#indiewebcamp 2014-11-26

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tantek mko - context is, we have a page on the wiki /archive which currently is used to document TWO different things
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tantek thus updating that page is getting awkward :/
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tantek thus I want to create two *separate* pages for the distinct notions of archive
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tantek which requires two names
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tantek best attempt so far (not great) is "online archive" vs. "archive copy"
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mko Oh. Gotcha. Yeah. I'd definitely split those into two things. I also don't consider what aaronpk as an "archive."
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aaronpk I like "archive copy" when referring to archiving content that is not mine because it's implied that the archive is not the canonical source
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mko For example: http://aaronparecki.com/2014/09/10 is a content aggregation.
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aaronpk mko: why aggregation? that's just all my content
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aaronpk it's not like it's coming from different sources
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mko Different types of content.
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tantek mko - in this regard, you are fighting established convention
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tantek e.g. WordPress "archives by month"
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aaronpk they are all "posts"
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tantek "WordPress archives"
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tantek etc.
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tantek all in reference to year/month "content aggregation" as you put it
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mko Okay. /shrug. I would never call it an "archive" since it's not.
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tantek mko - users are calling them archives
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mko Again. I get it. I still think it's wrong.
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mko lol
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tantek mko - I know you're not telling the users they're wrong ;)
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tantek see for example:
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tantek http://codex.wordpress.org/Creating_an_Archive_Index
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tantek http://floatleft.com/notebook/wordpress-year-month-archives/
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tantek www.wpbeginner.com/wp-tutorials/how-to-create-an-archives-page-in-wordpress/
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tantek aaronpk, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/indiearchive is also an archive copy
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mko We're on a bunny trail. Let's get back to the subject at hand. Assuming we keep "Archive" to mean "collection of aggregate data or content" as is in use, why can't we use the term "Archival Backup" for the second use-case?
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aaronpk what's wrong with "archive copy" for the second?
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mko It sounds like a really strange action.
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aaronpk because "copy" is also a verb?
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mko No. So is backup. It's more about the word "Archive" as a modifier.
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mko "Archival Copy" works fine, too.
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk i gotta run. will noodle on this later.
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mko I just think Backup is more accurate.
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mko i.e. http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup
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GWG I have a question about archival backup
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GWG Where do people put theirs?
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bret on all my computers
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mko I keep copies in Dropbox, Google Drive, and local copies on computers/servers.
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fiatjaf GWG: git-annex
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GWG No one uses archival media anymore?
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fiatjaf git-annex supports these
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fiatjaf it helps you keep your archival media, computer archives, floppies, usb drives, cds, dvds, s3, google drive, everything organized
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fiatjaf bret uses it.
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danlyke GWG: What's an archival media? Used to be gold CDs were thought to be good for a century, then they started failing. And we still have the problem of reading the media. Keep your archives live by keeping them on hot storage and migrating them often.
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GWG danlyke: Nowadays...stone
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GWG http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/
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fiatjaf is this real?
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fiatjaf if it is a joke, why are they taking people's money for real?
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mko I think it's actually real.
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mko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC says the "stone" is actually a "glassy carbon"
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mko @ aaronpk tantek: "Archival Storage" might be a good alternative to "Archival Backup" or "Archive Copy"
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GWG It is real. But the Amazon reviews are worrisome
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GWG 33% failure rate
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mko I saw some reviews that looked pretty good, actually.
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mko Either way, it's not a technology that I would recommend investing it.
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@pwcc It can't stressed enough how friendly & helpful the #indieweb movement is. It's such a pleasant contrast to the gamergate crazy. (twitter.com/_/status/537414089103114241)
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@_dnch @pwcc what is this #indieweb of which you speak, sir (twitter.com/_/status/537414232271101953)
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@I0I00II0I0 Probably the lack of "anti-#indieweb" calling y'all a bunch of woman hating harassers, drags down the property values. @pwcc #GamerGate (twitter.com/_/status/537416007204487168)
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@pwcc @_dnch It's about controlling one's content & using silos to syndicate. prevents content lose when sites shutdown. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/537416432338755584)
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kylewm acccctually it's about...
