?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "it that happens later during the webmention that borks the url" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=it+that+happens+later+during+the+webmention+that+borks+the+url
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thedod loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 319 karma
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thedod probably something that the target pulls. maybe the services. brb
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kylewm thedod: that's a bug in webmention.io on the receiving end. i think aaronpk just needs to update to a newer version of php-mf2
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kylewm I mentioned it on github a while back
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thedod whew. I was diving into code like a cat into a dustbin
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