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kylewm (just kidding)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/pwcc/537416432338755584/179902311 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@I0I00II0I0 Good luck with your #indieweb thing. Sorry it doesn't take safety/privacy seriously ♥ @pwcc (twitter.com/_/status/537420295997767682)
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tantek checks logs
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mko What is safety?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "safety" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=safety
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/hiddenid-den-now-has-pfefferle-s-wordpress-webmention linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (webmention)
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tantek mko "Archive Storage" is once again too ambiguous
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mko tantek: Yeah. Probably right. :-\ Naming things is hard.
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tantek to me that reads like "how do you store your archive navigation"
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tantek hence I deliberately suggested "copy" to imply *not* original, and likely not by the author either
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tantek also why "copy" rather than "backup" - backup implies owner/user is originator of the data
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mko I'm fine with "Copy" instead of "Backup" or "Storage" but it really should be "Archival" not "Archive" since the usage is meant as an adjective describing "copy"
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tantek what's happening on the Twitters? how did "indieweb" get mentioned same time as "gamergate"? anyone look into whether it was accidental / coincidental or deliberate trolling?
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tantek "archival copy" sounds better
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tantek also "archival" implies the verb "archiving"
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@TheRealDod #HiddenID Den now has @pfefferle’s wordpress-webmention installed. #IndieWebCamp https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/hiddenid-den-now-has-pfefferle-s-wordpress-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/537423269998383105)
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mko It was a GGer responding to @pwcc's tweet about how "friendly and helpful" the IndieWeb community is
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tantek which helps distinguish it
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tantek mko this looks like a real human though: https://twitter.com/pwcc/status/537414089103114241
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@pwcc It can't stressed enough how friendly & helpful the #indieweb movement is. It's such a pleasant contrast to the gamergate crazy. (twitter.com/_/status/537414089103114241)
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mko Okay. Then we're settled: "Archival Copy" it is!
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tantek mko - that's a significant improvement too
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tantek I think I see what happened re: that tweet
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tantek the author pwcc just *mentioned* gg (not even with a hashtag), and then the anon-sock-puppets showed up
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sparverius tantek: tehy're bots
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tantek looks like it
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sparverius you can summon them with the power word "gamergate"
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tantek right
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tantek perhaps gg is just a modern turingtest
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tantek how quickly can you tell the sockpuppet bots apart from real humans
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sparverius if i wasnt crunching here id have modified one of my twitter bots :/
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sparverius code i havent touched in over 2 years + perl = might as well rewrite it though
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tantek keeps reading logs
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tantek agreed danlyke: " Keep your archives live by keeping them on hot storage and migrating them often."
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tantek and caught up
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GWG tantek: I do that, but I also keep a physical copy of the most important stuff on media somewhere. Usually my safe deposit box.
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tantek GWG - I keep some physical copies too, but I've been more and more convinced that maintaining physical copies (i.e. knowing when they might go bad and make another copy) is too much of a pain.
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GWG The old adage is at least 2 backups
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tantek GWG why stop at 2? LOCKSS
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GWG LOCKSS?
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tantek go ahead, ask
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GWG What is LOCKSS?
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Loqi LOCKSS is an acronym for Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe, a mnemonic for the technique of keeping and encouraging many copies of things as a way of improving their longevity http://indiewebcamp.com/LOCKSS
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GWG tantek: I do actually. At least two refers to 2 things.
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GWG 1. Moving your stuff from primary to secondary storage is not backing up, as you still only have one copy.
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GWG 2. All of your copies should not be in the same location as your primary location
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GWG For example, my dentist has his new digital records backup next to the computer it is backing up
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GWG So, one office problem, no records for anyone
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tantek.com edited /archive (+199) "archive means personal site / blog archive. the copies of stuff is now "archival copy"" (view diff)
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tantek what is an archive?
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time http://indiewebcamp.com/archive
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pdurbin good old LOCKSS
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@TheRealDod Let’s try a simple Turing test: humans, please ignore this tweet #GamerGate http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-25/line/1416966956098 (twitter.com/_/status/537431721441259520)
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Loqi [mention] https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/11/let-s-try-a-simple-turing-test-humans-please-ignore linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-25/line/1416966956098 (webmention)
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tantek oh dear
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KartikPrabhu oh boy
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KartikPrabhu that wasn't a wise move
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tantek I suppose we'll see the faves/reposts/replies show up here as Bridgy webmentions to indiewebcamp.com
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tantek what is the internet archive
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Loqi The Internet Archive is a non-profit organization that is building a digital library http://indiewebcamp.com/Internet_Archive
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tantek.com edited /Internet_Archive (+94) "archival copy" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /archival_copy (+369) "stub with dfn, services from /archive prev version, see also" (view diff)
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tantek what is an archival copy
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Loqi An archival copy is a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time, that can be used as a reference if the original disappears or is temporarily unavailable http://indiewebcamp.com/archival_copy
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tantek that'll do for now
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tantek.com edited /archival_copy (+449) "note why this is here vs. archive, cite WordPress, MT, Blogger use of the term "archive"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieArchive (+53) "link to archival copy instead, since this page is a specific instance of" (view diff)
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@pwcc @t re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-25/line/1416966624411 - sorry mate, should have seen it coming but didn't :/ (twitter.com/_/status/537439107060736001)
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@almereyda Why emails are widely mis-understood. #wwww https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3k0m1/e1cw?k=bc247c47e55f04ee9583771c4dd966d5 https://hypothes.is/a/9Ad6lEA_TVazGkX1Ra19iA https://pywb-hypothesis.herokuapp.com/h/http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in https://twitter.com/almereyda/status/537439270630612992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/537439270630612992)
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tantek whoa
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tantek what is diigo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "diigo" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=diigo
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tantek Is a "clip" a post type? is it just a quotation? https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3k0m1/e1cw?k=bc247c47e55f04ee9583771c4dd966d5
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tantek oh it's a screenshot. sad.
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tantek https://www.diigo.com/item/image/3k0m1/e1cw?size=o&k=bc247c47e55f04ee9583771c4dd966d5
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tantek https://s3.amazonaws.com/diigo/5966095_239831645_16004943?AWSAccessKeyId=0R7FMW7AXRVCYMAPTPR2&Expires=1416970888&Signature=HkQ%2FOIKnek1rUpqzB7CWWFnOvmY%3D
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rascul i don't understand what's going on
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rascul i clicked one of them links and it took me to an indiewebcamp wiki page with weirdness at the top
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tantek rascul - I think someone is trying to POSSE to Twitter with an embedded image as the quotation: https://twitter.com/almereyda/status/537439270630612992
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@almereyda Why emails are widely mis-understood. #wwww https://diigo.com/073gnq https://hypothes.is/a/9Ad6lEA_TVazGkX1Ra19iA https://pywb-hypothesis.herokuapp.com/h/http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in https://twitter.com/almereyda/status/537439270630612992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/537439270630612992)
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rascul oh, an annotation, now i get it
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tantek (look at the original on Twitter)
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tantek sure, "an annotation", what we'd simply call "a comment" :P
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@almereyda Can I consider #wwww a proper acronym for Weave the Web We Want @bblfish? #IndieWebCamp #w3c https://www.youtube.com/ https://github.com/read-write-web/wiki/wiki/Weave-the-web-we-want (twitter.com/_/status/537440768852783106)
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rascul https://pywb-hypothesis.herokuapp.com/h/http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in
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tantek I don't understand what that is doing
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rascul on the right side next to the scrollbar, there's a comment box
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rascul underneath it is a 1
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rascul click the 1
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tantek oh I have NoScript on so they're getting blocked
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rascul hrm
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rascul somehow before i clicked it and a sidebar thing came out from the right side and had a comment
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tantek 29 scripts. sheesh
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rascul it was a comment i hadn't seen on twitter
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tantek I don't understand why you would put comments / marginalia on a JS-only side-silo instead of posting them to your own site.
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tantek I'm just going to copy it here to save everyone else the trouble:
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rascul http://tmp.rascul.io/hypothesis.png
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tantek re: http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in#But_emails_are_widely_understood "You cannot imagine how much I regularly suffer due to being part of this "very small minority of nerds". Unfortunately the will not to learn about these different ways is very strong."
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tantek author: https://hypothes.is/u/acct:almereyda@hypothes.is
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rascul this thing is really weird, i don't think i like it
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tantek the slide-out thing is annoying too - it covers the original so you can't see the comment in context
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tantek which is the whole point of marginalia - being able to see the note and the original next to each other in context
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tantek where's tilgovi? we should ask him what is going on with this clunky UI.
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rascul i had to stare at it for a few minutes before i figured out why i couldn't just look at the original wiki page like i always do
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tantek and the saddest thing is that his comment "You cannot imagin…" didn't make it through to his Twitter copy: https://twitter.com/almereyda/status/537439270630612992
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@almereyda Why emails are widely mis-understood. #wwww https://diigo.com/073gnq https://hypothes.is/a/9Ad6lEA_TVazGkX1Ra19iA https://pywb-hypothesis.herokuapp.com/h/http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in https://twitter.com/almereyda/status/537439270630612992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/537439270630612992)
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tantek rascul - yeah, any such site-wrappers are confusing
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rascul seems to me like there's better ways of commenting on that
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tantek yes, like using your own site, or tweeting directly
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rascul i've read the comment four times now and don't remember it because the entire method is weird and makes little sense to me
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tantek right, the UI gets in the way of understanding the content
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rascul although, that could also be because of the beer
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@almereyda I have to federate these wikis http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in#But_emails_are_widely_understood & http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-better-than-email via http://project.thoughtstorms.info / https://github.com/almereyda/ThoughtStorms #fedwiki (twitter.com/_/status/537442968782000128)
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tantek ok that made even less sense
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tantek he doesn't need to federate anything - he needs to start posting on his own site instead of Twitter
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rascul agrees
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KartikPrabhu tantek: that seems to be hypothes.is at work. as far I understand it is a "marginalia" hosting silo with browser plugins and all that
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tantek but it is such a mess
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tantek why would you tweet only the context of your marginalia and not the marginalia itself?!?
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tantek that makes ZERO sense
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KartikPrabhu the UI is neat though. The sidebar mimics the position of the comment in the page, so the "1" scrolls with page scroll and is clickable to view
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KartikPrabhu and has some weird quirks. if the "annotated" text is outside the viewport, clicking on the [1] scrolls you there, but then clicking it again does not reveal the comment unless you scroll a little bit up/down as for why do it on a silo: because it is easier to have someone write and host for you and apparently "annotations" are hard and complicated ;)
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KartikPrabhu in the context of POSSE it is oddly weird
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tantek I really dislike how the original is covered up by the marginalia
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tantek totally dumb way to do it on desktop
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tantek I think what we figured out at IWC NYC is the way to do it
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tantek zero overlap, sidebar on desktop, inline on mobile
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KartikPrabhu well I have to agree don't I ? :P
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tantek Both Hypothesis and Medium presentation of marginalias are inferior
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tantek on desktop and mobile
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KartikPrabhu I think it is a side-effect of "we have to do it in JS" and "desktop first" thinking
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KartikPrabhu none of these progressively enhance anyway
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KartikPrabhu no JS means no comments
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tantek yeah - the JS-first trendy fashion of bad web dev
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KartikPrabhu yup.
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KartikPrabhu it seems that there is a general idea that annotations are hard
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tantek they are hard
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tantek it took a while for someone (you) to come up with an answer, and it helped that you had fragmentions as a building block
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@CanadianAngela RT @t: @dweinberger: “APIs are magic” @t: Especially at disappearing acts: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths magic-hat-tip: @KevinMarks (ttk.me t4ZF1) (twitter.com/_/status/537447682541748224)
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KartikPrabhu but not hard enough to warrant all the other complicated stuff people ( including the w3c annotations group )
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KartikPrabhu correction: are hard enough without adding other complicated stuff
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KartikPrabhu A is hard so lets add B and C which are harder
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the problem is one of perceived difficulty and thus assumption that more complexity isn't that bad
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KartikPrabhu yup exactly
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tantek by a bunch of people who don't actually build things themselves
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tantek this is why I have stopped really respecting opinions of anyone that is proposing stuff like this and not actually actively building on their own site
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tantek they just make up stuff more complex than necessary
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KartikPrabhu I like the marginalia approach (obviously), hoping for more diverse UI implementations
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KartikPrabhu joskar's is pretty neat too
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tantek yes
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@chatbotix Let’s try a simple Turing test: humans, please ignore this tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-25/line/1416966956098 (twitter.com/_/status/537447299350528001)
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KartikPrabhu oh boy!
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tantek hah!
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tantek but they stripped the hashtag - interesting
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KartikPrabhu are we to ready for another shitstorm!?
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tantek alright back to more productive things
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/535882926601560064/537447682541748224 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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tantek what is a reply tag?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reply tag" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=reply+tag
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tantek what is a tag reply?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tag reply" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=tag+reply
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tantek hmm
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tantek.com created /reply_tag (+23) "r" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu hmm must start using homepage webmentions for notifications
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tantek.com created /tag-reply (+160) "stub with dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+632) "why and how" (view diff)
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fiatjaf what is the consensus about replacing email? private webmentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "consensus about replacing email? private webmentions" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=consensus+about+replacing+email%3F+private+webmentions
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tantek what is private email?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "private email" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=private+email
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tantek what is private messaging?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author http://indiewebcamp.com/private_messaging
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KartikPrabhu fiatjaf: hasn't that already happened with twitter and facebook?
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tantek what is messaging?
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Loqi messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, etc.) http://indiewebcamp.com/messaging
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tantek ok that's a decent start on http://indiewebcamp.com/tag-reply - please review folks!
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek won't that tag the comment under the original post? or are webmention receivers supposed to handle that external tag in some way?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@bblfish RT @almereyda: Can I consider #wwww a proper acronym for Weave the Web We Want @bblfish? #IndieWebCamp #w3c https://www.youtube.com/ https:/… (twitter.com/_/status/537486530198372352)
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@kevinmarks @semil you might like http://indiewebcamp.com/freemyoauth (twitter.com/_/status/537492160820834304)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/537492160820834304/15227849 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/freemyoauth (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/537492160820834304/537493537676619776 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/freemyoauth (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/537492160820834304/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/freemyoauth (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/TheRealDod/537431721441259520/346574017 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-25/line/1416966956098 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/537492160820834304/6566712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/freemyoauth (webmention)
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@IndieHosters A great project we support: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitalino/bitalino-revolution because health data is really important also! #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/537603023057747968)
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@pierreozoux RT @IndieHosters: A great project we support: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitalino/bitalino-revolution because health data is really important also! #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/537603060768722944)
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@BVLG leuke verzameling van weetjes over Ello http://indiewebcamp.com/Ello (twitter.com/_/status/537606130885988352)
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@stefan4m did you guys try the https://withknown.com/ #IndieWeb @bradleygirl @DavideAntoine @bartonkyle @danpaley23 @pswatson @holdingtotruth (twitter.com/_/status/537619755633754112)
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@BITalinoWorld RT @IndieHosters: A great project we support: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitalino/bitalino-revolution because health data is really important also! #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/537620464143962112)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 11 hours, 51 minutes ago: won't that tag the comment under the original post? or are webmention receivers supposed to handle that external tag in some way?
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu webmention receivers are supposed to handle u-tag-of just as they handle u-like-of u-repost-of.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu yo
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 31 minutes ago: webmention receivers are supposed to handle u-tag-of just as they handle u-like-of u-repost-of.
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ben_thatmustbeme yo
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ben_thatmustbeme right back at you
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danlyke Argh. Facebook appears to have broken Fbcmd, which killed off my posting tool. I could figure out my own Web-ish interface to do this crap again, or I could try to just let Known handle it. Anyone save me some time and point me to some simple "how to post to a Known install" code?
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snarfed danlyke: ugh, annoying. you're also welcome to try bridgy publish if you want :P
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/about#publish
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GWG Slow
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KevinMarks http://www.inc.com/drew-hendricks/why-killing-the-password-is-the-next-billion-dollar-industry.html yay, indieauth is worth a billion
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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aaronpk hooray!
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gRegor` Afternoon, #indiewebcamp
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fiatjaf what is TOTP?
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Loqi TOTP is a mechanism of generating a one-time password from a shared secret key and the current time, often used for two-factor auth http://indiewebcamp.com/TOTP
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fiatjaf what is PGP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PGP" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=PGP
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GWG What is IMAP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IMAP" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IMAP
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fiatjaf is there a PGP indieauth strategy?
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fiatjaf http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#What_if_I_have_more_than_one_domain
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fiatjaf what is omniauth?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "omniauth" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=omniauth
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fiatjaf omniauth is a ruby-only thing?
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GWG Hi, fiatjaf
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fiatjaf hi, GWG
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GWG How is webvatar going?
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fiatjaf waiting for users
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fiatjaf (me included)
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GWG What do you plan to do with it?
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fiatjaf I don't know
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fiatjaf I was thinking about using it in my http://indiewebcamp.com/scrapboard
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fiatjaf but now I'm thinking about a implementing properly indieweb postings, webmention and syndication in my site (and actually getting another domain)
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fiatjaf (my site is totally static and I don't wanna change that, and I'm didn't quite like webmention.herokuapp.com)
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gRegor` fiatjaf: That 'what is' earlier is misleading. There is a PGP page http://indiewebcamp.com/pgp
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gRegor` Limitation of MySQL fulltext search
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gRegor` What is OpenPGP?
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Loqi OpenPGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a message exchange format that uses public key cryptography to enable people to exchange encrypted and/or signed data http://indiewebcamp.com/OpenPGP
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tantek bridgypublish++
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Loqi bridgypublish has 1 karma
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tantek (delayed reaction to 10:38)
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GWG Good evening, tantek
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tantek good afternoon GWG
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GWG I need to move my site.
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GWG I get the feeling I'll be spending some time worried about my plumbing.
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tantek is there a problem with your webhost?
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GWG tantek: No, a problem with my 'guests'.
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tantek is this a physical move?
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GWG tantek: No. I need to spin up a new instance at my hosting provider and build a new server from scratch.
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GWG tantek: It's just a pain
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tantek thinks it's funny we "spin up" things without wheels.
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finchd tantek: well you "spin up" hard drives, dynamos/engines/generators don't have wheels exactly. Not saying the use in virtual machines isn't wierd
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tantek checks to see if HWC PDX next week has a FB posse copy yet
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@rashford RT @wiobyrne: A domain of #withknown - My thoughts about #indieweb and a domain of one's own as I... http://wiobyrne.com/a-domain-of-withknown/ http://t.co/Dfb… (twitter.com/_/status/537755367619309568)
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you create a stub FB POSSE event copy of
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tantek https://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/12/03/1/homebrew-website-club and rel-syndication link to it from your original? If you make me a co-organizer of it I can take care of adding details/fields etc. Thanks! -t
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek oop
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you create a stub FB POSSE event copy of https://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/12/03/1/homebrew-website-club and rel-syndication link to it from your original? If you make me a co-organizer of it I can take care of adding details/fields etc. Thanks! -t
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG tantek: Would you prefer deploy?
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GWG finchd: My provider uses SSDs. No spinning
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tantek deploy is good for putting a software update on a server
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GWG tantek: So what for getting a new VPS?
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tantek depends if you're moving / transferring, or merely adding to existing capacity (allocating?)